Gives his daughter over to someone who raped her with worms 24/7 for over 10 years

Remind me why they made rapeworms some kind of shortcut to becoming a magician?
Seems like they only exist to be extremely fucking edgy. Like, was Shirou's "performing surgery on himself to implant magical circuits" not graphic enough?

Fate wizards are assholes. You leave your morality at the door.

The nature of Matou magic was transferring mana, and mana sucking parasites were convenient for that

>Seems like they only exist to be extremely fucking edgy.
Sounds about right
Zouken could've raised her normally and she would've still become a magic powerhouse, instead of using destroyed grail fragments to make worms that feed off her mana for harvesting reasons
Yeah, Fate mage houses are pretty fucking stupid

Zouken was never really interested in having true heirs in the first place though, and if Tokiomi actually knew the guy he gave his spare daughter to he probably wouldn't have for that reason. He probably would be okay with the worms though because magus are dicks

>Saber was a great, merciful king.
Is this why she wanted use the grail as reset button for all she has done?

I used to think that kotomine was a dick for killing Tohsaka
Now I realize it was just business as usual

Ironically, if Kirei had taken a more active part in raising Rin she might have ended up being even better overall than if Tokiomi was alive. That being said, it's a shame Caren or Claudia werent really shown (for Caren before Ataraxia)

They are supposedly a family that had a good relationship with the church, but they're still mages. I can't remember if it was the prologue or one of the routes, but Rin herself says (or internally monologues) that abuse is very common in magic houses. And why wouldn't it be? It's pretty easy to justify dickworms when that's the only way you know to get further in your quest to find the root of all magic or whatever the fuck and that's the only thing you really care about

Male Saber is better. He's such a great dad that his Mordred wants to kill everyone he loves and rape him!

God I fucking hate fate

I wish we had ufotable animating Caren's butt instead of rins

He's a mage who wanted to reach the root as all good mages aspire. He legit thought he was giving his daughter the chance of a lifetime but having her be an heir to another established family.

Yes. Her wish was for someone who would be a better king than her to be selected by the sword. She was ready to erase herself from existence so her kingdom could prosper beyond what she'd accomplished.

Someone sounds jelly.

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To be fair, we never really see Kirei use magic that much. Either in Zero or any route of SN. His skill in healing aside that is, which is only really prominent in HF anyway

>Kirei had taken a more active part in raising Rin
Why would Tokiomi let that happen?

or it’s good writing

That reminds me, did Kuzuki even have command seals? I dont recall him obtaining them from Medea or any other way so he probably didnt right??

I meant after Tokiomi had died. Then again it's not like Kirei felt like he was missing a daughter and wanted a new one. Hence the conjecture..

He didn't. He was only Medea's anchor in the material workd the same way the Ryudou's gate was Kojirou's anchor.

So she was in fact a shitty King, so she tried to find one who was more competent.

lol.

Nah, that's a wizard.
Tokiomi is just a joke.

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Camelot was destined to fall though. I do disagree with one thing about how Zero presented Lancelot and Artoria. The whole 'Sorry I cucked you' is literally retarded. I could never take it seriously, nor do I think that even most Saber fans believe it is a reasonable way of showing that Saber was too detached from her men

>yo Zouken no disrepect but before I give up my baby girl, amma need u to tell me wat u got cooking for her
>ay bro I just finna make her heir and teach her our magic n shiet..u gucci with that??
>say no more senpai

Go back.

A non-shitty son would have helped.

Emiya was a good father.

Morgan literally fucked everything. Along with Lancelot's NTR Protagonist EX Rank skill

Sakura should have been sent to the Edelfelts

>It fell because destiny
Great fucking writing. Especially since it disregards the actual legends about King Arthur and its themes.

He didn't tell Shirou shit about grail war or Ilya and Shirou had to deal with all Kerry's failures going in blind because of that.

Edelfelts already had successor, unlike Matous with circuitless Shinji.

I am not saying Nasu's writing was great or anything. I have actually read part of the Arturian tales and I think it is understandable that it was used as a frame of reference not a slightly dramatized version a la Japanese. I dont think Nasu and the other guys as well as the fans seriously believe that FSN is a liberal continuation of the legend

To add to that, he was never too forthcoming about his past, allowing Shirou to become Archer

Why can't they duplicate crest? Like write the shit down on paper and then have the other child create second(altough inferior) crest. It's just information.

Isn't it possible to just fuckin create circuits. Like they raise a fuckin homonculus out of nothing and they have circuits. Also wasn't kirei born without circuits?

It was hilarious having him voiced by Hayami sho.

When did this happen?

Einzbern homunculus have short life span and are custom made to become lesser grail, you can hardly call that proper successor for magi family. And magi keep their secrets from others, only Einzbern can create such high quality homunculi.

But this shows that creating artificial circuits is possible. Thos is stupid. Nasu is stupid.

Isn’t the magical ability of her moms family that exact ability? To make a second crest out of nothing?
Not sure why they didn’t do that.

stinky

at the end of fate zero, silly

So? Matous don't know how to create homunculus or make Shinji suddenly grow circuits, so they had to take outsider.

I don't know man.
Emiya never thought that his son would be a master. I don't think he even thought that there would be another Grail War after he destroyed the last grail.

In his mind, he just wanted a normal son raised in a normal world.

Just because he failed doesn't mean he's wrong

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Nice toilet

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The Zenjous had such an ability? Was it in some obscure part of the VN?

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I WAN ZELRETCH TO KALEIDOSCOPE IN MY ASS

Zoukens retarded and his waifu never liked him anyway

Worst girl

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imagine the smell

I'm gonna run a chronomancer campaign soon, can't wait to see what non sense you anons end up in

The Einzberns are the one famous for their alchemy and homunculi. The Matou are just dogshit backwater sad excuses for magi.

I will have you know Makiri Zolgen was a handsome russian lad back in the day. Great magi too.

They're also known for losing 3rd sorcery.

Nasu even said he could fight servants at his peak

1) Edefelts had some weird dual crest bs that they could've tried to dip back into
2) Sakura does get sent to the Edelfelts in one timeline

He can, but fucking Shiki(s) can't. What bullshit

> Edefelts had some weird dual crest bs that they could've tried to dip back into
That was trait that those edelfelt sisters had from birth. Sakura is Tohsaka and doesn't have it.

> Sakura does get sent to the Edelfelts in one timeline
If you're talking about apocrypha, yeah she is sent to Edelfelts. But it was because Matou were wiped out in this timeline and Tokiomi's goal was to to give Sakura best possible future as magus.

>kirei
>evil
LMAO

Why would he tell his young son about the Grail War when he wouldn't expect another one for a few decades? Although, he could have left a written accord of events.