Why are Elevens so obsessed with the idea of talent?

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Because the artist is an example of the one who never make it anywhere to manga industry despite has been drawing for years to decade so he can only rely on cheap shock in his doujin.

Because they are aware that no matter how much effort you put, if you don't have the skill or ability required, it will be a waste of time that you won't get back.
Look at Zelda in BotW, for example.

Get the fuck out of here.

Bitch was so dumb she didn't even realize that the fountains gave her the whole fucking triforce.

Whoops. Better hold on to this for a hundred years.

>Forced Yui to have sex with a creepy old dude in a music shop.

I don't want your forgiveness.

Because, hard work will never beat true talent.

* As long as the talented maintain their form long enough so that they don't atrophy when they inevitably get old and busted
There's a reason why you have people who peaked in their teens and early twenties as a character trope

Because it's just an excuse for some people to be a lazy piece of shit.

coping mechanism

>talent
talent is a word invented by resourceless/dumb people to excuse their lack of success

Because the so called "talented people" usually put in more effort than anyone else, even if they do happen to have natural talent for it. But that is hard to accept, so people just call them talented as if it was a gift from the heavens.

Talent IS a gift from the heavens, because not everyone has it
It's just that there are talented people who actually put it to use

Everybody is obsessed with talent.
Whenever I mention I do mathematics for living, every other normie will start ranting how they never had the talent required to finish HS math.

there are talented people who dont put the work in and fail. talent does not guarantee success.
japs saying well i dont have talent so im going to fail vs the talented is the "it cant be helped defense"

I think that is because Japs are bad at every single sport when you compare them with the rest of the world, and after losing over and over again in everything they started obsessing over the idea of prodigious genes and extremely talented people, they want their Tsubasa to come and show to the world that Japs are good at something too.

Makes sense.

Why are westerners obsessed with the idea that any skill can be learned on master level with enough practice?

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Phew, thank God I stopped trying at things after I was around 14

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Care to go deeper? It seems I missed something important.

Why even try in the first place? I don't care about life enough to put that much effort in.

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Their religion/ideology forbids them to critique capitalism and differences in upbringing and possibilities, therefore they blame their lack of genetic/from the birth traits instead.

Yes, but there are already so many people with talent who also work hard that someone without talent will definitely fail whether or not they work hard.

Because talent is a cheat that beats hard work without even working that hard 100% of the time. Your life is decided the moment you are born.

Because talent is everything.

holy shit this is depressing

His art isn't that good.

Well that's true. You wouldn't be doing Maths for a living if you didn't have the talent, even if you were studying 16 hours a day since being 5 years old.

I mean talent for math definitely exists.

because they all work pretty hard. not working hard is shameful in their society.
so they need some explanation for why certain people succeed more than others.

Westerners aren't hard workers.

This. I wish there was a universal aptitude test that'd be mandatory to take at age 10 which had the ability to completely disbar people from certain career paths. No retakes.

I wish more shows acknowledged that talent is all that matters in the long run. It's cruel to allow starry-eyed hopefuls to toil day after day towards a completely fruitless pursuit, and then tell them that it's their fault that they didn't work hard enough or work smart enough when they inevitably burn out. It's an injustice.

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The Japanese want failure to be out of their control. That no matter how hard they worked, they simply werent ever going to achieve their intended goal.

Americans all think they are winners in wait and their time is coming. They'll spend their entire lives delluded in the idea that their winning lottery ticket fulfilling their dreams just hasn't arrived. They're just as full of shit.

Things just kind of happen. They're two different ways of viewing eventual success and shifting the idea of failure.

Sometimes you can make all the right moves and still lose.

They're not stupid enough to believe in a meritocracy.

The main theme of the show is that you need more than talent to be successful.

Because they're right? Do you really believe that "MUH HARD WORK" means anything?

why are people who are obviously good at something (and very obviously talented) so upset over such an inoffensive comment? are they really delusional enough to believe that a decade of practice solely got them to where they are? practice isn't even that useful. 70% of their ability is due to fucking talent.

Worked fine for me. Unless this just means I'm talented at everything?

Unironically yes. If you got significantly better, you had talent.

>The main theme of the show is that you need more than talent to be successful.
What? Peko fucked around for most of the time, but because he was a genius all he needed was to get serious and he fucking BTFO'd the entire cast of guys working their assess off 24/7. Obviously even with talent you need to put in some work to be good, but the difference is abysmal, which was portrayed in the show.

>and he fucking BTFO'd the entire cast of guys working their assess off 24/7
this

the whole of the point of the show is to accept your place in the world. you are not the protagonist. someone else is, because they were gifted and hand-picked by the universe.

This is why their societies/culture suck.

i'd say they're pretty level-headed and honest.

Peko looses to a guy who is not talented but works hard and loves the sport and he didn't just kind of got serious he started practicing with the Olympics team and i don't think that is easy, the show shows you people with talent that works hard but doesn't love the sport (smile and dragon) people who works hard and loves the sport but is not talented (glasses guy) people who just plainly gives up and the ones who are talented work hard and loves what they do, peeko would not have gotten anywhere if he didn't love what he did and did not work hard, talent alone will not get you anywhere.

Meanwhile Americans vote against their own interests because they think any day they're going to be become rich.

there is a whole shitload of asian people because of rice farming demanding a lot of manual work, they no longer farm that much but the abundance of people remained

in the sea of people of similarly generalisable destiny youre bound to be attracted to the idea of being somehow one of a kind

Obviously there's always going to be some element of luck involved, but blaming everything on talent or lack thereof is just a loser mentality that seeks to shift blame away from oneself.

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I'd say it's a 50/50 split between series that go "talent is everything" and serise that go "hard work is everything".

The problem is that the latter type always ends up being "talent is everything" in secret, because it turns out that the MC had some super secret lineage that makes him inherently better, or he'll "hard work" his way to being the best in the universe within like three years when other people have been training hard their entire lives, or whatever.

Also there's the fact that working hard requires a talent to begin with. That's something basically every series misses. You have to be predisposed to working hard. You can't just will yourself into being motivated, it doesn't work like that. The thing you're using to motivate yourself is your motivationless brain. It's like telling a depressed guy to stop being depressed - how's he gonna do that, his brain is broken. Being lazy is no different to being colourblind, or gay, or blonde. It's something completely beyond your control. Obviously you can't go around telling people that or they'll use it as an excuse to be lazy all the time, but it's how things work.

You have a point, but you can argue that their productivity is actually affected by their terrible working hours. Most of them never truly have the necessary time to be creative when performing their professional tasks, so their talent is mostly subdued by a slaving culture.

Talent for math exists, but anyone without dyscalculia can finish HS math and most people have the potential to get a BSc in math.
It's only at PhD level and above that normal people would not comprehend what they see no matter how many times they read it.

Because we know where we started and the hard work involved in going from shit to nice. Also, we are also aware of how much better some other people we know are than ourselves, so we feel inadequate when people compliment us, because we know that we are undeserving of that praise.

Because Japs are retarded. Some anons brought up master level stuff but the context is never on that level. Even in OPs pick they talk about entrance exams, drawing, writing and investing. They talk about things that dont require talent and act like they do.

Yeah, talent exists and its called IQ and genetics. However everyone can pass a bar or a fucking entrance exam if they work hard enough. Everyone can learn to draw outside people with disabilities.

Muh talent is a cop out, the context is never actual talent requiring stuff

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>I believe western society hasnt reached this point because people still belive "if I tried harder I could do that"
Rather it's "why put the effort, the hr will choose a non christian, non european woman in the end."
Different kind of despair.

>put in more effort than anyone else
Ever wondered why, Mr. I repeat olld tales without thinking?
Because it' s a piss easy enjoyable game for them.
For you it's a job, for the CEO who sleep 4h a day with no vacation in 20 years, it's a game of world domination where you utterly ruin people.

Because it's true for europeans, and europeans only, which they fail to understand and aggravate everyone as a result.

>If youre non european you cant pass HS math

The problem is that he never managed to improve over span of years. I dont know why but he never did.

It might not be talent but lack of good exercise, he might have not even read Loomis

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His character art might be a little bit wonky but it's not terrible, and you can easily chalk it up to style. Every other aspect of his art is fine. Mangaka with worse art get published all the time.

Only if you reserve it for yourself. It's usually pretty spot-on when people use it to describe someone else.

The problem is if you suck at your talent too. Just because you have a better affinity for it at the moment doesn't mean that you have the ability to keep at it or won't suddenly be matched with people equal in skill. It will always be a "someone is better than you" situation, so even when throwing talent out the window you're still left at square one.

*talent
I meant hard work

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