>watching part 4
>the beginning is alright, nothing amazing
>pic related happens
>HOLY SHIT JOSUKE IS GOING BACK IN TIME AND SAVE HIMSELF
>never happens, turns out is just a random beaten up student that looks just like him
why the fuck do you guys like JoJo? there's so many plot holes is not even funny
user you just fucking said it was some random. How is that a plothole.
I don't think you know what a plot hole is.
It's unique.
And the fights are interesting.
>the story didn't follow my headcanon so that makes it a plothole
It's obvious that Araki planned some timetravel shit to happen with bites the dust but scrapped the idea mid-way
It's so obvious when the delinquent that saves Josuke doesn't have any of the accessories that Josuke wears on his uniform and wears his uniform differently.
The rest of your shit is bait but yeah I was wondering what the fuck is up with that scene.
As much as jojofags want to deny it, the scene was obviously screaming at you that it's Josuke, but Araki like always can't plan for shit and dropped it and said "W-Who? T-That was obviously a r-random dude!" and jojofags believe it.
>he want MORE time travel in JoJo
>was obviously screaming at you that it's Josuke
how?
I'm gonna believe Araki over some retarded user saying "DUDE IT'S JOSUKE TRUST ME"
see
He wears the same uniform and has the same hair but Josuke's uniform has a bunch of stuff on it that's unique and his uniform is more open than the guy in the flashback's. If this was 1993 I could still see this being a topic of discussion, but it's been 26 years with Araki actually saying (I'm pretty sure it was when DiU was still being made) that the guy in the flashback is just some random person. I think the anime did this poorly too because the anime has some weird effects that make it seem like something magical but in the manga Koichi (which is another thing, this story is being told by Koichi, so the actual real life person may have looked nothing like the guy in Koichi's telling of the story outside of the hair) just says "he suddenly appeared" without all the magic flashes that were in the anime.
Koichi straight up admitted he made up most of the story.
>It just so happens that Josuke ends up looking exactly like him with even the same complexion and everything!
>It just so happens that he was in the middle of nowhere and could save little Josuke like if he knew he was going to be there!
>It just so happens he was there, in fact, in the worst snow storm of years!
>It just so happens that he was bleeding too like coming from a battle!
>It just so happens they couldn't find any info about him like if he dissappeared!
>It just so happens that the final villain ends up having a similar ability which plays with time and going to the past!
Come on guys, I know jojofags are not the smartest of a/ with all the shit they defend, but this is obvious.
He only looked so much like Josuke because it was Koichi telling the story and the only detail he knew was the hair.
>it's OBVIOUS dude I know better than the author himself
FUUUUUUUUUUCK MORE THAN ONE JAP HAS THE SAME COMPLEXTION!?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>An unreliable narrator was telling the story
>Coincidence for the plot
>What does time travel have to do with controlling the weather?
>A delinquent got into a fight!
>Why would time travel Josuke disappear?
>1 hour = 10+ years
You talk like if Araki knows his shit and doesn't come up with asspulls and plotholes everywhere.
The most hilarious thing about the "josuke time travel bites the dust blah blah" headcanon is these faggots actually thinking Araki planned the ending.
>Unreliable when you want
>Coincedence guys
>Nothing, I'm just asking why the fuck there's a student in the middle of nowhere coincidentally there in the worst storm in years or decades, and bleeding too. And also why the fuck would he come close like that knowing that kid was already sick and everything.
>Into a fight with that weather? In the middle of nowhere?
>I don't know, ask Araki what his plan was.
>Same.
>Unreliable when you want
Koichi is narrating the story.
>Unreliable when you want
It's explicitly Koichi telling a story that Josuke told him that he was only half listening to when he was originally told it. Josuke probably didn't even describe the guy to Koichi outside of the hair.
>coincidence guys
In a constructed story things are going to happen that aren't necessarily entirely explained. We don't need to know why the guy was there because it isn't important. Josuke also wouldn't know why the guy was there. All he knows is that the guy saved him.
>delinquents want to fight each other
>they don't want to wait until the weather clears
Or maybe they fought inside somewhere and the guy was returning to his house through the blizzard. There's any number of explanations that don't involve time travel. In the manga it also says that he has bruises and is bleeding from a split lip. I think the anime makes it seem like he has more damage. Kira wouldn't get into a fist fight anyway so why would he leave Josuke with injuries consistent with a fist fight?
>I don't know, ask Araki what his plan was.
>Same.
But you're ignoring what Araki said so even if he said some more you wouldn't believe him. He explicitly said the guy is just some random person that saved Josuke because people in Morioh being good people is a theme of the part.
I read somewhere that araki planned to make bite the dust go back in time years instead of only one hour, but he realized it was too complicated
don't know if this is actually true
You probably read it on Yea Forums, posted by people who have no idea what they're talking about.
Certified dumbasses.
Both in the manga and anime it's a clear set-up for Bites the Dust. Araki is covering his own ass after forgetting about that plot thread like the million other things he forgets.
If it wasn't a BtD setup, there's no reason for the manga to put such a big emphasis on that little story in the chapter it appears in. I see nothing but delusional Arakiworshippers ITT
It makes 0 sense to NOT be Josuke, Araki forgot. Accept that and move on.
You're really trying too hard man.
Cringe And seething.
Koichi is narrating the story and he imagines the guy alike to Josuke. That's it.
Alright. What's the plot hole, OP? What makes the story impossible that a random delinquent saved Josuke?
>Clear setup for BtD
>BtD can only send you back an hour
>And not even in a time travel way really, just rewinding time. If Josuke was sent back to when he was a kid by BtD he would be the kid, he wouldn't be his age in 1999.
The story is there as an explanation for the hair as well as to add to the "Morioh is full of good people" thing.
>Koichi is just imagining it to be Josuke
Possible, I'll give you that. However it would make no sense for Koichi to imagine delinquent with blood on his face. And how did that delinquent happen to find their car in the middle of one of the worst blizzards ever? The solution that requires the least assumptions is to think that it was supposed to be Josuke, but Araki changed his mind after figuring out how exactly Bites the Dust would work
>we don't need to know because it wasn't important
That's not how stories work, especially those involving time travel later on
>maybe the delinquent was fighting someone
Once again, big assumption. Small assumption would be that Josuke got sent back in time during the Kira fight (but then Araki ended up changing how BtD works from his original plan)
>random guy because of the good person theme
Too coincidental to be truly random.
Remember that all part 3-6 villains have time related stands, it's not a stretch that Araki wanted to foreshadow the time travel aspect before he had the details figured out, compared to "it was just a random guy who was also wounded who saved Josuke when he was ill in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the worst blizzard Morioh had ever seen", because that's what I call author worship.
dude, what if
Made in Heaven did this instead?
what if
part 9 is a return to old fucked up original verse after the events of part 6
Jeez, I wonder why the kid, who's look Josuke copied, looks like Josuke.
Engage in copulation
>Once again, big assumption.
A delinquent getting into a fight is a big assumption? Even though he has injuries that make sense with being in a fist fight?
>However it would make no sense for Koichi to imagine delinquent with blood on his face
Maybe that was part of the description Josuke gave him. In the manga it says that Josuke's mom saw that he was covered in bruises and bleeding from the lip. Like I said before, the anime made him seem more injured.
>And how did that delinquent happen to find their car in the middle of one of the worst blizzards ever?
He ran across them by accident and decided to help them because he's a good person living in Morioh. Go ahead and explain now why the person in the flashback doesn't have the accessories that Josuke wears on his uniform. Did he just coincidentally lose them in the fight (I assume you're talking about with Kira)? How is you making shit up about how powers maybe functioned before a change (ignoring what Araki himself said in an interview) any smaller of an assumption than a random person saving Josuke that fits with a theme of the part?
>That's not how stories work, especially those involving time travel later on
Stories all the time work off of coincidences. Especially when setting up a story. (Almost) no author is going to write something thousands of pages long specifically to explain every single little movement of characters so the reader knows exactly what led up to characters being in certain places at certain times. Especially minor characters like the guy in the flashback. Time travel being in a story means nothing if what is being shown has nothing to do with time travel, like is the case here. Even in a story involving time travel, not every little bit of story has to do with the time travel.
But I refuse
...
Where do you think you are, normalfag?
Listening to Castle Super Beast?
>some guy helping Josuke out is a plothole
Use some other buzzwords like asspull while youre at it
The plot in JoJo is literally irrelevant.
Man Josuke's mom was hot as fuck. Why are the moms always the hottest grills in JoJo?
This so much. JoJofags are fucking delusional.
t. delusional fanfic spouting tard
>oh look there's a guy in the middle of nowhere during a storm in the middle of the night at the exact moment we need help and he just so happens to look exactly like Josuke, what a weird coincidence!
HURR DURR
Fucking streamfag. Did you think I wouldn't notice?
Anyone who thinks that was supposed to be Josuke is a certified brainlet
I bet you think the guy Giorno saved as a kid was Diavolo
>Josuke intentionally models himself after a dude who saved him as a kid
>Woah why does Josuke look like that dude?!
That's the literal opposite of coincidence you fucking asstard.
You mean Josuke looks like the kind stranger because he modeled himself after him.
Who the fuck invented such bullshit theory?
Oh man, it would have been pretty based if Josuke was able to trick kira into using bites the dust to send him back to save himself. Or something like this:
> Throughout part 4 Josuke has asthma from not getting to the hospital on time
> Finally we get to the climactic fight
> Josuke is about to deliver the finishing blow to Kira, but Okuyasu is dead
> "I'll spare you if you use Killer Queen's third bomb, bites the dust, to send us back to 199x"
> Bloodied Josuke saves young Josuke
> Warped back to present day a few hours before Okuyasu dies
> Newly unasthmatic Josuke is able to handily beat Kira and save baseball face
Theres threads on reddit saying that it would have been a good twist to have the gangster be diavolo
Even though it goes completely against his character
It was Solido Naso
>students walk in the middle of nowhere during a storm at night
Based retards.
>it's a "neo-Yea Forums pretends to be retarded" episode
Theres a million reasons he could have been out there, and since this is the wacky world of JoJo its more like 2 million
In a fictional work nothing is casual, retard.
this shit pissed me off too
also fugo just being dropped in part 5
And im pretty sure part 5 is never going to fucking explain how or why diavolo had his mom under the floorboards and why she couldnt move
Yeah it is 100% a set up he never followed through with
anyone saying otherwise is just a blind fan that will defend anything
Its not a set up for BTD, its used to explain why Josuke gets so angry when people insult his hair, because its the hairstyle of the guy that saved his life
It's just a random good samaritan to solidify the themes of the story and add some depth to Josuke. There's literally zero reason for Araki to lie about his intentions.
Uhhmmm Humans are trash and parasites who don't care for one another?
Good bait, reatard user.
>And im pretty sure part 5 is never going to fucking explain how or why diavolo had his mom under the floorboards and why she couldnt move
Diavolo’s backstory is supposed to be mysterious.
Yeah thats part of the set up
The whole angry about hair and then them explaining it
Why was that even a thing in the story if not a set up
*In a fictional work, nothing is causal
You couldn't be more of a normalfag if you made a post saying Joseph is your favourite Jojo and you miss Hamon.
>Why was that even a thing in the story if not a set up
I dunno man, why would an author ever include something that tells a bit of a characters history and explains a personality quirk
Not everything has to have some massive payoff down the line
You're not allowed to post here if you're underage.
I dont get why is everyone attacking OP.
If it had been that way it would have been pure kino.
Just imagine if kira really won and killed josuke with bites the dust but then josuke was sent back in time to that day in his youth.
That new stand ability only activates in near death situations. Just after saving himself he starts jumping back in time to situations where he almost died. thats the setup araki originally intended. I have no idea why he didnt do it.
I guess the majority of jojo fans dont really understand jojo.
Instead araki gave up on that idea and decided to make jotaro save the day.
Great so it isn't explained
Nice cop out explanation you gave yourself for shit writing
>part of a set up for a villian araki did not plan to have until mid way in the manga because his superiors told him to add a main villian
>inb4 he was shown in the beginning!
Only in the anime dumb animeonlys
Even then it works well as just a rando doing it. Idk why some of you guys just want to hate on jojo for the sake of it. Is it because its popular? Its just some fun take the stick out of your ass.
That just makes it shit writing. Thats a lot of time to spend on josukes hair
There's this thing called a flashback, it's usually used to give insight into a character
>They don't go into detail on this random beaten up delinquent kid who serves barely any purpose.
Fuck off.
>HURR DURR ARAKI FORGOT
The hair is an integral part of his fight with Rohan so it makes sense to explain why he cares so much about it
Nice headcannon, retard. Seeth harder.
>blithering retard who needs every detail spoonfed to him
Next you’ll call Kaiser Soze’s backstory shit writing.
>it makes no sense for the guy who saved Josuke to be a random dude
>what are yankii and bosozoku
Name ONE (1) manga/anime series without plot holes
it kept being brought up and explained and flash backs
all for "its nothing man just character"
its shit
>its nothing man just character
Character building isn't nothing
>I guess the majority of jojo fans dont really understand jojo
You sure don’t.
What a joyless sack of shit you must be that needs every little detail explained to him.
its not that it doesn't make sense
its that its boring and makes all the hair talk pointless
Him talking about how much he likes cereal and then a flash back were he buys cereal would "make sense" but it would be stupid
It was never Josuke. It was just some highschooler who looked like Josuke, and he was so impacted by this he copied his look.
One person's act of kindness towards complete strangers ended up shaping Josuke's life for the better and indirectly led to him saving the town from sickos like Angelo and Kira. That's the whole point.
what a brainlet you have to be to have nonsense thrown in your face, never have it explained and then think its good
what I said made perfect sense and you know it would be kino
But cereal isn't a huge element in one of his fights, his hair is
>That's the set up Araki originally intended
Proof or GTFO. I'm sick of this headcannon mind-reader bullshit.
And it’s just your headcanon rather than the author’s intention.
What a brainlet to be unable to understand simple storytelling.
explain it to me
The guy in the flashback isn't actually wearing Josuke's uniform though. That's a big hole with that theory.
>blind fan that will defend anything
Jojofags in a nutshell
because I share the same hivemind with araki
I can steal the personality of a person and think like them
for example even though fugo was dropped out of part 5, the notorious big and cioccolata were based on battles araki had in mind with fugo.
all that just so he can get angry in one fight is crap
i forget how does it help him save the town?
It doesn't make any fucking sense. Explain to me how Bites the Dust, which explicitly rewinds time one hour to protect Kira's identity, would like somehow send one of his enemies back 16 years so he can save himself as a kid.
Because Josuke was inspired by his good will, retard
you are gay
>Explain it to me
Read the thread, dipshit. A dozen people have already explained it.
I can't imagine being this confused by an adventure story for teenagers. You people are pathetic.
But that's a good thing.
i aint seeing it, can you point me to the post or explain it yourself
Because that story was fake. An urban legend.
That's mental gymnastics after the fact coping for shit story telling
Can someone edit that to say DID instead of Schizophrenia?
>mysterious character has mysterious backstory
how is that shit storytelling?
You have no argument to support your claim.
because you have labelled him as "mysterious character" any old nonsense is good for you?
That's cope
what claim?
we both think its unexplainable nonsense
Its just that you think thats okey because its "mysterious"
and i think its shit writing
>impatient dumbass didn't wait for the reveal in part 10
It may be unexplained, but it's not unexplainable. Use your brain. I'm honestly appalled such retarded people even watch Jojo.
Maybe you just need to get your head out of your ass.
Does anyone have that edit of part 5 with the color changes and "Koichi the beast of the east"
I can't find it
you right that if it explainable its not shit
but nothing else so far in the story seems to explain it
what theories do you have?
that might be interesting, but its not based on anything in the actual story
The story gives no hints to that there is a stand user that can give eternal life and wanted to mess with doppio
I think the story also implies doppio did it
I think there is nothing to imply that Doppio did it, unless you think Araki had dementia.
King Crimson and Epitaph have no ability to keep a person alive in conditions with no oxygen, water, food, not to mention seamlessly destroying and rebuilding the floor.
Isn’t it more likely that Diavolo had a secret hatch that let him go under the floor?
Diavolo didn't have a stand back then.
No, it wouldn't have been "kino". It's a retarded theory, Bites the Dust is a time bomb which has a loop of 1 hour, not a DeLorean.
The whole point of Diavolo’s backstory is to be completely confusing nonsense