I think I'm slowly sinking into the idol shit rabbit hole

The day you become an idol-fag is the day you lose any shred of self-respect you once had.

Nah,the real deal would be really niche franchised like idol jihen or asterisk live.

We have that here on 4channel?

Please play Re:Stage

Every series in this image has more soul and fun involved than your standard love live or idolmaster shit.

Fuck gacha

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Zombieland is just Love Live with a gimmick.

Symphogear has literally sold its soul

OG Idolmaster anime was good despite having some real bad episodes (Like Hibiki being saved by her pets), Cinderella Girls was disappointingly bad.

yeah the last one got me too bro.
Zonbi Rando is a great fucking show though and the Shrimpy episode made me cri even though the threads for that episode were nuclear cancer.

To be fair idols were different back then compared to modern idols.

bananice!

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They're actually idol anime unlike the ones in the OP.

But Symphogeah isn't idols, it's mechamusume with singing

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>shit "music"
If I wanted to play a rhythm game it'll be Tokyo 7th Sisters.

Fuck that game, they should fix their shit detection first.

Is the gimmick the actual presence of males?

im@s has males too

Don't disrespect Love Live like that.

What do you guy's think of ときめきアイドル?It's an idol VR game.I think the concept's good but holy FUCK is the gameplay clunky.

What if I only listen to their songs?

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>died after one year
The mobage could have done with some survival tips on how to stick around for 55 years like T7S, the Hamburger SV of idol games.

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>ZLS
>not idol anime

You're getting there,but you must mention what so we can judge you how entry level you are.

Gameplay's fine, it's the standard note-drops-from-top affair. At least Konami had the decency to add an autoplay feature.
And surprisingly it's actually still going on - the game is dead but apparently the project is still active and they're getting new songs and shit

Why do you keep complaining about the detection anyway? It's fine. I'd think of things like the extreme jewness and fucking high event tiers if I wanted to think about problems with the game.

Symphogear has literal idols and concerts, plus live events.

Is Starlight really about idols though? I thought it was about butai shoujos. They are pretty similar though
>groups of young attractive girls
>sing and dance on stage
>wear flashy costumes

Because it's shit.

>slightly higher rates for the highest rarity cards than other idol gacha games (9% for the guaranteed card compared to 3% for other games)
>extreme jewness
Wew.

PreCure and Nanoha also have, but no one will say they are idols.

Https://www.marv.jp/special/precure_live/

Https://cho-animedia.jp/event/92603/

Idolshit is fucking great, just don't become like disgusting nip idol otaku who worship purity and act like cringy faggots at concerts.

>9%
Only on the last 10th card on a 10-roll, the other 9 cards are on a normal rate
You'll also see what I mean by extreme jewness when you actually try to play in an event and find out you'll be getting nowhere without the event multipliers from event-specific gacha cards that change every event

Dude,9% is huge.Love live has a 1% UR rate,both SS and ML have 3%,bandori also has 3% 4star rate.All of them have doubled highest rarity rates(in LL's case tripled) every few months,but none of them come even close to the 9% rate.

>trips of truth
Also, pic related is somehow the most popular geah despite being used goods. I don't understand idolfags.

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How come so many people consider ZLS to be a parody of the idol genre? I've only seen about 3 episodes, but it didn't really seem any different from other shows in the genre.

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It's only for the guaranteed. The other cards are all standard 3%. Hence only slightly.

>Is Starlight really about idols though? I thought it was about butai shoujos. They are pretty similar though
>>groups of young attractive girls
>>sing and dance on stage
>>wear flashy costumes

It's theater somewhat on par with Takurazuka

>9% for the guaranteed card
No one reads these days.

It ain't guaranteeing anything when 3-stars/SRs are practically useless in any game

I think the definition of idols is like this. The concerts should be held at least in the stadium. The number of people who watched the scene every day should be more than 10,000. This is the real idol.

Less than the above standards are not true idols.

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Denial.
ZLS is straight up a gateway drug for Idol shows. It lures people in with the comedy and unique premise, then feeds them regular idol shit in such a way that it doesn't seem like it at first, but it totally is.

By the third episode, they go full idol and the audience is trapped.

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Nah. They're idols if and only if they consider themselves idols.

>trapped
I see what you did there

So idolmaster/LL/T7S/whatever VAs that don't consider themselves idols aren't idols?

Chris is not used goods, she was just forced to build pyramids and shit.

BanG's concert was watched by 30,000 spectators in two days, about 15,000 a day, to reach the minimum standard of true idol.

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Yes. Merely acting as idols does not mean they're idols (in their case, they're acting in character). Now if they were part of some group like AKB48, then they're idols.

Ever heard of the term 'underground idols'?

That's an interesting perspective.For me the definition would be either:

a)They're a part of a RL idol group
b)They're a part of a 2d idol franchise and perform on stage(If they've never done that,I only consider the character they play an idol).

But of course,if someone doesn't want to be called an idol,they have every right to that.

Examples?

t. lucklet

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Every time I get a golden card it turns out to be memoria and I hate it.

Just hang in there. It will be alright.

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LLS killed my love for idolshit until I discovered Revue Starlight. Pretty underrated anime for what it is.

Same reason people claim Konosuba to be a parody of isekai.

Just watch Love Live (not sunshine)
It's the greatest idol anime ever made

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>orphaned in a South American country
>half white, half jap
>looking like that
You're delusional to believe she hasn't been raped countless of times.

> (OP)
>Revue Starlight isn't idolshit. It's art.

This.

Bakaren

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Starlight was never school idoru.

The movie was very good,but season 2 had some panst on head retarded melodrama.Same for sunshine,except in reverse and the movie is just good.

The way I see it, if a franchise has loads of songs sung by cute girls sold by albumfuls of CDs and they have highly advertised live events where the VAs of said girls dress up and sing those songs, it's an idol franchise (bonus points if tickets to those live events are only available through lottery in the CDs).
So Bang Dream, Starlight Revue, Symphogear, all of them are idol franchises even if the producers and fans claim otherwise because who the fuck are they kidding, they are literally just idols with gimmicks.
Meanwhile things like Project Tokyo Dolls or Omega Quintet are not idol franchises even though the characters are technically idols because those are the other way around - just RPGs with an idol gimmick.

it started out that way, pure and innocent
now it's idol gacha garbage

It's a pretty fun game and it's not idol.

>what are multimedia franchises
you can enjoy the anime on its own and never touch the gacha
people who can't comprehend this are even dumber than idolfags themselves

why are junko's eyes purple in this screenshot?

But ZLS is the only idol anime there.

Starlight and Geah
>both have songs sung by characters in show
>franchises that heavily depend upon song album sales and live concerts
>VAs dress, act, and sing in character at said live concerts

Still doesn't make them idol anime.

>franchises that heavily depend upon song album sales and live concerts
Revue Starlight has musicals, not concerts.

>meanwhile T7S has rivals get get triggered as fuck whenever someone dares call them idols

I played the middle on release and quit because I hate gacha Shizuha the best, are there any new units for her other than Halloween, Pirate and base?

Potatoes potahtoes

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That's just how the Japanese entertainment industry works, user. Going by that, Haruhi would be aidoru too.
Symphogear is definitely idol-adjacent and has many idolfags in its fanbase, but Macross is the better example of a mecha franchise with proper idols -where it deals with the music industry, the issues that come with fame and popularity, character advancing in their careers as the backbone of the plot and the likes.

Should I give another shot to revue? I don't remember much of the game other than I didn't like the main mc and the first song you're given.

Did you watch the anime? If not, watch the anime. If you did and liked it, then give it a go. The rates are shit but the game is pretty generous with the re-roll and there's an ad gacha going on now. The best time to start the game was a couple of weeks ago when the ad gacha just got started and we had a kirafest event but now's a good time as well. The story is nothing special but it's pretty decent and fun, and the new girls are charming.

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>didn't like the main mc
Karen doesn't get any better. The main leads, Karen and Hikari, are pretty bland desu.

Hikari is lovely.

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Oh so the anime is mandatory for the game? I wasn't expecting that.

> Karen doesn't get any better.
Goddammit.

>Oh so the anime is mandatory for the game? I wasn't expecting that.
retard

watch it for banana instead

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It's not mandatory but you'd be confused as hell without it. They expect you to know the Seisho girls and reference events from the anime several times. It's a great anime and it's worth watching regardless so you should do it.

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I love her outfit. Reminds me of the confederate army uniform from the American Civil War.

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>It's not mandatory
Yes it is you yuri-hating shitposter.

You need to read someone's entire post before replying. Also,
> RENT FREE

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I read your post, you retard. You have used the same images with the same stupid filenames to make anti-yuri shitposts and you keep talking about that het rape doujin so you can't possibly pretend to not be some kind of deep-cover shitposter. Kill yourself already.

Revue is for pseuds who are entertained by obtuse phrases being uttered for no reason. It is completely brainless when you look at it closer.

2deep4u

> ...but you'd be confused as hell without it
> it's a great anime and it's worth watching
That aside
Read more carefully next time and stop obsessing over posters on an anonymous image board
t. Plotfag.

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Revue is like the soap opera equivalent of idol anime- melodramatic and over the top.If you don't like it,that's fine,all I'm saying is that this show has a defined "goal",so to speak and isn't fluffy and aimless like a lot of idol shows.

You know it really doesn't help whatever your cause is when you describe your favorite anime as 'the soap opera equivalent of a fluffy and aimless genre'

One character (two if you count dead characters) was an idol, but in the show they're more like power rangers and don't sing for audiences

>don't sing for audiences
But they do in a meta sort of way

Yes user, go down that hole, it's perfectly safe and you will not end up snorting children's shows off a mascot's ass.

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>Tsubasa
>Maria

Idol shit is trash

I wouldn't go this far, but I did think it could have definitely been better. It really fell apart in the second half of the series. Just a waste.

Why do you think it fell apart?

The Nana reveal was the peak of the series. After that, it felt like they for whatever reason wanted to go in a different direction, and just decided to end that story line quickly. I know the show likely wasn't flying by the seat of its pants as the animation never suffered terribly, but it made it feel like there were some time constraints in writing the scenario, as the story just felt much weaker and more rushed, at least when compared to episodes like 3 and 6. I mean, who could forget the revue where, against all common sense, Karen beat Nana in like 30 seconds.
And speaking of Karen, I don't think she ever really became a lead that the other characters would realistically galvanize behind (despite the fact that they ultimately did), nor did she have that effect on a good amount of the audience, iirc. Not to mention the fact that I found Hikari's self inflicted dilemma silly as well. By the time the last few episodes came around, I just couldn't be bothered to care about the story anymore and just finished it simply because I'd already gotten that far.

Would AKB0048 fall under this category?

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>Zombieland Saga is Amagi Brilliant Park but instead of an amusement park it's a prefecture
And zombies

>Zombieland Saga is Amagi Brilliant Park but instead of an amusement park it's a prefecture
I mean, theoretically yes?
It's just it's pretty vague when Saga is actually saved since it's real, compared to the park which is fiction and can have proper ending in this regard.

Banana was my favourite part of the show too, and it was a little unsatisfying how little a part she played in her focus revues (mostly her lack of presence in the songs themselves), though the revue of solitude was my favourite overall anyway due to the incredible visuals and transition into a part two that I wasn't expecting at all. I don't agree that the direction it took after that was misguided though. Admittedly this is just an interpretation I found and agreed with rather than my own (it's an analysis video, I can link it if you'd like but I'll sum it up anyway due to the general disposition towards those) but essentially, Karen and Hikari's goal is to topple the "top star system," which the show has represented by Tendou and Claudine. They're both at the top of the hierarchy according to the Takarazuka rules (Tendou is tall, Claudine effeminate, etc.). It makes more sense that they would be the end boss. Nana is someone who also thinks there's something wrong with the system, but her reasons and methods are misguided (why that is should be self-explanatory from the show). Therefore she's still an obstacle for Karen and Hikari, but not their "true" enemy. I hope you can understand this.
Regarding the last two episodes, I don't think it was ever the show's intention to portray Karen at that point as a lead - she has inherent traits that prevent her from being a lead - it was more about her as just a friend to the girls. Whether you thought their friendship had been convincingly built enough is up to you. I thought it was.
Hikari at the end is somewhat similar to Nana in that she chooses the wrong method for how she thinks to fix the system. Of course Karen shows up to save the day and it's a happy end.

sooo basically modern idols are shit

So did the Ninja Turtles.

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Never seen any idol shows.
Are they just the same boring shit as K-On?

No, idol shows are actually about music.

Then that might be a bit better.

Macross Frontier is the best Idol Show ever made.

>Symphogear
>Idol

>Macross

x idol show
o show with idols

I thought the Nana arc was the low point, personally. It felt like they tried too hard for an epic Madoka time loop twist without the writing staff to actually pull it off. Episode 7 should've featured the full battle between Nana and Maya with the full extent of the twist being that Nana wins. Then 8 can go as it did more or less untouched, and in 9 let Nana kick Karen's shit in for longer than three fucking minutes, then Hikari can show up and save her to tie up how she wasn't able to back in 3. I can only assume we got what we did either because of executive meddling asking for the epic tweest or budget/schedule constraints making it impossible to get Nana's VA to do three songs.

Also get rid of the giraffe breaking the fourth wall at the end. Just mute all his lines entirely in that whole sequence. It's just an ugly blemish on an otherwise solid climax that miraculously recovered from a bad arc.

I really enjoyed how episode 7 went. I don't think that having a fight with Maya would add much to it and would just soften the blow. Episode 9 could've used some more time on the actual revue since it's way too short, but I guess that they wanted to add more scenes with Junjun at the end and didn't have enough time.
I have more of a problem with how episode 10 went, where they spent way too long on Hikaren going to tokyo towaa to repeat the same thing instead of trying to have more scenes with Maya, who was pretty undeveloped on the anime (perhaps this being the reason she became so popular among fanartists).

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It's idolshit for adhd brainlets.

The writers’ intent by having the giraffe break the fourth wall was to make the audience more than just an observer; to remind them that they’re ultimately the enforcers of the system itself - it wouldn’t exist otherwise. Despite catching me off guard I found it thought provoking and certainly not out of place with regards to the themes as a whole. Why do you disagree with it?

Didn't Precure literally make idol groups out of the characters, grouping them by colors and shit?

Slightly related, but I think the Giraffe's speech about how we the audience cause the suffering of the girls by demanding even greater performances would have actually worked better if it happened in the mobage itself rather than the anime. Watching something is passive; the events still unfold as the creators intended without the audience being able to affect it at all. Where as in a game, you the player are directly involved in the literal sacrificing of your weaker girls/cards to power up your stronger girls/cards.

Yeah, it’s just a bit of an inherent shortcoming there given how it was meant as an allegorical criticism for something in which the audience is an active participant (live theatre).