I don't understand

The way episode 26 played out was the original vision. It's actually episode 25 that was meant to be more like 25'Air.

Conglaturation

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>me
may as well repost this

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Shinji accepts instrumentality and it clears away his depression.

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And you seemed an honest man.

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end dump

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this is never uttered once in the song you posing memester

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Shinji comes to the conclusion that despite the harmony and peace of instrumentality he would still like to be himself even if it means being judged and hurt by others.

His family is proud of him and congratulates him only finally being able to accept himself.

So if Seele and Gendo both wanted the human Instrumentality project to succeed and were successful in the end. Why did Seele have to massacre Nerv?

Just watched the ending, its total garbage and doesnt make any sense. Were those around Shinji real people or Shinjis projections? What happens afterwards, does everyone experience an eternity in their private heaven or hell?

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> Why did Seele have to massacre Nerv?
Gendo wasn't going to execute Seele's design for Instrumentality, his only intention was to reunite with Yui, everyone else could get fucked for all he cared.

gendo and seele visions of the instrumentality were fundamentally oposite, gendo wanted to use the power of the instrumentality, seele wanted it to become like gods on earth, to both of them instrumentality was a means to an end and i think both of them failed

Watch EoE, disgusting Netflix subhuman

>disgusting Netflix subhuman
Achually I use Bakabt

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I interpret it as Shinji given a therapy session before being welcomed into the collective instrumentality.
Everyone at the end scene is real finally, but are part of instrumentality.

Something along the lines:
Shinji: "AHHHHH I HATE MYSELF I AM SCARE I WILL CLOSE MYSELF OFF"
Everyone: Try loving yourself and having friends
Shinji: So i can achieve happiness? I will accept others into my life and be happy!
Everyone: Congratulations (you did it. You overcame your autism)

the virgin EoE vs the chad episode 26

pretentious ending for a pretentious show

How were the Seele guys who were old geezers in life support expecting to be the new leaders? Once they get turned to Tang then all humans are equal

There's nothing to understand. Fans of the show defend this as being "art". It's actually just pretentious trash from a hack director.

EoE: Rei betrays Gendo, handing control of the SEELE initiated version of instrumentality to Shinji, who rejects it.

25/26: Rei doesn't go against Gendo, Gendo's version of instrumentality occurs. All are one.

>Just watched the ending, its total garbage and doesnt make any sense.
Everyone's AT fields were forcefully broken down by the third impact and their souls were amalgamated together into a soupy orange super-consciousness spanning the earth where everyone peacefully coexists and is completely open to the thoughts and feelings of everyone else.

>Were those around Shinji real people or Shinjis projections?
They were the souls of his family who could understand Shinjis thoughts and intentions due to instrumentality.

> What happens afterwards,
Shinji decides to reject instrumentality and becomes and individual again, he allows anyone else who would like to be an individual the possibility to reject instrumentality as well.

only good ending with something resembling a meaning.
everything else is utter trash

they were going to be the ones to start the instrumentality and take the position that shinji took, but gendo wanting to use the power of instrumentality for himself screw their plan and started instrumentality before they were prepared

Why does it have dead people in it?

CONGRATULATIONS!

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Because it's the souls of all humanity, the chamber of guf may seem like just stupid religious crap, but it isn't.

>Shinji decides to reject instrumentality
but that's wrong you faggot

omedetou!

Congratulations!

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He literally says he wants to be himself and keep on living it could not be any more blunt.

But *how* was Gendo planning on using Instrumentality for his own ends? At what point did his and SEELE's plans diverge?

but that's correct you faggot

We don't know, Rei sells his ass out before he can even get started.

>he allows anyone else who would like to be an individual the possibility to reject instrumentality as well.
I thought everyone would have to reform. I don't see how they have a choice to remain soup.

Goddammit. This is what I fucking hate about Eva. I can never tell if what I'm missing is deep lore not present in the series/movie or just Anno's shitty production.

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Towards the end of EoE Rei voiceover explains how people will need to seize life with their own two hands.

This lines up with what we saw in Episodes 25 & 26 - the entire human race is going through trials of their own consciousness, each ultimately making the decision to either stay as LCL or return to human form.

there's no indication that shinji even has a choice to accept or reject instrumentality

doesn't gendo say as much?

It's easier once you understand there was never any deep lore, just pretentiousness and Anno being pretentious as fuck in order to cement his place in anime industry by tricking retards into thinking they are smart for making up theories for an anime that doesn't make any sense after the first cour

He controls EVA-01 which wields both spears which are keys to black and white moons which are alien engines that hold dominion over all life, including angels on earth.

He is free to shape all life, including his own however he likes.

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no
not in tv ending, or in eoe for that matter

There is no implication in End of TV that Shinji has control over instrumentality.
He decides to keep on living, but does not explicitly reject what instrumentality means.
He can keep living as "himself" but is he going to still be aware of what is "himself" when it took the others to make him realize he could be happy?

What about Fuyutsuki? I was sure one of them said that it was up to Shinji to make the right choice.

Its like this:

Original plan for instrumentality was to use Lilith's Flesh and Adam's Lance of Longinus once all the angels were beaten. This was what SEELE and Gendo both agreed to.

Gendo has Lance chucked at the moon, and SEELE no longer trust Gendo.
So they tell him they're gonna use Eva-01 as their impact trigger (using the MP-EVAs as their control) instead because now it has an S2 engine. This doesn't fly with Gendo, because Yui is in 01.
Gendo's plan is revealed that even without the lance, he can use the Adam embryo to still imitate an impact with Lilith's flesh, with Rei as his obedient control. Manga and the NGE2 game elaborate that Gendo's instrumentality plan would be akin to a VR world, where there is no suffering.

thanks user!

One detail I forgot, the reason Eva-01 works as a Lilith substitute and not any of the others is because it is the only Evangelion derived from Lilith.
All other Evas were made from Adam.

that's in eoe

I feel you bud

Your interpretation is wrong. They literally do an entire segment about how we define ourselves based on what we are not (i.e. other people). The whole thing is Shinji struggling against intrumentality by developing a sense of self-worth. That's why the art for the other people becomes more defined as he grows more accepting of his place among other people. Instrumentality is the world of white with no boundaries and only Rei's voice.

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If its developing his self-worth, why is the final scene everyone congratulating him?
Including Gendo.
If he developed a true sense of self-worth, he would know he doesn't need anyone's congratulations, especially his father's.

Additionally, Yui is there. Yui is not part of instrumentality.

Thanks for posting these, I've never seen them and it was an interesting read.

There's no reason to be upset. Most of the "major" components of the setting and side plots are not explained. It's not a problem with the show; actually, it heightens the drama of the conclusion by leaving you dazed and somewhat lost - like Shinji certainly was.

Most of the questions that are raised in the show (e.g. "What was SEELE trying to accomplish and how did it differ from Gendo's plan?") aren't answered because the questions aren't relevant to the actual story and theme of the show. The series isn't "about" mecha fights and global conspiracies - it just "has" them. Similarly, knowing how a hyperdrive or lightsaber works, or whether stormtroopers are conscripted, has no real bearing on understanding Star Wars.

You fundamentally cannot get the approval of others in instrumentality because the concept of the "other" doesn't exist in it. All are one. By realizing that he has a place among other people, Shinji develops a basis for establishing his own self-worth.

He's being welcomed in to the collective.
Once he accepts, that will no longer be the case, but he had yet to.

you are reading in things to eotv's instrumentality from eoe

2deep4u

Is ok i don't understand either.

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why cant shinji just get in the cool robot and fight the monsters

Neither does the author.

I'm pretty sure the TV ending actually depicts Shinji's process of "instrumentalization" as in merging with others, which is symbolized by the glass (AT field) breaking at the end. The captions during the episode also pretty explicitly say that what we're seeing is the process of instrumentality in the case of Shinji.

The whole baggage of "Shinji will choose for all humanity" doesn't exist in the TV ending, in my opinion.

But he did in episode 19 and see how that went

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kino

You stupid

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