Is this achievable natty?

But Zyzz was constantly cutting, wasn't he?

It's achievable fatty

No, he just gained muscle really. Supposedly he barely did any cardio.

>he just gained muscle
That was what I was intimating. His diet wasn't made to get him big; it was intended to only produce muscle. The guy at the beginning was asking what would happen if you got Zyzz's build and then started eating everything in sight.

Oh I took the first post wrong and thought it meant going from skinny to built.
For the user that asked, they just plain look fat at some point. The fat hides all their muscle.

When will we find out if Mr.Olive Biscuit is okay?
Nobody is going to fight in the next chapter, so it's either the next one or one after that?
The fact that he hasn't been mentioned at all makes me think he just needs a couple of steaks and some good wine.

Why do I get a homoerotic vibe from this?

why does no one talk about the netflix series on here

It's probably because you're a faggot.

I think you know why

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i actually got into the series through the netflix series, then went back and read the manga

Sounds like something a faggot would say.

nice try, faggot

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Funny jokes aside, you are aware that this authors previous work is a manga about men putting on makeup, right?

No, it isn't, you retard

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What's it about then?
Makeup in general?

>Miake Kousei
>The protagonist. He is a young genius make-up artist who awakens the beauty sleeping within people. Sometimes, the miraculous make-up jobs borne of his "devil hands" can even change a person's fate; therefore, people call him 'the son of Venus'.

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Roidmonkeys, man.
Destroy your whole life to get a body that women don't even like.

A manga about a man putting on make up.
So it turns out that I was correct and you are the retard.

You know exactly what you intended to mislead people into.

Well a male makeup artist isn't among the most masculine and straight sexual things out there.
And in the context of homosexual fantasies I would deem that I was pretty accurate in what I said. Even if I didn't say it exactly like it actually was.

Projecting.

That doesn't even make any sense in this context. Are you sure you even know what that word means?

>men can't be cosmetologist unless they're gay
and you're calling me out on drawing lines from nothing? I don't see how going into a make up career= liking dick/in your ass.

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Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I will bet you real money that you will a disproportionate amount of gays in the makeup industry compared for example construction work.

>Big buff bara men wouldn't fuck with hard hats
>men wouldn't want to work with women's skin all day
I can spin it to fit my narrative too.

Yeah, but as you can see you need to do a spin whereas I don't.

I'd say making assumptions is a spin.

Not in this context.

Look, a huge amount of the manga isn't about the make-up. Remember that it's Itagaki. Almost all of its chapters are about what the make-up represents, or about the nature of the power of beauty.

In one chapter, he has the protagonist say that, while the brightness of the sun can make a traveler take off his coat, a woman's beauty can make Tyson and Schwarzenegger strip naked. In another, a dying elderly woman finds a reason to live in her make-up. That's the kind of manga Makeupper is.

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>I miss when Baki was all about the training aspect and fitness
Really only the first series and a few bits after that. Itagaki's gotten crazier and crazier as the series has gone on, for better or worse. The series still has it's weird specific charm that no other series really has though I guess (Kengan's a love letter to it to an extent but it is pretty different in tone and overall feel, and is it's own distinct thing at this point)

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Zyzz was juiced to all hell anons, please don't think you can do the same without gaining fat and muscle.

>the manga isn't about make-up
>it's literally all the ins and outs of make-up
user please..

Do you think Itagaki reads Nietzsche? Yujiro is basically a textbook example of the Übermensch.

Immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour to be fair.

In the case of Make-Upper, it's wholly to do with aesthetics and bringing out beauty in women. The concept of "physical beauty" is something that's always gone hand in hand with bodybuilding and other such concepts. It's not a story about a dude wearing make-up or something. It is bizarre though, yeah, but that's just Itagaki for you. We've both probably seen weirder though honestly.

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Are you trying to argue that a male make-up artist is somehow hyper-masculine or what are you referring to?

He's referring to this post you moron:

Why did he reply directly to me then?

This. Also i am pretty happy that Kengan does it own thing. A baki clone would be boring.

>those traps
>those delts
>that bloated stomach while still having extreme definition
No

Where do I start if I want to get into watching current professional sumo?

>Immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour
I don't see the issue with pointing out the abnormality of an unnatural depiction of the male human form. Shouldn't the observation say more about the person who created the depiction rather than the person pointing it out?

Yeah probably, character is built around enforcing his will on the world. But its only one aspect: strength. So it isn't reall Nietzsche, more like a simplified take so common nowadays.

Some user recommended "Jason's All-Sumo channel" on Youtube to me. That's where I watch all the tournaments.

I think you don't. Baki is much closer to the ubermensch than Yujiro.

Retard, Baki is nothing like the ubermensch, he doesnt want to impose his will on the world he doesnt even take his desires and will to the extreme. Yujiro does both.

>Implying this body is achievable at all

You just have to stomp the ground for years user

Shit like that isn't all bullshit tho. It's totally possible to get your heart racing and build a sweat with just a stationary breathing technique.
I'm not saying all of this isn't stretched to impossible levels of retard in baki, but shit like that isn't completely beseless.

Baki's gimmick since late Son of Ogre is literally the ability to supernaturally project his imagination into existence. Yujiro suborns his strength to man-made institutions, i.e. his relationship with the U.S. government (yes, it is subordination even though he is 'dominant' in that relationship, because he is looking to an outside body to verify his will to power). Again, I don't think you've actually read Nietzsche.

For a whole chapter, Oliva's landwhale woman will be nursing him to health.

>I think you don't.
You don't need to be like that.
That's actually a very interesting analysis.

because the conversation followed on and is related to the point made in that post? If you're saying that you're not the original user then don't reply I guess, like you I'm replying to an overall point someone else was making

>I don't see the issue with pointing out the abnormality of an unnatural depiction of the male human form.
That's what hyper-masculinity tends to be, especially in manga form. If you're going to say that you've never heard of over-exaggerated muscles or manly figures in manga before I'm not going to believe you, sorry dude.

>Shouldn't the observation say more about the person who created the depiction rather than the person pointing it out?
You're ignoring everyone was just talking about fitness until you got the post saying "haha is it just me or does this make you think of gay people?"

No it wasn't, it was actually quite the opposite.
>don't reply I guess
If someone else makes a stupid mistake, trying to argue my point with something someone else said, I'm the one that needs to shut up? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that.

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Only if you do SS + GOMAD

>That's what hyper-masculinity tends to be, especially in manga form. If you're going to say that you've never heard of over-exaggerated muscles or manly figures in manga before I'm not going to believe you, sorry dude.
That doesn't make the observation invalid, and whether or not I have seen a depiction before has zero effect on the validity of an observation.

>You're ignoring everyone was just talking about fitness until you got the post saying "haha is it just me or does this make you think of gay people?"
I wasn't taking part in the original conversation to begin with, I just randomly jumped in the thread to make my comment, there is no law against that. I don't know why you are trying to bring the hammer down on me because I pointed out how I find a bloated ball of muscle with no clothing weird.

jesus just fuck each other already fags.

When did the autistic high school ladyboys you guys talk about most of the time become normal and stuff like this become homoerotic? Makes no sense

>it's a random assumption episode

>Are you trying to argue that a male make-up artist is somehow hyper-masculine
"In the case of Make-Upper, it's wholly to do with aesthetics and bringing out beauty in women. The concept of "physical beauty" is something that's always gone hand in hand with bodybuilding and other such concepts. It's not a story about a dude wearing make-up or something. It is bizarre though, yeah, but that's just Itagaki for you. We've both probably seen weirder though honestly."

I'm allowed to make an assumption based on how you fags generally act aren't I? Or is what I'm referring to going over your head somehow

I see you posted the same thing again, but could you give me a straight answer to a simple question?

Don't be so angry dude. It's okay to get BTFO'd every now and again.

It is a straight answer though
I posted it again because you somehow didn't refer to any of it when asking what I meant, I assumed that you missed it or something the first time

Yea Forums literally acts like stereotypical lonely middle-aged women. Favorite topic of people here is how ugly (fictional) chicks are, shipping wars, and yaoi. Especially in series where none of that is involved, you always get at least one person trying to redirect discussion into one of those things.

Yes, in a Sauna

Hanmasama :)

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What did I say that was wrong?

It isn't. Just some opinionated rambling about your opinions and assumptions.
Are you trying to argue that a male make-up artist is somehow hyper masculine, yes or no?

>Olivia gets wrecked by memesumo
>Baki and Shibukawa wreck memesumo
Is there going to be a plot reason for this or what? I know guys within the main group like Doppo and Haneyama got stronger sometime inbetween Son of Ogre and Musashi-Dou but this supposed gap between them and Olivia seems ridiculous

In case you forgot, Oliva got dabbed on by Shibukawa on the arc he was introduced.

How exactly does a fat man fall in every direction?

Imagination.

>It isn't. Just some opinionated rambling about your opinions and assumptions.
Where am I rambling?

You said that the user who said that you were projecting your closet faggotry "made no sense in this context". All I said that immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour.

I then very explicitly start talking about Make-Upper and what it's about contrary to what you were saying, which you're ignoring for some reason. It's wholly to do with aesthetics and bringing out beauty in women. The concept of "physical beauty" is something that's always gone hand in hand with bodybuilding and other such concepts. It's not a story about a dude wearing make-up or something. It is bizarre though, yeah, but that's just Itagaki for you. We've both probably seen weirder though honestly.

>immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour.
Could you point at an instance where I did such a thing?

Also could you answer this question
>Are you trying to argue that a male make-up artist is somehow hyper masculine?
With a yes or no. Like I already requested you to do.

>Could you point at an instance where I did such a thing?
said you were projecting your faggotry
here you said that it made no sense to say this
I said that immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour.
What are you finding difficult to follow here exactly?

>Are you trying to argue that a male make-up artist is somehow hyper masculine?
No, I didn't argue that. The second paragraph in my post that clearly starts with "In the case of Make-Upper" is what I said in regards to Make-Upper.

>projecting your faggotry
Could you point at the faggotry I demonstrated? I'm really having a hard time following your chain of random assumptions.

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>Could you point at the faggotry I demonstrated?
said you were projecting
here you said that it made no sense to say this, so you at least knew what that user was referring to, you don't need me to spell anything out for you here
I said that immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour.

Have you now decided that you don't feel like talking about Make-Upper anymore despite hounding me to repeat myself over and over?

>natty
More like fatty

Shibukawa has this weird trait by which he never seems strong outside of when we're explicitly watching him fight. Like, it never occurs that he has beaten Koushou, Doppo and Oliva in fair fights.

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Holy shit just stop responding to that esl faggot already
You idiots fall for the most obvious bait I swear

Koushou got robbed honestly, O MY PROSTHETIC EYE was bullshit
Shibukawa is a more likeable character and Koushou's since been dropped from the main narrative so no one cares though

It's probably just one user samefagging

>O MY PROSTHETIC EYE was bullshit
It felt like he let Kousho get that hit in anyway.

You have yet to point me where I demonstrated an act of faggotry.
I said it didn't make any sense to say that because it didn't. Me saying it not making sense is a clear indication of me thinking that what was said is not an accurate response to the given situation so why are you giving me.
>so you at least knew what that user was referring to
when it is clear I didn't have any idea where that comment was coming from?
>immediately thinking of homosexuality when presented with hyper-masculinity is pretty literally closeted homosexual behaviour
Where did this thinking of homosexuality occur? I don't understand.

I'm fine talking about Make-Upper, but I would like to clear this thing up first.
If you are going to post the same thing for the third time tho, you don't need to bother.

I still don't get it.

That reminds me, does Haneyama have a prosthetic eye now too? His scarred eye is a slightly different color in close-up panels now

You know Hajime no Ippo's omnidirectional super duper space-time dempsey roll nonsense? Replace "dempsey roll" with "sumo body" and it's basically just that

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dude was obviously on steroids though

looks like the "up to speed" guy

I think he feels a full weight push in every direction when he approaches imaginary sumo guy.

>implying there is a single professional athlete who isn't roiding

Correct me if I'm wrong because I really am clueless on this shit
but roids can be used carefully and in extreme moderation alongside exercise and diet without causing harm, right?

Car racers?

I know F1 racers have to be fit too or something so don't rule it out

None of us do. I even talked to HnG's translator about the lines before publishing because of how unclear the point was, and he confirmed that I wasn't hallucinating and that it makes no sense.

Basically in the same way that a vegan can pretend having a healthy diet. Seems to be possible on paper, but in practice it never happens for some reason.

It's a point of extreme dispute of whether or not rikishi use or have used steroids. They don't test for steroids and have no established punishments for steroid users, which would imply that they have a strong presence in sumo - but, people only ever talk about one or two rikishi per generation whom they believe to be on steroids. For instance: nobody ever points at Ichinojou or Konishiki and says, 'there's a guy who's huge for a reason'. But, they point at Tochinoshin and say, 'oh, look at his delts, he's obviously a 'roider.' Well, with the rules of sumo as they are, there's no reason as to why one wouldn't think that every rikishi is a heavy steroid user; yet, people are quick to defend any average or poor-performing sumo wrestler as clearly natural, because how would they be so shit if they were on steroids?

It's a weird, complicated conversation which has no easy answers; just more questions.