Don't mind me, just being the greatest villain in anime/manga

>Don't mind me, just being the greatest villain in anime/manga

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>bad guy is supposed to be super smart
>author shows this by making everyone else stupid and bad guy lucky

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>plan barely makes sense through half of the story
>drops it out of nowhere halfway through
>"guess i'll die"
Johan sucked.

Urasawa always loses the plot in his series.

>You were saying?

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Garbage villain that ruined an otherwise ok story with a shit ending

20th Century Boys had the same problem.
The story was great when the protagonists were trying to unravel the mystery and the antagonist was more of a threat in the shadows but once they finally face him, the plot goes to shit and eventually has a retarded ending.
At least Monster's plot didn't last for long after going to shit, unlike 20th Century Boys where the story went on for like three more arcs after going to shit.

I don't really remember Pluto ending either.
Beginning with gesicht was nice though.

Meh, Monster was just okay. They spent way too much time on the side characters that each had sob story. And Tenma is the biggest mary sue I've ever seen

Not even close.

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The dude literally had no personality.
>oh, i'm such a nice guy
Fuck off.

>Shokun!

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>not understanding Tenma
He's not exactly the best character in Monster (that'd be either Runge or Grimmer), but he's far from bland. Dumb nu-Yea Forums will praise to death anything edgy nowadays (like post timeskip Eren)

I really liked the series, but it did bother me how many times they had a chance to shoot Johan and just didn't. Johan was already killing kids left and right, and Lunge was still the only one who would have been willing to put him in the ground.

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You might've selected the wrong picture, user.

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I'd agree for the most part but to be fair some of those times it was more circumstance, like Tenma not getting a clean shot on Johan at the library. IIRC the only time he spared him in a situation where he had a proper shot and the time he wanted, it was at the forest and with children around. Not exactly a great choice, but still.

Didn't he just have a long dramatic stair-down with him at the library? Sorry, it's been ages since I've watched it.

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>Johanpedo

Your memory is right, he did. He still decided to shoot after a while (and did) but got distracted by Nina and didn't manage to touch him after that iirc.

He did. Then Nina came and was this back and forth, 'No, don't kill him! I'll do it!". Then Johan just walks out of there

And while they argue who should kill him, Johan just walks away. Epic

Why is it so highly regarded, I don't get it?

Because Monster thinks it's really smart so all the retards watching it think it's smart too

Nah, fire blows shit up and Tenma tries shooting him in the confusion but it fails. It's not just him walking away.

Urasawa is far from pretentious.

overrated

Pretentious, no. But people did gass the hell out of the story

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It's actually underrated now. Lots of people don't seem to "get it", not that it's particularly deep or convoluted but it's actually really good. They instead focus on minor issues like Tenma fucking up one or twice or the pacing (only a problem in the vastly inferior anime)

A small emotionless furball who makes a snake oil deal with children, best villain.

>sets up a more 'Perfect suicide'

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yea gesicht is a real based motherfucker. i reread the ending for pluto and it wasnt as bad as i remember it being probably because i appreciated the manga a lot more, but compared to most of the manga it does definitely fall flat.

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>perfect suicide is killing everyone who knows you
>not killing your entire race
You're like a little baby. Watch and learn kiddo

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>NOOOO I DIDNT ASK TO BE BORN
>Y-YO-OU GAVE ME ROYAL GENES AND THE ABILITY TO SAVE OUR PEOPLE? FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD IM GONNA CASTRATE MY RACE
>H-HEY MARLEY, YOU"RE GONNA GET IT!
>D-DONT MAKE ME STERILIZE MY RACE

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>*blocks your path*

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>I'm a retard and didn't understand Johan's character and motives so I'm gonna say he sucks alright

>hurr durr I'm going to be the new Hitler
>wait no, I guess I'll just kill myself
Yeah so deep an complex.

Johan never wanted to be the new Hitler you dumbfucks, that's what the neonazis wished him to be.
I was right.

I guess two Aryan stock, blue eyed, blondehaired, suicidal nihilists that were bred to be elite and indoctrinated in special programs really are the best villains.

i'm going to kill you OP

Cease

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He's shit even when you do understand him, user.
t. liked Monster but don't think it's good

Griffith is a better villain imo.

damn that was embarrassing

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Jóhann was an okay villain, but Tenma literally ruined the series.