So in 1939 the Speedwagon Foundation (i'll just refer to them as SWF from now on) had a shitton of money, contacts and resources plus the best scientists and engineers in the world. At that time the Nazi scientists and engineers could revive and make a cyborg of someone who had literrally blown to pieces.
However in 1989 the SWF couldn't revive a dude that not only had died a just couple of hours ago but also whose only injury has a small donut on his stomach. Despite having even more resources and knowledge, then they had 50 years ago. Skip foward to the 90's or 2001 and Polnareff didn't call Jotaro to inform him about Diavolo. Which after confronting him, left Polnareff paraplegic. A condition that Polnareff could've easily had he contacted Jotaro, who would have then requested the doctors and engineers of the SWF to install prothetics. Then since they knew who Diavolo was, what he did and what his stand was they could've come up with a plan to defeating him, since: they are both higly skilled and powerful Stand users; they know other powerful Stand users like: Josuke, Koichi (and in this situation Kakyoin) - plus the SWF could find other powerful Stand users; they could've used Joseph Stand to locate Diavolo; and could even request the SWF to gather intel on Diavolo and his organization since the SWF is a Multinacional Mega Corporation and Diavolo's organization only covered Italy.
Diavolo was holding the country by its balls. Polnareff couldn't have contacted anyone without being found out. That's the canon reason, atleast.
Justin Green
araki forgot.
Charles Edwards
couldn't get passed the first sentence without cringing.
did you miss the part in the manga/anime where they explicitly state that Diavolo has a stranglehold on Italy and communications going in and out? of course not, you're a speedreader/speedwatcher who can't use critical thinking to realize that trying to contact the SPW would have gotten Polnareff killed.
Juan Thomas
Not OP, but for some reason I don't remember the manga explaining this, but the anime did it pretty well. Pol was essentially imprisoned within Italy and couldn't send any communication to Speedwagon or Jotaro because Diavolo controlled everything and would've picked up his location and just killed him
Andrew Powell
Diavolo was ready to literally erase the population of an entire city from existence if there was a risk of somebody finding out his identity. /Pol/ did nothign wrong.
Levi Sanchez
He could have used the SWF channels. Diavolo may control the country, but not such a powerful and independant corporation (one that is heavly associated witht the Joestars).
Jordan Green
When were SWF channels ever mentioned in the manga?
Ian Stewart
>they could've used Joseph Stand to locate Diavolo Joseph could be too senile to use hermit purple correctly just like why he didn't use hermit purple to find kira. >Request the SWF to gather intel on Diavolo and his organization since the SWF is a Multinacional Mega Corporation and Diavolo's organization only covered Italy even the people from passione(his own organization) are having a hard time finding out who diavolo really is. what makes you think SWF can do better than the people from passione, who's the closest to diavolo? >A condition that Polnareff could've easily had he contacted Jotaro, who would have then requested the doctors and engineers of the SWF to install prothetics. wait, are you saying that polnareff get the prosthetics from SWF?
Daniel Jones
「STAND MASTER」 HACKRAKI 「STAND NAME」 I FORGOT 「ABILITY」forget things
Noah Davis
It isn't though and now you have to post parts you actually like so I can laugh at you.
Austin Scott
He fucking hacked into Bruno’s goddamn computer and told him everything he should’ve told Jotaro. Then don’t forget that Diavolo thought he was dead as fuck so there was nothing to worry about.
Just admit that Araki is a fucking retard already and Part 5 is the worst damn part.
Carson Green
But Polnareff is considered dead. Are you telling me that Diavolo's people would inspect every phone call, letter and package sent to every person Polnareff knows just in case? Even when we are shown that Diavolo had almost forgotten the guy?
And even if they did that, Polnareff could just send a mail to people he doesn't know asking them to send a letter to Jotaro.
I can buy Polnareff being unable to leave the country, go to the police, or the press, but there are a ton of ways in which he could have contacted Jotaro. Even if Diavolo somehow knew that Jotaro was a Stand user and Polnareff's friend.
Plus, Polnareff had presumably been in Rome for a while and begging for money would only get him more attention, so he had presumably found a job, which means he found a fake identity and an appartment. Meaning Diavolo isn't that omnipotent
Adam Sanchez
>mods decide to delete a budding jojo thread for absolutely no reason at all.
Polnareff was in hiding and couldn't contact the SWF.
Julian Gray
Mega Coporations usually have their own comunication systems.
Also we are supposed to believe Diavolo contolled the country. But Polnareff still moved from of farm in the country to the heart of the Italy (Rome). So couldn't he, I don't know, crossed the border? Just change the hairstyle, maybe paint it and that's it he's unreconizable from image both the authorities and Diavolo have of Polnareff (plus being in a wheelchair without legs helps).To cross the border he could've paid a smuggler that transports migrants (something which is quite commom in these farms in europe).
>even the people from passione(his own organization) are having a hard time finding out who diavolo really is. what makes you think SWF can do better than the people from passione, who's the closest to diavolo?
they would have his name and face
>wait, are you saying that polnareff get the prosthetics from SWF?
That's where Joseph got his. Besides the Nazis could revive a dude that had blown to bits, and even back then the SWF was as good/better than they were.
Dylan Morgan
You're the retard for not understanding that Polnareff wouldn't want to endanger Jotaro, which is completely consistent with how self-sacrificing he is.
Eli White
>creates assumptions for a situation that is left purposefully vague >gets angry these assumptions, that you made up, haven't been addressed
Brody Stewart
>they would have his name and face how? >Back then the SWF was as good/better than german science. citation needed also joseph got his prosthetics from the germans not the SWF.
Benjamin Phillips
>how? Pol has them.
Anthony Ward
If he couldnt walk, why the fuck would he even get prosthetic legs? We see in the anime he didnt actually get cut in half at the waist and he fucking has robot legs while he's in the wheelchair. Why is the wheelchair even there? Why doesn't he have a cane?
Elijah Allen
and? he couldn't tell the SWF about it.
Austin Price
How the fuck did he get to the upper floors of the Colosseum IN A WHEELCHAIR?
And Jotaro's heroic. Honestly, even if Polnareff couldn't contact anyone outside of Italy (which is pretty unbelievable considering Diavolo legit thought he was dead) how do you explain Jotaro not suspecting the lack of communication from Polnareff and going to Italy looking for him?
>Koichi was talking to Jotaro about stands on a wiretap >they mention Giorno has a stand >passione doesn’t get intervene
James Reyes
Between rotting away in a wheelchair and letting Diavolo get more and power, or contacting the only man he knew that could help him and possibly defeat Diavolo. I'm sure he would chose the latter.
>Back then the SWF was as good/better than german science. >citation needed
Part 2
>also joseph got his prosthetics from the germans not the SWF.
Yeah, and who built him new arms in all the times he broke them during part 3, the zombie Nazis?
Ethan Rivera
Is JoJo even worth continuing after part 3? I started watching 4 but I dropped it after 3 episodes.
how does that relevant to diavolo? giorno isn't a passione member yet at that time. >Part 2 SWF hasn't shown to be able to do anything as miraculously as german science in part 2, not even close >Yeah, and who built him new arms in all the times he broke them during part 3, the zombie Nazis? that's fair. But he didn't broke his prosthetics as often as you make it out to be.
Aiden Hall
>Part 4 doesn't get good until Episode 4, keep watching. it doesn't get good until kira
Carson Williams
go back to morioh, slice of life fag
Thomas Howard
LOL well memed, i laughed.
Daniel Perry
i doesn't get good until ''the end'' screen pops up and master race part 5 starts.
Jack Myers
remember in Yea Forums we use "kek"
Matthew Mitchell
>SWF hasn't shown to be able to do anything as miraculously as german science in part 2, not even close every one on part 2 (and even 3) comented how the SWF had the best scientist, engineers and how hi-tech their shit was, had that the fact Speedwagon himself was one of the richest men on the Planet. Since they them buitl Joseph his arms is safe to assume they had to reverse engineer the original one (so they can defientivly make protestis). Add that to the fact that in the final battle of part 2 Stroheim had vampire killing implant that the SWF had designed and installed on him - so it's also safe to assume that during the installation process the best scientist and engineers in the world would surely have studied Stroheim's miraculous tech.
John Perez
>every one on part 2 (and even 3) comented how the SWF had the best scientist, engineers and how hi-tech their shit was, Yeah but it's obviously not that advanced since the world's technology level was still about the same as real life. There are no flying cars or immortality potions.
Brayden Walker
Yeah, why didn't the Speedwagon Foundation cured Kakyoin's donut when the Nazis could revive Stroheim?
this
Eli Evans
>Yeah, why didn't the Speedwagon Foundation cured Kakyoin's donut when the Nazis could revive Stroheim? because you know, you can't bring the dead back to life.
Benjamin Walker
Another anime only fag looking for consistency in fucking JoJo, just enjoy the ride faggot.
Logan Sanders
>Joseph's soul flies away >Gets revived >Jotaro tells Josuke that people can't be brought back What the fuck happened to Jotaro's "Impossible?!" speech at end of Part 3?
Wyatt Parker
I've been here since 2012 and I don't care to use your special variant. I use it sometimes but nothing's wrong with LOL, despite you might getting reddit-triggered by it.
Dominic Ross
don't forget the whole thing with bruno
Dylan Barnes
JoJo really went to shit when it stopped being about manly men.
Xavier Wilson
aesthetic
Jason Sanders
Can you even read? Stroheim was blown to fucking pieces, yet they revived him. But Kakyoin couldn't be revived from a donut in his stomach. Yeah right.
Joseph Green
This is the worst Jojo part so don't worry.
At least we have to look forward to the next part with Jolyne
Ryan Lee
posts like these are why Araki killed everyone and reset the series
Leo Lopez
I tried reading the series after part 3 and it was like...eh.
I mean part 2 and 3 were probably the highlights of the series, although part 3 was kind of stand user of the week.
Part 4 introuduced a whole bunch of characters that nobody cared about, like that chef that appeared for a few chapters just to cook a meal. I mean, what was the point of that?
And the art started changing to Araki's fetish, it becomes VERY obvious that Araki is secretly gay when he started drawing all the characters as stereotypical, effeminate males. Just compare the art in part 2 and 3 to the later parts, its just...no.
I tried reading the part with the mafia and again, whole bunch of characters that nobody cared about and characters like Giorno dressed like gay porn stars for no in universe explanation, because its just Araki's fetish.
I managed to finish the part with Made in Heaven beacuse I was hoping Jotaro would do something, but the whole cast was basically setup to fail.
James Watson
>what was the point of that? Part 4 was a slice of life with stands since the start.
>it becomes VERY obvious that Araki is secretly gay How do you know? Your gaydar told you?
William Butler
OP here. Letting you know that Part 1 is still the best as well as Jonathan and Dio
part 3 is the 2nd worse IMO (Stone Ocean takes that prize). Some of the Egyptian stands are pretty good but that doesn't compensate for all the plotholes, dumshit and generally boring events. Part 4 is better since the stands are for the most part more creative and the events are funnier. Part 5 is just part 3 but with better characters (except Giorno), better stands, less boring shit, the trip is around Italy and not he world and the main villain is the devil and not god. Part 1, 2 and 7 are best.
Ayden Young
in 39 it was the nazi party that revived Gail
Bentley Thomas
WHO THE FUCK IS THE MAIN VILLAIN IN FUCKING JOJOLION
Gavin Perez
I'm beginning to think that it's just gonna be couple of people being bunch of dickheads working for their own goals instead of having main one.
Nathaniel Brown
Joseph was a fake-out, same with Okuyasu. You, as the audience, were being tricked into thinking they died.
Bruno actually died, he is a zombie, there were zombies since day one.
Jonathan Green
>Polnareff being in contact with SWF
Jack Butler
So this isn't gay to you? You do know actual homosexual men tend to prefer big muscular dudes right, you've heard of bara?
Stroheim didn't die you dumbass. That's how they revived him.
Daniel Sanchez
>Joseph was a fake-out his soul literally flew into the sky like everyone else that died, stop defending arakis asspulls
Connor Hill
It's still a fake out if he came back, you idiot. You were tricked. Complain about it all you want but the point is Joseph never actually died, he was just on the brink.
Gavin Jones
More like Araki brought them back after literally showing them getting killed off. Really kills the tension when people don't die when they are killed. Abdul's revival was believable and the reason for secrecy because of Polnarref works. I liked how Abdul wasn't plot-armored because he came back.
Wyatt Gutierrez
>ew jojo is like gay now, i miss when it was about muscular half-naked men cradling each other
Polnared made an alliance with gangsters to take down Diavolo. That's because he felt Diavolo was so dangerous there was no other way to take him down, it had to be an illegal approach. I think it's fair to say that neither Jotaro nor the Speed Wagon Foundation would have agreed to ally with gangsters, to have them betray their boss in exchange of turning a blind eye and letting them take over Diavolo's business. The SWF is a legal entity and Jotaro refuses to compromise with injustice. The SWF would have failed trying to deal with the problem legally, Jotaro would have attempted to face Diavolo head on and he would have died.
So, what happens to the cop whose body Mista shot in the mouth?
Wyatt Edwards
I Blame Koichi for not telling Jotaro about Passione just because some blonde kid who stole his stuff told him to. He could have gone to Italy get Josuke to fix Polnareff and use his time stop powers to beat Diavolo.
Jeremiah Bell
>I Blame Koichi for not telling Jotaro about Passione just because some blonde kid who stole his stuff told him to. koichi doesn't know about passione. from his perspective, it's just giorno fighting some automated stand.
Connor Turner
>because you know, you can't bring the dead back to life. Joseph's soul left his body and gave his grandson a thumbs up. and He was dead whatever time Jotaro fought Dio in Cairo.
Then again, its Joseph we are talking about, he should be an exception not a rule.
Little off topic but araki fucked up by under utilizing pic related. Had such a cool fucking design (go ahead, shit on me for him being edgy to the max) and stand ability that could have been better developed given the chance. Would have loved to see him more and the way he died was so fucking underwhelmingly bullshit.
>A condition that Polnareff could've easily had he contacted Jotaro But the mafia controlled communication lines and Jotaro was too busy swimming with dolphins to be scouring deep web chat rooms
Kevin Campbell
>Jotaro refuses to compromise with injustice >doesn't pay restaurant bills when the food doesn't conform to his subjective tastes
Tyler Scott
Bucciarati's ability to calmly and quickly determine the nature of any situation is still so impressive to me. He's seriously one of the best Stand users we have ever seen, up there with masterminds like Risotto. I still can't get over how ridiculous it is that Polarneff is now a fucking turtle. I didn't expect the Stands to attack their users in response to approaching the Stand Arrow. That's an interesting development. I honestly thought Bucciarati's body would never wake up, seeing as it is supposed to be dead. Now that I'm rewatching the episode, it just makes it even sadder seeing Narancia want to talk about going to school and getting pizza. His death was so out of nowhere, just like Abbacchio's. What a painful way to go too. It was immediately obvious that he died instantly. It looks like one of those metal rods pierced his brain. I really liked the symbolism they had with the bird flying away. We even got to see Fugo again, which according to other comments was a David Production original scene. Well done. I wonder how that split personality thing would work. Prior to that development, there was a body for every mind swapped, so throwing additional minds in there without a body is weird. Does Diavolo even have a body? It looks like it was just his Stand that was walking around. Diavolo is a pretty smart dude too, being able to rationally conclude that Nariancia was the most dangerous member of the gang then. I almost felt bad for Chariot Requiem, seeing it fall on its face so miserably. They have possession of the arrow, so what now?
Thomas Davis
Good taste, user. Metallica is easily my favourite stand ability, alone due to how versatile it is.
Julian Morales
>the way he died was so fucking underwhelmingly bullshit He was too strong for his own good. Araki probably realized halfway through the Metallica fight that he accidentally made a Stand that hard-countered the "unbeatable" King Crimson so he had to scramble to knock him out of the story.
Luis Roberts
He knew it was some gang stuff even if he didn't know the scope of the organization. He at least knew some guy was using a stand to poke people with an arrow.
Julian Ward
Wait, I'm confused. Does Chariot Requiem control other peoples stands for trying to grab the arrow or is it the arrow repelling the stand users? I read the manga already but always thought Chariot Requiem controlled the stands.
Liam Jenkins
He was overpowered as shit, so his death was going to be bullshit anyways. Maybe it's better we didn't see more of him just to get an even crappier ending.
Xavier Evans
>the world's technology level was still about the same as real life. Shit I didn't know we had cyborgs and fully functioning prosthesis
Lucas Ward
2, 3, 7, and 8
Aaron Myers
>part 4 gets good
Jaxon Edwards
>8 yikes
Zachary Walker
yeah i just read it again. giorno actually tells him about the organization. koichi really should have told jotaro about the organization that has stand arrow in their posession. really no dignity
Parker Nguyen
The beetle (who is a reference to the Beatles) is a Stand user, Cariot Requiem is its Stand.
Jace Bennett
>Does Chariot Requiem control other peoples stands for trying to grab the arrow yes
Leo Stewart
How did Diavolo putted Narancia in between the bars anyway? He can skip time but is not like he can merge people inside objects.
Colton White
Yeah well I like all those too but still fuck you. How's that?
>Narancia starts talking about how he's only one day away from retirement >Diavolo immediately kills him
At least The Boss has a sense of humor.
Brody Turner
What if Germany actually did have all that stuff, but it was destroyed and forgotten after they lost the war? Stroheim seemed pretty convinced that it was SEKAI ICHI after all
I just finished the episode that he gets killed, does boss-senpai live up to Risotto's cool factor?
Jacob Jackson
how did he even survive both leg cut off which means arteries gushing out, get a wheelchair and fake legs ?
Nolan Morales
It looks like he tried to throw him through the gate but he got snagged and gravity did the rest of the work. What if KC wasnt really "trying" to kill him but figured "ah fuck it" anyway after it happened.
Jayden Ross
They thought Polnareff was dead so they had no reason to monitor his communication.
Wyatt Phillips
>whose only injury has a small donut on his stomach
You do realize that DIO punched through organs, possibly ribs, and his spine, right? Not to mention that he was slammed into a building after this and then bled out while water spilled through his gaping wound.
Ian Thomas
Nice quads.
Ian Hughes
Stroheim literally held a grenade when it blew up and came back stronger from it. Joseph lost a hand and fell from the stratosphere and was perfectly fine.
Anthony Torres
Resolve and leftover plot armor from Part 3
Jonathan Thompson
>Polnareff didn't call Jotaro to inform him about Diavolo.
Did you not pay attention to the end of the Black Sabbath fight?
>they could've used Joseph Stand to locate Diavolo
Yeah, just like how Hermit Purple found DIO and Angelo, right?
Bentley Russell
I just said i already read the manga, I know that doesn't happen.
Evan Robinson
so why didn't Bruno get the crew to annihilate Diavolo's body and then simply destroyed either Chariot Requiem or Polnaturtle to win?
Angel Lopez
>no swapped girlfriend needing to pee when in her boyfriend's body Hopefully that's in the next episode but I kind of doubt it. I imagine they wouldn't cut Doppio's death though, just move it closer to the Diavolo reveal.
Thomas Thompson
>THE NAZI’S COULD MAKE CYBORGS! How does it feel knowing the wrong side won user? >Why didn’t the SWF repair Polnareff?! Probably because he never called them or Jotaro. If he did then Diavolo would know right where he is, kill him, and take the arrow. Cope harder.
Josiah Lewis
Bossu is pretty cool though Doppio is better.
Levi Evans
Killing Bruno in Diavolo's body wouldn't do anything. Diavolo's soul is still around with KC. Killing Pol in the turtle wouldn't affect SCR either.
>simply destroyed either Chariot Requiem They're trying to destroy SCR. It's harder than it sounds.
Evan Foster
Because killing the body only kills the person inside it. Chariot isnt tied to polnareff anymore
Brody Hall
They don't just monitor his communications. The mafia has intelligence everywhere. I mean you could risk wheeling yourself around to get into contact with jotaro but that just puts the arrow at risk which is what he wanted to protect at all costs.
Isaac Hughes
>Bring back one of the most based protagonists only to shit all over him
Why Araki
James Ortiz
They would totally be alerted by someone reaching out to foreigners telling them about their secret criminal organization.
Adrian Cooper
He didn't look snaged, he was merged with the bars as if he got teleported on them.
>just read reddits episode 35 thread Why do these fucking faggots believe PHFanfic is getting animated? I can't even scroll through the thread without stumbling across "this definitely means phf is getting animated" at least 10 times in a single scroll. DP shiould focus on Stone Ocean and not this gay fanfic.
Luke Reyes
This is Diavolo. His whole shtick is that he's ludicrously obsessed with erasing every trace of himself. Monitoring communications from a "dead" man isn't out of character.
Nicholas Richardson
Im pretty sure diavolo bent the bars and them impaled narancia
Isaac Watson
Yikes at your yikes
Joseph King
Considering he found a way to skype with anyone that does a google search on Diavolo and not get found by Passione, I think he could have just emailed Jotaro.
William Walker
>Speedwagon was like 80 by the time of Part 2 Wow he should have lived so long
Making him tragic isn't shitting on the character. Polnareff is only more beloved because of his bad end. Shitting on him would be to make him the butt of jokes again.
Tyler Taylor
Does Jotaro have a computer?
Julian King
That was a last case resort and a desperate risk he was taking. He needed traitors that were already willing to risk everything to go against the boss.
Ryan Sanchez
His whole backstory is tragic, why does he need a tragic end as well? To job to Diavolo after taking down DIO was just pathetic.
Jace Murphy
Maybe he was more of a "discard bitches acquire riches" type. That's the vibe I get from Speedy moreso than anything homogay.
Christopher Evans
First it's only Naples with some 700ish members controlling hotels and ports and then suddenly he's ''in-control'' of the whole goddamn country. It's completely retarded and Passione's structure makes no damn sense. Also Polnareff could contact whoever after he was presumed dead and forgotten about by the mafia and meanwhile became a random superhacker to boot.
Matthew Russell
He never took down Dio, Dio kicked him aside like trash while Jotaro did all the work.
Joseph Wilson
If Diavolo did a search for himself on the fucking internet any time at all before Buccariti did, he would have found Polnareff and killed him. Why set up something that risky instead of emailing Jotaro.
Kayden Fisher
He finished off Vanilla Ice, not Dio. He stabbed Dio through the head and got bitch slapped for it. It didn't even distract him enough for Jotaro to land anything close to a final blow either.
Hunter Jones
MAYBE JOTARO SWITCHED EMAILS THEY LAST SAW EACH OTHER IN THE 90S HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SWITCHED EMAILS IN A DECADE HUH? DOES JOTARO EVEN CHECK HIS EMAIL? DOES JOTARO EVEN HAVE AN EMAIL? WHO KNOWS? POLNAREFF SURE DIDNT
Gabriel Anderson
Polnareff literally came flying out of nowhere and jobbed to DIO. This is better treatment desu.
Ethan Jackson
>Jotaro gets call from polnareff >takes him like a day to get to polnareff >arrives only to find a donut at best and a berserk chariot running around at worst
Aiden Smith
There is homo erotic and then there is faggotry. Even the old greeks understood this.
Joshua Ortiz
Not sure why this was a reply.
Christopher Bell
>HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SWITCHED EMAILS IN A DECADE HUH? Zero. I still use the same email from when I was 13 and I'm 27.
Ryan Nguyen
>arrives only to find a donut Kek
James Mitchell
Except he even almsot forget abot him. And for someone who had the complete control over Italy, Polnareff sure went from a shitty farm somewhere in the country to Rome, and lived in the colosseum whith no problems at all.
Daniel Bennett
>and a berserk chariot running around at worst That sounds like a best to me, from a viewer's perspective.
Christopher Sanders
>Except he even almsot forget abot him more like he thought pol pol was dead.
Do you put the email you made as a 13 year old on your resumes?
Kayden Lopez
Irrelevant. His face means nothing and his name means as much as calling him ''Boss'', so still nothing. He jumps around the country with no problems and hides in the form of Doppio anyway. Araki wrote himself into a complete corner with this character.
Brayden Moore
What are you blabbing on about? It's not retarded to believe that a powerful criminal organization is monitoring communications throughout the country. Passione isn't restricted to Naples, Naples is just an area particularly harmed by it.
Xavier Flores
Honestly, who cares ?
You watch JoJo for the fights, for the asspulls, for the emotions, the characters, not for the fucking plot
Jeremiah Sanchez
We need to have a conversation about Stand Abuse.
Chase Barnes
Yep.
Owen Jones
Polnareff didn't know any of that. He just knew that traitors had uncovered the boss's identity, making them on his side and trustworthy enough to give the arrow.
Zachary Wood
He could've easily sent a letter to Joseph (since he's a millionaire everyone knows here he lives) under a easily recognizable alias (like silver chariot, jpp, your egyptian travel companion, abdul's french friend). Then joseph/suzie q or one of ther buttlers would foward the letter to jotaro
Thomas Wood
Mind over matter fights that end in one hit are always better than punchfests. It's honestly the direction most shonen should have gone by now.
Gavin Peterson
More like who cares about nitpicking the writing of a decades old manga that the author has learned from since then.
Dylan Young
Because Giorno is shit. Just call Jotaro.
Oliver Evans
>learned If only he didn't FORGET
Liam Hall
kinda difficult to enjoy all that when there's so many stupid shit, plotholes, boring moments and inconsistency across the board that take you completly out of the experience
Benjamin Watson
>hm today I shall endanger Joseph and his elderly wife
Grayson Robinson
YES, CALL Jotaro and see what happens to him. You know those threads about "What if Dio and Diavolo fought" Well, despite Dio's victory, Diavolo was commonly agreed to land the first hit. Jotaro is Dio without the vampirism. He's a dead man.
Eli Cox
You can say anything about JoJo, but besides part 3 I wouldn't call any volume boring
Adrian Watson
>mailman working for passione sees the letter >damn looks like somoene's trying to take down the boss... i bet i'll get a raise if i let the higher ups know >diavolo decides to send cioccolata and secco over to give Joseph and Suzy Q a visit
Cameron Bailey
Araki is my dad so I got some secret info. In the SBR verse polnareff gets into contact with risottos gang instead of Bruno and risotto gets Metallica requiem and is the main villain of part 9
The fights are garbage though. Araki can't choreograph for shit and his paneling sucks. Muh bizarre shit and it's murder-mystery nature are the only noteworthy aspects of the art/writing.
Ethan Campbell
I just started watching this few weeks ago, I'm currently half through part 4, and yeah the writing is utter shit, it's literally "turn off your brain bro" show, but the ridiculousness of it still makes it fun and I enjoy it.
Joseph Lewis
this is such a lazy response to any criticism towards JOJO.
Jeremiah Cox
>Araki can't choreograph for shit and his paneling sucks. Yikes
Jacob Gonzalez
Can you even pierce metallica with the arrow?
Dominic Gutierrez
I don't think you have much of a brain to turn off anyway, animeonly.
Grayson Murphy
>sees the letter And what does he see? Content of every letter he handles? How big of a chance is that it's gonna be one of Diavolo's cronies that has Pol's letter? "Someone's trying to take down the boss". Boss who?
Isaiah Collins
First off, fuck you. Jotaro would wreck the shit out of that homo. Second, assuming Jotaro did find Polnareff before going to fight Diavolo, he'd get a requiem from the arrow first.
Jace White
Just stab Risotto.
Alexander Jackson
it's not like this criticism is much better
>why didn't Jotaro beat the bad guy up!!!
Benjamin Wright
Imagine being this much of a homosexual. That's barely a step above solving your problems through dialogue or some dick-sucking nancy shit luke that.
Anthony Morris
Yeah i get that polnareffu couldn't contact with jotaro because diavolo had total power over communications in italy but that doesn't explain why jotaro didn't look after him, i mean if i suddenly loss all contact with my partner i'd assume he has gone into some messy situation.
>Araki is my dad Since Araki had only a daughter, you must post you nips tits or gtfo user
Noah Flores
It's the way great properties like YYH and JoJo work though. You can't say those aren't superior to punchfest shonen. High IQ fights are far more interesting.
Daniel Green
Why can’t a movie be made? It makes more sense if it’s from Part 5 since Japan loves that part.
Nathaniel Diaz
>jotaro arrives in italy looking for polnareff >asks someone anything about polnareff >diavolo finds out and sends an assassin after jotaro >its risotto >jotaro dies
Jose Allen
From Polnareff's perspective it's still not a risk worth taking. Also what would he even do if he called Jotaro in and gave him the requiem arrow? He doesn't know where Diavolo is, but Bruno's gang had already uncovered his identity.
Dominic Collins
Part 1, 2 and 7 are the only ones that are good from beggining to end. And what do you know they are also the most consistent ones despite all their stupidity and bizzarre shit
>assumes passione know who polnareff is despite even Diavolo not remenbering him >assumes the passione or even Diavolo know who the Joestar are >assumes any one (but the Joestars) would recognize the meaning of a letter like: Mr joestar, please ask for your grandson to come to the Colusseum in Rome. It's a matter of the upmost imporance. Your egytian travel companion/Abdul's french friend/Iggys owner/chilver chariot
Isaac Ward
>Point to one vampire in Part 7 or 8. Way to continue missing the point. >Why does that matter? Morality is still a thing and degenerate or immoral behavior is still a thing. It matters because comics for teenage boys frequently portray bad behavior as cool.
James Morales
Is Purple Haze Feedback actually good and gives Fugo the closure he needed or does it just feel like fanfiction?
Eli Ross
I'm his bastard son and hes making up for lost time by telling me Jojo secrets.
Lincoln Reyes
Polnareff found him by killing a few Passione members. It really wouldn't be that hard for Jotaro.
Isaac Foster
>Yikes Do you have any argument besides paying retard? Go back to playing retard to whatever shithole you crawled from. Araki is no Otomo or Inoue, that's for damn sure.
Joshua Wright
Part 1s middle section is awful
Carson Ross
Part 1's middle is weak and Part 2/7's beginnings are weak
Brayden Perez
>Diavolo not remenbering him diavolo does remember him, he just thought polnareff is dead.
Angel Wood
>killing Polnareff didn't kill them, he just roughed them up for info.
Colton Hill
2 is absolutely moronic, it is genuinely the stupidest part. I am rereading it right now, it is dumb as balls.
Brayden Adams
This is now my canon Pol only got so much plot protection before it ran out.
Daniel Ross
The latter.
Luis Mitchell
FPBP
Blake Cooper
Do you have any arguments besides saying retard a lot and then namedropping popular manga artists.
>all the ESL vermin posting is bleeding out of DBS threads into Jojo threads because the anime is getting too far
Jose Brooks
Post an example of bad paneling
Adrian Stewart
7 has a great beginning apart from the Sandman inconsistency.
Matthew Foster
Jotaro would be a terrible match up for the pink haired faggot. More experience, stronger stand, special power is even more broken(reaction time is better, no matter what he does, once his time erasure ends and he goes for the kill Jotaro just has to be quick enough to shout the world). That's why Araki nerfed him in part 4 and 6 and he wasn't in part 5 aside from a couple panels speaking on the phone. It's typical though. This happens in tons of shows, anime, movies, etc. You "forget" about certain characters that would end the show quickly.
I can see Jobin dying but it's bittersweet and he dies to save Mitsuba or Tsurugi.
Isaiah Long
What is with Part 8 and characters having the undercut hairstyle? Why wasn't it set in the 40s instead of modern times?
Cooper Wright
>high IQ Convenient asspulls aren't high anything (except for the author's blood levels of hallucinogens) and YYH's every major fight was as much of a punchfest as DB's or Kinikuman's. I can't believe I'm gonna have to remind you people love and Cherish Yusuke vs Chu, while hardly anyone remembers what's his face faggot with that gay super power that made people unable to infringe his taboo word. God, I'm falling asleep just recalling that.
Jayden Young
>we want the zoomer-kun audience
Cooper Walker
Part 1 middle is the build up. Without it you can't have Jonathan vs Dio on the castle, which to his day is still one of the fights in the entire series. Besides it wasn't awful, we got Zepelli, vampire jack the ripper, hamon training, bruford battle (SUN LIGTH YELLOW OVERDRIVE), hamon leaf kite flying, zepellis death and memes from speedwagon and dio. The only bad thing about it was tarkus.
Lincoln Scott
It's still boring shit.
Julian Edwards
The answer is that they had the superior chad german science
Gabriel Jackson
And the NSDAP died along with their technology before Polnareff could get fixed up by it. Joseph only has a robotic hand because it came from the nazis.
Owen Robinson
Araki is that you? But seriously you’re retarded as fuck for actually thinking he’d endanger their lives but not Jotaro’s when he has timestop abilities.
How fucked in the head would you have to be to let innocent people get fucked over for one dude’s safety? You Jojofags are so fucking stupid.
Zachary Howard
then there is literally no good or fun part in JJBA
Hard to get fixed up by the nazis when there are no nazis. It's like people don't even believe in German science.
Charles Cruz
How did joseph get new hands in 3 then
Jordan Green
Simple reason is because you cant just use Jotaro everytime to save the day. What's the fun in that?
Henry Stewart
4>3>5>2>1
Parker Anderson
4>2>5>3>1
Ryder Price
I like Giorno. He got Jonathan's heart and Dio's mind. He's a good lad.
Connor Hughes
Ruining a story by bringing in a character who could instantly win is just as bad as ignoring said character the whole time. Besides, Giorno wins by getting the exact power he needed to beat Diavolo. Is that really any better than watching Jotaro beat the shit out of that pink haired faggot?
Joshua Cox
Yeah that’s why people are kicking the shit out of it right now. Fuck outta here inmediately.
Cooper Bennett
5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
4 is overrated and doesn't get good until Kira shows up.
Jonathan Torres
Even if they could, he'd lose.
Jayden Jenkins
Anything is better than jotaro wank, ill enjoy seeing job twice in stone ocean
Jordan Collins
This, 7-2-1 are the best.
Adrian Myers
>He got Jonathan's heart >Finds cruel ways to kill his enemies >Wants to becoming the biggest crime boss in Italy so he can make them stop selling drugs to kids, but doesn't care about extortion and human trafficking Fuck Giorno.
Cameron Ward
7>4=5=6=3>2>1
Luke Thomas
What is the matter with you?
Jack Jones
jotaro wont win against diavolo if they fought anyway. there are reasons why araki needed to make GER to beat diavolo.
Aiden Peterson
Bitches please: 7=1>2=5>>>based
Ryder Turner
Post stands that could beat king crimson i will start
Giorno heals the wounds on his body that Narancia died in and transfers to the empty husk.
He could've done the exact same thing to Polnareff's body and let Polnareff transfer back, but then we'd have a dead turtle.
Michael Jones
No way king crimson would just delete the time GER uses his ability and besides all his stats are 0
Angel Ortiz
Araki has proven time and time again that he doesnt plan shit more than 2 fights in the future. Ffs a character in part 6 was a fucking girl in the chapter they were introduced and then a dude in their next appearance because Araki thought that part 6 needed more sausages. He doesnt plan in advance, Jojos is solely for character interactions and cool fights, nothing else
James Hall
I’ve been saying that all year because the asspulls just wont stop.
Wyatt Clark
How though? It makes clouds, big fucking deal.
Brody Lee
if act 3 touches him it's over, has the both Diavolo and KC get disabled so to say. Then koichi only has to pull a gun on him and shoot the faggot he could use act 2 to distract or injure him enough to get close
You're right about medical inconsistencies, but a call sent out to Japan would have raised some eyebrows mate. >m-muh why don't other stand users get involved They're not fucking superheroes man. Characters only ever do things because it affects them personally. Why the fuck should Josuke and Koichi risk their lives for the sake of fucking Italy? The only one I'll ever be a bit mad about is Giorno missing from part 6 since Araki went as far as to mention it, but I would have been even madder if Giorno waltzed up to Pucci and requiem'd him.
Brandon Hall
he remove the oxygen from the room like emporio did to pucci
Luis Cook
I thought the same exact thing, lel
Kevin Lewis
>if act 3 touches him that's a really big IF there.
Henry Lee
Pol said his soul was still clinging to life
Jayden Brooks
7>4>5>3=2>1>being forced to eat horseshit>stepping on a lego>6
Everyone in part 4 could have ignored Kira and let him continue killing ordinary women, but chose to band together and stop him instead
David Johnson
Unironically agree even if some of my favorite characters appear in Part 6.
Jace Wright
>but chose to band together and stop him instead Only because of shigechi's stupid ass.
Jack Jackson
Because it was their town man.
Liam Stewart
>Even the old greeks understood this. by having sex with little twink boys?
Brayden Collins
Jotaro didn't live in Morioh
Logan Gutierrez
>why is an unknown man with a bizarre codename trying to send a letter to an American billionaire who has ties to a shady international corporation?
Nathaniel Butler
It's Jobin, literally who else could it be? Do people really think it's the head doctor?
Jace Nelson
>jojo >consistency Bruh, there are too many plot holes to list in your natural lifespan, because araki either forgets or adds in things out of the blue if he feels like it. Most consistent is part 7 and only cuz it takes places in another time line. But it's still fun and that's what matters.
Most based taste in this thread, just put 6 a bit higher and it'll be perfect.
Adrian Brooks
You're not as smart as you think dumbass. Polnareff lost three of his friends. He didn't even go to Italy with Jotaro, it makes sense he wouldn't want to get him involved.
Nolan Flores
He was babbling about how they need to hold on to hope against Diavolo, and if there's anyone he knows that he can hope to have a chance against Diavolo, it's Jotaro.
Ryder Carter
like they would go trough every letter there, and evern if they did the letter is simply to vague to understood as a threat to Passione. Also as far has I know mailing services don't open people's letters, but I may be wrong about this
And it's explained he couldn't contact him because he didn't want to risk being found out. Contacting strangers in the country who know about Diavolo's identity was the safer bet, which turned out to be true since Diavolo didn't discover Polnareff from their conversation, but from following their trail directly.
Landon Torres
>pol contacts jotaro >diavolo finds out because muh stand users attract other stand users >proceeds to donut pol and jotaro with KC requiem
Eli Butler
If anyone associated with Passione saw such a suspicious letter, they’d probably want to investigate it.
Jackson James
I'm not gonna read that paragraph. We're 5 Parts into Jojo and you retards still can't grasp the idea that Araki makes up shit as he goes along.
2 is overrated. It’s good but definitely not better than 4, 5 or 6
Brody Bailey
Because Parts 1 through 4 wasn’t this fucking terrible. They have asspulls yes but at least there’s memorable characters and scenes in them compared to this atrocious snoozefest of a part.
Jojo has always been mediocre at best with its only value being the spectacle and occasionally a character or two. Although that's not really news, OP. It can certainly be enjoyable like most of pt 2 but it absolutely requires you to leave your brain shut off or the amount of inconsistency, retcons and just terrible pacing is going to take you out of it. The fucking author himself admits that he forgets how shit works or entire plot threads
You’re just talking out of your ass and saying that the Part with some of the best fights are ass. The other user’s non-argument was appropriate considering you yourself don’t have an argument.
Zachary Allen
So how did Narancia ended up there? He can't touch people in King Crimson mode right? For real, this part has to be the most asspull part of all, there's literally nothing consistent and half of the shit that happens doesn't make sense.
Juan Long
Jesus Christ you have awfully taste.
Carter Martin
Anime only here. My friend and I agreed that this is our favorite part up to date. Was the part 5 manga really that bad?
You still here bitch? Somehow your stupid ass thinks that having the stand arrow in Jotaro's possession wouldn’t be an instant win.
Also why didn’t Jotaro go to Italy since Polnareff didn't say shit in years? Good luck trying to get out of these plotholes.
Charles Scott
Alright, Mr. Contrarian.
Benjamin Jones
>No argument Ah yes the proof that you admit defeat and can’t handle any type of criticism.
Cooper Baker
t. brainlet with the reading comprehension of a five-year-old
Julian Lewis
It's hilarious that people who like Part 5 have the gall to shit on Joseph/Part 2 for asspulls.
Chase Green
Weather Report and Pucci will save this series as well.
Ian Rodriguez
>implying jotaro would get his hands on the arrow in the first place >implying jotaro even knows where pol is when the story said he went to Africa and Europe which are huge
Nathan Roberts
It’s even worst than the anime because at least David Pro put some actual effort in the death scenes.
Nolan King
Seething.
Connor Reed
Because Araki wanted him to. That is all there is to it. No previous part has been this damn frustrating with its inconsistencies and asspulls and it trying to take itself so seriously doesn't help at all. I'll take the first few good episodes and a bunch of fights but the rest of it, especially the latter half is pure trash.
Kayden Sanchez
>use epitaph >oh look I impale narancia in the future so i might as well skip to it to disorient everyone and hide during the confusion
Ian Campbell
No. It’s just retarded Yea Forums contrarianism. Part 5 is one of Japan’s favorite parts.
Are you slobbering apes legitimately autistic? This is Jojoes, there's a bisexual slutty vampire in makeup taking over the world, some gay priest, a fucking antagonist literally gets blasted off into space in a rock erupted from a volcano, raining frogs, homosexuality in plain daylight in Italy in 2001, and you cry over no realism, no consistency, no logic?
How, from the first minute of reading or watching the first part of this whole series, can you look at this shit and go, "oh man, this sure makes sense, I hope it stays like that thorough the series, and if it doesn't, rather than just laugh and enjoy it like I should, I'm going to be autistic about it and fight about it with strangers on the Internet"?
I know discussion is a thing and jojo is far from perfect, but god damn, if you hate a series so much why the fuck are you still watching and reading it
>Turning your brain off why though? You miss out on the plot and themes of a show
Nathaniel Roberts
>Japan having good taste Fujos and fatalist-fags, next.
Nicholas Reyes
Everything is better than 5 and 6 This
Nathan Taylor
Jotaro looked pretty comfy in Morioh and when he sent Koichi on an investigation. You’re talking about 3 years and his bitch ass said nothing to Jotaro or the Speedwagon Foundation in all that time.
Zachary Baker
That’s you pleighboi.
Grayson Thomas
That's why the "It just works" memes exist. Animeonlies think they're so smart because they know King Crimson erases time, but the real confusing part is KC's exact limits, which are inconsistent. Anyone who claims to know how King Crimson works is either lying or understands even less than a confused person because there's no consistent explanation for everything Diavolo does.
Christopher Morgan
>B-BUT JAPAN "argument" Every fucking time.
Aiden Allen
>Tommy gun and grenades are just obtainable in the 1930s >Hamon can do anything now >Ceaser is pushed as the bro of the part but only bickers then saves jojo at the last second, this is done twice. Their relationship is mostly them arguing >The final battle is the worst asspull of the series
Isaac Allen
>BNHA Kys normie
Asher Myers
based bossu
Oliver Gonzalez
See thing.
Jackson Reyes
Japanese audiences tend to have terrible taste. It's weird because there are so many great creative minds that have come from there but the average person is a mindless zombie who will enjoy old garbage. It probably has something to do with their culture of working yourself to near suicide. They don't have any free time to develop good taste, but those who do go into the arts get really good at it.
Bentley Sullivan
Pleigh boi
Andrew Morgan
GER is literally the worst and the most anticlimactic final fight in the series. Part 2 at least has a good protagonist and is just fun, unlike part 5.
Christopher Flores
He sasses Trish later
David Sanders
Official ranking best to worst Jojo part: 1. Steel Ball Run:Realistic characters with actual development, antagonist with a very good reason, excellent fights, best brojo Gyro and best Jojo Johnny. 2. Stone Ocean:Characters with interesting personalities and good development, probably has the best fights of all parts, active antagonist always trying to accomplish his objective and with a "honest" reason, Jolyne is a weird combination between Joseph, Jotaro and Josuke making her the best main line Jojo, FF best girl, best ending. 3. Battle Tendency:most fun Jojo, fights are mostly about what kind of bullshit Joseph is going to take out of his ass, best opening, forgottable brojo and secondary cast that is compensated with giving screen time to Joseph, absolute rule of cool. 4. Stardust Crusaders/Diamond is Unbreakable:the first half of both parts feels unnecesary, Josuke at least is more active than Jotaro, but Jotaro has more important moments, the crew in both parts are ok, nothing to say about them besides Hayato sucks dick, Dio doesn't appear until the end but has the most iconic moments, Kira has a unique personality to be a psychopath, both ends sucks. 5. Golden Piss:is shit.
Ian Gutierrez
Do you guys really think that Passione eavesdrop on every fucking phone call out of the country. Or read every email.
Jackson Stewart
Reminder that the average American loves Marvel movies.
Ryder Jenkins
>I know discussion is a thing and jojo is far from perfect, but god damn, if you hate a series so much why the fuck are you still watching and reading it This is the part that gets me up. I know a bunch of people that claim to love jojo, and then go "uh, I dropped on part 4/6/7", then here you find fags going "part 3 was shit, part 4 was even shitter, part 5 was even shitter, part 6 was the worst, part 7 got better then it was shit, part 8 is fucking nothing". Almost seems like people that dislike jojo are somehow more able to continuously put up with it than those fags that sperg on how godly jojo is.
Thomas Hughes
Didn't jotaro get his phone line intercepted by chilli pepper?
Levi Harris
kek Yea Forums's taste isn't any better
Kevin Taylor
yeah, araki said so
Jose Wood
Up until just a couple of years ago, the only scanlations for part 5 were terrible. The dialogue was wooden, so all of the characters basically had the same voice and no personality, and the scan quality was so bad that it was hard to tell what was going on sometimes. And unlike the Duwang scans, the part 5 scans weren't so obviously bad that people would think the problem was with the original manga.
It's weird because for as much as they hate it they read 100+ volumes of it. I don't know about you but I drop shit I don't like anymore. Like one piece.
Elijah Bailey
Good points, I'm now convinced it's a human problem.
John Carter
/thread
Charles Evans
Where can I read the old scans?
Dylan Price
Yeah, there's no point in keeping something you're not satisfied with or don't enjoy at all. Although there's a difference between hating something and enjoying something despite considering it bad. The overall tone of such posters is often so aggresive that I doubt is a case of "I'm legit enjoying this series despite being aware of it's flaws" tho.
Michael Mitchell
>stone ocean second place and not phatom blood yikes
Charles Murphy
I think the worst plot hole is that Polnareff says he and Jotaro looked in Egypt for the stand arrows, when Jotaro was still a teen, but in part 4 where Jotaro is an adult he claims to have never seen or heard about these arrows that grant stands when they hear about Keicho nijimura shooting people.
I'd really like to see the raws because the English translation on the left seems like it's got a ton of flavor text added. That's not personality in the text, it's the translators adding "personality" by basically making up dialogue.
I remember having to read some chapters up to three times to even understand what the fuck was happening. Original part 5 translation is the longest i've ever read a jojo part.
Bentley Taylor
its just a retcon
Sebastian Gonzalez
I agree
Daniel Reed
wh-why does mista look and SOUND like he's raping that poor guy
Giorno didn need GER, araki could have just not "forgotten" the ability to reflect damage and to accelerate peoples minds that giorno used in the beginning
Samuel Phillips
Jojo doesn't even get good until part 7
Blake Collins
The Nazi experiments to bring back Stroheim were top secret so after the Nazis were defeated the records of roboStroheim were probably wiped out
Benjamin Jackson
Because that's what your eyes, or rather, your subconscious wants you to see. It's a projection of your inner desires.
Kevin Jenkins
>Phantom blood? Jojolion? who?
Alexander Reed
Part 3 is one of the shittiest parts because its so fucking boring and repetitive, I seriously slept in the middle of it, it just isnt worst than part 6
Part 1 is amazing so shut the fuck up
Isaac Ward
But the mind acceleration needs Giorno to actually hit the person, and it's never known if it works if he hits the stand. And during the 7 page muda you can hear what sounds like GE's life giving effect in the background, which means that Ciocolatta was in pure agony for like a day straight or something.
Elijah Robinson
>narancia has this theme song >people still think he's gay
At one point, people in this thread got pissed that either DP or Crunchyroll changed a great Bruno line to a shitty one, only for one user to check and discover that they actually used the original line, and the iconic “cut” line was completely made up by the translators.
Luis Gonzalez
Because a woman is the MC, Giorgo doesnt apepar even though hes one of Dio's sons, and it just throws all the previous parts in a trash can
Austin Cox
Is Narancia the Jobro to accomplish the least in his dying moments? Even Caesar at least got the nnose ring.
Nicholas James
>His death was so out of nowhere They gave him a minute of screen time to talk about what he wants to do after the battle, you should've had an idea about his fate then.
Luke Rivera
Anyone who says part 6 isn't kino clearly has not read the part
Ryder Ramirez
That song literally contains sissy hypno.
Angel Sullivan
>Mista is completely okay after having severe blood loss from his head >Bruno comes back from the dead as a fucking zombie >Doppio surviving all that blood loss and a fucking ripped out throat with no medical treatment >Polnareff is a hacker now >Polnareff somehow survived getting brutalized down a goddamn cliff >Giorno somehow knew that trajectory bullshit was going to work and the bullet somehow changed into a beetle >The shitload of consistencies that makes no damn sense I can keep going if you’re unsatisfied with the amount of asspulls.
Wyatt Richardson
Are you a cat owner?
Jordan Martinez
It's not shitting over him. Getting beaten by KC is no shame. Don't act like he was invincible in SC
Jaxson Price
Final battle isn't even an asspull, if you're talking about the volcano thing that shit was foreshadowed from the very beginning of the part.
Thomas Martin
The mind accel isnt what defeats king crimson dumbass, its the damage reflection
Andrew Bailey
I hate that that video is titled “Narancia’s Theme” instead of the actual name.
Carson Clark
What?
Carson Thompson
This cucks like should be publicly humiliated
Luis Torres
>complain about ESL posters >post is incomprehensible
Bentley Cook
Yeah, the cat shit parasites have rewired your brain. That's probably why you're hearing "sissy hypno" in such a patrician bgm.
Ayden Bailey
>Giorno somehow knew that trajectory bullshit was going to work and the bullet somehow changed into a beetle
It's way worse than this. He turned the bullet into a branch, then when the branch was disintegrated he turned the branch back into a bullet while he was falling and somehow not only did the bullet maintain the momentum from when it was fired it was now moving in the opposite direction and he aimed it so perfectly he made a headshot with it from fifty feet away and then he turned part of the bullet that exited out the back of the skull into a gigantic beetle and then that beetle flew back and burrowed into his brain.
It's the single most bullshit thing in the arc and the moment where I gave up and just said okay his powers can just do anything he wants.
Ian Butler
It’s a staple that stand users can live a lot of gnarly stuff
Zachary Wood
I always thought that the accelerating people minds thing never happened because there was never a chance for Giorno to ever use it again. Last Giorno tried it was against Black Sabbath and it didn't work, Giorno never had a chance to hit an actual person with GE in a situation that would need the skill for the rest of the manga. With Ghiaccio he just kicked him to his death. By the time he managed to hit Cioccolatta he made sure to thrash him good, and I don't recall Giorno hitting Diavolo before getting GER. You could argue Giorno realized the speed thing only worked against actual humans and not stands, but that's just making up shit to justify what is never stated.
Austin Gutierrez
Do you eat vegetables or fruits user?
Christopher Hill
Are we to believe that Diavolo had people tracking every in/out communication to a world class tourist destination?
Lucas Baker
I don’t own any cats, and I’m pretty sure that the most likely explanation for the song seeming to contain sissy hypno is that it does contain sissy hypno.
Dylan Moore
To be fair you could make the argument that Sex Pistols helped with that
Levi Brooks
so if we're talking about Pol in part 5 why couldn't Polnareff just get healed and hop back into his body like Giorno did when Narancia died instead of being a turtle?
Julian Lee
>Because a woman is the MC, What’s wrong with that? >Giorgo doesnt apepar even though hes one of Dio's sons, Why would he travel to Florida when he has a mafia to run? >and it just throws all the previous parts in a trash can It doesn’t.
Tyler Reyes
Part 4 gets good somewhere in the middle. Part 5 anime is one of the best shounen adaptations I've seen
Leo Flores
How? They didn't do anything.
Nicholas Brooks
Do you ride the shortbus, user?
Hudson Watson
>I don't recall Giorno hitting Diavolo before getting GER.
Are you people that dense? The only thing Giorno needed was to create a very tall grass
Another thing, why didnt the body parts giorno created for the gang reflect damage like that frog in the first episode?
Alexander Smith
>left Polnareff paraplegic. A condition that Polnareff could've easily had he contacted Jotaro, who would have then requested the doctors and engineers of the SWF to install prothetics. Or just fly Josuke over and fix him up.
Lucas Hughes
Maybe it's a GE-only ability?
It's just as confusing with its powers as KC to be honest.
Christopher James
Are you calling me gay?
Oliver Stewart
It's not that far of a stretch to say Sex Pistols helped the bullets trajectory off screen
Robert Wright
The real question is why didn't they give Polnareff Narancia's alive and perfectly healthy empty and soulless body and let him have it so he could live another sixty years? There was nothing wrong with it and it was empty.
Lucas Morris
Based
Evan Nguyen
It’s oblivious that the time acceleration thing happens to people. It’s would just be a waste of a page to show it every time he does hit someone
Mason James
It's kind of unclear at times, but Sex Pistols don't just simply yeet the bullet at what they can see, there's some kind of other bullshit going on. Like against Kraftwerk, when the bullet still went where they intended after being split in half.
Angel Wood
Do you? You people are just shitslinging for the sake of derailing the thread at this point.
Matthew Harris
How about you give me a coherent response?
Eli Ramirez
>Why would he travel to Florida when he has a mafia to run? The fucking manga mentions he was in florida shithead
Camden Gonzalez
Respect for fellow gangster or some gay shit
Easton Martinez
Are you fucking high?
Colton Roberts
Which line are you talking about? They’re either butt hurt that a series can bring this much joy to readers or angry fags who want the series to be gay only to find out it isn’t.
Landon Diaz
Welcome to Yea Forums
Ethan Wilson
A bottle cap exploding doesn’t foreshadow an exploding volcano causeed by the antagonist.
Oliver Powell
Part 5 is one of the most soulless manga/anime I've ever seen.
Joseph King
I'm not commenting on the damage reflection skill, but ont the sense acceleration one. I have no argument or explanation to defend the damage reflection.
Jacob Campbell
“You’re guaranteed to fail if you’re a piece of shit.”
John Torres
>tfw Coke adds are foreshadowing the end of the world
Xavier Myers
The manga says “he might be in Florida” in the bio for one of his brothers.
Christian Parker
they did the math Turtles live like a hundred more years
Alexander White
Imagine if he used Narancia’s body to became a prostitute, horrifying Narancia in the afterlife.
Daniel King
and then Polnareff's turtle years where shortlived thanks to Pucci.
Elijah Bennett
>What’s wrong with that? It isn't realistic, its giving too much credit for womens capabilities (I mean, even Lisa Lisa couldnt shit, which is coherent with reality as women belong in the kitchen)
>Why would he travel to Florida when he has a mafia to run? Dio's bone?
>It doesn’t. Oh really? Why steel ball run universe then?
Carter Hernandez
Joseph's hamon caused the coke bottle to erupt and pop the cap off. Kars's hamon caused the volcano to erupt and pop the cap off. It's the same trick, but on a different scale.
Elijah Hill
Wasn't Steel Ball Run originally intended to be an entirely new thing and then Araki just decided to label it as the next part?
Charles Wright
I cannot wait for Part 6 to come out. I literally cannot wait to be the most bitter, obnoxious, and disgusting person on this site so I can get justice for the amount of ruined threads you faggots made with your constant bitching about Part 5. Can’t wait.
That wasn't added until the volume release. It wasn't in the chapter when it was serialized. And it said he "might" be in Florida, not that he was. Giorno had no reason to go to Florida even if he felt that pull.
I seriously doubt you can outdo the Gridman sperg, that guy's been going for like 8 months
Samuel Butler
Part 6 is good though. And part 6 has already had way more shitposting about it just with the manga.
Carson Roberts
>It isn't realistic, its giving too much credit for womens capabilities It sounds like you just have issues with women. >Dio's bone? How would he know or care about it? >Oh really? Why steel ball run universe then? You actually had me convinced that you weren’t baiting until this post.
Justin Cook
>Gridman sperg illustrate me on this one
Ayden Jones
Who is he?
Gavin Sanders
yea well ur mom caused my dick to erupt and cum inside her
It contains signals that brainwash you into becoming a sissy.
Wyatt Torres
Part 5 isn't that good even with the new translation.
Jackson Murphy
ok, but what signals?
David Powell
Go into any Gridman thread, and start posting about yuri. He'll arrive anyways to any Gridman thread, but yuri summoms him faster. He will spam the ENTIRE thread, claiming that each and every single person is a samefag out to ruin his life and Gridman threads. He gets banned and deleted quickly, but it rarely takes him more than half an hour to come back.
Ethan Russell
>finds cruel ways to kill his enemies its not like he chose the infinite death loop, it was poetic justice that was happenstance stand hacks, not intentional. and he does have Dio's mind. Dio's cruel.
And hes NOTHING, if we're talking about cruel deaths. Josuke is as psychopathic as kira. >mutilate a guy into a sentient immortal rock as punishment, instead of instant death. >turned a random stand of the week villain, into a book.
the fuck?
Lincoln Walker
Araki always intended it to be Part 7, but Shueisha wanted to leave “JJBA” out of the title so that they could market it as a new series.
Colton Rivera
There are sequences embedded into the music that rewire your brain if you listen to too much.
Isaiah Thomas
They only hate on 5 because their favorite part was hated on. They are already doing what you plan to do. Can we just end this bitter cycle and agree that there are no "bad" parts?
Isaac Evans
are you fucking with me? you're talking about sequences and signals, but that's it.
Robert Murphy
That sound hilarious.
Alexander Carter
Yeah. One user said it very well though:
Leo Garcia
>are you fucking with me? Do you really even need to ask? I stopped subjecting myself to this fool hours ago.
There's one up right now, it's only a matter of time until he arrives.
Thomas Johnson
There are certain sounds that can rewire your mind, and that song contains signals that can turn you into a sissy. You can try it for yourself, but don’t say that I didn’t warn you.
Christian Ramirez
I was barely even paying attention since the part was making me sick to my stomach but goddamn Araki was high off cocaine when he wrote this bullshit.
>reddit has reddit opinions >he browses reddit >he browses /r/ranime
Literally kys.
Asher Smith
whatever you say, fag.
Josiah Perez
Fine by me. 5 and 6 both fucking suck and are bottom of the barrel as far as araki's work goes. You faggots can wallow in shit with each other while the people with taste laugh at you.
Logan Thompson
>colored
Owen Cooper
>Joseph dies but still comes back from the ultimate succ >Everyone dies instantly to a donut surprise Yeah calling bullshit on that theory.
Jeremiah Miller
Damn, that faggot is still going?
Hunter Gutierrez
The Germans had the technology to put Best Boy back together, nothing ever indicated that SWF had that same level of tech. They had prosthetic arms like the one they gave Joseph, but Joseph only lost an arm while Polnareff had both his legs blown off. The German tech used on Stroheim would have been a state secret and could have easily been lost after the war, given that Stroheim is literally the only person we ever see who's a cyborg. Also, just because SWF had massive amounts of money and tech in the 40s doesn't mean they still do in the 2000s
Liam Scott
FDR and ChurchHill are to blame for Polnareff not getting the robo tech he needed.
Tyler Collins
Unironically yes, the mafia gained a huge amount of power after Italy lost WW2
Parker Evans
Maybe I would be gay if I listened to more of Narancia’s theme.
Michael Johnson
Maybe you'd become less gay.
Jacob Hernandez
The song literally makes you more gay every time you listen to it.
Nathaniel Brooks
See, this is why we should've stuck to a couple of british guys punching each other with the power of the sun.
Blake Watson
Based hairposter.
Jackson Gomez
user. I know it hurts. He's loyal. He's goofy. He's adorable. He didn't deserve this life. But you gotta accept it. He's dead. Maybe it's a good thing he died. He's resting with his mom up in heaven now. We don't deserve him.
I haven't watched the episode yet, so thanks for that faggot
Charles Price
seething janny
Jordan Gutierrez
Yeah it should have been like Berserk where the main villain never gets got. Just endlessly chasing Dio. For 9 seasons.
Zachary Stewart
o fuck you said best boy and I automatically assumed you were talking about narancia kek
Jayden Richardson
Why are you here if you haven’t already read the entire series?
Luke Brown
>if act 3 touches him it's over Which would never happen. Koichi would die.
Liam Miller
Dream on, you god damn margarita pizza loving bakala
Jayden Flores
r9k please go
Cooper Baker
>browsing a jojo thread without having watched the latest episode and complaining about spoilers
Grayson Wilson
Based. I’m so glad Part 4 got adapted because people are finally waking up to how shit it was.
>Read Part 4 before the first season of the anime dropped >Realized it’s poorly written, poorly planned shit >Kept getting told it’s Muh duwang Muh scans and it’s not poorly written >Anime comes out and animebros realize it’s shit too >feel vindicated
GET FUCKED PART FOUR FAGS
Dylan Cruz
Writing any story is not hard at all but it’s hilarious how someone can fuck up this badly because they can’t stop making up asspulls on the fly.
Connor Torres
You are right, JoJo it's shit enjoyable only taken the single fight. Next
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Brayden Fisher
This combined with Araki deciding to not make Fugo betray the team shows just how little Araki cares about changing shit at the last minute. Expecting consistency from him is a pipe dream
Part 4 is unironically my favorite part. It does start a little slower than other parts but hang in there.
Liam Price
Fugo was the only one who wasn’t a traitor.
Bentley Hall
Jojolion is doing a decent job. Though it remains to be seen if some things brought up earlier will actually return. There's several characters though that haven't been relevant for a while that have recently become relevant. Kira's dad has been listed in the characters section of volumes for several volumes now, probably over a year's worth of chapters, which is interesting.
Charles Parker
How much would things would have changed if Kakyoin made it through alive?
Henry Garcia
Kira would have killed him in part 4.
Wyatt Howard
>polnareff reshaped into a turtle >joseph showed with dementia and alzheimer >jotaro put in a coma and then erased from the universe
i'm just happy Kakyoin got an heroic death against DIO
Easton Richardson
>if act 3 touches him it's over lmao as if that would ever happen
>Are you telling me that Diavolo's people would inspect every phone call, letter and package sent to every person Polnareff knows just in case? Even when we are shown that Diavolo had almost forgotten the guy?
I'm actually sure Diavolo himself would. Dude's really paranoid about his past
Caleb Hernandez
Technically we don't know of a single SWF member who has a stand
Henry Brooks
>Turn him into a fucking a snail Yeah okay
Isaac Collins
Think about it, he hacked into Bruno's computer and tried to meet him, and he gets killed by the damn boss before using Chariot Requiem as a last ditch attempt to protect the Arrow like a day later. Replace Bruno with SWF and Diavolo literally outright just wins before Jotaro gets off the damn tarmac in Japan
>That's like calling Jotaro beating the fuck out of Kira the final fight of Part 4. Sadly, there are people who do that.
Elijah Smith
Right but we know he's monitoring the whole country and was able to effectively pinpoint Pol even though he painstakingly tried to keep as much info hidden from Bruno as possible. Trying to communicate to a secret organization that is potentially tied to stand instances world-wide could be just as risky as trying to contact a local group of powerful stand users, if not significantly moreso Diavolo knew Enyaba, it's not a stretch to imagine he knew about the SWF too.
Kayden Sanders
Because he just happened to be in the exact same place as Diavolo and the guys trying to kill him? And even if he contacts the Speedwagon Foundation, then Josuke, Jotaro, and Koichi would’ve fodderized Diavolo’s ass.
Lucas James
>Diavolo knew Enyaba, it's not a stretch to imagine he knew about the SWF too. I don't see any connection between those two things
Grayson Rogers
Josuke might not have cared since it didn’t effect his town.
Grayson Rogers
stfu faggot
Jeremiah Williams
A lot of shit just "happens," that's just the nature of stands. I'm saying Pol tried to be as conservative as possible, and the first person to reach him was still Diavolo Plus there's no chance Jotaro/Josuke/Koichi win against a theoretical KC Requiem. And just fighting KC would still be difficult as hell
Jacob Cooper
You think he was totally ignorant of the situation with DIO in Egypt? Someone must have told him at some point that a powerful stand user with an army of other stand users got taken out by SWF/some secret group
Brody Ward
Diavolo met Enyaba when he sold the arrows to her. There was no situation with DIO in Egypt at that time.
Colton Brown
Except Polnareff wasn't treated by the Speedwagon foundation, he literally crawled with severe injuries and like half his torso missing to a nearby village where they treated him. I can't remember if they contacted the Speedwagon foundation and that's how he got his prosthetics, but either way it makes sense. Also, Stroheim lost his limbs and the front of his torso while Polnareff lost parts of his spine, and it's a lot easier to make prosthetic limbs than a new spine. Plus, Stroheim was treated by the Nazis, not the Speedwagon Foundation. But I mean, HACKRAKI FORGOT LMAOLOLOLOL In conclusion, learn to read or stick to MaH and HxH
He got half his torso blown off but for some reason still has one of his legs. The anime scene left his torso intact but cut off his right leg, like the end result was supposed to be.
>Araki remembered to give Polnareff a fake Pinky on the left half of the page but not the right
Oliver Ward
Yeah but you don't think he sent people to follow up?
Nicholas Scott
The thing I don't like about part 5 is how crazy Araki goes with the plot armor, I guess since he wanted to write the fights to be so back and fourth but most of the stands in part 5 are very powerful so the way a lot of characters survive is ridiculous, Mista should not have survived train fight or white album, Bruno should not have survived train fight or Oasis, Giorno definatly should not have survived crash and talking head and there are probably more i'm forgetting
James Perez
>Something intentionally drawn that makes sense for why he is in a wheelchair is Araki's fault ???????
Jacob Ward
He didn't send anybody to follow up on the girl he busted a nut into, I doubt he cares about some old lady.
Aaron Gutierrez
You can't say the anime injuries aren't better. Araki went too far.
William Anderson
I'm not arguing with you I'm just confused as to what you mean.
Kayden Lopez
The whole part was a botch
Jace Sanders
If Koichi and Jotaro are there, he’ll be there too.
Carson Wood
I like how the saying that stand users are drawn to eachother was forgotten about when that basically confirmed that they’ll face Diavolo eventually. Also you got Josuke there so you don’t even have to worry about injuries.
Xavier Thompson
something about what narancia in the first OP means don't know what the chinese spam reply is besides a joke about kanji
Nicholas Butler
That anyone who looks at it can tell that it was a mistake. If it wasn't, DP would have adapted it just like in the manga, and people would have hated it.
Owen King
What doesen't make sense for me is how Diavolo just let his ex-gf someone who knows his identity live for over 15 years
Liam Peterson
Soft Machine fight - attacked by stand but was hardly injured Little Feet fight - first fight, narrow victory The Grateful Dead fight - hit hard by aging attack but avoided life threatening injury Rush and Talking Head fight - second fight, narrow victory Notorious BIG fight - heavy disadvantage against enemy ability, heavily injured after striking once Green Day fight - Mold covered his whole body, was in real deep shit Chariot Requiem fight - While recovering from the mold injury, Requiem switched his soul with Giorno's (Giorno's soul is at the back) King Crimson fight - died due to King Crimson's attack, his spirit ascended to the heavens like smoke and his body became an empty shell Chains = partial depiction of Rolling Stone's ability - Person that was chosen to die can't defy the chains
Summary of Narancia's scene in S1's OP The seven consecutive shots are the seven fights Narancia participated in from his debut to his death. The deepness of the shadow over his body indicates how unstable his spirit is, i.e. his life is in danger Last shot of Narancia with his back turned represents his spirit leaving his empty body like smoke and ascending to the heavens
Bentley Brooks
Why is he even in a wheel chair if he has prosthetic legs? Isn't the reason people have prosthetic legs is so they can walk again?
Jose White
Stand users being drawn to each other does not mean they are guaranteed to meet the boss, let alone knowing that he is the boss when they meet him.
Evan Cruz
He gave her a fake name
Luke Sanders
Josuke wouldn't have been fast enough to save Narancia, he was already dead when the crew found him. King Crimson is way more effective at killing than anything he faced in Part 4.
Really the only unresolved question is if Time Stop > Time Skip. If Jotaro can't plothax the fight then they all die. And there's no Diver Down to keep his ass alive while they get killed
John Ward
It just means the boss needs to be generally right to let fate handle the rest
Enyaba and all those stand arrows are way more important than some hoe he knocked up. One is potentially capable of raising the same fighting force he conquered Italy with. The other is some useless girl he can have assassinated anytime
