Was Haibane Renmei a perfect show?

Yep. Still the best message of a show, ever

I liked it but sometimes the animation is really terrible

did he even have any role in that production other than illustrating?

Script for 3 episodes.

like all yoshitoshi abe anime, yes

NieA_7 isn't for everyone but it's very good for what it is.

it's the only good ABe anime

It's my all time favorite. It's a shame shows like these are pretty rare.

most of what the fuck is going on / weird shit is never explained. If you want a wholesome ending where all the weird and evil shit is completely ignored, Haibane Renmei is for you.

Perfectly mediocre, sure.

Not everything needs to be said or concluded, that's how life is, you have to learn to accept that. It fits the themes of Haibane Renmei perfectly.

It probably flew right over his head. Everything essential to the plot was concluded well enough, and the unexplained mysteries actually elevate the whole show, not the other way around.
I guess it's not something for your average shonenfag, because it requires them to think.

There's no need to be rude user, I'm just saying it's not for everyone.
Some anime is easier to I understand than others. I understood shows like Haibane Renmei and NieA_7 pretty intuitively, but I didn't quite understand shows like Alien 9 in that way. Everything is only as we're able to interpret it. It's not necessarily a matter of genre, it's a matter of personal experiences and outlook on life.

Looks like I misunderstood your post then, I'm sorry. I tend to get pretty agitated when people say something like "the show doesn't make any sense, nothing is explained, but there are cute girls so it's 6/10". But looking again at what you wrote with the explanation you provided in mind, it certainly doesn't seem to be the case. I was saying pretty much the same thing after all - it's not for everyone.

>Not everything needs to be said or concluded
why are the dudes who travel beyond the wall never explained?
why are the humans living in the walled town with the angelic creatures never allowed to leave either?
Why when Rakka was sent to be punished for touching the wall (something that Reki was very brutally punished for according to the narrative) the dude is like "lol I want you to clean these things on the wall"
Look I get the whole story with Reki and how she finally realizes what she has too and is freed, but many of the other undertones of the sinister nature of the walled town is never explained and I when I finished watching it, I was like "so all those weird creepy shots of the dudes and creepy music was all for nothing then"?
I just felt disappointed.

Understandable. I've never been fan of trying to discuss what a show was really about. Unless the author explicitly states what it's about, all we have are our own interpretations. Which brings up an important point, any show can be equally deep to someone watching it. For example, I understand HR and NieA_7 pretty well, but I also understand Naruto about the same, and I feel similarly about both series. I think it's a shame that there's such a gap between normal shows and "intellectual" shows because at the end of the day, what matters is how you interpret it and what it means to you.

Sometimes I think about it like this: the main character never understood all those things or unraveled every mystery, so it makes sense that the watcher, watching through the MC's eyes, doesn't either. In life we don't often fully uncover every mystery around us. We search out what we need to and understand a bit about how the world works, but it's impossible for us to understand it all. I'm not a big fan of open endings either, but sometimes they're alright to leave us wondering about the world.

Yes, only retards prefer Lain.
Texhnolyze is amazing too.

I just preferred texhnolyze more. It does drag on, but from very early on, you know they are all doomed, and all their internal conflicts and struggles mean nothing because everything will end. its the most depressing shit I've ever seen

Good show for sleeping.

The mysteries go unexplained because they aren't there to be answered. I was going to make a larger post but summed it up pretty well. The story is about Rakka and Reki, not the town, so we don't need to know what they don't. Besides, it's fun to speculate about the answers to those questions.

ABe did not do anything beyond illustration for those two

It helps to see the setting as an allegory for how people use religion (and secular systems of meaning) to give their lives a sense of purpose and reconcile themselves with things beyond their understanding.

>why are the dudes who travel beyond the wall never explained?
Because "beyond the wall" is a metaphor for everything that escapes human understanding. The travelers might represent mystics or visionaries.

>why are the humans living in the walled town with the angelic creatures never allowed to leave either?
Because humans live interdependently, surrounded and protected by "walls" that mark the boundaries of our community: rules, social contracts, and the limits of our collective knowledge. From our perspective, there is nothing outside the walls. "Leaving the town" would represent gazing too deeply into the abyss.

>Why when Rakka was sent to be punished for touching the wall (something that Reki was very brutally punished for according to the narrative) the dude is like "lol I want you to clean these things on the wall"
It's not really meant to be a punishment. The communicator gives everyone a task that he thinks will help them grow spiritually. Reki apparently needed to be disciplined at the time. Rakka needed to gain a glimpse of what happens after death, to help her come to terms with Kuu's departure and her own self-imposed guilt over the realization that she made her loved ones suffer by dying. Hearing Kuu's voice and participating in the ritual of collecting the halo dust for future haibane gave her just enough to fill in the blanks.

>the sinister nature of the walled town is never explained
The town itself seemed very peaceful and wholesome to me. It's only the backdrop that is sinister — the existential horror of realizing how small we are, and that we will never know what happens to us after we die. The town's insularity is meant to protect its inhabitants from that feeling.

And like the other anons said, it's fun to speculate about the answers. One of the show's main messages is that we all need to come with our own explanations, because no Grand Unified Theory of Everything could ever provide what every single person needs.

That's true but for whatever reason the western world decided to link them all to ABe. It's a bit unfair that Ueda doesn't get the same recognition but that's just how it is.

Do you guys have any favorites from the OST? Mine is Wondering, I think it's beautiful.

>was Haibane Renmei a perfect show?
No, but is was pretty good.

Wondering and Ethereal Remains are both great, I loved the scenes inside the wall, I can't really describe how they made me feel but it was like some sort of spiritual stirring in my chest. It's hard to pick a standout track though, every single track on the OST is beautiful.

It's a wonderful OST. Great for listening while reading manga of a similar atmosphere. Went well with Witch Hat Atelier and Gisele Alain.

I guess I aree to a certain degree, it's said that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder after all, but I can't help but think art can't be purely subjective. There has to be something more to it and I can think of many aspects that would take too long to describe in a single post.
If watching a generic, commercial story about friendship and cool battles evokes the same kind of emotions in certain people as Haibane Renmei does to others, if it inspires them in the same way, provokes the same kind of thoughts. I still wouldn't say they are necessarily equal, I'd rather think there is something wrong with the first group. But maybe that's just me and my obtuse worldview.

I think a good metric is how well a story holds up as you grow up. I rewatched Haibane a few weeks ago, and I got as much out of it as I did when it first aired. Maybe more. I can't say the same about Naruto.

abe needs to do character designs for a movie so they actually get fully realised

I think it's a deep rabbit hole to go down with objective vs subjective meaning. For the context of a work of art, it may be useful to consider the author's intended meaning as the work's objective meaning, and our interpretation of it the subjective meaning.
Trying to understand the objective meaning can have varying degrees of difficulty, but ultimately we don't know what it means for sure unless the creator tells us. Personally I've never often cares what the creator meant, but rather what it meant to me, because that's what's enjoyable about it: the emotions it evokes in me, or the lessons it teaches, for example.

For example, I don't know what the message of Lain was meant to be, but the main thing I got out of it was the juxtaposition of your online self and your IRL self, something I can relate to.

At the end of the day, I understand what you're getting at with some shows being superior to others because their objective meanings are deeper. I think that entertainment is, obviously, meant to be entertaining. If you can't convey those meanings properly, it's pointless. So Angel's Egg may have had much deeper thought put into it than Naruto but it was lost on most people, whereas Naruto's themes and meanings are much better conveyed, and that's what's important: making the watcher feel something.

>why did thing happen
>you don't need to know, 2deep4u
gee you sure make HR fans look retarded

Well, I must admit that's definitely a very rational position to take, and an interesting read.

Rakka is love

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Thanks for reading.

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read the other anons' posts again.
It was more like
>why did things happen
>you were analyzing thing in term of plot, instead of narrative standpoint

what's wrong with her ear? And why is she missing her left arm?

Perfection doesn't exist.
It was still an excellent show.

Hi Mayuri.

you can see a litte line below her left sleeve. Her left ear and arm are simply not visible from that perspective

so you can't answer the question in a way that is provable, right?
there's a difference between symbolism and worldbuilding so vague that it allows any crack theory to explain it

She's such a sweet girl

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Why must there be an answer?

The central plot is clear as day. What's so bad about having some unexplained mysteries when the answer to them is not integral to the story?

Made for headpats and feather ruffling

Getting HPAI with Rakka!

>provable
That's really not how fiction or interpretation work.

Like said, the main plot is pretty straightforward. The setting is meant to make you ask the same existential questions the characters are grappling with. Why would you expect a story to give you a definitive answer to those questions when no one has managed to do that in real life?

>write a show
>wait, this looks like horse shit
>cut 70% of exposition
>thought provoking masterpiece

I kinda wanted to see more aout the Haibanes of the Abandoned factory

Except the show isn't horseshit, it makes a lot of sense. Pretty much the only mysteries are related to the world itself, but I'd be just repeating myself. Are you being dumb on purpose?

>Are you being dumb on purpose?
Check the URL.

He's clearly trolling at this point.

That could have made for an interesting arc if the anime was double cour. With 13 episodes, I think it would have distracted from Rakka and Reki's character development too much.

>Pretty much the only mysteries are related to the world itself
just to check, have you actually watched the show? we know jack shit about the masked dudes, the wall, the citizens etc.
if you think not knowing anything about these by the end of the show is normal then holy shit you've got some low standards

>With 13 episodes, I think it would have distracted from Rakka and Reki's character development too much.
Yeah I agree

I think we all did. They were so different from the Old Home girls, the contrast was intriguing.

Why would you even bother responding to someone who types like that, it's just a giant waste of your time.

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It's not normal, which is why we appreciate it so much. Believe it or not but some people enjoy pondering the mysteries of fantasy worlds and sharing ideas. If you want a magical world full of explanations there's a ton of other shows you can watch instead.

It's a bit of a guilty pleasure, at least we are bumping the thread in the meantime. I don't think there is really a point, but it's interesting to look into the mind of somebody who thinks completely opposite to me.

Everything you've listed is a part of the world, the ambience. None of these things are important to the central message.
As for the low standards, I actually think it's for the better they are left unexplained, not for the worse. I guess you'd like ABe himself showing up after the final credits to tell you there is Disneyland beyond the walls, but it's for the cult members only, no Haibanes allowed. Now that would truly elevate the show.

sharing and pondering ideas aka no one is wrong, everybody is right
yeah that sure must be appealing to brainlets who would get assblasted if you pointed out a flaw in their theory
this way you don't have to worry about it because nothing outside the haibanes matters and has been introduced to pad out the episode count

Who in their right mind would tackle a riddle with no answer? It's just pointless masturbation at this point and you gain nothing from it. I guess it's okay if ABe leaves half the plot unresolved, right?

user, I'm sorry, but the only brainlet here is you. It's not a riddle, it was never meant to be one, it's more like a painting or a poem. I don't see how you can fail to understand such a simple fact.

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>it's more like a painting or a poem
That's a really nice way to put it.

Writing were everything is spelled out by the author can also brainlet tier writing. Because then it could only spawn discussion for the brainlets who did not understand the author's intent, and fanbase wars for crossboarders.

But the ending was sad and unsatisfactory

your non-argument boils down to "you don't get it, you CAN'T get it" but in reality it's just poor writing
just about everything in Lain can and has been explained after some research despite the nature of the show that leaves it with a lot of blank spaces that would stump any viewer who isn't familiar with the lore
compared to Lain, Haibane Renmei is like random scribbles on a canvas
if you unironically think that someone is stupid for trying to make sense of it then you are stupid squared for praising it when it's just nonsense made to stroke pseuds' egos

Just like life.

>Writing were everything is spelled out by the author can also brainlet tier writing
What the fuck am I reading?

>Writing where everything is spelled out by the author can also be brainlet-tier writing
FTFY

How was it unsatisfactory? Reki overcame her self-loathing thanks to Rakka, and Rakka grew enough as a person to get the opportunity to help others that she probably never had in her previous life.

I loved ABe's style. Sadly he lost his interest in Anime/Manga years ago, there's just a few artists who are able to put so much emotions in a single picture.

I'd give a lot to see another anime from him.

Despera is supposedly still in the works, and he's still working on Ryuushika.

I thought Ryoshka ended?

Nice speech, but it seems that people have connected the dots, and you haven't.

He's actually making a doujin right now, he's been posting regular updates on his Pixiv Fanbox/Patreon. He's obviously still interested in the stuff too going by this piece of art he did for Dororo.

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Oh snap, it did. Time to catch up, I guess.

Last handful of chapters aren't in English. I don't think the Spanish ones are, either.

FLCL is a sole example of perfect anime. Haibane Renmei is among exceptional and incomparable ones.

>option A: pass over in a beam of light
>option B: fail, grow old and die isolated
How is this satisfactory to you?

that's why they say that there's nothing to connect, right
do you believe the things you type?

There is so much irony in this post it's painful. I bet everyone here can point out who's the actual pseud stroking his ego here. Is it the people who calmly discuss their favorite show, or a random retard who barges in only to call everyone stupid but them?
You are looking at an art form, not formal mathemathical theorem. People can find their personal, subjective meaning in art, that's the beauty of it. If you fail to grasp this concept, it looks like you lack empathy and imagination. If you don't see how futile it is to interpret art with 100% certainity, you might also lack quite a lot of brain cells.

>watch series to evade
>suffer like in real life
Why?

ironic coming from you when all art is mathematics
HR threads are populated by art school dropouts, who could have thought?

She achieved inner peace and was finally allowed to ascend, or whatever you believe happens, after years of torment and self-loathing. If that's not satisfactory I don't know what is.

You die anyway, don’t be a fag. I bet you were the one who was cheering Ichise to stay in the Theonormal city fucking the depressed doc because that’s “life!”.

Well, I have a degree in computer science, so it doesn't really apply to me. I disagree.

>option A: pass over in a beam of light
In the worst case scenario, she dies. In the best case scenario, she reincarnates and gets another shot at life, without the self-loathing. Both are more satisfactory than option B.

I don't watch anime to evade real life, I watch it to experience life.
Can't have good times without the bad, so depressing shows are necessary for me to feel the full range of human emotions.

>HR threads are populated by art school dropouts, who could have thought?
Chemical engineer here, you're being a dummy.

You do realise there's a ton of hints for all the mysteries, right? It's not just ABe going "oh, monks are cool. Let's stick some in and call it a day." Just because it's not spelled out for you it doesn't mean they're not there. Watch the show again and pay attention (or don't, either way I'm done with you)

Please stop feeding the troll.

>your non-argument boils down to "you don't get it, you CAN'T get it"
and your non-argument is basically "it's bad writing because I said so"

Is not about not knowing is about that it doesn’t matter to know about it. But if you want to be spoonfeed so badly then read Murakami’s Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World, that’s the book AbE used as inspiration, wont give you all the answers because is not even an adaptation but you can get more blatant and literal information there.

no it's "if you don't know whether your theory is true or not, it's not worth pondering"
I've seen all sorts of theories in haibane threads but none of them can be refuted or confirmed so all you do is make a neat subhuman centipede out of anons until bump limit
truly this is what Yea Forums was made for

Hard-boiled Wonderland was just the inspiration for the walled town and the general idea of it being some kind of purgatory. Everything else is original. The novel and the anime tackle competely different themes.

I might just do that. I thought I could learn something interesting from him, but it's about as satisfactory as talking to a wall. I will post something on topic in order to not further derail the thread. Here's one of my favorite OST pieces from HR.
youtube.com/watch?v=flcCIOMvCtQ

>replying to yourself
top kek
truly the top minds of Yea Forums

>if you don't know whether your theory is true or not, it's not worth pondering
oh wow, thats even more retarded

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do you know the difference between haibane threads and shipping wars on Yea Forums? the latter has a resolution
all you do is circlejerk and get offended when someone calls you out for essentially regurtitating a 18 y/o show that would be just above 8/10 had the author actually done it right instead of putting SoL shit over exposition

>using yotsuba b over tomorrow
>implying editing software doesn't exist
1/10 for making me reply

All me by the way.

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(You)
I'd hug me. (No solipsism)

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>the latter has a resolution
What circlejerking? Just because most people agree that its a good show doesn't make it circlejerking. People are offended because you act like a faggot ignoring counterarguments and whine that they didn't explain everything to you even though it's clearly not needed and makes little difference to anyone who is not autistic

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Seriously, stop feeding.

Certainly one of my favorites. I'm a fan of slow fantasy/sci-fi slice of life-ish anime and manga and HR hit all the right things for me. Could have probably benefited from another episode or two but the way it wrapped up was satisfying for me. It's one of the blurriest early 00s shows I've watched though. Not sure what the production was like that caused that.

>explain this and that
>watch the show and you will get it
>I have, explain it
>you can't explain it, that's what makes it good
>and even if you could, it wouldn't matter
>and even if it does matter, the author has chosen not to do it
>why? who knows, it's his right and not for us mortals
>pterodactyl_noises.png
I am convinced

Proving identities on an anonymous image boards is simply a magical experience. Now it's your turn to prove to us you aren't 14yo high schooler with a rare combination of double digit IQ and superiority complex. It's too bad you can't, I sure do love ad hominem.

Yes solipism

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>I'm a fan of slow fantasy/sci-fi slice of life-ish anime and manga
My fellow african american. I like this kind of setting as well. And whoever recommended me Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou in an earlier Haibane Renmei thread has my eternal gratitude.

don't make me punch your head off

I've actually been reading YKK (and watching the OVAs) too because someone started a thread asking for more stuff like it and I hadn't heard of it.

Which is why you should just ignore it when someone accuses you of samefagging instead of posting a screenshot that proves nothing.

>when all art is mathematics
Art is not mathematics. 5x5 isn't 25 because that number does not exist. There is no definitive way of expression. There was never and will not be an artpiece that gives a final understanding to humanity about the world. Trying to force a definitive answer on the abstract is just a way of refusing to think in a certain way. And refusing to think about definitive answer when there is non is also the refusal of thinking in a certain way.
People shouldn't enjoy this show and share their theories because they think they are right, they should do it because they know they're wrong.

You're so smart, me

That has to be the most idiotic post I've read this year.

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>all art is mathematics
Why do I have the feeling you understand neither art nor mathemathics.

>Why do I have the feeling
It's called projection.

I'd say the correct word is pattern recognition.

Why Ran went along with his crazy antics?

Pattern recognition of someone stuck in an IQ chasm between 100 and 120 who isn't smart enough to understand his shortcomings but too autistic to associate with other NPCs.

Did he really manage to make a next step in humanty’s evolution? Somehow I feel the Shapes were going to end like the people in the surface after centuries of being left alone with their memories.

>calls out others for non-arguements
>does the same himself

She had a rough idea that the city was stagnating and that he'd come with the intention of changing the status quo. I doubt she knew everything but he was probably the closest thing to hope she had at the time.

He forced some sort of evolution but considering his insanity there's no guarantee that it's the "next step" for humanity. Kohakura was spasming out while talking to Ichise just before the end, that doesn't look good to me.

I don't think you need more than that for this particular case. Pseudo intellectual behavior is a very easy pattern to recognize.

You must have a lot of positives in this thead alone.

>Kohakura was spasming out while talking to Ichise just before the end, that doesn't look good to me
Pretty much but his last words to Ichise were similar to what the old couple told to Ichise too: just alone with their menores waiting for the end. Somehow the Hell and the Heaven gave the same thing to the humans.

Oh boy the things I would do to Rakka.
You can pluck a feather from her beautiful grey wings and use it to tease her.
Drive it all around her body, softly caressing her sensitive areas with the softness of her own wings.
Making circles around her areolas, dangerously encircling her pubis, running laps around her lips.
Making her feel every single tiny barb on her delicate maiden skin.
Seeing her gradually approach to orgasm as she twitches and moans, her milky skin going crimson with pleasure.
Only for you to deny her climax, she desperatelyconfronts you demanding an explanation.
You make her beg for release and she bashfully asks you to finish.
You put her feather on her tongue and with your now-free hands make her squirm and twitch like a caged animal in a frenzy of pleasure

I'm not even giving you a (you}, you disgust me.

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If I could be a writefag, I would write about these characters. Thinking about Haibane being happy makes me happy.
Fuck I'm lost at how to appreciate my own life as I do theirs. I can't enjoy the simple things and ruining everything.

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I know exactly what you mean though I'd want to be a drawfag instead. As tough as their lives are they appear so fulfilling and meaningful, it's something I'd love to emulate but I just can't leave my comfort zone.

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Well there is /qst/ I don't frequent that board. but with some organization an attempt can't be that bad. There's a need for an artist and a writer, plus actual creativity. bumpu

Sora no Woto is the thinking man's Haibane Renmei.

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I can't draw at all unfortunately, I lack the time to practice and honestly didn't have much of an interest in it until recently.

The BD fucks it even more. It's unlikely you have that since most releases knew it was trash and avoided it, but make sure it's the DVD version.

I compared the DVD and bluray versions and the bluray version looked slightly clearer but I opted for the DVD version just because all the bluray version is is upscaled and filtered. Didn't see a reason to waste the space for something 1080p that still looks blurry. I didn't notice any weird artifacting but apparently that's an issue with the filters they used for the bluray release.

why is this meme still being posted, nobody falls for it anymore

L-lewd

>Thinking about Haibane being happy makes me happy.
This happens to me too

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