Anime of the Decade

Lets settle this once and for all.
Which was the most influential piece of Japanese entertainment of the decade?

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>Influential
SAO, no contest

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Is SAO the reason why we are living in the era of Isekai shit?

This. Like it or not it's literally the most influential series of the decade hands down.

yep

Yeah, and the RPG mechanics shit.

I feel like AOT. Never seen normies run around with SAO merch but BOI does the average teen love their scout Logo on everything. Also AOT was the gateway anime for a whole generation of fans.

The 3 were very influential but if we go by raw numbers, SnK has sold more worldwide than SAO or Madoka.

For me, it's shingeKINO kyojin

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Probably Meme Art Online.

Psycho pass is ghost in the shell done wrong

Aot would have been the best anime this decade if it wasnt for Vinland saga next season.

SnK
SAO
Free
MHA
Tokyo Goul

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of

>influential
Madoka
SAO isn't influential, isekai's been around since the early 80s and there was already an isekai boom in the early 90s ripe with RPG bullshit
>Best
Fafner Exodus or Nichijou

Free wasn’t even popular, let alone influential, also MHA is just a fad like OPM

Since when did anime of the decade have to be popular?

>madoka
Mahou shoujo is nothing new as well

The chinks are singlehandedly responsible for making SnK the biggest thing since Haruhi.

SAO, by a large margin.

It has to be in order to represent an entire decade.

>it has to be popular to be the best thing from the decade

...let's just hope the next decade gets better, right?

Anime is a decadent form of media destined to disappear within the next decade.

Better yet

It doesn’t have to be “the best” just the most representative.

>OP defines anime of the decade as most influential
>"what do you mean it has to be popular"

Are you braindead?

You remind me of the faggots who say there will be another video game crash soon. When it fact both media will continue to get even more popular.

OP's definition is braindead because whenever Yea Forums refers to anime AOTD in the past, people always respond with their favourites from that era, not what;s popular. I guess the definition of AOTD changed two hours and 48 minutes ago.

Madoka, and SAO in terms of popularity and impact on the medium. SnK is just as popular, but it has far less influence on the shows that came after.

Influential implies a sort of goodness to it, it has nothing to do with popularity, it’s the same definition as always just a more objective approach.

Why is SAO even here? It's way behind the other two. Madoka in Japan and SnK for worldwide

Everyone seems to have a very skewed opinion on what influential means, the OP should be rephrased to “anime with the most significant worldwide impact in terms of sales and influence in the industry and otaku culture”

monogatari killed the harem genre.

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Nah, Nisekoi did.

This thread is hilarious, gotta say. The correct answer is Idolm@ster. After IM@S' success, Love Live entered the stage alongside Aikatsu, BanG Dream and various others. People who unironically mention Madoka don't have the slightest clue what they are talking about. In comparison to IM@S or LL and their influence, popularity and sheer commercial success, Shaft's cringy teenangst flick made virtually no money whatsoever and influenced the industry not one bit. The only serious contender is SAO, given how it spawned dozens of LNs and anime adaptations by proxy. However, its success is very limited compared to IM@S'.

iM@S is not even as popular or as successful as LL and Bandori is a trash fad like Kancolle was, also idolshit is nowhere near as popular outside of Asia as Madoka AoT or SAO were, retard.

Yet IM@S spawned the idolhype of the 2010s, which is what this was about. Influence. You have no way to even gauge western influence. Not like it matters. If you compare Madoka or Shingeki no Kyojin to IM@S in a debate about influence on the medium of JAPANESE ANIMATION, then you should refrain from taking part in any serious debate, you worthless cretin. We get it, you 14 year old, dorito eating cretins think Sayaka is a good character, but that doesn't make the show influential on a level similar to IM@S or SAO.

If AOTD was determined simply by how influential a show is, then I think those three would certainly be at the top. However, in addition to influence, I think the AOTD should also be on that was actually good, and as such will have the mettle to be remembered and (generally) hailed as the defining anime of the 2010's.

I wonder if that would remove any of those three shows from that list.

>iM@S is not even as popular or as successful as LL

As aways the madotard just spews random shit.

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based truth-teller

Flip Flappers

It is generally accepted that Haruhi was the defining anime of the last decade but it’s also generally accepted that it was trash (aside from disappearance). We have to accept that even though Madoka might be the less trashy of the three, SnK is objectively the defining anime of this decade.

Oopsies! Looks like you meant to say "K-On". As in the series that literally spawned thousands of CGDCT moefluff and music band / idolshit

SAO > SnK > Madoka

No one is talking about influence on the medium exclusively, and even then the iM@S anime is considered garbage even by their own fanbase, it didn’t define anything as you claim, idolshit as a whole was popular before and after the disastrous iM@S anime series. I’m not even a Madokafag if you came here looking for a fight with one, sorry to disappoint.

Not representative from the franchises as a whole.

Out of those three? Madoka!

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>Makes more money than LL!
>their gacha trash does better than LL!
>i-it doesn't count

Okay, faggot.

The K-ON craze was more from this decade and only lasted for like 3 years before everyone forgot it even existed.

>K-ON
>everyone forgot it even existed.

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If you’re talking about the shit mobages alone, bandori shits on both, what’s even your point iM@Sfag?

Tell us, what did SnK influence. What are the numerous series' it spawned. Forgive me, but I can't think of a single one. Meanwhile IM@S spawned the idolhype of top selling franchises like Love Live, BanG Dream, Aikatsu, fujobait like Idolish and EnStars and various other franchises. Strictly speaking commercial success, Fate probably dances circles around everybody, but what did it influence?

>No one is talking about influence on the medium exclusively,
>Which was the most influential piece of Japanese entertainment of the decade?
Apart from the person who made the thread.
>and even then the iM@S anime is considered garbage even by their own fanbase
Probably the most laughable statement ever made.
> idolshit as a whole was popular before and after the disastrous iM@S anime series
This is so cringe to read, it hurts. IM@S sold 30k copies per volume, which was a complete gamechanger after Xenoglosia sold a mere 2k just 4 years prior to that. Then, coincidentally, suddenly Aikatsu, Love Live and all other franchises entered the market. Prior to IM@S, no pure idol anime ever had been commercially successful. It literally opened the floodgates for all the franchises that followed in its footsteps.

I’m talking figuratively you autistic faggot.

Even figuratively, you're an idiot.

Point of what? I showed you profits and you just went B-but they don't count. Im@s makes more money than LL!, you dumb faggot.

>What are the numerous series' it spawned. Forgive me, but I can't think of a single one.
Probably because you're a newfag who doesn't actually watch anime as much as you like to shitpost about them on chinese basketweaving imageboards.

Do you mean Europe and the United States, or Asia, or Japan?

If it refers to the whole world, the most influential in 2009 is the new Dragon Ball animation, both in terms of sales volume and topicality.

If it refers to Japan, it is LOVE LIVE and SAO. The search volume of Japanese google and Twitter is very large, and the sales volume is also very amazing.

I am waiting for the list. I've seen ~3k Japanese cartoons but I must have missed the tremendous impact the fleshmechs had on the industry.

Worldwide? Dragon Ball Super. Japan? Either SAO or SnK. Madoka has been dead for years already.

Of course not, if you're only looking for all of the other anime that employ the use of wobbly grinning giants. But the themes and tone of AoT has definitely popped up in other places.
Off the top of my head, I remember everyone comparing Owari no Seraph to AoT while it was airing. And Attack on Train is literally Attack on Train.

The list. Where is it?

Giant's global annual sales are only 10 billion yen, madoka has no more than 10 billion yen, love live's global annual sales are more than three times their number, who do you say more influence?

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I enjoy the SAO novels and recent season.

Is your ADHD so bad that you actually cannot sit through reading an entire post?

>influence means having a lot of copycats
That is only a part of it and even then Madoka would take the cake of shitty derivative clones, the first iM@S anime was pure trash and that is a well accepted fact among the idolshit community, in fact it was the Cinderella Girls anime the one that made iM@S relevant on the idolshit scene much later, you clearly know nothing of what you are talking about.

Agreed

I thought both were pretty bad and I've been and iM@Sfag since 2007.

I've always thought that the more successful (at least in terms of anime) Love Live felt more influenced by K-ON, than anything.

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As a series DB is the eternal champion tied with Eva, we are talking series from this decade.

You listed 1 manga and an original show that was made by the same studio that made bank by producing SnK. That's like saying Kishimoto's Samurai 8 was influence by Naruto. Not how it works. So where's the list? You're not gonna consider a single copy in form of a manga to be "influential" now will you?

Yes, well accepted, which is why it sold 30k copies without a re-release and coincidentally idolfranchises spawned like weeds after it . Top 50 best selling anime of all time, 2k less copies per volume sold than CG, but the fanbase thought it was "trash". The fanbase were? On Yea Forums or /vg/? Not a fanbase, they are irrelevant NEETs posting on Yea Forums.

Will anime be better in the 2020s?

yes

Except for Yea Forums, no one is paying attention to Madoka, and influential masterpieces cannot be almost forgotten.

>So where's the list?
>I can't think of a single one.
Hm.

And also, yeah, that is kind of how it works. Your example of Kishimoto's two manga is completely different from the scenario of Shounen Jump unilaterally making another ninja manga because Naruto became so popular.

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If we go by sales only it’s obvious SnK has sold more shit worldwide than all the Type-Moon and idolshit combined, probably just from China alone.

It will if jujutsu kaisen gets an anime

They bought it because japs are obsessed not because it was any good, and we are talking for a western fanbase standpoint, if japs actually pretended to like it that’s irrelevant.

Ah, of course.

>Except for Yea Forums, no one is paying attention to Madoka
There are still daily threads on 2chan. Why are you pretending to know the weather outside if you don't venture beyond your own basement?

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>cgi

Yes of course, otherwise you should vote on what japs consider to be the most influential anime over there, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was actually Aikatsu or some other shit like that.

dragon ball super was also influential
gods of destruction and super sayjin god changed things

Want to know the sales situation in Europe and the United States, you can see the sales of bd and comics on the Amazon in North America.

The sales of madoka and giants are very low. No matter in Japan or Europe or America, the search volume of google and Twitter is not comparable to love live and sao.

These two shit have no influence at all.

There is no western standpoint, brainlet. Anime doesn't influence western media in a way you can gauge it. 14 year old teens watching Madoka streams on Crunchyroll isn't influence. If anything, the most influential Japanese franchise of the 2010s was Pokemon. That actually had some noteworthy impact on western life and its entertainment industry.

I saw the birth of Aikatsu as more a result of both making a modern version of the wave of idol anime from the 80's-90's and a response to the "Idol Warring States Period" happening with the IRL idol industry (AKB becoming a global hit, many more groups popping up seemingly from thin air around the start of the 10's) than Idolmaster necessarily, but that would make sense.

How is SnK influential at all?

>1 manga
>a single copy in form of a manga
You do know Owari no Seraph had an anime that ran for 2 seasons, right...?

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It will be Vinland Saga if the studio doesn't fuck up

>muh garbage no one heard about is influential
Fuck off popular series haters.
Madoka revved up the mahou shoujo craze but only that.
Snk made shounen jump realize they need to add more edge so it indirectly influenced the creation of series like assclass, neverland and kimetsu.
Sao influenced the isekai of today, they wanted something like sao but not in the game so they went with isekai, not sure sure if that counts since they went with a completely different setting.

>If anything, the most influential Japanese franchise of the 2010s was Pokemon.
Okay.
This thread is done.

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Madoka came out early in the decade but easily ruled the first few years of it. It's not the show's fault that you can't remember/were never here for that.

madoka is irrelevant
if you count spics as subhuman than it's attack on titan

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The Madocuck underestimating just how big Pokemon actually is in the west and how much money it made this decade alone. Where is Madoka's global phenomenon mobile game or it's Hollywood liveaction adaptation kickstarting the Madoka cinematic universe, user? Oh right, they don't exist. Pokemons influence on the western world can actually be gauged, and its position as the highest grossing media franchise of all time does the rest.

Idolshitters are always like that, they believe the world revolves around their shitty franchises, they are the most mentally deranged and obsessed otaku there is.

promised neverland first arc of escape is basically shingeki no kyojin + death note

I actually agree but pokemon popularity is decreasing. Its been dead for me since the 6th generation

Your argument is neither here nor there in relation to why I'm making fun of your dumb ass, Anonymous.

Pokemon came out in 1998. The fuck are you even trying to say? That the anime of the decade is Pokemon Sun & Moon?

Sao anime was in 2012 newfag.

Why do fans of Madoka always have the illusion that Madoka is very popular?

Have you seen their threads? Most of them are mentally ill faggots.

this.
thanks to this thread, I just searched what madoka was because I never heard of it

Kuroko no basuke was influential too

And has since had several sequels and spinoff since, including one that finished airing earlier this fucking year.

Also,
>I-I-I'm not the newfag, you're the newfag!

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Meh I argue that Zero no Tsukaima was the first modern isekai but SAO is the first one to bring in RPG mechanics

>SAO keeps going strong getting show after show
>Madocucks get nothing

B-but muh aotd...

The point is that Japanese media has no noteworthy influence on the western hemisphere. No western media franchise was influenced by Madoka, SAO or SnK. You are the one who wants to talk about the impact on the west, yet it doesn't exist. The OP also asked for
>most influential piece of Japanese entertainment
Piece of entertainment, brainlet. Not anime. Pokemon has actual influence on the west and spawned various knockoff mobile games and is now getting a cinematic universe produced by Hollywood. That's the biggest influence a Japanese media franchise has managed to have on the west this decade. That's why your posts are utterly retarded. High rating on MAL or Crunchyroll are not influence or synonymous with high revenue. On the west, Pokemon had more influence than anything else. On the east, IM@S did by spawning the Idolrush and a case can be made for SAO. That's it. Now back to your general, angst shitter.

It's clearly Fate. The franchise is extremely popular and Zero is a strong candidate for best series of the decade on the merits.

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Give me a fucking break you delusional retard, Love Live was from the K-On wave, Aikatsu and Pretty Rhythm were bandwagoning AKB0048.
The im@s anime only capitalized on the Xbox game releases and the fact they have a big cult following, it didn’t influence a damn thing.

So? sao has influenced the industry, what has madoka influenced except for several edgy mahou shoujo series?

Even though SAO wasn't an Isekai, it started the whole action-harem obsession that would branch into Isekai.

>sao has influenced the industry, what has madoka influenced except for the industry?

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>fateshit
>influencing jackshit

What are the "modern" elements that distinguish ZnT from older non-game isekai?

I love it but other isekai haven't copied any of what made it special to me.

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Back to your gacha trash.

You're not going to see anything from this past decade influence much of the western media industry. Hardly anything from anime does. The majority of an anime's influence in the west is its popularity, recognizability, and profitability amongst fans in this niche market. Which I'd say all of those series has accomplished. Perhaps most notably SnK (not to say that that necessarily makes it the AOTD winner).

>Piece of entertainment, brainlet. Not anime.
What the fuck is the name of this thread?
Did someone literally randomly drop you here from Yea Forums?

Yep, total coincidence that 1-2 years after the most commercially successful idol anime of all time, Top 25 best selling anime of all time at the time of its release, various other pure idol anime suddenly entered the frey. Very convenient coincidence. Imagine comparing the first LL anime, with all of its drama and implied sacrifice, to K-On. Yikes, with a capital Y.

The fact Saito is given a cheat ability.
In fact ZnT is much closer to the school battle harem that the modern Isekai, such as lacking stats windows and all those shortcuts but Saito still is overpowered as fuck due to being summoned to that world, we talking about the ability to use any weapon flawless thats kinda broken.

I mean...it clearly influenced the bazillion direct spinoffs of itself. It didn't "influence" clone series like SAO or whatever because ideas of substance are harder to rip off.

Forced obedience, slaves, harem.

>influential for creators
Madoka
>influential for the summertime anime watcher crows
ShitAO
>influential for purveyors of high brow anime
Shingekino kyojin

>Even though SAO wasn't an Isekai
How was it not an isekai?

It's the retarded argument that VR isn't isekai, since it's the same world but you're stuck on some server.

Eh...it's powerful but it's not really broken in a world of magic. And main characters who get special and strong powers were pretty common.

Isekai is transported to another world not a game.

You're right that's a fucking stupid argument. Yea Forums manages to somehow lower my opinion of it even further.

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>transported to another world that's inside a game
>transported to another world that's another planet

But its not, its like arguing that reincarnation is "Native Isekai".

VRMMO are their own subgender. unless you want to argue Only Sense Online is Isekai.

Wow dude, thanks for repeating my post back to me.

From where are you even getting your statistics? Love Live outsold both im@s anime and all the idol anime spawned from the AKB phenomenon from early in the decade, im@s has a niche cult following and nothing else.

If you're going to be a retard and call SAO isekai then Yureka would be the first "isekai" with RPG mechanics.

Space Dandy

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Are they forcibly transported?
If so, isekai
If not, not isekai
This isn't hard

Implying it's not

does anyone now the title of a manga about immortals who have to drink blood and a girl ends with her brain in a jar?

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Reincarnation is it’s own sub genre called Tensei

Isekai simply means other world. What that world is, is up to interpretation. Even if one were to concede the point that SAO isn't isekai in nature, it very much is in practice. Anyone who doesn't like arguing semantics would consider it isekai because based on setting and presentation it basically is.

>Love Live outsold both im@s anime
Oh yes, I forgot. Love Live released before IM@S and not 2 years after it in 2013. And Aikatsu released before IM@S, too, and not in 2012. Haha, my bad. Wait a second...

He is broken with Gandalfr rune because he was summoned as the Void User familiar.

The connection is people that get summoned to another world usually didnt had a power-up pulled on their ass, even if in ZnT thats for plot reasons and the point is ZnT works primary as a School Battle Harem and not as a Isekai, Saito doesnt have it easy.

>it's own subgenre
of isekai, a subgenre of isekai

>Which was the most influential piece of Japanese entertainment of the decade?

2008 through 2018? The year 2020 has not finished yet. Picture shows a typical responder from earlier this decade.

You need to qualify those who respond. Otherwise, you get responses from someone who has only watched for a few years out of the decade. Therefore, your audience must have a through video vocabulary of the anime shows in this decade.

In addition, the responders must know inside business details of the anime industry for the past decade. Otherwise, there is no acceptable data-based way to have a valid opinion on what industry decisions were influenced by the anime shown. Thus, the responders need to have business knowledge about the anime industry decision-making processes, hirings, firings, forced retirements, etc.

IN the past 5 years, a number of japanese anime production houses have either been invested into by chinese companies or new japanese anime companies appeared that were actually subsidiaries of chinese companies seeking to have a japanese label on the chinese-made translations of chinese works for the japanese market. Or the chinese companies sought more anime production work and wanted a tax benefit. These decisions and downstream effects upon the japanese anime industry by the chinese animation industry needs to be understood by the responders. Otherwise, the effects of the chinese works, translated chinese works, and re-animated chinese works won't be properly represented.

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No you can be tensei without isekai and vice versa.

It has to be Violet Evergarden for me

Most subgenres are subsets of multiple parent genres.
The concept of a genre as a whole kind of took a tab of acid and fucked off to lala land a few decades ago anyways.

The point I was trying to make is SAO is a VRMMO and even if you have some that are similar, like Overlord, those are actual Isekai as SAO is ... not. A lot of people blame SAO for Isekai but I dont see many series that follow the "stuck on a VRMMO" pattern.

See ?This is the kinda stupid shit we have to put up with.

VEG fags have arrived, thread ruined

>this is the kind of stupid shit
You still have not stated why sao is not isekai. All you faggots ever do is posit shit without ever explaining it. We gave you the definition of isekai, which sao falls under. It's been your turn for years and you just refuse to take it.

>t chink

Just vote in the damn poll and fuck off.

Quality rating:
Madoka
SnK
SAO

Influence rating:
SAO
Madoka
snk

My personal rating
snk
Madoka
SAO

Oh and something else.
>spawned from the AKB phenomenon
Yes, I am sure that after AKB First Stage sold 5k copies per volume, studios and content creators were desperate to immitate its success and create anime instead of spending money to market their idol groups in various other ways. It certainly wasn't the commercial success of IM@S, selling 30k per volume, that gave people the impression anime might be a very good marketing tool for idolgroups after all. No no, not at all. It was AKBs nonAnimation success. That's why I make an anime to advertise my franchise. Because this idolgroup sold a lot of singles despite a) not having one for the longest time and b) once it had one it flopped.

>but I dont see many series that follow the "stuck on a VRMMO" pattern
Because you don't get that this minor difference is irrelevant to the consumer. What you're arguing are semantics. It has no relevance to the appeal. To the average person SAO looks like an Isekai, it works like an isekai, it feels like an isekai. Content creators simply immitated what it felt like and why the average consumer bought books and blurays. The fact that it's not an isekai per se is irrelevant to them. That's something noone but those who argue semantics care about. At the end of the day Isekai isn't even a genre. It's a subgenre of fantasy.

SAO not only still keeps getting seasons but also was as influential as Haruhi in the sense that it made execs start adapting web novels
Shingeki no Kyojin while it converted a lot of people into the anime fandom it wasn't a trend setter
Meanwhile the only influence Madoka had was 3 or 4 edgy magical girl series getting adapted

By that logic, Digimon is the first technical popular Isekai and .Hack revolutionized the genre not SAO. The only thing SAO did was revive the genre for Zoomers.
So yeah, going by that logic i'm about to log on Steam and put on my Isekai device over my eyes, could've sworn it was called a VR Headset though.

They weren't forcibly transported, they virtually(no pun intended) chose to be apart of that world. Unlike other isekai, we was aware through the whole series that leaving the game was feasible.

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>>t chink
No. But the chinese anime shows also show how japanese anime shows change their viewpoints and presentation to make sure they can get their work subcontracted by chinese animators. It's also important to sell product and merchandise in the chiense market, so avoiding a chinese government ban is also important for taiwan as well.

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Madoka, no contest

>SAO did was revive the genre for Zoomers
SAO had a tremendous influence on LN and WN adaptations and spawned dozens of anime.
>put on my Isekai device over my eyes
Not the same, and you know it. You'd be playing a game. In SAO your conscience, and therefore your persona, is stuck in a game and a different world. Comparing simple VR to what happens in SAO is disingenuous at best, and retarded at worst.

Attack on Titan is this generations NGE

We are all fully qualified anime experts here on Yea Forums

>By that logic, Digimon is the first technical popular Isekai and .Hack revolutionized the genre not SAO. The only thing SAO did was revive the genre for Zoomers.
There is literally nothing false about this statement.
>So yeah, going by that logic i'm about to log on Steam and put on my Isekai device over my eyes, could've sworn it was called a VR Headset though.
Do you live in a fucking fictional narrative user? ARE YOU even aware what a genre is. This is the stupid shit we have to deal with, good god.
>They weren't forcibly transported, they virtually(no pun intended) chose to be apart of that world. Unlike other isekai, we was aware through the whole series that leaving the game was feasible.
Forcibly transported has never been a requirement for the isekai genre, we've never fucking said it was. Keep reaching for shit to pretend you're correct.
>we was
Oh it's a nigger, that makes sense. Go back to dbz.

ZnT did have harem elements though

>madoka dead last

Madokeks...

out of these, only two of them have a plot, being AoT and Madoka - but AoT is easily one of the best mangas of the current era.

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so garbage hyped to high heaven

>implying

AKB the irl group, once they entered the anime scene everyone followed, it flopped and the idol trend in anime died with it, you are seriously delusional thinking im@s which at the time only had a game following was a trend setter in the anime industry in any way, aside from confirming that cult followings will buy any piece of media you throw at them.

More like above average hyped to high heaven

SnK and SAO were banned in China and yet they have the most fanatical following there, it could be even argued that SnK specifically started to pander to chinks after it exploded over there even during the ban.

They changed so much that China doesn’t ban dozens of shows per season right? fuck off chinkshill.
Sao is a game so not isekai, sorry you’re a brainlet.

Alright then let me put it this way, SAO is of a specific subtype of Isekai like Log Horizon.

If they were trying to copy SAO we would have a lot more series like SAO, Log Horizon and Overlord but instead most follow the type of ZnT or 12 Kingdoms were they are transported to another world they have no knowledge of.

So if SAO created the boom then we would had a lot more trapped in a VRMMO series as that is SAO formula but instead we have more ... "generic" series without the VRMMO element.

SnK is more popular, SAO is more influential, pretty much the same dilemma as with last decade, Haruhi was more influential but K-On was more popular.

>SAO had a tremendous influence on LN and WN adaptations and spawned dozens of anime.
Yes, that's what happens when some goes viral. It's not the originator, but it picked the perfect time to release. I was aware of this ever since the first promo dropped.
>Not the same, and you know it. You'd be playing a game. In SAO your conscience, and therefore your persona, is stuck in a game and a different world. Comparing simple VR to what happens in SAO is disingenuous at best, and retarded at worst.
>Do you live in a fucking fictional narrative user? ARE YOU even aware what a genre is. This is the stupid shit we have to deal with, good god.
Everything in SAO could potentially become reality in a matter of decades. Both VR technology and neurotechnology are improving rather rapidly. The primary thing making this realistic possibility is the factor that MMO is a dying genre.
>Oh it's a nigger, that makes sense. Go back to dbz.
You made some fair points, but how dare you obligate us to stick with shonenshit just because were black.

Yeah SAO really shat out enough isekai garbage to last us a lifetime.

Yes, I am sure once AKBs anime had sold 5k copies per volume people followed. And yes, I am sure that once AKB had flopped (2012), the idol trend in anime died with it, which is why in 2013 LL sold 30k, in 2014 it sold 67k, in 2016 and 2017 Sunshine sold 56k and 46k respectively, in 2015 and 2017 CG sold 31k and 24k respectively, in 2017 Idolish sold 21k, in 2018 Zombieland Saga sold 20k, in 2017 SideM sold 18k etc.

Because the idolanime trend died in 2012 when AKBs anime flopped. And then it died again in 2013 when next stage sold 3k. AKBs anime everybody. The trendsetter, the reasons why someone would like to promote their product through animation, the group whose anime put an end to the idolanime craze. Wait a second...

those charts always fluctuate a ton from period to period but it's true that top is either LL or Im@s

>SnK specifically started to pander to chinks after it exploded over there even during the ban.

How can you make money on a market that bans your work?

Reminder that Love live and Im@s are owned by the same company, my first idolshit was Love live and loved it but after knowing Im@s i can't go back...specially 765 Pro, those looks like real idols and Im@s game is totally superior to LL one.

That being said i wouldn't call some idolshit AOTD, Madoka for sure it is.

Can we all sit down and appreciate these 3 anime and One Punch Man managed to outdo Shonen Jump's garbage in worldwide popularity?
Regardless how you feel about them, they achieved a feat that no anime in the 90s/2000s couldn't.

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If I had to pick between those three then it's SnK for me. At least secondaries are finally getting a taste of what manga readers got three years ago.

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>transported to another world
>not isekai
Wizard of Oz is a dream so not isekai, sorry I'm a brainlet.

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>So if SAO created the boom then we would had a lot more trapped in a VRMMO series as that is SAO formula but instead we have more ... "generic" series without the VRMMO element.
Almost like it makes the content more versatile if all you copy are the core ideas of the work. Wow, who would have thought. You're still too retarded to understand how content is being created. The content creator does need to copy the success story to a t. They simply pick what appeals to the audience. And guess what. That's the isekai portion of SAO. The VRMMO bits are merely there to give it some context, yet are completely irrelevant for 99% of the show. People watch SAO for what happens inside of the digital world, for the fantasy. Whether or not it's VR is irrelevant to them. If you're too retarded to understand that I guess every company can call itself lucky that you're not in charge of sales or product development.

It's more your own race that obligates you. Have you seen the utter amount of black people that have only ever watched dbz? It's an insane amount.

Akb anime flopped but the group itself is influential.
It sells more with 2 or 3 singles than every single of idolm@ and love live single combined.

The modern internet really helped a lot of ongoing manga and anime to get exposure in the west. And we all know the real market is in the west.

As stated before LL had its own following but it was clearly inspired from K-On, and im@s drones kept buying all the shit that was thrown at them, the same with LL, that’s not significant in any way to the anime industry as a whole, it only goes to show that obsessed cult followings will buy anything you throw at them regardless of format.

By evading the ban

Black people are Toonamifags and grew up on nothing but DBZ/shonenshit until the Smartphone era because yo owning PCs are corny son.
A large amount either just stuck with DBZ or is now just catching up on anime we watched a decade ago.

That's irrelevant. You are arguing that a group, that is influential in the music industry, had an impact on anime adaptations despite its show flopping. If anything, AKBs anime told everybody that using anime as a vehicle to promote your IDOL franchise is not a smart idea. Despite its major commercial success, the anime's second season sold 1/10th of IM@S'. Do you understand how advertising and budgeting work? Noone would want to make an anime to advertise their product after the flop that was the AKB anime if there hand't been an idolanime that actually managed to sell.

Well then talk to me when you enter current year nigger.

Madoka. Anything else is just flies arguing that shit is great because billions of them eat it daily.

>Which was the most influential
Now go sit in the corner and feel bad

It's not new but madoka turned the genre inside out

>Considering i'm in the majority
Keep thinking that, but be wary when normies catch up in 5 years, Z-fags will burst out their containment thread, and every thread is filled with ebonic speak.

Implying that hasn't already happened.

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Madoka influenced a whole generation of people in a revolutionary way, SnK and SAO are just the same shōnenshit that has always been there.

SAO was never listed or marketed as isekai
It's sci fi adventure

>was never listed or marketed as
Ah yes, how silly of me to forget. The marketing and listing is the be all end all of a given fictions applicable genres.

>hey, library of congress, I don't give a FUCK if writer of ____ said their work is ____, I say it's ___ because I feel it's loosely ____, so change it to THAT

That's literally how genres work though. They are descriptive not prescriptive. Genres are given where they apply, regardless of what the writer says. It's funny because libraries don't take into account the writers opinion. They read the book and give it the genres that apply.

I forgot to add
>change it to that
Things have multiple genres, you massive cock gobbler

So basically two animes that were made by the same studio in charge of the AoT anime...

Did you think Lord of the Rings being called a contemporary piece about WW2 by the marketing staff would classify it as Documentary instead of Fantasy?

SnK is not released in China, retard. Talk with facts not with personal biases.

It's sci fi action, isekai doesn't apply cause fans who don't know enough words call it that
That's not how actual labeling of works in a professional setting works, no for cinegraphic pieces
In this case the genre doesn't even apply, cause isekai is a subgenre of fantasy, and sao is science fiction

If JRR tolkien said it was x, it'd be a strong compeller compared to fan insistings
But that's not even a similar comparison, you're trying to tag a fantasy tag on a science fiction light novel

Calling SAO science fiction is barely even scrapping the surface. Technically, everything the characters experience instead of the world is fantasy. So 95% of it. Only the basic concept of VR is actually science fiction. The rest is way closer to fantasy. From the world, over story to the class based RPG system.

Pretty horrible comparison
It's more like Tennessee Williams writing a play labeled as a tragedy, but you label it a romantic comedy because you found it funny

>isekai is a subgenre of fantasy
No? Where the fuck did you get that. There have been science fiction isekai. Holy shit you absolute nigger one of the original science fiction novels was literally an isekai.
Not even to mention how science fiction is a subgenre of fantasy, and what you're calling fantasy is actually called something else entirely.

It's science fiction with the main topic being video games, which some of are fantasy. A large chunk don't even take place in a fantasy world, they take place in another science fiction one.
Just as Hamlet reciting scripture a dozen times doesn't make the play into sermon

>Isekai is a subgenre of Japanese fantasy light novels, manga, anime, and video games revolving around a normal person from Earth being transported to, reborn, or trapped in a parallel universe.

>taking the nip contemporary definition of isekai instead of literally translating it
And I'm the fucking dumb one here, okay I'll just see myself out. It hurts to be not a weeb on Yea Forums.

>science fiction is a subgenre of fantasy
What school did you go to that fucked you up this badly?

>a bunch of retards that can’t even agree on a definition for Isekai are the ones calling SAO AOTD

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The one where we learned the actual definition of fantasy and weren't raised purely on post Tolkien copy paste trash.

You're getting a little too sensitive, it's a friendly discussion that largely stems down to silly sophistry
We can talk about it, but at the end of the discussion it doesn't really mean anything as we're arguing non-existent semantics

>why are you getting mad at my constant retardation user
This is the worst form of gaslighting lemme tell ya

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I don't know what happened in your school career where you somehow didn't learn the concept of speculative fiction, and decided to claim all sci fi is fantasy

>You're getting a little too sensitive
>acts more sensitive
Zoomer genocide when, Yea Forums

You really can't help but be a retard, can you.

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>accused of gaslighting
>doubles down
Gonna be a wew from me

Sci fi is also speculative fiction. What are you even trying to say?

>no discussion
>pure shitposting
Hope you enjoyed your visit, tourist!
Remember next time it's TWO (2) Years 365 days before posting, and the 6x6 rule before posting on a nuanced topic.
Have a good trip, leddit!

>concept of speculative fiction, and decided to claim all sci fi is fantasy
Did you forget you implied that sci fi was speculative fiction, and therefore did not fall under the umbrella of fantasy.

Are you following this reply chain properly?
user made claim that sci fi is a subgenre of fantasy. I say that it's speculative fiction and by no means ever, is sci fi considered a subgenre of fantasy.
Here's the exact quote
>Not even to mention how science fiction is a subgenre of fantasy

>Meh
Ask me how I know you're a weird ass

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Lurk more faggot. Madoka still isn't popular though, you only see people talk about it here, otherwise I'd have no idea it existed unlike AOT and SAO.

>aotd thread
>Is pokemon season 1 considered this decade?
>Does jojo part 1 count?
>Proxyfags deciding victor

Its illustrates why real democracy doesnt work

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>proxyfags
>NNB avatar
Spotted the madotard.

So it’s settled then, is SOA the definitive AOTD?

...

Aikatsu started only 2 seasons after AKB0048 did, think it was a little too close to call it bandwagoning. If the gap was a little larger, like a year or so, then I'd get it

>tfw you were here to witness Madoka airing

AOTD

So now that we have all agreed that SOA was anime of this decade, which were the best anime of the past decades?

>Everyone seems to have a very skewed opinion on what influential means, the OP should be rephrased to “anime with the most significant worldwide impact in terms of sales and influence in the industry and otaku culture”

Then it's definitely Madoka, Sword Art Online, and Attack on Titan. Free is definitely up there until Yuri on Ice perfected it

Did you list those in order?

00’s Haruhi
90’s Eva
80’s Gundam
70’s Doraemon
60’s Astroboy

>Did you list those in order?

Didn't mean to

Umm guys? You do realize Madoka won like fourteen more awards than SAO right? What kind of fucked up world is this where Yea Forums is claiming SAO is AOTD because it’s more influential? Influential doesn’t mean jack donkey shit. Madoka is 30x the anime any of these other two are and I like Attack on Titan. You guys need to get your shit together because this thread is just sad.

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>Devilman not aotd for the 70's

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>Puella Magi Madoka Magica has received widespread critical acclaim. UK Anime Network's Andy Hanley rated the anime 10 out of 10 and lauded it for its deeply emotional content, and described it as immersive and filled with grandiose visuals along with an evocative soundtrack. He recommended watching it several times to fully comprehend the complex and multi-layered plot. Hanley called it the greatest television anime series of the 21st century thus far.[90] Scott Green of Ain't It Cool News called the series "hugely admirable"; he praised the animation team's attention to detail, stating that the series "would not work nearly as well if the characters in general and as magical girls specifically weren't presented so spectacularly winningly by the production". Green also said he would highly recommend Puella Magi Madoka Magica to anyone with an interest in anime.

>T.H.E.M. Anime reviewer Tim Jones called it "beautiful, well-written, and surprisingly dark", and gave it four out of five stars. Jones also commended the unique animation and design of the backdrops shown during witch fights, which he described as "surreal, beautiful, [and] trippy". In his review of the three BD volumes of the anime series, Zac Bertschy of Anime News Network characterized the story as very emotionally dark and "one of the most ambitious and beautiful anime series in recent memory." He awarded each of the volumes ratings of A or A+ overall. Awarding the series five stars out of five, Common Sense Media wrote that the "animation style is full of fluid motion and attention to detail that makes it a uniquely pleasurable experience to watch" and "the main characters [are] well developed and its hard not to get attached to them as the story progresses".

>Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported that Puella Magi Madoka Magica had grossed ¥40 billion from the sales of related goods within two years of its release. A live broadcast of the entire series was streamed on Nico Nico Douga on June 18, 2011, garnering around a million viewers, surpassing the previous streaming audience record of 570,000 held by Lucky Star. According to Google Zeitgeist, Madoka Magica was the most-searched and fastest-rising search query in the anime category of 2011.

The show won the Television Award at the 16th Animation Kobe Awards as well as 12 Newtype Anime Awards and the Grand Prize for animation in the 2011 Japan Media Arts awards. It was nominated for the 32nd Nihon SF Taisho Award and won the 2011 Bronze Prize for Kyubey's catchphrase. It also won three Tokyo Anime Awards in the Television Category, Best Director and Best Screenplay, and the Selection Committee Special Prize award at the 2012 Licensing of the Year awards. Madoka Magica was awarded a Seiun Award for "Best Media" at the 2012 Japan Science Fiction Convention and was also awarded a Sisterhood Prize for the Sense of Gender Awards. It also won the 2012 UK Anime Network Reader's Choice Award. In 2015, the show was awarded the inaugural Sugoi Japan Grand Prix Japan's nationwide vote for manga, anime, and novels considered as cultural assets that have the potential to be beloved all over the world, among all of the works published since 2005. In 2017, Madoka Magica was selected as the best anime of 2011 by the Tokyo Anime Award Festival.

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Madoka is only attracting attention during the period from 2011 to 2013

It’s actually very low to earn 40 billion yen in three years. Even if you don’t compare with Sailor Moon and PreCure, do you know that DoReMi earned 40.3 billion yen in two years in 2000 and 2001?

Same with Miyazaki movies, everyone praises them like the best thing ever the year they release only to forget them two years later.

It isn’t just about the numbers, do you realize the breakthrough Madoka was for the industry in general?

Hideaki Anno (see pic related):
This is really good, Kyubey. Be it getting rid of lip-synching, or working it as a character, doing it so thoroughly makes me feel great. And the symbolization of the witches is also skillfully done. The music is also good. My urge is to own the three BGM tracks like the "salesman's theme" which I love, got me to buy Vol. 2 of the Blu-Ray. Ep. 10 was good too. The way HomuHomu was depicted was good. I think in terms of the released form of anime works, going for a movie series instead of another TV series is a good way to establish it even further. I have high expectations of it.
>Mamoru Oshii (Japan Media Arts Festival judge):
Madoka is the first "god-tier" anime since Evangelion.
>Yutaka Yamamoto:
Stop Cancelling Our Anime! There’s no need for “self-estraint” with anime. There is no need to cancel Madoka. Now of all times, Madoka must keep crying out the truth of humanity.
>Kazuo Koike(Lone Wolf and Cub & Crying Freeman):
There were many times I felt my heart rending when I watched Madoka Magica. I think it is a great thing to create such touching work. Gen Urobuchi, I could not have such ideas. I admit defeat.
>Shunji Suzuki:
Madoka might beat Eva, if it hasn't yet. It's not good for relics of the past to stay at the top forever.
>Ryusuke Hikawa (Japan Media Arts Festival judge):
For the past decades I've wondered, "Why can't anybody make an anime with as much impact as Gundam using the power of the moe anime genre?" Madoka Magica made this wish come true.
>Hitoshi Sakoh:
The pairing of Madoka and Homura is just the best! My favorite anime of ever.
>Rena Matsui:
It was a most heartfelt joy to watch scenes like the ED of ep. 10 or when Kyubey gave a speech

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The mobile game makes more than 99.5% of anime in the modern era.

I forgot.

what a chad

They made another ghost in the shell that a lot of people missed. It’s called Ghosts of Paradise.

Literally the Evangelion of Mahou Shoujous.

More like Eva is the old washed up Madoka.

Where is all the sudden hate for Madoka coming from? It’s the greatest story ever told.

Most of neo/a/ wasn’t around when it aired, they got introduced to anime watching SAO and SnK on Netflix.

High evaluation can not change Westerners did not contribute to the sales of madoka

Just like Yea Forums's favorite animations are generally bleak

Pokémon is more influential by the length of the universe. That doesn’t make it good or a legitimate contender for AOTD. AOTD is more about quality of the story.

I’m from America sir. If you believe it wasn’t big here you’re living under a rock. You’re claiming the west doesn’t buy Madoka merchandise?

I’d unironically place Magus Bride higher up for AOTD than SAO. I don’t know what’s become of Yea Forums anymore.

The criteria of AOTD for this thread is influencing the industry. If it was about quality of the story I would not have said SAO.

Let fans of madoka accept the cruel reality.
This is Japan's most popular mobile game, no madoka at all.

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Madoka was unsurpassed artistically this decade.

Madoka’s market size is only 40 billion yen.
Sailor Moon and precure have a market size 20 times more than madoka
If madoka is really popular with Westerners, why is madoka's sales so shit-like?

The Madoka game came out a while ago and it’s more expensive to buy than all those games. It’s like 8 usd and there’s in game purchases. Also it’s a twelve episode single cour series. You’re not factoring any of that in? Fate and Pokémon gave so many different seasons and spinoffs. Episode to episode compared to the money brought in no other anime in the world even comes close to Madoka.

The new sailor moon anime tanked hard dork. Madoka demolished it and the original Sailor Moon and Precure have like 300 years on Madoka and Madoka is that close already in sales? I really hope you don’t assume it’s going to stay that way especially with the new anime releasing.

Fans of Madoka accept the cruel reality.
Madoka's market size in 2018 is only 9.2 billion yen
Even less than 10 billion yen a year

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I don’t even think it’s about sales anyways. Madoka is better than shows like Sailor Moon, Utena, Eva, SAO, ATOT, etc because the story is something any of them could never accomplish in their wildest dreams. The story of Madoka is probably the greatest anime story ever told.

Okay? According to you Idol Master is the greatest anime of all time if sales = quality.

What does this have to do with anything?

2018 best-selling animated music comics book leaderboard, no madoka at all

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The fuck are music comics? What does this have to do with anything? One piece is in third place. Are you saying One piece is the third greatest anime of all time?

Actually yes, some retard has been arguing this the whole thread.

Madoka is better than all of those series combined though. What’s your point?

Why did this thread pigeonhole "most influential anime of the decade" into "best merchandising opportunity of the decade"?

How can anyone feel like they have a dog in the latter fight without wanting to immediately kill themselves?

I have not denied that madoka is an excellent animation.
However, fans of madoka always think that madoka is very popular, I can only use economic data to let you accept the reality.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPEcp2zla3o

They’re just joking guys. They love it and they don’t have a choice. We all love and respect Madoka. All of us. ALL OF US!

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Sales are a pretty objective indicator of something’s influence.

Why can’t you accept the reality that Madoka is unironically the greatest story ever told and comparing sales from a 12 episode single cour anime to 300+ episode series from 1996 doesn’t mean anything?

Madoka is very popular worldwide, Japan is not the only valid indicator.

Okay I’ll admit Pokémon is undisputed the single greatest influential anime of all time with absolutely nothing even coming close forever and always. Madoka is AOTD though.

Why is the great madoka so popular
But few people are willing to buy madoka goods?

Sales are an objective indicator, but not of influence.

Pokémon is. All I’m saying is Madoka is AOTD because it’s won more awards and the quality of the show is higher than Pokémon.

Madoka is praised more by higher ups in the industry than Pokémon as well. Pokémon is big but it’s like like Walmart of anime. It’s nothing people are going to go gravy over.

Because who you influence is more important than how many people you influence.

Not him but madoka is not in the 2018 list of best sellers so it hasn't released anything of worth.

Neither did Cowboy Bebop. What’s your point? Your so scattered you’re making no sense.

user, go to sleep that user was clearly making fun of other user.

For something to be influential it has to be mainstream, Madoka wasn’t mainstream, SnK is the most mainstream anime since K-ON!

It just doesn’t make sense to say Madoka didn’t release anything worthwhile to read in a year where nothing was made? He’s making fun of himself.

We’ve already established Pokémon is the winner for influential even though it’s a shit anime. It just goes to show influential doesn’t mean anything.

So basically Attack on Titan and SaO would go more towards the influential but shit side of things and Madoka would go more towards the quality/good story side of things over with shows like Bebop and Eva.

Pokémon isn’t from this decade.

There was an anime released this decade.

user I think that's the point. It's a hyberbole of the other user's post. If I had to guess it would be parodying this user for example.I can be mistaken, but I doubt any user ""thinks"" that madoka wasn't of any worth. But you know how it is, you can never be sure.

My mama always told me there’s two kinds of people in this world.

1. People who believe Madoka to be AOTD

2. People who haven’t seen Madoka yet

>ika was almost ten years ago
Holy fuck, I don't know why that one hit home for me but it sure fucking did. I have spent entirely too much time here.

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Eva is the most influential anime ever though, atleast madoka influenced it's own genre so that's something.

Eva didn’t influence jack compared to the actual biggest influences in the industry.

Madoka surpassed Eva a long time ago bud.

You do realize Anno said Sailor Moon Inspired him to make Eva right? Eva is influenced by Sailor Moon and probably wouldn’t even exist if Sailor Moon was never made. That makes Sailor Moon a better anime than Eva in your opinion?

For me, it's Shingeki no Kyojin.

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Based

You be quiet!

Reminder that no other soundtrack from the last decade can compete with the Madoka soundtrack.

Also the Eva soundtrack consists of 50% stolen unoriginal music.

No, I blame that shit on THE GAMER.
God that shit actually set humanity back 5 years in terms of cultural advancement.

>ghost in the shell done wrong
not enough scantily clad cyborg chicks on screen each episode for you?

How did slime isekai get so big so quickly?

No, nostalgiafagging will always have waves and waves of old generations coming back to it for a while.

Pokemon is extremely popular within the zoomer age group and as the boomers pass on, the zoomers are what we're left with, and pokemon can be said to be a cultural icon for them.

Pokémon sucks mouse dick though. This is exactly why influential means about as much as a half hearted apology. Influence means nothing. The quality of the anime means something.

>Slam Dunk in the top 10

Timeless Classic.

Because it’s trash that people can self insert in. It’s a bad anime that makes up for story, music and characters with tropes and a self insert MC. That’s about it. It’s no better than Overlord.

Right, because the great minds on Yea Forums can agree on something's QUALITY.
Instead of constantly bickering back and forth on what constitutes as quality until someone declares the quality means nothing and we should look at the economic influence of each work.

>What is AotD
>What is the most influential anime of the decade
Those're two different questions with two different answers.

Zero no Tsukaima was the prototype
SAO was the completed doomsday device

Awards and critical acclaim by higher ups with notable works in the anime industry then? I think that beats sales and “influence” any day.

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Psycho-Pass and GitS don't even have much crossover thematically.
the only similarities are focusing on police forces in a cyberpunk setting.
Other than that they go completely different routes.

for me, it's these.

good night

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Go to bed you hipster bitch boy.

ok.

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Where the fuck is the Fafner movie.

I beg to differ.
youtube.com/watch?v=KPxSS1zHWwQ

10's Jojo (does SAO have near as many memes?)
00's Naruto
90's Pokemon

> compete with the Madoka soundtrack.
Made in Abyss, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon.

There’s foreshadowing and hints in the Madoka music that reward viewers who pay attention and the way the music is made in the series is that the scene is made first and it’s composed sometimes literally over hundreds of times until it’s just right. Even simple scenes like this. m.youtube.com/watch?v=KRDYVJOTJh4

You hear this? That’s perfectly executed music. No lyrics and you get a good feel for the suffering of witch Elly here who at this point is supposed to be an “evil monster” yet you literally feel her suffering and being forced to fight in this song. You can actually feel how the supposed evil witch is actually suffering as the song plays out and how twisted and wrong what’s happening to her is all the way until the uplifting moment of the song at the end when Sayaka ends her life. Music like this and just the love and care that went into Madoka is miles better than anything out of Made in the Abyss. Keep in mind this is just a simple little ost song most people would forget about and that much work went into it. You could write paragraphs about some of the better known ost songs from Madoka and everything hidden inside them.

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I can't even recall what series came out in recent years if you ask me so specifically.
Does anybody have a chart or something?

Nobody asked the first one

Then you aren’t qualified to be in this thread, please leave immediately.

The bridge from :58 to 1:10 is brilliant. It’s almost as if the emotions of witch Elly are slipping and then the melody kicks back and everything appears to continue as normal. It’s brilliant.

The Caradhina is an entrancing melody, a repetitive and soft call urging you on, to look deeper and heed it's call. It's literally the call of the Abyss, entrancing the viewer and protagonist alike to venture into it.

It doesn't give away anything but a grander sense of more, but it's use of key change shows that there is a darker side to it, a deeper and often misunderstood allure that calls from the Abyss and it's literally the perfect song to set the stage. As the song progresses the time change makes it more urgent, more demanding, the chorus swells and demands that you focus in on it, that it's all the objects of your desire and holds all of the answers to the mystery that lies await, but it's beguiling nature is still shown through the key elements of the song.

That much can be said for the entire soundtrack, which has so many fantastic stylistic changes and inspirations that it really does elevate itself. I agree Madoka's soundtrack is something fantastic and a work of art, but I don't agree that it sits upon the precipice by itself.

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This chart doesn't have even close to all of them, but it's decently representative.

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Damn anime sure has declined

I get that it’s good but for anybody who actually understands Madoka I don’t think that would be the case. For people like me it’s really hard because all I want to do is praise Madoka. I unironically believe it to be the single greatest anime of all time and knowing the context behind the songs and what they all mean you’ll most likely never catch me claiming another series has even half the soundtrack Madoka does unless on the off chance I one day see something that surpasses it. I don’t think that will happen but you never know.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=l-1EBo16URk

Take this one for example. Another one of the simple ost songs from Madoka. One that almost nobody remembers. Most people probably think they just composed this with a little thought for the mood like most other anime but that’s not the case at all. The song is called take your hands. That alone is amazing in context considering the speech Homura gives and what she means by it and the subtle minor tone in the song singling to the audience what’s about to happen and how she’s feeling at that moment. How can little things like this not even be comprehended by most people when watching this series? Do you understand how deep that alone is? You’ll never see little ost songs like this have so much in any other series. Never. That conversation they have is some of the most well written dialogue in anime followed up with the highest tier composing money can buy and it all goes over the head of 99.5% of the audiences heads while viewing the anime.

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Market size is a global indicator, not just sales in Japan, officially open data, madoka's market size is only 40 billion yen

Then you have other ones like this.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=IqT0fxYZCtM

Decretum, Sis Puella Magica, Sagitta Luminus, etc. This music puts you in a whole different world.

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A lot of people seem to like Decretum

pokemon is a jojo ripoff

Japan is literally the only thing that matters, that’s why Madoka is AOTD.

I think Your Silver Garden has got to be the single greatest song in the entire series when the context is understood. Even if it’s a Rebellion song. The visuals were also great.

Sales volume is a direct manifestation of influence
One of the manifestations of influence is mobilization
Merchant launches a product
This animation can mobilize how many consumers to buy goods, you can directly reflect whether the mobilization is strong or weak

Madoka fans only paused on the praise, madoka can not mobilize fans to buy goods, indicating that madoka's influence is weak

I liked Parasyte the maxim better than madoka and the dubstep was cool

Plenty of Madoka fans buy merchandise. There’s just a lot more Pokémon and Yu-hi-oh fans because that’s what kids can enjoy and that’s the majority of anime fans. I say awards and praise by higher ups in the industry mean more because you’re not getting your samples from 7-14 year old kids. That’s why despite all this sales talk Madoka is probably the AOTD and influence means nothing unless you think a ten year olds opinion means something significant other than money.

Try harder.

You got me there.

i liked luluco too but i wouldnt say it was better than madoka why are my opinions bait huh

I think everybody is talking about AOTD now. I don’t think anybody is doubting that Pokémon is the most influential anime nor do they care.

Because you’re trying to keep your thread going.

my first post in this thread was 20 minutes ago but i like your style

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Obviously you’d say something like that. Bye.

idk what you have against madoka or whatever but i will keep the thread alive for you friend

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SAO has the most influence, but is shit.
Madoka is amazing
AoT what?

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>webm
Is this a sex metaphor?

Best is SnK.

Most influential is SAO for spurring the shit storm that is the isekai boom.

Wait, was SAO actually responsible for isekai boom? I had impression that it was the novel about fat neet guy dying and being reincarnated as a kid in fantasy word. And that we got more isekai anime because of how more light novel are made into anime these days.
Now game interface is sertainly an influence by vr games themed stuff, but SAO didn't even do it first.

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>Now game interface is sertainly an influence by vr games themed stuff, but SAO didn't even do it first.
.hack was nowhere nearly as popular as SAO is atm, if you're trying to imply that.

>hack was nowhere nearly as popular as SAO
Several games and multiple animes, seems popular to me.

The only girl in those series that I would let rape me is Madoka, the rest are lascivious heathens

Psycho Pass is not even cyberpunk to begin with

I'd argue that GITS isn't cyberpunk either.

Like I'd trust the opinion of a guy who died choking on a cap

The isekai genre was already ready to be set off, SAO was just the trigger.

What, is it not ironically retro enough to be Cyberpunk™? Is the original Bladerunner not cyberpunk because it wasn't meant to be the '80's future', it was just the future from the 80's? Where does it end with you people?

Please explain that fans of madoka are buying goods, but the sales of madoka are still very low.

Only two possibilities

The first possibility is that madoka doesn't have enough influence to attract madoka fans to buy goods, or madoka fans are mostly poor.

The second possibility is that the number of madoka fans is very small, even if all the madoka fans buy goods, they can't support the sales of madoka.

Neo-noir isn't cyberpunk.

Kind of. It wasn’t Isekai but it got publishers to start combing through web novels to find popular ones to turn into light novels. This happened while Isekai were booming in web novels written by people who’d grown up with video games instead of books and tabletop games.

Sales do not represent influence?

I will let madoka fans see what is really influential anime.

In 2018, 346Production held two 6th Anniversary LIVEs at the same time in Nagoya Dome and Seibu Dome, mobilizing 50,000 people in a single day.
Https://www.famitsu.com/news/201812/01168546.html

In 2018, Aqours held its 4th anniversary LIVE at the Tokyo Dome, mobilizing 60,000 people in a single day.
Https://spice.eplus.jp/articles/218688

Look at the mobilization ability of love live, this is called influence.

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Is Psychopass neo-noir? I can understand the argument against Bladerunner (using future tech as a prop for a philosophical issue), but the portrayal of international corporations and Asia's growing prominence are pretty much in line with Neuromancer and the like. Psychopass relies much more the direct results of the tech it introduces (not just the philosophical issues, but logistical as well). The world building doesn't really stand up outside of the plot though (Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 did it better).

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IM @ S and Madoka
Who is more influential?

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What did SnK inspire? More fujoshit?

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Mainstream is influence
Madoka is not mainstream
So the influence of madoka is not as big as the madoka fans said.

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Even in a wave of humanity, he's still looking for someone to tell him he's not alone

...

You don't get your movie shown in every theater in Japan by being non-mainstream, user.

Madoka has not had his own music concert so far, indicating the influence of madoka.

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Madoka is shit

>Madoka is THE shit!
Fixed!

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Reminder that only timeless successes can qualify as the AOTD.
Based.

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Sheeit, Madoka aired this decade? I was starting to think I was so out of the loop that I missed a sequel.
SnK had more impact in it's first season. Something about the pacing or just the nature of the story made keeping up with the show not a chore..but approximating one. Madoka was one of the series that made me feel, I don't know, genuinely excited. It's one of the few that I could say that I wish I forgot about it just so I can go back and experience it fresh. The others just aren't at that level, for me.

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Madoka. It literally spawned a new genre - "dark mahoshojo". SAO just showed to publishers that shitty web novels
can be profitable.

What are frist three?

Darker takes on Mahou Shoujo existed before Madoka, but of course Madokatards know nothing about the genre.

God, Yorimoi is such a time flop. It's laughable considering how hard CR-sponsored e-celebs shilled it, but in the end the superior anime Violet Evergarden prevailed. Based Netflix BTFOing CR by having timeless classics like Eva, Madoka, and VEG while CR only gets shitty time flops like FranXX and Yorishit.

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Madoka did to mahou shoujo what SAO did to isekai, turning everything into shit I mean.
Visions of Escaflowne, Rayearth, and .hack were all pretty decent, even good maybe back in their time.

>Yorimoi
Forgot it even existed.

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The number of fans on the left is more than the right

Madoka belongs to tragedy porn as well.

At least post proper itasha.

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Wasn't Utena also mahou shoujou, technically speaking?

Fixed.

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Obviously AoT

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Ever heard of Uta Kata, Princess Tutu, and even fucking Minky Momo you Madokatard?

Yuuki Yuuna was more lighthearted than Madoka and closer in tone to older Mahou Shoujo.

>Yuuki Yuuna
>lighthearted
>story about girls becoming cripples in exchange for saving people
What??

This. Also it was actually good.

>old isekai
>didn't mention 12 kingdoms
U wut, m8?
>were all pretty decent
You might also notice that they have entirely different target audience. I struggle to remember a proper male oriented old isekai besides Familiar of Zero And even this one is debatable, I mean Inuyasha had similar dinamics between main characters and it was clearly anime for girls

>like 5 slice of life episodes, literally going to the beach and other light-hearted shit
>ends in a very positive note, way more than Madoka

>Yucky Tuna
>good
no.

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>5 episodes that are completely unrelated to the main plot
>shitty deus-ex-machina ending that gets retconnned in sequel

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Not only was it good, it was better than Madoka in many aspects. For instance, it had an actual world, and the story wasn't just throwing around plot twists every 2 episodes for shock factor.

>t. rick and morty watcher.

>it had an actual world
Nope.

>story wasn't just throwing around plot twists every 2 episodes
Because it didn't have any plot at all!

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episodes that are completely unrelated to the main plot
>build up for some of the most emotional moments in the entire show
>world-building showing how the Taisha see the heroes
>foreshadowing future events
>>shitty deus-ex-machina ending that gets retconnned in sequel
>not being able to pick up clues and figure things out for yourself
>not having read WaSuYu and Sonoko After
>it was never retconned, just more clearly explained
The fuck are you talking about?

If you weren't a Madokatard you'd be able to appreciate over 300 years of lore, but you are a Madokatard.

>waaahh, he didn't read the novels
Fuck off. Madoka was able to build great world, plot and characters in just 12 episode.
It didn't need shitty sequels to explain everything.

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It still has a greater focus on the daily life of the girls outside of being a being a Magical Girl, and it had a brighter message and never went full bleakness since there was always hope for the characters because it was character driven instead of plot driven like Madoka. It also had a unique setting with it's own history and rules.

>Madoka
>build great world
>dude aliens! and Cleopatra was actually a magical girl
Yeah no. The worldbuilding is laughable in Madoka and is just a backdrop for the events.

Madoka build world that was necessary for the story and characters.
It didn't waste time building word that was useless. It build story of magical girls and witches and incubators and Madoka's life. But that is all that it needed to do.

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Madoka built no world. The world of Madoka doesn't matter. The plot and characters are what matters, the world is our own world.
YuYuYu didn't need any sequel to explain anything. I actually think the sequel is garbage. YuYuYu, WaSuYu, and NoWaYu built a greater world, plot, and characters than Madoka.

YuYuYu needed a sequel because the story wasn't complete and the eminent threat to their world wasn't dealt with, and because Yuuna was missing her character-arc, and the sequel delivered on both.

Of course.
Madoka didn't build a world where Incubators preyed on mentally unstable girls to turn them into magical girls. It didn't build world where magical girls fought witches and each other over grief seeds.
And it didn't build a world where magical girls who reach their despair event horizon and turn into witches themselves.
And it didn't build a world where Homura looped a two-week event where she tried to save Madoka from becoming magical girl and turning into a witch.

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>grown men are discussing magical girls ITT
Have sex.

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It needed a sequel, the sequel was just shit.
So basically

Pic related look like faggots, just like you

No it wasn't. It had some of the best moments in the series. But whatever, this isn't the thread to discuss that.

>talks about magic girls
>calls someone a faggot

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WTF？

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Out of those three, SAO is by far the most influential.

You're confusing plot and world building. Madoka's world has nothing unique to it, it's your standard modern world, only it has some alien dude running around.
YuYuYu's world is built over the struggle of humanity fighting literally God, over 300 years, with civilization drastically changing over time, the structure of power changing, sacrifices being made that completely changed the status quo, 300 years of lore, its own culture, and way more. Madoka has a lot of strong points, but world building isn't one of them.

Flip Flappers sucks you samefag cunt. Learn a new trick because this shit is tired as fuck.

Those pictures are bait, don't take them too seriously.

2000 VS 2010
Whose fans are more?

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Madoka is the greatest anime of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

Nah.

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I agree

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>Flip Flappers sucks
Fuck off, plotfag.

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Madoka hands down

wtf bleach bros?

Dis

>Magus Bride
Garbage.

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It is Unironically SAO.

>Madoka world has NOTHING unique

t. Pissed YuYuYu fan
Madoka has the cleanest world building in anime and it’s very unique. Have you even seen it?

It’s unironically Pokémon and Gundam. SAO doesn’t even come close.

>madoka

no one outside of shutin freaks has heard of your "prepubescent girls running around acting "cute" as its main protagonist" series.

it's SnK and its not even close.

It’s pokem and it’s not even close. Also Madoka > SnK

Yes, unfortunately.

NGNL is better.

madoka wasnt even anime of its season lmao
madokafags reaching schizophrenic levels of delusion

Accel World is.

It literally won an award for best anime of its season “lmao”

It has more awards than either two of the anime in the OP

Gundam yes,but pokemon?How?It's just childish shounen with endless status quo.

t. Pissed Steins Gate fanboy

Doesn’t matter since the op is not going by awards and critical acclaim by higher ups in the industry. If he’s going strictly by money and merchandise sales as a form of how good an anime is Pokémon is the obvious choice.

Lantis has deposited 5 yen to your account.

>implying it wasn't doomed from the start

Normal fantasy was a lot more popular back in the day.
> I struggle to remember a proper male oriented old isekai
Those who hunt elves.
Monster Rancher.
Amenobashi.

Sure,it might have a lot of money,but just because something made a lot of money doesn't necessarily have to mean it's influential.Pokemon's influence comes from it running contiuosly for 20+ years and inspiring stuff like digimon and bakugan.

What was the AOWinter 2011 then? At least part of the reason Madoka was so noticed was because that season was otherwise a wasteland. (How many Fractales did your favorite anime sell?)

After SAO, a lot of isekais are about either reincarnation or people willingly leaving Earth, but before them most protagonists were usually looking for ways to escape the world they were trapped in (including SAO itself). what novel popularized that?

Either SAO for bringing in a wave of vidya isekai or Madoka for bringing in an era of grimdark Mahou Shoujo.

SAO probably gets the edge here in terms of influence. And I say this as someone who dropped the show at like episode 4 or 5.

Nichijou, Steins Gate, Guilty Crown, Fate Zero, Yuri Yuri, Blue exorcist, Anohana, The world only god Knows, etc. how was that a “wasteland” user?

But Madoka won more awards by a landslide and is praised by people that work in the industry and a groundbreaking anime series. As far as influential goes in the definition you’re talking about it’s pokemon though.

>sell

If that’s the case the winner is Pokémon and nothing even comes close enough for an honorable mention.

Pokemon didn't come out this decade and winning golds =/= influence.

A Pokémon anime was made this decade and awards mean more than sales because 9 year olds don’t hand out awards but they watch shows like dbz and SAO though which drives up sales which mean nothing about the quality of a series.

Can’t have it both ways. Either sales mean everything and Pokémon is the greatest anime of all time in your opinion or it’s about awards and praise from the industry in which case Madoka is the AOTD.

2ch/5ch's Top 10 Best Anime of the Heisei Era:

1. Neon Genesis Evangelion
2. Madoka Magica
3. Aria
4. A Place Further Than the Universe
5. Shirobako
6. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
7. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
8. Dragon Ball Z
9. Azumanga Daioh
10. Hyouka

Why would you even argue awards? You realize that In this Corner won more awards than Madoka, right? Katabuchi also won actual directors awards that no animation director in history had ever managed to win before. Awards at actual live action ceremonies like the Blue Ribbon and various others. Not even Miyazaki received comparable levels of recognition. If what you're looking for is the anime with the bar none highest amount of critical acclaim, then Madoka doesn't even come remotely close to MAPPAs magnum opus.

If sales mean everything then there are like a dozen franchises surpassing Madoka just this decade. If knockoff adaptations mean everything then SAO dances circles around Madoka. No matter how you spin it, Madocuck, your show will never be at the top.

Flip Flappers without a doubt

I’d argue Madoka is more influential because it seemingly permanently changed magical girl anime into something they’ve never been and almost everything released after Madoka in the Genre that isn’t already established was clearly effected by it. SAO and SnK made their Genre more popular didn’t didn’t change it in a way that really had lasting effects. They did however make the genre a lot more popular.

>there are like a dozen franchises surpassing Madoka just this decade
Lol, go on

Lol no. If you count all the awards Madoka has won it actually destroys anything from this decade and Urobuchi is CLEARLY the best writer of our time guy and no other anime had higher ups in the industry claiming it had surpassed Eva. Not even MAAPAs or whatever the hell that is. Madoka is pretty much at the top.

That's Spring 2011 you newfag.
If you are going ro troll, at least be correct.

MHA

/thread

There several darker Mahou Shoujo before Madoka they were just more niche, and traditional mahou Shoujo are still being made, just not long running ones because Precure has a monopoly on that market with a new series each year, it's hard for non pre-established franchises to compete.
And it was Nanoha that popularized the more adult oriented Mahou Shouo series way before Madoka did.

The argument was that Madoka only won an award for anime of the “YEAR” for that year because the ENTIRE YEAR was garbage when it clearly wasn’t. It’s just anti Madoka anons being crazy in all their hate for the true AOTD.

Everybody already knows magical girl anime was dark before Madoka but the problem is nothing even came close to Madoka because not only was it dark but the story was based on one of the most classic and loved tales in human history and the series is filled with lore and meaning. It’s unironically 2deep4u in most cases. There’s a very clear shift in tone from magical girl series before and after Madoka. Very clear.

Its okay user. Literacy is hard.

, the post you replied, to specified Winter 2011.

>generic shonen
>dickrides off marvel's capeshit wave, creates no trend on it's own
ok kid

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Nips AOTY

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>Girupan won 2012

Surprising, but kinda neat. That list sure does like its moeblob though.

Madoka was a very notable landmark and transformed the mahou shoujo genre again along with Yuyuyu, following the more Shonen-take that is Nanoha
Meanwhile, SAO transformed the whole industry and opened the cancerous LN adaptation floodgate. Impact wise, SAO did more than Madoka

Now LoveLive, it singlehandedly eclipsed everything else in terms of popularity in this decade

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Not only that but think about how easily it was to change the Isekai anime before SAO came about? Madoka changed the Magical girl Genre. I think a lot of people don’t understand the significance of that or just how good and better than the rest Madoka had to be to do that. If Madoka was just good it would have never came close. Madoka isn’t just good. It’s an all time great on par if not better than Evangelion.

Once again transforming the magical girl genre is a lot more impressive than changing a genre that almost didn’t exist at that point and SAO didn’t really even change it. It just made it more popular.

Madoka almost entirely changed a genre of anime as old as dinosaurs.

It’s the only anime I believe to have beat perfect execution. It’s such a well told story.

As if anyone here is well-informed and non-partisan enough to even try to answer this question.

If we're not going by the 2010s and going by 2008-2018 then obviously Naruto Shippuden.

I wouldn’t call it perfect but it’s probably about as perfect in execution and direction as we’ll ever get in our lifetimes.

How is this even a question? It’s Madoka.

The problem here is that SAO enabled a whole lot more of LN to be adapted to anime, and all of us know that most of those LNs are shit

Madoka turned the Mahou Shoujo series into something grand, yes that's an incredible feat, and it inspired a whole bunch of similar series like Yuyuyu, Mahou Shoujo Site, Wixoss, etc.
but SAO, boy it did an irreversible damage to the industry and inspired a whole generation of shit RPG mechanics modern isekai.

You can count the shows that are inspired by Madoka, but those that are "inspired" by SAO are all over the industry now

People try and copy SAO because they want to replicate that success and make money. When you look into some of the directors from shows like YuYuYu and other notable Madoka clones you’ll find they do it because they were inspired by the series and it helped make them excited to work on anime again. There’s clearly a difference in quality and once again SAO didn’t really change the genre. It just made it more popular.

When Doremi ended and Precure and Nanoha aired was when the genre split, all what Madoka did was continue what Nanoha started.

That’s a children’s series guy and it really didn’t do much for the genre as far as change. Precure and Nanoha are popular but they’re not groundbreaking in the slightest.

>changed the genre
What did Madoka change? There WERE some random knock off and immitation that tried to capitalize on its disc sales. That's it. The genre didn't change. Grimdark Mahou Shoujou already existed before it, and light hearted Mahou Shoujou a la Precure, Doremi and the likes still exist ever since. It's "changes to the genre" have been so shortlived, you barely even get Madoka immitations anymore. Showing us pretty well that it didn't change shit but merely introduced a shortlived fad.

There’s a lot of darker magical girl anime that take themselves more seriously even to this day guy. It’s pretty much all of them that aren’t already established. All of them. The hell are you even talking about?

>what did Madoka change
What kind of simple minded country bumpkin remark is that?

Almost all magical girl anime released these days are heavily influenced by Madoka unless you’re talking about series that have been around since before Madoka. The difference is pretty night and day with magical girl released before and after Madoka.

>time flop
more like anons brain flop am i right?

Since you're unable to answer the question I guess we can conclude your acknowledgement of it being a shortlived fad. That's a good start.
Yes, Prillya, Flip Flappers, Symphogear, VividStrike, Popinq, Urahara are so similar to Madoka. Not even Pleiades qualifies. Once we eliminate all the established franchises a la Precure, Jewelpet and the likes, what are we left? YuYuYu, Mahou Shoujo Site, Kakeru Taiyou and maybe 2 or 3 others that I can't think of right now. Most of which, surprise surprise, come out within 4 years of Madokas release.

Almost all magical girl anime by the way. Just, you know, not really. Nice shortlived fad.

The three episode OVA of Magus bride is the most underrated series in the industry currently.

How is it a short lived fad when even the mobile game is so successful it’s getting a spin-off anime based on it? It’s in my opinion the greatest anime on earth right now. You’re pretty much wrong about everything and the truth is you’re probably mad because you can’t stand that Madoka changed such an established genre of anime and you’re a fan of traditional magical girl anime. I bet you haven’t even watched Madoka.

He’s probably a Utena fanboy who stopped watching anime in 1999.

>what did Madoka even change

With a statement like that I wouldn’t doubt it.

Carole & Chuusday

500 for SAO

Sounds to me like you simply have no actual arguments. You claim for "Almost all magical girl anime" to be like it, yet most don't. And I didn't even mention series' like Nana Girls or Soushin Shoujo Matoi. Which, again, aren't like Madoka in the slightest bit.
He says, yet is unable to provide actual empiric evidence to prove how Mahou Shoujo suddenly changed fundamentally. Maybe watch more anime, newfag. The amount of classic Mahou Shoujo released over the course of the past 8 years heavily outnumbers the amount of Madoka knockoffs which were primarily limited to the first half of the decade, back when the money was still flowing.

>Nisekoi
how so? Everyone already forgot it.

hotima.blogspot.com/2012/03/blog-post_7542.html
In fact, madoka has also been affected by precure.
Gen Urobuchi is a fan of precure
The scene where madoka became a goddess is very similar to the last battle of HeartCatch PreCure!, even the clothes are very close.

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Madoka was influenced by tons of magical girl series. Look at the behind the scenes stuff. It’s not even close to just precure. It references so many magical girl series in the show. What’s your point? That doesn’t take anything away from the show.

I'm a Madofag and I would agree that SnK and SAO are more popular and influential, especially since they ended up running for much longer.

It also copies a lot of plot elements from Kamen Rider and Bokurano.

You can’t bring it all down to one thing. You could say the same thing about anime influenced by Eva. You can’t pinpoint exact moments that aren’t direct references because they can all be played off as chance. You have to look at it from a distance and there’s clearly a enormous difference. Clearly. Let me be clear. There’s a huge significant difference and it’s not small. It’s night and day. Magical girl anime before and after Madoka are different. It seems you’re so autistic you can’t see that yourself and you want me to bring in these weird talking points that can be easily explained away no matter what I say.*

>I’m a Madoka fan
>SAO is in any way comparable

You’re not a Madoka fan. I bet you’ve never even watched it.

Excuse me but we are all anime experts here and so far the answers have been pretty reasonable.

If we’re claiming SAO is anime of the decade here on Yea Forums I think it’s time to just allow likes and profile pictures.

It’s over Madokafags, you came too late, by general consensus the AOTD is hereby declared to be: Attack on Titan.

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That’s because of the weird way OP praised it making it seem as though the contest was about which anime brings in more money. Make an AOTD only thread that doesn’t have anything to do with “influence” and you’ll see the difference skyrocket in Madoka’s favor.

They already did. Madoka is mentioned in the majority of the posts in this thread.

>You could say the same thing about anime influenced by Eva
Wrong, because EVA influence anime beyond its own genre and has had 25 years of staying power.
>Let me be clear. There’s a huge significant difference and it’s not small.
Sure there is, Madocuck. Just so happens that you're unable to translate your fanfiction into empiric evidence.

Same with the other AOTD thread up right now. Kind of funny how Madoka always seems to get mentioned the most in these AOTD threads.

Well Madoka is still around and getting another series. This almost this entire thread is discussion about Madoka guy.

You should try watching Madoka one day user. I guarantee you end up liking it.

>this entire thread
What gave you the impression that 4channel is relevant to anime, animation, influence on anime or Japan? You're no better than reddit or MAL. Nobody cares about you.

Madoka has won more awards than either other two of the anime in the OP and was highly praised by people who actually work in the industry. The fact that the other two anime get copied a lot because other studios want to make money on something kids enjoy watching is something entirely different. Madoka changed a genre that was a lot more established and unshakable compared to SAO which had almost nothing to compete against not to mention as far as quality and story goes Madoka is hands down better than SAO and Attack on Titan. Wouldn’t you at least admit that or in your mind is SAO legitimately a better anime than Madoka?

Nobody but the im@s retard made it seem like it was about money only, if Madoka had stayed relevant for more than 3 years it would have easily surpassed SnK or SAO but that is not the case, that is not to say that it won’t be remembered as one of the runner ups to AOTD

>Madoka changed a genre
There it is again. The claim he can't actually back up despite the dozens of database at his disposal. So fucking sad. You think if you repeat yourself ad infinitum people are just gonna believe you at some point, don't you?

Somebody posted an image in the thread that answers your question. I’m not going to spoon feed you.

Madoka is easily the AOTD. Influence has nothing to do with AOTD. That’s based on the merits of the anime and how good it was on its own and since Madoka destroys both those series in awards which is the only way to judge that sort of thing Madoka is obviously the AOTD and Attack on Titan and SAO don’t even come close because the awards they have both put together don’t match up to the awards Madoka has received.

At least SnK and SAO can be runner ups though.

I’m sorry lad but the community has spoken.

They weren't transported to another world. They're playing a game with their real bodies sitting back in the real world, and their time in the games are limited by real world health concerns. Outside the Aincrad arc and the Alicization arc in particular the series loses resemblance to isekai as they're routinely logging off, and significant parts of the story take place in the real world. And of course in the Alicization arc significant parts take place in the real world as well. If part of the plot of an arc is 'the place the MC's body is gets raided by mercenaries, his brain fried by a power surge, and his allies need to risk themselves in the real world to fix it' then you sure as hell aren't in another world.

More generally, SAO falls into the cyberpunk genre. It just replaces diving into "the Net" with diving into VR. It's a very early cyberpunk where they're just getting brain interfacing computers, power suits that grant improved physical abilities, cybernetic limbs that are indistinguishable at a glance from real ones, robot bodies that can pass as human, sentient AI to go in such bodies, and so on, but all of those things have shown up in SAO or AW.

Most influential anime of the decade
Pokémon

AOTD
Madoka

/thread

Yea, the anime community nominated Madoka for several more awards that it won. The community clearly knows what it wants.

It’s kind of crazy that people in this thread think these are both the same question.

On a serious note though Madoka is 12 episodes guys. There’s no reason not to watch it if you haven’t seen it already. Guaranteed you come out the other side calling yourself stupid for even comparing it to low level anime like SAO and SnK after the series. It’s definitely worth the time to see it.