Character does something that's supposed to kill him

Madara didn’t even die after all that so if Guy stayed dead it would have made it seem like he accomplished literally nothing.

>Editors might suddenly tell the author to not kill a certain character because its popular or other reasons

Because that’s how people become stronger.

Also another key point was Choji was very fat.

It is one of the worst tropes in shonen.This was the sole reason I dropped Rave Master because when dragon guy ingested a lethal poison he was supposed to die but the power of his love saved him

Simple, the power of friendship.

>character has been dead the entire time

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SSBKK's had a 90% chance of death but...

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I'm not going to disagree with you since I find it retarded as well, but why are a lot of people so desperate for deaths and when they don't get it they get mad

are they all edgefags?

how is it so hard to understand
people will complain either way, just do your thing random author-san

The worst one is still 8 gates Guy. That shit was hyped up since the beginning of the series to 100% no matter what kill you and then Naruto just shows up and heals him no problem.

What should you expect from the same manga who revives anything mentioned in the past, and has a few scientist ninja trash who already switched bodies
Death isn't a problem to jutsu asspull

>Character gets shot
>Turns out that they had some item on their person as to deflect the bullet from penetrating them

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I actually like this one.

> Protagonist is about to go mad
> bitch hits him once with the "snap out of it" yapping
> actually works without breaing a sweat

Didn't know Symphogear was shounenshit.

Was this rave

>Naruto, how did you manage to heal Guy?
>dunno, lol

>bro trust me on this one

>character gets a massive power up
>still loses

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It was still literally the only cool moment after like volume 40 or so. I hated the great ninja war arc but god damn was Night Guy worth it.

yes

>tons of characters get introduced and given interesting looks and abilities
>almost every fight in the series is offscreen

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>character does something that's supposed to kill him
>it actually kills him

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You can get away with it, but you better have a damn clever explanation for why it didn't kill them.

>character intentionally shoots character with a reflecting item so they can die

This fight is underated kino.

>kubo is a hack who likes to write in character to progress the story when ever he's out of ideas and then immediately kills them off once they have served their purpose

wow what a suprise

>character does die
>they shortly come back to life anyways

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>character constantly does things that are supposed to kill him
>he was merely pretending

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Those fuckers were so pointless it's hilarious.

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Reduced lifespan is the easiest way to make it sound like a technique is super dangerous and forbidden without ever having to show any real consequences.

Naruto had enough characters in stock to replace Choji and Neji anyways after that arc. If anything it was just Kishimoto cementing how the good guys are protected by plot armor when their deaths would have went relatively unnoticed anyways yet always remembered and boosting the legacy of the sasuke retrieval arc. Instead bringing choji and neji back to life undermined what could have been a more serious arc and shown the actual stakes and consequences of living in that ANCAP hellhole ninja world. Neji never really did anything useful again and died during the war arc in a pisspoor way and Choji also never really did anything of important again except turn into a giant butterfly

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>author hypes up for years a death battle between 2 strong people
>nobody dies

It's an easy crutch to make a powerup seem important or dangerous, but writers give it to plot critical characters and/or don't have the balls to follow through with it once they establish it.

at least "o my rubber nen" was still better than "o my demon heart" because rubber nen still worked within the confines of what we've been taught about the HxH power system. O my demon heart in yu yu hakusho came completely out of left field and practically ruined the end of that arc and really gimped the end of YYH in general. At least Togashi still has plans for Hisoka but YYH just ended the series like 40 chapters later

Yeah right ? Especially in HxH it's really often like that. Gon, Hisoka, Kurapika. All of them just be like dying is not in their DNA(sspull)

This fucking fight it's a masterpiece and the one with Neji and the spider ninja, too bad that fucker Kishimoto it's a fucking bad writer and choose Uchihashit over good characters.

Choji even had a good fight and happy impactful ending that probably turned a lot dislikers into people that actually liked his character in the end. Why Kishi didn't just give him a happy ending there is kind of baffling

That arc was shonnen at its best. It’s crazy how downhill the series went after it

this faggot is the laziest of writers. Kurama himself should've died twice. When he used the magical mirror and when he planted a seed on himself.

>implying every shounen author doesn't do this

Lmao

To be fair, Kishimoto wanted to kill Neji and Choji at the end of part 1 but the editors wouldn't allow him to.

Yammy was a bad Espada because he was the weakest who got an artificial power up.

That's not even remotely true. There were plenty of character who were introduced with unique powers that won.

Gon still got pretty fucked up and on the brink of death / turned into beef jerky just for 20 minutes of power but, Togashi just had to add the Dragon Ball trap sister into the series. I mean, at least Gon lost his nen after being healed but I think I would have been more satisfied if his arm stayed gone too. Healing his arm kind of just throws the scene of Pitou chopping it off under the bus, and he even had his hand blown off on Greed Island too but got that back also so I don't know what I was expecting

Might Guy was embarassing because it's obvious Kishimoto wrote himself into a corner there.

He knew he HAD TO use Guy's inner gates, I mean this was the ultimate enemy trying to like, rule the world by inducing everyone into a comatous state, or something? So naturally, Guy has to go all out.
But at the same time, Guy is not allowed to defeat the enemy, because that's Naruto's job. And also, you don't really want Guy to die either.

Here's what Kishimoto should have done:
>that island arc, where Kizame gathers intel on Naruto's location
>make Kizame a lot stronger, maybe Itachi-tier power
>have Kizame absorb the 8-tails power, which he should easily be able to do (and has done)
>the combined power of his natural strength + the 8 tails power, makes him so strong he can even overpower Naruto (this means Kishimoto doesn't need to have Naruto get his foot stuck in a wall to avoid a fight between the two)
>that's when Guy steps in
>he activates the 8 inner gates to protect Naruto
>kills Kizame
>dies heroically
>Naruto is more motivated than ever to stop the war

it would probably be less profitable, but would shonen manga be better if the writers could do whatever the hell they wanted instead of being restricted by their editors?

Sometimes I wonder if someone tell Kishimoto it's such a garbage writer or Japanese people just suck each other dicks without telling what a piece of shit you are at something.

I find most bullshit in YYH to be dismissable just because of how old YYH is but still didn't like "o my demon heart". I think that arc would have ended better if Sensui wasn't as strong as he was with his sacred asspull energy and maybe yusuke still dying but having the rest of the team finish him off. Most of Kurama's fights were bullshit seeds anyways so it was reasonable enough to see him finding a work around for that death plant seed considering he's the garden master. I didn't have much of a problem with the mirror either since Yusuke jumped and shared the burden, even if it's typical shonen shit there's still enough reason to see why kurama didn't die there with yusukes intervention. IMO the biggest asspull seed was the one that was used on elder toguro, after all the twists and turns to reveal he's still alive and like 5x as powerful as even, he gets dispatched of in 1 minute to the eternal asspull tree

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Don’t undersale Kisame like that. Remember that Guy had to open 7 Gates to beat him and even then only won because Kisame didn’t know that Hirudora was a Taijutsu attack and tried to absorb it instead of just dodging.

I agree with the rest though. Kisame should have been Guy’s ultimate opponent who he had to open the Eight gate against. That way he could be justified going all out against a strong opponent and actually having to die to beat him.

That entire timeskip was literally retcons upon retcons though. In order to fix this, you would have to do the following

1. Kazekage arc but with Zetsu killed off by Team Gai to get rid of Kaguya bullshit

2. Immortal arc with the reintroduction of Shikamaru's and Hinata's team in the beginning. Also introduce Sai and Yamato here

3. Uchiha arc but with some major changes like no nuking the fridge on Sasuke, no heritage for . Naruto and cut out stupidity like Sakura and Ninja Dog passing by Karin

4a. overhauled final arc with Pain being the legit final boss, Sasuke going full blown villain to kill elders and Danzo. Goes after Tsunade to try and destroy the position of Hokage so Naruto has to stop him and put him in jail

4b. Guy and KIsame fight to the death and both die. Tsunade fights Konan and beats her. Kakashi fights Obito and fatally stabs him only for Obito to give away his other eye to Kakashi. Sakura faces off against Karin who becomes a monster after fusing with Jugo and her and Rock Lee destroy her.

>underestimating your opponent
SASUGA, ANTAGONIST-KUN.

>Why are there so many unrealistic and poorly-written battle shounens

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What is Shalnark and Kortopi and almost Machi

Manga editors tell you that your ideas are shit, but they don't do it directly because that would be rude. They instead tell you what you must change about the story and often make decisions about the plots of a manga that they have no hand in writing otherwise. See, Dragon Ball Z and Bleach, two of the most famous examples of series where the editors CONSTANTLY made the author change things.

>Sakura faces off against Karin
And the winner gets Sasuke.

Also, nice repeating digits.

>[citation needed]

And no, Bakuman isn't citation.

probably, not only editors interfering with the mangakas ideas but also WSJ forcing most series to keep pumping out chapters instead of giving authors of decent series time to refine their material instead of forcing them to keep working even if the manga suffers from it. I think Togashi's the only one in WSJ that actually gets to work on his own schedule and that's why the quality and writing are usually top notch because he has ample time to plot way ahead while other shonen mangaka often have to think on the fly without much preparation or poor storyboarding to keep their manga afloat and not be axed. WSJ would probably be a better place if every mangaka was afforded at least a 3 month hiatus every year to collect their ideas and refine their material. Like I really like most of Naruto up until the pain arc minus a handful of what I believed to be bad decisions but, can only imagine how the manga would have turned out if it wasn't for editorial interference and Kishimoto not having to try and keep his head above water without taking any breaks other than maybe a week here and there

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No, the reason why this fight happens is because Sakura realizes how her obsession over Sasuke is poisonous. Karin works as a twisted fun house mirror to Sakura.

In the end, she decides to let go of her childish desires for Sasuke and instead goes off with Rock Lee instead.

That way, Sarada (Lee) will have learned everything from her mom and dad and be the most physically strong Taijutsu character in her class.

I'm pretty sure it's because at that point Naruto's main audience were kids

Literally nothing is worse than bringing a character back to life after it's well established that they are dead, sad scene and all.
I feel like the author is spitting on me when they do this after I've cried over the passing of a character I love.
Fourth Shinobi War Arc ruined everything that the story built on.

>I refuse look anything up for myself so if you don't provide some evidence for your claim it MUST be false
Dude it's common knowledge that editors are often heavily involved in the manga process. In Dragon Ball 17 and 18 were supposed to be the original villains of the android arc, Cell was created entirely because of editor-kun.

Not that user but Naruto literally almost didn't get the greenlight because Kishi really didn't want to give Nardo a rival and his editors basically told him if he didn't accept Sasuke, it was fucked

>t. Cannot understand the meaning of the word "citation"

The mirror was ok because Yusuke basically divided the price between himself and Kurama, allowing both to live at the cost of some of their lifespans. Problem is, we always hear this "lose some years off your life" biz and then never see it get followed up. If say, FMA were to ever get a sequel set years after the original, it would actually be pretty interesting if Arakawa remembered that Ed shaved some years from his life when he got skewered by that piping and ends up dying a good 10 or so years before what anyone expected him to perish at. Likewise, many people expect Luffy to probably not even hit his 50s given how much life he probably risked back when his gears were unrefined.

> This technique is gonna kill or shorten your lifespan!
> Nah, this is shounen, that shit never is shown nor does it ever happen
> you think I'm playin?

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>arakawa making an FMA sequel

That will NEVER happen. people like her and Kubo don't like shitty sequels.

If anything it might be just that Ed was going to live up to his 80's and instead now is going to live up to his 70's.

Based editors. Naruto is trash without Sasuke, honestly. I can't even imagine how fucking terrible the series would be. Just think about it. The entire series would be about Naruto and Sakura, wtf.

cringe editor. Cyborg 16, 17 and 18 are decent villains. They could have done a fusion at the end to get stronger.

Killing off Choji or Neji wouldn't be the first time a child or someone else died in Naruto. Hell, Haku dying by Kakashi's hands, Zabuza murdering the kingpin and dying himself, kids dying in the chuunin exam, Gaara's savagery, Rock Lee becoming a cripple, Rock Lee / Guys hardship at a 50/50 % chance to survive surgery, all those are equally tough moments for a child watching compared with Choji or Neji dying and it was already expected for Choji to die when he took the red pill or Neji to die with how fucked up he got. IDK, you're probably right about the base being too many children by that point which is why the entire rest of the manga suffered until it became Naruto x Sasuke power hour wankfest by the end. Still I think editor's are great at making awful decisions for the direction of a decent manga

Funny how the third died from his bullshit technique.
I appreciate the rare few works which have it factor in at the end. At least in regards to having the protag eventually die

Except this ruin Kisame's last words and the meaning of his death, so fuck off.
Fucking embarrassing when fanfiction tier faggots try to "correct" one's work.

>actually expects a link or something
>being this btfo
you're not a child, you're not in grade school. this is real life, and you have to look things up for yourself if you don't want to rely on what you're being told.

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Editors are cancer, they run many a good manga to the ground. Then when things have gone to shit, they toss you out when sales have tanked.

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Oh please, Kubo probably would since that hack couldn't even keep his original interesting for all that long after its first big arc. As for Arakawa, one would hope she doesn't ever do a sequel, though I could see her revisiting the series for some kind of miniseries that explores the future of Amestris, probably framed long after the Elric brothers have died, or at least well after Ed has passed on just to see how the world has changed now that it's not controlled by homunculi and always at war every other day of the year. By all means it doesn't have to happen, but it would be interesting if the fact that Ed shaved some years off his life were to play a role and he dies around 70 or so instead of 80 or 90. Of course, that thing with him hitting 100 in the OVA for the first anime was pretty ridiculous, especially since he seemed to be almost still capable of independent movement without any trouble.

I think Sasuke is pretty good in Part I. Shippuden is where he became a nigger.

Sounds perfect.

What's the meaning of his death? I thought the entire thing was stupid anyway. Kisame gets sent to collect intel that is ultimately pointless, because Naruto goes to join the war anyway. It's in his character, that's how he is.
Kisame's death was really pointless...

There can be some instances where they turn out to be a help, albeit indirectly. Toriyama managed from great shit with his more obnoxious editors grilling his ass. Still, it is so odd how many of these fuckers seem to be bred to hate their authors and make their lives hell for no apparent reason.

>Oh please he would
>it's been almost 3 years
>Kubo refuses to drop focus on the what he wrote up in the first arc

YOu clearly don't know Bleach or Kubo

Also, ignoring Arrancar arc and TYBW doesn't make you cool. It makes you look like a fag,

Thanks

He became one the moment that Kishi allowed the fans to overrule his death against Haku. Yes, it would have meant no resolution to his vendetta against Itachi, but it's not like we hadn't already had revenge stories featuring brothers for ages before Nacho and Saucegay came onto the scene.

>almost every fight in the series is offscreen
Demostratively wrong

They were originally meant to die.

Oh gee, I don't care for those shitty arcs, and I'm somehow a fag? Whatever, dipshit. You clearly overestimate Kubo if you think he's some kind of great writer when his shit barely didn't even hold itself together through its first arc alone.

>Shitty arcs
Clearly you are a fag if you are saying that.

No, I just paid attention to the actual storyline instead of acting like a ragging faggot like you.

Yeah, but look how they milked that dynamic for years in the filler, the games, and so on. Editors knew the rivalry shit is a unit mover

>hey you bette believe every baseless claim on the internet or else I'm going to bully you for asking for a source!
>Heh, nothen personal, just like my favorite shounen anime!

Why did you even reply

Not the same user but do you know if Bakuman is unrealistic on some of the aspects of the manga industry? I've never used it as a citacion but most of my basic knowledge about the Jump administration and stuff comes from that series.

>arrancar
>even remotely good
Keep deluding yourself friendo.

>but most of my basic knowledge about the Jump administration and stuff comes from that series.

You, me, and everyone else in this thread. Thats the problem, and my point.

Arrancar arc is good. It's the Fake karakura town War arc that only had good parts.

The only one being delusional is you

When I was a teenager.I always thought the pain arc was the last arc since It was a perfect ending for the series.

Cope

>every claim on the internet is baseless
>thinks anything that has been said to him is bad enough to be considered bullying
If you're such a delicate flower who is so incapable of looking things up, then why did YOU reply?

>people still think rubber nen was an asspull
All he did was restart his heart with his nen acting as a pacemaker.
Fuck demon Yusuke though.

>no u
Whatever, bub.
Nicely memed, kiddo.

>Choji
>fat
???

To prove a point: you don't have a source. If you did you'd post it, even if only for the smug satisfaction of proving me wrong. Instead you're covering for yourself by insulting me. Sad desu.

Cope

Dude, just give it up.

The arrancar arc was good just the last part with Yami was not good other then that it was perfect.The aizen battle karukara arc was and still is the worst arc in bleach.That gin asspull, im that good guy etc.Just seem like an asspull.Most of the ending just seem like an asspull.People might hate the fullbringer arc but its the one that has no plotholes or asspulls and it went well with the following arc the 1000 year war that arc was good but it had a horrible ending.

>couldn't even keep his original interesting for all that long after its first big arc
Arrancar was more popular than SS

>Yammy
That was in the Fake karakura Town War arc though.

Arrancar was volumes 21-32. Fake Karakura Town War was 33-48

>dude, Bleach was totally great after Soul Society
Thanks for the laugh, fellas
So? Popularity doesn't make something well-written.

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>covering for yourself by insulting me
But I haven't said anything that was insulting yet. And I don't need a source for things that are common knowledge. If I say water is wet, do I need a source? I need a source if I say the sun is yellow, right?

Speaking of Kishi, WSJ and editorial interference. What are the odds that Kishi got a better contract on his new Samurai manga? I don't think most people liked the beginning of HxH that much just like people aren't taking to well to this Samurai manga but, Kishi's had like 5 years of downtime to work on it so it's possible that some good arcs can come out and he can actually do what he wants with it if he got a good deal with WSJ like Togashi did with HxH. From what I've seen of Samurai I don't like the character design or aesthetic of Samurai as much as Naruto but neither did I like HxH as much as Yu Yu Hakusho at first. I'd say it's only fair that they give Kishi at least a hundred / 150 chapters to see where this goes after the cashcow he brought to WSJ with Naruto and all the strings they pulled along the way with it

>All he did was restart his heart with his nen acting as a pacemaker.
I really don't care what happened but some people are just salty it happened in general or that his brain was deprived of oxygen for however long

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>That gin asspull, im that good guy
Gin was being creepy behind Aizen´s back the entire arc, the betrayal was obvious. And he wasn´t a good guy, he only cared about his waifu Rangiku

>things that are common knowledge

In this case "common stupidity" is more accurrate, because you're telling someone else's lie and believing it simply because they told you to. Which is even more pathetic than lying on the internet.

>coping this hard

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I won't read a hundred chapters of trash, hoping that it will get good eventually.

HxH was good from the beginning IMHO, although the art style wasn't great. But story-wise it was fine.

>people even considering Aizen a good villain
Literally the "Nuh-uh, I have another plan" to end all such characters. Fucking Xanatos from that Gargoyles cartoon in the 90s was better with his constant plan Bs and Cs, because he could at least take a fucking loss every now and then instead of "Nope, totally knew that would happen" or "lol, you were just hypnotized into thinking you got the better of me" for the umpteenth time.

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that sounds actually fucking awful, these are the kind of people that hate the War arc.

If that's what helps you sleep tonight, kiddo, be my guest. It's amuses me to no end that you honestly think Bleach was even remotely good after it became a massive suck off for the literal worst shonen villain to ever be written.

Do you have a citation to prove that it's a lie, or are you just spouting lies on the internet?

Cope

user, if you've been on Yea Forums for more than 30 minutes, you'd know that the burden of proof falls on the one making the claim. That you continue to deflect makes me even more sure that you don't have a source for your original statement.

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Only one coping I see is you (You), bucko

Thanks for the reply. Now cope

Concession accepted. Kneel, dog.

H-he's just taking a powernap.
Right?

>thinks burden of proof is a Yea Forums specific thing and not universal
Okay, that's kind of odd that you would imply that, but okay. Seriously though, it IS common knowledge that editors often have a strong influence on authors and the manga they create, If you somehow think this ISN'T common knowledge then I'm not sure where you've been all these years.

Get better retorts, newfag

Get better coping mechanisms

>trying this hard to save face

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>MC uses their ultimate attack on the main villain and he seems dead. Everyone celebrates for a little bit until The main villain comes back and blows up the MCs friend.

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The burden of proof isn't universal. For example, if you try to enter the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, they can accuse you of stuff, e.g. of being a terrorist, or intending to overstay your visa illegally. But the burden of proof isn't on them, it's on you. They expect you to prove them wrong or else you have to go back.

I cant argue that HxH didn't have a better start or appeal than Samurai from the getgo but the best material didn't come till later. I probably won't read any of Samurai myself but I'll keep an eye on the feedback of the people that actually are reading it incase something good does come of it. At least HxH had a lot of charm from the getgo, as did Naruto, but I Samurai kind of had a blank and bland start with not much appeal, but recent pages I'm seeing are making it look a little bit more appealing

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>Pssh he can't actually be dead I bet in the sequel he's hiding off somewhere
>Sequel shows a look alike
>Yeah that's probably him with forgotten memories or some shit right? Hahahaha
>Manager goes to the MCs grave and confirms he's dead
Hahaha it's just gonna end up being a clone or fake death right?

And yet you asked me to prove your claim false when you can't cite your own shit?

>Dragon Ball Z and Bleach, two of the most famous examples of series where the editors CONSTANTLY made the author change things.

This is a specific claim about two series that would be easy enough to cite if it were actually true and not just the combined assumptions of several other anons who you happen to be parrotting.

And I already made the point twice now, reading Bakuman doesn't make you an expert on the manga industry.

So, I'll ask one more time: do you have a source or are you just another mindless parrot? I think I already know the answer.

Okay but that has nothing to do with the burden of proof as it relates to a concept intended to improve logical argumentation. That's all about the government being able to do whatever it wants because they have the guns. Also, nice deflection, mr "I accuse others of deflection".

Lolwut

>assumptions
It's literally shit you can google in 4 seconds you faggot.
>DBZ
>Android saga
>19 and 20 show up
>Editor to Toriyama: Seriously? An old man and a fat mime? THESE are the villains?
>Toriyama reveals 17 and 18
>Editor: Fucking teenagers? For real?
>Toriyama introduces Cell
>Editor: Now we're talking, but is he always going to be a gross bug-man?

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>source: google

This is your master stroke? I guess I'll take the win on this one.

This conversation could have ended half an hour ago if you would just post a link to a source

>And yet you asked me to prove your claim false when you can't cite your own shit?
Is it this hard to understand that a hypothetical question isn't meant to be answered? I never ACTUALLY wanted you to cite anything, I was just using the same thing you had said earlier as a means of showing you how YOUR argument looked to others.

I don't even know what fucking Bakuman is and literally NOBODY else in the thread has mentioned it but you.

And I'll answer you again: I don't have a source, and I never claimed to have a source, and I don't need a source for claims that so obviously true that they are common knowledge. For example, I don't need a source if I claim that fish live in water or that most black people have naturally black hair.

Get fucked, you lazy newfags. Your inability to even provide any proof that Editors aren't shitty to their authors is just plain laughable.

This conversation could have ended long ago if you just looked something up for yourself for once.

To fucking end this torture

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I thought it was fucking heartbreaking and a great way to reestablish the powers of a logia

But then he would have to had eaten his own words and admit he's a massive retard, god forbid he even do that in this lifetime.

I don't really care enough to look it up though. It's not like i get any uni credits for this.

It certainly showed that islands in the paradise side of the Grand Line are fucked if they don't learn about haki to combat logia users since even the weakest ones of that type can wreck anybody's shit there.

Doesn't that literally prove you wrong? He literally said Torishima wasn't his editor anymore

So you don't have a source, noted. Anyone can claim anything is "common knowledge" but that doesn't mean it can't be cited, and the fact tjat physicslly cannot do so for whatever reason is worrysome at the very least. Again, free win for me I guess.

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You're not even worth a you, you massive retard. The fact that you can't be bothered to look up a source for your own claims just shows how much of a brainlet newfag you are. But hey, keep acting like an arrogant cunt because you totes owned everyone in the thread despite having literal proof thrown in your face.

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You can take it as a win, I don't care, mr "I am incapable of looking things up on my own". But pretty much everybody else knows that it's common knowledge. That's literally the JOB of the editor. They EDIT.

Doesn't prove me wrong in particular since I'm neither poster, but regardless of whether Torishima was or wasn't his editor at that point, his advice did cause two important shifts in antagonists to the story. And his official editor caused the third

Nobody said it was just the one editor who rode his ass

Your claim was much more specific than simply "the editors are in charge of editing"; tou cited two specific examples and provided citations for exactly neither of them. So yeah, I'd call that a win.

>the item appears at the start of the story
Every single time

You cant kill kids in a shonen,especially a popular one.

How did you not know this?

I don't think they ever said it would kill him, but that it would kill anyone else. Nips are all living sticks that usually don't have the calories to spare. There are a lot of nips that even view the need to eat as a chore in itself. You'll notice some characters view eating a simple breakfast as if they were told to wash dishes or walk the dog. In Choji's clan's case they burn calories as chakra and this would kill anyone who isn't a fatty. It also isn't something they can just spam because they'll eventually run out of calories; which is worse than just running out of chakra since you don't die from running out of chakra but you can from using all of your bodies fat stores.

Keep shifting that goalpost, amigo. The fact that you can't just accept that you were wrong about the influence that editors have is just sad.

No, my claim was
>They instead tell you what you must change about the story and often make decisions about the plots of a manga that they have no hand in writing otherwise.
Dragon Ball Z and Bleach were EXAMPLES of that claim, as in EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE CLAIM. But since you couldn't be bothered to look up whether or not they WERE examples then that's YOUR fault.

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That's not evidence, that's cherry picking. You still didn't prove or cite anything.

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The mirror doesn't actually take any lifespan from any of them since the wish was pure and selfless I seem to remember. Even though that was Yusuke's plan

Hot

> implying luffy will even hit his 30s

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I didn't move the goalposts at any point in this conversation. I asked for a source, and you failed to provide one.

But you didn't provide sources for those either? It feels like you missed the point entirely.

There's also that kid Koala killed and the dead kid in the street in that Holocaust reference

It's right there, retard. You can keep ignoring it, but it's a source regardless of what your tiny brain tries to rationalize it away as.

and these two

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Nah, I think he'll get a good ways into his adult years, but definitely not much further than maybe 45 or so before he croaks. Of course, the big question is if he'll die in the final chapter or just some kind of final databook that Oda squeezes out to wrap up any lingering questions.

Are you quoting me as a source? I don't understand as you've neither linked a source nor made any attempt to provide one accurately.

who hurt you user

He will die as a pirate king. You can bet on that.

And weren't a few of the people Kill's brother stuck his pins in kids? There were probably some kids in the cars of the people he brainwashed as well.

N-no you were supposed to say "based" or call me a hunterchad. Now i just feel like an asshole..

Look up in the thread, retard. You can't be this brainless that you need your hand held for everything.

They are both series in which the editors told the author to change things, and then the authors changed things. Almost EVERY series would have this happening at some point in their run, especially for a weekly release. It's not my fault that you have missed the point that if you want some kind of irrefutable evidence like a video of the author talking about it then you have to look it up for yourself. I have zero reason to post a source for something that is as common knowledge as the fact that naughty bits often get censored.

I'll handhold you, user, he was talking about

No doubt of that, but the sheer length of the chapter, or even parts of the finale are probably gonna be enough to fill a fucking single volume with how much stuff Oda would have to cover once the final battle is finished.

So far I've seen a snippet of an interview that partially supports your claim, that you clearly did not post yourself. So I don't see how thats a point for you at all, especially since it doesn't prove your entire argument. Past that you've made some argumentum ad populum, thats all.

Have eaten animal brain roasted, poached, and fried and it is by far not the best part of any animal. Even tried it raw with lime juice which I advice not to do in hindsight as there are a lot of viruses that can live in a brain that can only be killed by heat. Flavor is just metallic and the texture is somewhere between tofu and large curd cottage cheese. Pretty much if you've ever eaten a rich blood sausage is what the flavor is, however without all of the spices and filler that make it more palatable. On a human and most mammals the better meat is usually near the back at the loin along the spine. The liver is could also be a good option, however I would only recommend a young liver as older humans tend to get a lot more use out of their livers, and I don't really know how if at all that would affect the taste.

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Here i'll make it easier for you. Just provide proof for one of the things you claimed and i'll be satisfied. You don't even have to prove all of it now, because i'm getting tired.

>still thinks I'm gonna say anything other that "look it up yourself"

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>a point for you
You really are some autistic faggot, aren't you? This isn't about winning points or even losing them. This is proving you wrong that editors are somehow uninfluential in the works that they oversee. This is proving that you don't know what you're talking about at all when it comes to the world of manga. The fact that you keep throwing around points and big words just makes you look like a complete dipshit trying way too hard to save face after being completely and utterly proven wrong in his false claims.

There's still Oito's baby and the 5 year old that Bisky's protecting stuck in the succession war too, I mean Araki killed a baby in part 1 of Jojo but would it was slightly offscreen, would Togashi dare show a baby being killed off?

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Is it safe to say that body builders are the best humans to canabalize?

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>proving that you don't know what you're talking about at all when it comes to the world of manga

No, thats what I'm proving, because you've made a claim that you simply heard from some other user. And by the way, one specific example doesn't prove "constant meddling" by the editor. So you stil haven't proven your argument.

I think the best use of it was in a recent jojo chapter, where the move a character uses makes it so a person sees all buses as someone he wants to talk to, and he promp get demolished. I can see why he wouldn't use that move all the time

>partially supports your claim
Are you just being willfully ignorant? An editor said "hey Toriyama you should change that" and Tori's thought was "well now I HAVE to change it". That's EXACTLY what I was talking about.

The ball's rolling with Cammy's untouchables, but the baby's nen beast might take care of business

Dude come on man, i can't go to sleep until i win this internet argument

>I-I-It's just one example, that doesn't prove anything
Here, have one last (You), you fucking retard. The amount of hoops you keep fucking jumping through is goddamn astonishing.

Okay, what about Bleach? Or any other DB arc besides the Cell arc?

Irony

No, I'M the one who made the claim that editors have a strong influence over the plots of manga, you're replying to a different user. I can't PROVE the sky is blue, since I don't own a camera to show you a picture, so I guess there's ZERO reason for you to believe the sky is blue. OH! I KNOW! You could look for yourself and see!

Didn't the manga version of Jojo show the baby's face being chewed on? I know the anime cuts away from the worst of it, but still. Of course, that was in the 80s, and Japan's rules were more lax then compared to the last 20 or so years where it seems to depend on what they'll allow or object to. Granted, the rules are more strict with anime adaptions, hence why we've only once ever seen Luffy inflicting his first scar.

That was his past editor that told him that. The current editor with actual power over DBZ at the time said zip.

I said it was my last (You). Stop replying to me.

There is no irony, retard. Stop using words like you even remotely think you know what they mean

Don't ever write a story,what about his themes of self sacrifice that was down to his character design.
>Ah fuck that I want to make guy look cool for no reason.

>but the editors wouldn't allow him to.
They ruin everything

You coukd cite a source that proves that without you literally taking a picture of the sky. That is what I asked THAT user for, because be made two very specific claims and supported neither of them. Not my fault you missed that part.

Okay

what are you guys even arguing about anymore

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I never said it had to be an editor currently working on the project, in fact I said
>often make decisions about the plots of a manga that they have no hand in writing otherwise
which cover this case of a previous editor STILL maintaining such influence fairly nicely.

The irony is how far you've gone out of your way not to provide a source.

mother of christ

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No, you're telling me to cite a source now, I am the same the same user who made the initial claim. I already told you I refuse to baby you and look it up for you, YOU have to look it up, OR just be content not doing so and leave it at that. The rest of us don't care that you're so ignorant to how the manga industry works that you think the influence of the editor is even up for debate.

Except that's literally not how it works, retard. You made a claim, you are the one who has to provide proof. And yet when given proof, you disregard it as "a single instance" like some child refusing to accept facts when faced with one that is incontestable.

Have you considered that this is a shounen? Making the characters look cool is like, the whole point.

Just say "I don't have a source". Its okay, really.

>luffy will die before his 50s due to gear spamming
Daily reminder luffy will die on the shore of raftel and straw hats will fuck off because if luffy can't claim one piece it doesn't matter.

>You made a claim, you are the one who has to provide proof

Again, irony.

BUT I ALREADY SAID THAT HERE
>I don't have a source, and I never claimed to have a source, and I don't need a source for claims that so obviously true that they are common knowledge
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING AT THIS POINT?

I was just browsing through the thread but I saw
>cliches
>editors back seat driving
and
>the intricacies of eating humans

That's just retarded. No, he'll get the One Piece, probably after Blackbeard or whoever the final boss is tries to steal it away, then we'll probably get some lengthy epilogue about how he fucks about around the Grand Line a few more times to hit up all of the islands he didn't get to reach the first time, probably even bumming over to the South, West, and North blues to fuck about there and then the final scene ending with him being executed by Koby and claiming he left some shit all over the world to spark another pirate age.

In expense of good writing,no. Make it both well written and cool.

That still isn't how irony works, retard. Stop misusing words you clearly don't fucking know the meaning of, you absolute grade-school level dipshit.

>that faggot not quoting even tho it still counts as replying

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What the other user is telling you is that YOU are making a claim. YOUR claim is "editors DO NOT have a strong influence over authors".

I don't actually think you were trying to make that claim, I think you were just being contrarian when you asked for a citation. The other user thinks your asking for a source was YOU making a claim to the contrary of my statement.

I still personally think Goku's whole heart virus thing was originally intended to be a draw back to overusing Super Saiyan but editors wanted DBZ to turn into the Super Saiyan show for maximum profits and merchandising

No it doesn't, newfag. But hey, keep pretending it counts as a reply even when it's not giving your faggot ass the (You)s your sorry ass is jonesing for.

Killing them in that arc would've been cool as hell, much better than killing Neji at the war and its not like they were that relevant later. Kishi should've killed half of the cast to make the seriousness of the state of the ninja world much more serious but nah they had to be all gya about it.

Do you have any idea how many kids died in the chunin exams arc?

You still replied. I know you are talking to me. You are still wasting your time and effort on me

Only bad guys,you can't kill the good kids in a shonen(if that happens very rare).

Big whoop, all you can seem to do is just cope and seethe because you got utterly fucking wrecked by everyone in the thread and then just shout big words you don't know the meaning of to save what little face you have left. It's sad that you even think anyone cares that someone is "talking" to your sorry ass anymore.

>the kids from the rain village were bad even though they were doing exactly what they were told to do by their instructors when Gaara killed them

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>still arguing ad populum
Sad

Asking for proof of a claim =! Making a claim

And as it stands, anons's original claim remains unproven

They aren't in fact they'd be one of the worst. Lactic acid is something that is released by your muscles which is that burning feeling you get when you work out. This causes a bitter taste that is what people associate with the flavor of wild game that is off-putting to many. In asia however they enjoy the flavor which is why they believe it's best for animals to be stressed and tortured to increase flavor. In the rest of the world though it's thought best to kill animals quickly and humanely as to cause the least amount of stress possible, as the tensing of muscles from stress will causes the production of lactic acid which can tinge the flavor of the meat. You can defiantly taste a difference if you are a Hunter and hunt in different areas. If you harvest a Deer or Pig from a forest with more level lands they tend to taste better than ones harvested from Rocky mountains with steep hills. As well Females always taste better than males, since the males bulk muscle up for sparing. Then in Japan with Kobe beef the cattle are fattened, fed beer, and massaged to reduce stress and produce a higher quality meat. Meat is graded by fat marbling which is how much fat has worked its way into the meat. There are other factors such as bone density that can affect a meats grade, but a good fat marble though the meat is more important as even a young animal can have poor marbling. Fat helps moisten meat during the cooking process and equals flavor. Without fat you have a dry and tough end product.

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Some of those kids were hardly bad guys. Assholes, maybe, but that hardly justifies getting killed.

I have no idea who these comments are intended for, but you seem upset

That faggot isn't worth any more time, user, he's just trying to be contrarian for the sake of it because he thinks it's the "big brained" approach.

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>d-did I say kids? I meant BAD kids... that's right. I am not moving the goal post at all.

>u-u-u mad
Whatever, kiddo. Meme harder while you're shitposting why don't you?

>still replying
I'm not the user you were arguing with. I don't even know on what sides you faggots are.
I'm just telling you you look like the bigger retard posting like that.

What could the editors realistically do if she insisted on killing them off? It's his manga after all

Kneel.

not Chrollo or Hisoka

>all these characters use moves that are supposed to kill them, it doesn't
>But Neji dies

Bravo Kishimoto, Bravo

>I'm not the same guy
Yea, sure. You're the only faggot here if you really think replying to "tell" someone mean jack shit, retard.

And I will continue to deny providing you a source for water being wet, user. Sad that you think you need one.

>Asking for proof of a claim =! Making a claim
I know, I even said I didn't think you were actually making that point.
>I don't actually think you were trying to make that claim, I think you were just being contrarian when you asked for a citation

Still a reply

No, it really isn't, retard.

>Take poisonous pills
>Converts your body fat to chakra at an astonishing rate
>Choji is fat so he survived it anyway, long enough for Tsunade to eliminate the poison.
This part makes sense for a battle shounen. It's palatable, even if it doesn't entirely make sense.

>There exists pills that will rapidly convert your fat into chakra
>Medical advancements in the setting have completely neutralized the poison
>However, there also still exist fat people in the Naruto universe
THIS is the real plothole.

I just wanted to make a thread about shitty shonen tropes. Instead, it devolves into arguing about I don't even know what anymore.

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Not allow them to publish anymore? The author doesn't own the printing machines or the digital editing software and all the resources that a company like Shonen Jump has. The author has VERY LITTLE actual power or authority within a company like Shonen Jump.

Actually yes. I said something, and you said something in response

Get fucked OP, you can lead a cow to water but you can't make him fucking drink it

Chill

>don't allow one of their best money makers to publish his manga
That's a great idea

Still wrong, dipshit.

Neji dies because he was right in the first place when he told Naruto about destiny. Kishimoto didn't want to have to acknowledge that.

More like he died because he wanted some cheap drama given Guy fucking dies not 4 minutes after and Naruto Jesuses him back to life because he's just that powerful now that he can undo death.

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If the editor thinks it's gonna affect sales then they're not gonna let you do it. It doesn't really matter how much better it would be for a series, the editor's job is to make things appeal to the largest audience possible and if that means telling you that can't kill a fan-favorite character then by George you're not gonna be allowed to kill that character without pissing off your editor and probably getting AXED like Kubo.

>getting AXED like Kubo
[citation needed]

Being fat or not has nothing to do with it, it's about how much weight he lost. He went from fat to thin. If you lose 2kg in an instant vs 50kg in an instant the 2 regardless of what your weight was before. The 50 is probably gonna be a lot more strenuous.

Right back at ya, kiddo

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the 2 isn't going to be harmful regardless of what your weight was before*

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And if the writer decides not to write at all then the publisher loses out on even more money.

The entire system doesn't make a lot of sense but it's still palatable for the context of a battle shounen. I just want to know why the fuck fat people exist when the Akimichi clan could open clinics around the ninja world and sell the Spinach pills for a high yet affordable cost. It's secret medicine so it makes sense for it to not be a widely sold product, but they could easily make mad bank off of the weakest one.

>no source

And the cycle continues.

Cope

They just hire a different author, usually one who works for less money.

Seething

You assume that obesity is a problem in the Naruto world like it is in ours. From what can be seen, they probably don't have as much issues with fatties, and thus no need to market miracle weight loss shit.

It's a big enough problem

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Ruining one waifu is hardly an epidemic.

This is the sad fate of authors that signed their rights away to the machine

I don't think being obese in Naruto land has the same consequences for one's health as it does irl. Though I too was quite disappointed by what they did to Anko.

Cope

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For a lot of authors it's either sell your soul or never get published. Very few people have the resources to independently create, publish, and make money off of something like a manga. Most people NEED a big publisher or they'll never be able to make any money at all for their work, and the publishers know this.

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Prime Kubo.

It is.

>faggots fagging on one another

>To be fair, Kishimoto wanted to kill Neji and Choji at the end of part 1 but the editors wouldn't allow him to.

Why do you idiots make up such stupid bullshit. How about you provide some proof.

Bad guys killing good guys that we don't care about is okay,the point is to not trigger shonen kids by killing of their favourites and lessen your ratings.

Just after he turns 19. No good kids killed. Good way to make sure fagruto suffer for his hipocrisy.

He was sent to a special Nara research centre to be cured faggot,only tsunade was able to take out poison(most skilled medical ninja).

I am of the opinion that both Neji and Choji should have died on that mission, and Akamaru would be so physically wrecked that he can't ever perform missions again (pretty much making Kiba useless too). This Sasuke Retrieval Mission was supposed to be extremely dangerous, and both Naruto and Shikamaru would have learned a hard lesson of being far too arrogant and risking everything to get Sasuke back when he was a criminal.

You're expecting actual consequence out of a dangerous situation in a shonen.
Stop it.

>Shonen
No, just Naruto. This shit doesn't happen in One Piece or Hunter x Hunter, where actual characters died for their fuck-ups.

Why kill off characters for no reason?

I mean japs live an awful long time so a reduced lifespan isn't that bad for them.

Not fucking main cast characters that you are invested in,you think they will ever kill off either fodder like usopp of leorio?

Hardly anyone dies in One Piece even after Ace and Whitebeard broke the "rule" of major characters croaking in the story. Pell got nuked and somehow walked it off. Gin is probably still alive despite being poisoned 2 years ago in-universe. And we had confirmation that the collars the nobles have on their slaves don't always kill them when they go boom.

>series has been running for over 20 years, and several characters have done a truckload of things that "severely shorten your lifespan" to either gain more power or survive a near death experience/injury

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>Gear 5 : Sailor Man

Got to wonder how many times Oda thinks about the final fight with Blackbeard and how he wants it to play out.

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Speaking of gears, anyone else wonder if there's gonna be some kind of "Gear 1" and "Gear 0" bullshit? While I know the general opinion is "his base form is gear 1", it certainly would be a shonen thing of Oda to do by revealing that Luffy came up with a 1 and possibly 0 form long ago but didn't dare use them because they were far more dangerous than 2 and 3 were pre-timeskip.

Rikudo Madara is very cute! Stop arguing and look at the moon for him!

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Unironically better animation than One Piece, and I say that as a fan of the anime.

I'll show you a moon!
*unzips ass*

that fight was supposed to show that Choji ain't no bitch and is ready to die, if it weren't for this he'd just be a useless fatass

Whoa! An eclipse!

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I don't think anyone would argue that. While early One piece wasn't ever anything to write home about, it was at least much more faithful looking than what Toei started going with around the Long Ring Long Island arc. And while the big fights usually do look great, it's sucks an unfathomable amount of cocks that they just phone in the animation so much for one of their most profitable shows. Even if there is a One Piece Kai or whatever 60 years from now, there's no way to know if it'll be that much of an improvement over the current anime aside from maybe trimming out much of the filler.
There will still be like 20 Rebecca flashbacks

Quiet, Madara, or I'll seal you in that precious moon of yours.

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Madara sama, thank you for the dreams.

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holy fuck

H-he split the moon into four?!!

One piece anime is terrible because of how long they drag shit out to make sure they dont catch up with the manga.

They'll turn one chapter into 10 episodes, with lots of flashbacks, and one of those episodes being a re-cap episode.

No! I need to bring dreams to people!
You're welcome, child, what did you dream about tonight?

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I know, Hinata has tits in that picture unlike her inexplicably flat-chested self in the Burrito show.

Isn't it cute?Sakura likes to cross dress for Sasuke,he asks for it everytime.

Incest,Madara sama. Nejihina.

I really like this idea.

I still don't get why they dropped doing the chapter cover arcs. They only ever did like 3 of the things, and the last was with Koby training under Garp. While some of those things weren't especially long, I'd think each one could probably make up 2-3 episodes depending on their length and how the action would translate into anime form. That shit alone would have given them plenty of time to breath and not be rear ending the manga every other day.

Madara dreams for our dreams to come true!

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Was it forced or willing?

because fucking money

Well that can't be a comfy place to sleep, there's so much dust!

Obviously consensual user,Neji-nii san will never hurt Hina-chan ever again.

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>For no reason
Missions are supposed to be dangerous. The Sound Five were extremely powerful shinobi that could fight against Jonin with their cursed seals. Neji was impaled quite a number of times and exhausted most of his chakra fighting against Kidomaru. Choji should have died from the after-effects of gaining so much power with the forbidden red pill. The deaths should have taught Naruto a lesson on sacrificing his friends to save Sasuke, and Shikamaru a lesson on being too arrogant and underprepared. What good was Shikamaru's final Part 1 moment when Choji and Neji survived?

Gon would have died f it weren't for a BS power-up. Quite a number of side protagonists died in Chimera Ant arc. Minor characters die in flashbacks in One Piece.

Pedro died on Whole Cake. Shiliew killed off Absalom. Law killed off Monet and Vergo. Yasu died a few chapters ago. Granted they are minor characters but they still die, most of whom because they fucked up.

No, Gon would have died if his lifetime butt-buddy didn't get his tranny "sister" to wish him back into better health.

Neji-nii is having dreams himself Madara sama.

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All that worth for a big drop in ratings,sure.

For me, it is the Naruto style sexy no jutsu. The best transformation jutsu. I even ask for extra Naruto clones and the Sakura is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for Naruto sexy no jutsu and she gave me three Naruto clones. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly Sakura laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".

Now Sakura greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three clones. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local hidden village, I go there at least 3 times a week for Naruto sexy no jutsu and a large amount of clones instead of spending any time with my daughter, 1-2 times for Naruto sexy no jutsu on the weekend, and maybe once for Naruto sexy no jutsu when I'm in a rush to leave again but want a great jutsu that is affable, flashy, and can match my daily Naruto needs.

I even dip my chidori stream in Naruto sauce, it's delicious! What a great jutsu.

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Based

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But Hinata loves Naruto, why would she consent to this? Is it part of her training?

>haha shonentards are babies, haha!!
>*watches moe and harem shit*

Based Sasukek kun.
Maybe I'll transform into Naruko and come to you next time or I'll send Naruko to you him(er)self. He(she) always let guard down around me.

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>this technique reduces my lifespan
>1 day in fiction lasts like a week

>genderbender
Disgusting.

Yes,they trained together alone for 6 years after chunin exams,they love each other in many ways.

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So cute
Right, I want to give him a pillow and put covers on him

>Character dies
>Turns out to be alive all along and is now a villain

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how many of them are in one piece?

I want to protect Obito

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Where are Tobirama's and Madara's moms?

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That was such a retarded move.
It you want to introduce Kaguya after killing Madara, then why don't you let Guy do it ? Make it so Guy ruined Zetsu's plan, so he has to summon Kaguya earlier or some bullshit like that

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>Character has a supposedly uber powerful move that'll destroy their body if they continue to use it
>Character proceeds to use it dozens and dozens of times afterwards
>It's not even that strong

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>villain

>post gets active again.

got back from school?

>desu
argument invALID

when you write t.b.h it autocorrects to desu
desu

I'm at work, working hard, bringing dreams to everyone who's having an afternoon nap. Look at the moon.

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>>tons of characters get introduced and given interesting looks and abilities
>>almost every fight in the series is offscreen
God i fucking hate Oda

Popeye covers all the fighting shounen cliches.
>hot blooded main character
Check
>equally hot blooded rival
Check
>love interest
Check
>funny side kick
Check
>gotta use that move
Check

Could you please stop pulling the shit out of your asshole and treat it as a fact?

Me too, I love him. Fortunately Rin protects him now!

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I'm glad they are together!

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remember, the people in the one piece world can live up to 140 years, as seen with Kureha.

smart user, that's rare on here.

Post Tobirama memes

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So you can be shocked when it actually does happen and character dies.

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You were doing well, then you wrote 4b and everything went to shit.
That being said, no heritage for Naruto is also dumb.

Silly OP, japanese people in cartoon doesnt die when they are killed

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Right, do not kill off the Obito like that, he needs to save his girl and then the world!

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Kishimoto should have killed Hinata instead of Neji.
Would be much more impactful and would develop Neji's character into finally accepting his family deeds through the act of trying it with Hanabi (thus making her character have a point in existing). Naruto's victory would be bittersweet, removing his main love interest and erasing that dreadful next generation ending full of mongrel ninja.

How can an author fuck up so much? Not killing Neji and Choji, not killing Hinata instead of Neji, not giving Might Guy his awesome death... This motherfucker did all the wrong choices on purpose.

Fuck off then

Lack of skill from authors and greed from editors.
Character death is an important literary mechanic to create tangible impact, add tension and stimulate invest in the reader. If there is the possibility of demise, the story is more interesting because it can take more turns - instead of the usual protagonist team being railroaded to certain victory.

Gantz is shit but does it right. I don't like mentioning american comics, but The Walking Dead succeeds in this regard too. Then we have the opposite in One Piece, where the protagonists are barely characters anymore.

Death doesn't HAVE to happen, but it should be a possibility if the dangers are high enough that the author starts pussying around hinting at death but never going through or using cope outs like "life reducing techniques" that never bear consequence.

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naruto always is like that, that arc was terrible, the guy with bone going to kill gaara, oh no he dies because he has a disease -.-

>Character is getting stomped
>Massively outclassed in all categories
>All bones broken, not a drop of blood left in his body
>"What is this crazy willpower" He just won't stay down!"
>Lands one hit that is more powerful than the entire beating he just took and wins

Nah, replacements never go well. Look how everyone felt in-universe when Sai replaced Sasuke

>this thread stays alive
>my thread about my disgust for dragon lolis gets pruned

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How come hardly anyone wants to self insert as Sasuke, while everyone self inserts as Naruto.

Because Sasuke is a fag

>person does something that should be fatal in real life
>they don't die
happens all the time.

kek brainlet who doesn't read hxh

How? He expresses the most masculine traits out of all the main leads in the series.

>Sakura realizes how her obsession over Sasuke is poisonous
But she wasn't obsessed

Trips of truth. Neji and Lee had an even better fight

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It's because people self-insert as Naruto and reverse psychology Naruto's obscession with Sasuke as something that Sasuke is responsible for.

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>people still defend being able to use your abilities after you have been killed
At least YYH had the balls to actually finish the story, even if it was also bullshit.

>they always starts the battle with the least amount of power they can muster

>deflecting this hard

Sad d e s u

>and a great way to reestablish the powers of a logia
It was already established several times during this arc. This scene added nothing to it except establish last second a group and then killing them off.

o_0

>Decides she loves him prior to having any actual conversations with him or getting to know him at all
>not obsessed

>He doesn't know about word filters and thinks that "desu" somehow invalidates any actual points the other guy made

>Practiced users are able to convert their calories into chakra on their own through a process known as Calorie Control because they are in complete control of how much of their body weight is turned into chakra, it poses less of a risk to the user.
This wasnt even a thing until much later on and Choji was asspulled from dying

Karin is obsession. That sounds like a school crush.

kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/cell/

google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/10/15/kazuhiko-torishima-on-shaping-the-success-of-dragon-ball-and-the-origins-of-dragon-quest/amp/

Not the faggots who refused to provide the source

Also the naruto fan book is a good read if your interested the actual changes editors made to naruto

Hello! Look at the moon tonight. I have some good dreams for you today as well! Also few lucky ones will experience lucid dreaming. Wonderful.

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Because HE MIGHT DIE rings eternally hollow.

Rest in dirt you insufferable cunt, try to demonbane the reaper’s scythe

The bit with Kira was bullshit. As if a fucking watch would tank that shot when it put a hole in a large book

>"Slices moon in half"
No way fag

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W-what are you doing to my moon?! Bad dreams for you tonight!

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That is dumb, how does that even work
Editors are assholes but they cannot just replace authors like that
Are you pulling this out of your ass?

Damn you, madara. You keep giving me fever dreams.
>sauce
>masculine
LOL

>fever dreams
Oh I'm sorry, I don't have any power over those. Hope you feel better soon.

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madara should have died, it would have been perfect. The series would have gone back to "overcoming adversity" and push all the "the chosen one" crap aside at least for an instant, but no, that was too much to ask.

>Madara should have died
Y-yes. I wish he died in his sage form

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He did tho

The moon rabbit just absorbed the sage energy in his body and spat him out, so he was back to normal afterwards.

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Yes, I know, but we didn't see his dead sage body ... sigh. You know how I am, ratto.

Because it happens in real life more than you realize.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

You can thank me later
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(3/3)
Reverse image search coughs up one more image that's similar to the second, and one involving a self-insert oc and several hashimada pics.
This is all i could find but i'm pretty sure youll enjoy it.

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Man didn't know this was a thing. I still like Madara's dark-haired version more

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W-whoa, careful, you're going to turn me into a fujo with this. I usually just ship my favourite characters with myself but that is old I guess? Damn. I really like the third one. Injured and/or dying Rikudo Madara makes me feel ... strong emotions.

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Everytime theres news of an athlete dying because of overexertion I think of this.

Doesn't mean Luffy couldn't have shaved off 40-60+ years of his life depending on how much the unrefined gears taxed his body for. Plus, hardly anyone else seems to ever reach their 60s before they die if they're active like Luffy and other pirates, with Whitebeard and Big Mom being the only exceptions. Kaido's still unknown since he may be immortal and much older than anyone has thought to consider.

Normal Madara is cool, but his sage form is super cute and he looks so good and pure in all the white. He's like a good spirit and I want to protect him. Also the horns? Third eye? Super pale skin? Visible collarbones? A godly, modest robe? Hair not in his face all the time? LEGS? I can't resist. He is too perfect and I love him so much.

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None. Not kidding, can't think of a single character in OP that "died" while being good and came back as a bad guy later on.

>killing the best girl

Kill yourself retard.

Dude, even after getting to be on a team with him and him practically saying "You're a fucking bitch", Sakura continued to fawn over Sasuke and bicker with Ino about which of the two he liked. Dem bitches were obsessed with a guy who has the personality of driftwood.

Good kids die in Hunter? It's always no names.

Except that's wrong, the kids who got chowed on in the chimera ant arc had names, just nothing worth remembering since they don't come up again until the arc's conclusion.

It's bad guys pretend to die and come back later as bad guys I guess then.

So memorable good kids don't die,you can't do that with shonen,too many triggered backlash from kids to handle of someone same age dying,even Neji died after he became 19,same with the most minor character died in One piece(is 19,I'm not sure but someone who knows really well of One piece said that.)

>too many triggered backlash from kids
Nigga, I fucking doubt kids in real life would give a damn if they saw fictional kids die in manga.

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...

>Charismatic mentor Character dies halfway through the series

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If you mean Jiraiya, he miiiight come back. He wasn't brought back by Nagato's rinne rebirth, nor he was edo tensei'd. He might be alive.

What really pisses me off is when they save a character from something that is supposed to kill them yet after that incident they are pointless for the rest of the series.

>choji
>popular

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>*actions*
Dumb manchild

>characters were all enemies in a huge skirmish at one point
>they become friends and NOBODY holds a grudge for the shit the others pulled at all

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Remember when Mayuri went on a rant about Quincies to Uryu and showed him a photo of his Grandpa's corpse?
Then Uryu has no problem with him afterward

>Oh, you boys want some medicine for that poison? Sure, but hold on a sec, need to fuck my artificial daughter or whatever the hell this bitch is, lol

>he just had a picture of his grandpa he tortured in his pocket
God I had forgotten how dumb Bleach got

And then it turned out the Quincies weren't fucking extinct and just in hiding or some shit. Goddamn, Kubo.

Mayuri did nothing wrong

Ippo?

That arc was overall fighting Kino.

Good work on painting that Moon, Madara.

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I like how Kubo built up Kenpachi finally using his bamkai and then when he used it, it did literally nothing to the Miracle guy, who only died via plot convience because Kubo made him the strongest fucking character

>it did literally nothing
You mean "figuatively" did nothing, cause Kenny was kicking his ass until he started feeling the kickback of his Bankai. Honestly the foreshadowing here was God-tier and most anons still have no idea.

Thank you, so much, I work very hard every night. P-please look at it, everyone!

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I dropped it after The Heart Am I missing much?

No, not really.

You got pleb filtered, don't worry about it

>literal theme of the show is that your strength of character is more important then your genetics and lineage
>DUDE NARUTO'S SNOWFLAKE LINEAGE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE OUT LMAO WE NEED TO SEE HOW SPECIAL HE IS

Very common in Fairy Tail. There was a guy I think who sacrificed his life 2 or 3 times, and miraculously survived. One of the worst was near the end where some girl stabbed herself to save her love. There were tears, last words, flashbacks, lots of sadness and drama. Next chapter or two she gets healed by some random dude who goes like "Woah! Good thing I was nearby! Otherwise you would have died for sure!"

> Choji also never really did anything of important again
He made this. That is important enough.

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shonen is not a genre idiot, more than half of the manga published is shonen

Because manga writers are hacks

>Naruto was good
You must be 18 or older to post here.

You're a hack, and a fag

no, the best humans to cannibalize is someone who has both muscles and fat. like shaq.

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bump

anti-bump

>and almost Machi
She's the love interest for him. The unnecessary hints are there.

Because Kishimoto is a faggot

It was good though you nigger

No

Yes

Prove it.

No

I win.

No, I win

I'm telling on you.

Meet me on the playground faggot

OOOOOOH user said the F word!

Uryu was in no possition to do anything against Mayuri in HM. Literally because he was dying from his fight with Szayel and figuratively because rescuing Orihime was more important

I think hes fine :_;

Will sakura become more loved than Sasuke if she remains fapbait and shipping fuel?

Anyhow editors don't like that shit

>ow?

based-cala poster

You can't call people manchildren if you don't even know how to post without looking like a fucking illiterate.

ladies and gentlemen: my friend david

Says the guy who has probably never written a thing in his life