Anyone Feel Hunter X Hunter Jumped the Shark When They Introduced Nen?

It pretty much is desu. Let's talk about how weird Killua waltz was, and how Ponzu can control bees without nen in the hunter exam

the problem is that the nen system allows literally anything to happen so asspulls are impossible.

Snake dude was foreshadowing the concept of men after death

Togashi is a genius unlike op

>hey killua how did you do that thing?
>im not sure, I just did

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I haven't read that far into the manga, but in the part of the series that the anime covers, it seems like Togashi has a really big problem with setting up cool powers and then having the characters who use them job to generic strong dudes and never show up again

The succession contest arc has some pretty interesting nen abilities.

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The whole concept of making abilities stronger by putting restrictions on them or yourself is retardedly broken. High level targets like CEOs, Royalty, or Presidents would be fucked. Imagine the type of nen power that's been restricted to a one time use on one individual at a certain time. It'd be like a tactical nuke. But it doesn't happen because the world building is terrible.

Like the internet running on nen but somehow no one outside the hunter organization knows what nen is. It's so painful to see how half assed everything is but people won't stop freaking out about it. I know it's to be expected of a gateway anime but still

It was hinted at multiple times in the hunter exam, you're just a brainlet speedreader and didn't realize

>literally just Gold Experience but better
TOGASHIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

any system based on willpower is trash

>starting next issue we will go on a hiatus
Like pottery.

Please recommend something better senpai!

Not having a power system, like fma

Unironically Boku no Hero Academia

Stands are better and cooler anyway, but Nen is still somehow a better power system than most shounen battle systems out there

Should I post chapter 391 once the time is rigth?

He only does enough work to fill 1 volume then he goes back to playing Dragon Quest.

>those fans that genuinely believe he's spending all his time writing the story and that's why there's a hiatus

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ttgl though

Nen is a good system up to the point of specialists that just throw the rules out of the window and treat nen like fucking magic with virtually no restrictions whatsoever

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The fuck are you guys on about? How was in introduced late? It was introduced in the third arc (second real arc since the Killua family arc barely counts), and ever since it was it became integral to the show. It is established that anyone without nen is leagues below nen users, and why nen is needed to be a hunter. The heavens areana, phantom troupe and greed island arcs all feature nen heavily as the core of their stories, and creativity when using nen is shown as being just as if not more important as power level. Did you fuckers even watch the dodgeball game episodes? Did you happen to skip Kurapika's use of the judgement chain? Fucking hatertards shitting up this board baka

how many specialists are in the hunterxhunter universe?

It is set up from the beginning of the show that nen is just one form of supernatural power in the hunter universe. Killua for example has the ability to morph his nails into what are essentially knives, Gon has superhuman strength, speed and reflexes, there are all kinds of monsters in the world with supernatural powers that are not nen based. Why should a world only have one type of supernatural system? I think that it's refreshing to not have one kind of power system be the be all and end all of the the whole setting

No. There are probably a dozen retards who feel that way. And they would be lined up and shot if there was any justice in this world.

It was clearly planned since the beginning, at the end of the first arc Satotz says that the true hunter exam has not ended yet, and we later find out that you need to learn about nen before becoming a true hunter. Almost every complaint about the series is retards like you missing shit

it was planned yes but it's still next to irrelevant

>public has no idea about nen because only the hunter organization teaches it after you get the license
>totally not able to discover it on your own
>heavens arena is somehow filled with non-hunter nen users at the top

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>i found it funny that it was introduced so late
How to spot an absolute retard.

>>totally not able to discover it on your own
Why are you making yourself look moronic? Most genius' in the world unconsciously, or not, use nen. It's literally stated as they explain it.
General public not being aware is a completely different thing.

please tell me you're trolling

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desu when nen was first introduced, I thought it was just one of many forms of power and that we'd be introduced to other ones later on, especially since they referred to nen as a "school." Kind of disappointed that there isn't another form of power that is equivalent to nen.

>filled
Nice headcanon. Apart from Wing's apprentices, we see only 6 nen users, Hisoka and Chrollo being 2 of them, the other 4 who didn't know about nen but ended up learning it only after going through nen baptism, that is forcefully getting their nen awakened by getting hit and surviving a nen attack. I'll say it again, most of the complaints are from retarded speedreaders who miss half the shit in the show

Because the abilities have always had more of a narrative purpose to set up the events that would happen that for being used for fights.
For example in Yorknew, owl mantle's ability, shizuku's vacuum, kortopi copies, pakunoda's ability to read memories, Neon predictions, Hisoka's bungee gum, Chrollo's stealing, Melody music and hearing etc are all fundamental for the arc.
That's where the brilliance of HxH comes from, somehow Togashi is capable of coming with all this abilities and use them for the story. Togashi doesn't think "I need a strong ability for this character so he can fight" he thinks "I want the story to be like this and I need characters that can do this things"

What the hell had Hisoka turning that exam attendants arms into confetti to do with nen?

Oversoul was the best version of Stands.

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Pakunoda is now among the strongest characters because some goofball on the forums don't like the word special in a power system

Kurapika, Pic related,
anybody here
hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Specialists

Nothing, it was the power of censorship.

he's assuming he used nen, so despite the readers not knowing about nen it still means nen was introduced back then

already a death boring thread im glad i was banned for 3 days. absolutely didnt miss anything in this shithole

2011 was a mistake

>but chimera ant arc contradicts this hard
Really? Ultimate Nen user was slain by the relatively mundane tech and didn't manage to win even once against not-very-bright blind girl.

Greed Island > Yorkshin > Hunter exams > Heaven's arena > Dark continent/succession war > Chimera ant > Chairman election

>Killua
Obviously not human.

3 hxh threads at the same time are death et boring. what a sad fucking performance and hackash still didnt release a single fucking chapter this year

what a sad mangaka

Stop being a mongoloid.

your birth was a mistake

acccording to you what is a speedreader? tell us.

please tell us your a brainless retard

To be fair, the hunter arena champions clearly know how to use their nen, although we never find out how many of them are actually hunters. And how exactly are the things the public see in the arena explained to them if they don't know what nen is? They must be aware of some level of supernatural ability

>the hunter arena champions
heavens area you speedreading cancerouse ape. and no none of those fighters are hunters you fanservice loving faggot.

Pitou is the best girl and is my wife

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But why do they have hunter powers if they are not hunters? That makes no sense. And wouldn't the audience end up getting hunter powers by being near the fighting? Also hisoka never became a hunter but he has gum powers which is different to nen so I guess that is ok

>be Killua
>from elite assassin clan
>already participated in many assassinations
>assassination targets often have bodyguards
>literally none of these bodyguards had nen
>Killua never has to worry about it until the show introduces it

How does this work? Were they going after cheapskates that couldn't afford guards with nen?

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And yet HxH is still the best over every other mediocre shounen.

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>introduced so late
It was introduced in like Volume 5 or 6.
JoJo didn't introduce Stands until 7 Volumes down the road (according to the new releases, not the original volume releases, and it was almost 180 chapters in).
Also, Naruto's leaf test came years after HxH established Nen.

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That's just the 2011 anime being garbage, as usual.
In 99 and the manga, he tears off the guy's arms.

>In 99
>he tears off the guy's arms.
why the fuck are you lying you fat speedwatching piece of shit? in 99 he got half stuck to a fucking wall

Jojo had another established power system for the first two parts though. And Jojo isn't a continuous story like HXH is, it's split into discrete parts with their own stories. And stands were retroactively explained as being cause by arrows, which weren't dug up until the 80s, a little before the part where stands are introduced.

>hunter powers
No such thing exists. Knowing how to use nen is just a necessity, to formally become a Hunter.
>he has gum powers which is different to nen
It's not different to nen, it is nen.

HxH will be discussed years after BNHA is finished

>Hisoka's card
>Hisoka literally showing off his ren
>Killua using enhancer skill for his hand thing
>Illumi using manipulation to change his body and to control that guy in the final phase and also to manipulate Killua
Nen was there from the beginning.

Shit, you're right.
Sorry about that, just assumed that since 99 changed little and normally added they kept that the same.
Still pretty fucked up
>Jojo had another established power system for the first two parts though.
Yes, and it introduced a power system that took over.
>And Jojo isn't a continuous story like HXH is, it's split into discrete parts with their own stories
Except the Part where Stands are introduced relies on you being knowledgeable of the first two parts and their events (not really Part 2 all that much) and is a direct follow up to Part 1, having the first (and only) recurring villain in the series.

HxH is a shonen in name only, it has transcended the genre a long time ago.

Kurapika Kurta

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Kurapika Paladinknight

>Hisoka was using nen
>Shanks was using Haki
Why do fans do this?

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based

>out of left field
not at all, the first two arcs were constantly alluding to it
>unnecessary
maybe. nen is just a language to describe what's going on explicitly, but they were able to do it well with implicit language as well. it would have been much more difficult to make it (and understand it) without nen as a guiding structure. but i enjoyed it more when things were vague and unstated

Hisoka _______________ Chimera Ant Arc ____________ Meruem _______

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If shanks was using Haki he wouldn't have lost his arm, retard

KEK
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>nen beast created from death and love
This thing has got to be strong as hell right?

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Nen is cool, it's the "you can become ridiculous strong just by lifting heavy shit for a few weeks" part they did right before introducing Nen that was pointless and unnecessary.

>HxH will be in hiatus years after BNHA is finished

The only discussion will be
>when will the hiatus end?

That's only because they're hunter-quality.
Most people's natty limits will cap out well before that.

Not really. It was made to keep her company

Hisoka will die of old age.

1. That's a villain doing it
2. That's the unofficial Niggastream translation. Try the official Viz one.

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Isn't it supposed to protect her?

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>Hisoka's card
As much of a nen as oddjob's killing hat. He was superhuman
>Killua using enhancer skill for his hand thing
Assassination technique. He was superhuman
>Illumi using manipulation to change his body and to control that guy in the final phase and also to manipulate Killua
He was using needles, his own tools made for killing. And he was superhuman
>Nen was there from the beginning
No, you had ninjas, martial artists, assassins bitch who could talk to bees, snake charmers supergeniuses, mythical-like fantastic fauna and flora, japanese scary auras etc. generic, cartoony exaggeration is not a power system, and certainly not nen.

I preferred
>Listen up my nen

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Uh no hunter powers goes through the badge thing you get, nen is natural and you can only use it if you have nen blood, like the ant people. Gum is also clearly not the same as nen, they look completely different and also nen doesn't have the properties of both rubber and gum

youtu.be/waW3LjX-y4E

His card were not made of metal, since he was able to fold them. They were normal cards. How do you explain they became as hard as metal when he needed? Because he used Nen, just like Wing did when he showed Zushi and cut off a page from his book.
>He was using needles, his own tools made for killing. And he was superhuman
Just saying "superhuman" doesn't mean anything. And how do needles work? Are they magic needles? Then people can just buy them and use them in the series, which never happens. That means they are just normal needles infused with his nen. Superhuman doesn't mean anything. Nen users are all superhuman, therefore nen existed since the HE.
Ninjas, martial artists, assassins, snake charmers are all presents in our world too. Thast is irrelevant to the argument. Magical beasts are not part of the argument either because we are discussing about evidence of nen since the HE.

Also, my strongest point would be when Hisoka showed off his aura. This isn't normal bloodloost. Look how all the animals are escaping and how the air is getting heavy. It's the same effect shown when Wing used it.

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Light Nostrade will return, powerfull as ever.

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does the red square represent a month or a week?

week

>villian

>"It wasn't a power system because it wasn't explicitly spelled out for me"
Illumi not only could use needles to completely restyle his face and pull his hair into his head, but demonstrated that he could also use them on the ref by just throwing them. Illumi was using straight up magic, and spending a few volumes not knowing exactly what doesn't mean it wasn't there.

He was the villain of Heavens Arena and Exam arc. He is not the protagonist either.

Hisoka Sr
Hisoka Jr
Hisoka III

He literally helped both Gon and Leorio pass the Exam. How is that a villain?

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Kids with Machi I take it

Yea I always found weird the general public doesn't know about nen. This isn't like dragonball where there are only a handful of special snowflakes in the world; there's an entire international organization of nen users that work closely with various major countries, corporations, criminal organizations, ect.

Wasn't Gon able to lift that 10 ton door at the gate of Killia's place before even learning nen or about it. Also that shit with Killia's fingers turning into knives. I know nen can allow shape shifting and shit but he was able to do it before learning nen. Was he subconsciously using nen or was it a natural biological action that his body can perform? Was that ever explored?

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More like Hisoka's father & grandfather.

I like how in the current arc Togashi just completely abandoned pretending that he wasn't pumping out a volume's worth of chapters when he wants more money

lazy hackashi better release 20 or 30’chapters this fucking year or i swear on gawd i will go to nippon and kill the lazy hiatusmaster

shouldve just ended with Gon starting a normal life and Ging venturing into the dark continent aka fucking off to buy cigarettes, would have been a completely fine ending instead of this torture

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>Was he subconsciously using nen or was it a natural biological action that his body can perform? Was that ever explored?
Same thing Neon and Komugi did. Same thing Gon did when he used Zetsu when he was following Hisoka and then Wing said he must have learned it on his won. Killua was taught assassination skills by his parents.

Who's the leader of the NGL?

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I think he is actually drawing it normally, but on extremely relaxed schedule, like 4 hours a day 4 day a week and the chapters are simply released when he has tankobon worth of them.

well n*gga according to tvtropes......

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the things we tell ourself to keep sane, i used to believe that...not anymore

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what is a fucking tankobon ?

Compilation on the chapters

like a fucking volume correcto?

Kill yourself, newfag cancer.

>Yea I always found weird the general public doesn't know about nen
Because of in universe people like HxH world has a lot of weird stuff, and straight up magical creatures. Stuff like heaven's arena looks like disjointed mysticism where you'd have to train for way too much time to get a stray, usually useless talent like attack tops and wouldn't have any capacity to do anything else. The people who have it, for good or ill, don't want to have countless other people learn it and make their lives miserable. And most random people either aren't going to see results through the normal method and feel like they're getting swindled, or get baptized which, unless it's through something like stealth dolphin that paid some upkeep to make itself safe, poses substantial risk even without the nen user even hurting the initiate. It wouldn't be surprising if a lot of the world has actually heard about nen or something like it, it just seems like an urban legend.

>he doesn't know what a tank is

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Ye

You have to be 18 to post on here.

As many as the hack needs to move th plot forward.

Eh, the point behind Killua is that he's ridiculous before nen, and didn't have to use it as a crutch for amazing feats, so with nen he's a monster. That one of the probably 2 reasons the rest of the family kept it from him for so long. That little arc was easily the least enjoyable, but the strength training did serve a purpose in getting the others kind of reasonably in the same ballpark.

>Togashi doesnt write characters, write plot devices
this

*AHEM*

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Why didn't we listen?

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q-quality > quantity

Proof that 2011fags are a stain on the community

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That was kino

I hate that word
It's the new "epic" and I hope it gets outdated by the end of summer.

kino is at lease 5 year old.

Extremely popularized in the last year.

why is the shot composition and use of color so much better in '99?

Yea Forums are pretty good at that

Pitou is the only cat-girl done right

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>cat ant

>"It wasn't a power system because it wasn't explicitly spelled out for me"
Stop projecting, that's not what I Implied."It wasn't a power system because no one hinted that it exists". Why the examiner, the one person who should explicitly use nen went easy on Hisoka, who was his mortal enemy, and just threw some boomerang knives at him? Hell, Ilumi should have just kill or knock down 95% of the hunter wannabies during the first phase. He is overpowered, confident and pragmatic. He would pass immediately, no one would disqualify him because that's what Killua did one year later.
>Illumi was using straight up magic
"Nen magic" makes as much sense as "Assassin magic". It changes nothing
> How do you explain they became as hard as metal when he needed?
He throw them very hard and very fast, so the cards become dangerous and lethal, there.
>Just saying "superhuman" doesn't mean anything
Just saying "nen magic" doesn't mean anything
>Nen users are all superhuman
I wouldn't call Komugi superhuman, nor the people guarded by nen beasts
>Ninjas, martial artists, assassins, snake charmers are all presents in our world too
But none of them works in reality in a way they work in this particular work of fiction (or fiction in general). They are hyperbolized to be cool not "logical" or "realistic". For example: no one asks how Ponzu taught the bees and tamed them.
>Hisoka showed off his aura
So what? "Psychopathic antagonist scares his surroundings", this is nothing new or revolutionary, and it was not back then in the 90s. Togashi could build the system or concept of nen on the top of Aura's. But the nen itself does not appear in the early chapters, it is not mentioned, it is not shown, no one speculates about it and no candidate shows any interest in its potential existence.

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Yeah but after nen gets shown and mentioned in the Heavens Arena, if you compare it to what happened during the Hunter Exam, it makes perfect sense and it fits. So it comes natural to think that Togashi had the idea of nen from the beginning but he didn't want to reveal it yet.
The fact that everything that happened in the Exam makes perfect sense with the laws of Nen, should be proof enough.

Biohazard Requiem will break the series

>Three arcs and nen is next to irrelevant after they use it to get to a hire floor of the arena
Cheap bait as always. >Togashi doesn't think "I need a strong ability for this character so he can fight" he thinks "I want the story to be like this and I need characters that can do this things"
Sums up how Nen is used. Look at the current arc, the pot urn ritual is the setpiece the entire arc is built around. It facilitates the princes gaining powers, it creates the drama that Kurapika and the other Hunters must now deal with. And this is the arc where an ability like being able to control small creatures, something that would have been useless in places like the CA arc, suddenly becomes an amazing recon tool.

I want to have my first kiss with Pitou!

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First two yes, rest is bullshit, no such thing as enhancement if you don't have your pores opened yet, what Killua does has nothing to do with nen, and by that reasoning any ripped guy punching hard is using nen, that's not how it works. Also Illumi uses nen only against Killua, and it's simply Ren, no manipulation ever occurs, the needles used in the way he did during the exam don't require nen to do what they did, it's some kind of super acupuncture technique

Wrong, Killua's pores were closed or else Wing would have noticed, people using nen without knowing just don't realize it but they have their pores opened, and Gon didn't need them open to use Zetsu

>why didn't illumi, who was trying to conduct himself secretly and also figure out what he was going to do with Killua, just act out of character to demonstrate how powerful he was for me?
>Why wasn't I explicitly shown that Togari was imbuing his blades with nen already, even though Hisoka has in universe already noted that most of the hunters are well beneath his skill level and don't necessarily have good hatsu
This isn't projecting, and it doesn't have to be what you're implying. It's the legitimate truth; you will not accept the foundations of the power system already having been there, simply because it wasn't declared for you at that exact moment. If you looked at a few needles going into someone's skull and contorting their face and said "wow, assassination magic!" that's on you.

> no such thing as enhancement if you don't have your pores opened yet
source?
> Killua does has nothing to do with nen, and by that reasoning any ripped guy punching hard is using nen, that's not how it works
He could literally blow off two people's head off with his arm, penetrate hard skin, muscles and bones to take off someone's heart. That's nen and its enhancement. The same thing Feitan did.
>it's some kind of super acupuncture technique
Bullshit, he used the same skill when he pretended to be Hisoka during Yorknew. That's clearly nen and its part of his power.

> people using nen without knowing just don't realize it but they have their pores opened
Komugi and Neon never had their pores opened. Neither did the guys who make special stuff like Ben's knife or other artists and geniuses.

>it makes perfect sense and it fits
But I'm arguing that it fucking does not
Right here:
>Why the examiner, the one person who should explicitly use nen went easy on Hisoka, who was his mortal enemy, and just threw some boomerang knives at him?
>Hell, Ilumi should have just kill or knock down 95% of the hunter wannabes during the first phase. He is overpowered, confident and pragmatic. He should pass immediately, no one would disqualify him because that's what Killua did one year later.
>He throws them very hard and very fast, so the cards become dangerous and lethal, there
>For example: no one asks how Ponzu taught the bees and tamed them.
>Togashi could have built the system or concept of nen on the top of Aura's. But the nen itself does not appear in the early chapters

Read it, again.
That's a cute cat

>That's nen and its enhancement
I don't agree with this, this world is filled with super humans, even someone like Leorio could move tons with his body before we factor in nen. Killua being able to alter his nails as well as his ability to move super quickly are stated to be "normal" techniques in the business.

>No such thing as enhancement if you don't have your pores opened
Genius level use of nen allows for it, as an opening of only some nodes, and the nodes in your eyes explicitly have to be open for you to observe nen. It's feasible.
>Killua's hand has nothing to do with nen
This is true
>the needles used in the way he did during the exam don't require nen to do what they did, it's some kind of super acupuncture technique
This is explicitly false, this is explicitly part of his hatsu and pretending otherwise is a joke. Believing this is just acupuncture is a tremendous leap in logic.
>it's simply Ren, no manipulation ever occurs
Illumi placed a needle inside Killua's head to fuck with him in that moment and curtail his behavior later. It's at least partially responsible for him killing Leorio's opponent.

>Why the examiner, the one person who should explicitly use nen went easy on Hisoka, who was his mortal enemy, and just threw some boomerang knives at him?
Weak nen user. Hisoka didn't have to use Nen to defeat him.
>>Hell, Ilumi should have just kill or knock down 95% of the hunter wannabes during the first phase. He is overpowered, confident and pragmatic. He should pass immediately, no one would disqualify him because that's what Killua did one year later.
He didn't want to be found out by Killua, try to read the manga slowly.
>>He throws them very hard and very fast, so the cards become dangerous and lethal, there
That's not how physics work. A simple card made of paper cannot penetrate bones and muscles.
>>For example: no one asks how Ponzu taught the bees and tamed them.
People can do that irl. Watch some videos on youtube
>>Togashi could have built the system or concept of nen on the top of Aura's.
What?

Your whole point is "IT DIDNT APPEAR IN THE FIRST CHAPTER SO IT NEVER EXISTED", when a lot of shounen take some time to introduce the power system, see Jojo.

>cherrypicking

>Out of left field
Hisoka using Shu to strengthen his cards. Illumi using manipulation nen to control Killua. (Netero was aware that Illumi manipulated Killua, but he did nothing as the rules were airtight.) Gon unconsciously learning Zetsu to avoid Hisoka.

>Unnecessary
Frankly, this series would be nothing without Nen. The story could only go so far with natural human physical, intellectual, and strategic abilities. Nen diversifies everyone's movesets so that fights aren't settled the same way each time, and adds a much thicker layer of strategy that limits brute force storm tactics.

ttgl is not heralded by autists as some genius masterpiece of writing though

Nen 'existed' before arc 3. Even if Togashi came up with the system and used it to retroactively explain the past events. It can just simply be explained as "We don't see nen because the characters didn't know about nen yet. We learned as they did"

you're confusing villain for antagonist. villains are villains because of their evil action and since hisoka killed many people during the exams and still terrorized gon and the others anyways, he would be villain despite not obstructing their goals like an antagonist would.

Killua is a villain too then?

Kurapika is a girl because girls in tuxedos make my PP hard

no because he did very few evil things and his character arc was about him moving away from the assassin life to be a normal person. he's a anti-hero.

What do you mean source, are you trolling? You can't use Hatsu without having the pores opened, are you fucking dumb? Did you even read Wing's explanation? Gon pushes a 300 kg muscle monster and makes him fly, without knowing shit about nen, so what Killua does does bro require nen. Hundreds of normal humans in the exam capture boars that are big as elephants without problem, super strength is not rare in HxH, nen has nothing to do with it. Start from the beginning and read the manga slower, you're an embarrassment for the fanbase.

Killua has canonically killed way more people than Hisoka.

Nobody was talking about Hatsu. I just said Killua used some basic form of enhancer to strengthen his hand, which is possible and you don't need to open your pores for that.

They did you dumb ape, they had an abnormal amount or aura around them, thus opened pores, you can open them without realizing, that's the whole point of nen geniuses. I can't fucking believe I'm talking with such an idiot, I'm done, you're too dumb, nothing I can do about it

>telling someone to read manga
>exposes himself as an animeonly when he brings up the boars filler present only in the 2011 version

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>so late
>Gon starts on his island, immediately travels to hunter exams and start the journey
>does the exams
>introduce nen
Wow it took the 2nd arc to introduce it

>"You can't use Hatsu without having the pores opened"
>What is Neon Nostrade
We were explicitly given examples of people who don't have all of their nodes open or can only temporarily open some of them, as "genius nen users" who are completely unaware of nen but still use it. Not that this makes the other example actually enhancement. They don't have proper access to nen and can't see it (eye nodes never open), but still manage to unconsciously utilize it.

So all those people in Greed Island were nen geniuses? Even the ones who couldn't get a Leave card or the ones scared to play dodgeball?

Nen is a retcon. It's obvious that Togashi didn't plan for Nen since the first arc. Instead, he just later made an explanation for all the superhuman, borderline supernatural feats during the first two arcs. It wasn't planned but it's not an asspull either since it's consistent.

Explain Gon using Zetsu in the Hunter Exam.

>smooth brain intensifies

Not an argument. You also didn't address my second point about Ben's knife or all the other geniuses and artists. Did they have their pores opened too? What about the people in Greed Island?

eat fucking shit you son of a crackwhore

and how many of those were innocent? we don't know and it bares little significance in the first arc when killua only killed two innocent people whereas hisoka killed multiple.

you need to have a brain to post here friendo

What argument? You asked an incredibly stupid question, there doesn't need to be an argument. And I'm not that user.

But the geniuses did not have all of their pores open, as shown by Neon not being able to see nen. That's what makes them geniuses. The people on Greed Island were just weak, and not geniuses. This should be obvious.

Killua himself said a lot of people he killed didn't deserve it and where not prepared to face death. Hisoka has only killed people who were already strong or prepared to die.
>killua only killed two innocent people whereas hisoka killed multiple.
That's false since we know that he killed a lot of people before the Hunter Exam.

whats the problem with being a newfag ? didnt we all start as a newfag while we where new on Yea Forums/4channel Yea Forums eh kiddo?

You need to use nen to access greed island. How did they access it if they didn't have their pores open? How did Zepile leave some nen traces in his fake art if he didn't have his pores open. We all know Zepila is not a nen genius and he's weak.
The fact is that yo don't need to open your pores to use some basic form of nen.

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A forest boy using his wild instincts to tail someone. That's the impression that any first time reader or viewer would have.

Reread what I typed. You legit aren't understanding basic concepts. And "nen genius" literally means someone who is using nen without being aware of it," Zepile qualifies. It has nothing to do with being an effective fighter

Here we go again.

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Goddamn it Toga!

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I think you didn't follow the conversation and just typed random shit. My initial point was that Killua used basic enhancer skills to enhance his hand during the Exam. Someone said thats not possible because in order to use nen, you need your pores to be open. To which I said thats not true and brought up all those examples that you've read. Now you are agreeing with me when you say: "But the geniuses did not have all of their pores open", which was my initial point.

>Hisoka has only killed people who were already strong or prepared to die.

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Until you learn about Zetsu and then it all makes sense and it connects to what he did in the Hunter Exam.

Kino belongs to Yea Forums

>people who partecipate in a deadly exam that is designed to select the strongest among thousands of people in order to be part of an elite group are not strong or prepared to die

A family is not a clan you're not watching Narushit

that still doesn't defeat his point about jojo being split into different parts.

>Except the Part where Stands are introduced relies on you being knowledgeable of the first two parts and their events
that isn't a valid argument, anyone who is watching or reading part 3 should have already been through parts 1 and 2, there's no logic or justifiable reason for skipping them

>character to demonstrate how powerful he was for me?
He could have kill them silently, like a trained...assassin™
>Togari was imbuing his blades with nen already
Nice headcanon
>Weak nen user
Examiners were supposed to be "beasts"
>That's not how physics work
Yeah, no shit, what are you gonna tell me next. That you can't detect poison with your super sense or open extra heavy 4 ton doors by trying really, really hard and beliving in your friends.
>People can do that irl. Watch some videos on youtube
No, no they can't. Yeah beekeepers exist but their relationships with bees are very diffrent than the one beetwen Ponzu and her pets. Besides it was just one example. It applies to other candidates too.
>If you looked at a few needles going into someone's skull and contorting their face and said "wow, assassination magic!" that's on you.
It's a fucking fiction you autists. You are saying that you care about "realism" yet only when it's convenient. But when nen is used or you think it was used you throw all that logic and realism out of the window. And, no, adding nen magic doesn't change anything in context of that scene, you still don't know "how" it works just what tool was used.

CRINGE

>that isn't a valid argument, anyone who is watching or reading part 3 should have already been through parts 1 and 2, there's no logic or justifiable reason for skipping them
You'd be surprised by the nature of partskippers

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Chrollo is stronger than Jobsoka retard, he was holding back for shits and giggles.

No, you're saying nen geniuses don't open their nodes at all. I'm saying they either temporarily open some of them while they're concentrating, or have some of them open all the time. And I have absolutely no clue why Greed Island was brought up besides some people getting in over their head.

>No, you're saying nen geniuses don't open their nodes at all.
Point to one of my posts where I said that.
>I'm saying they either temporarily open some of them while they're concentrating, or have some of them open all the time.
I agree with this.

This is my nen power its specialist

I have the power to make people shit pour out of the mouths of humans but only after I say RABU DABU RABU DABU RABU DABU RABU RABU DABU DABU 400 times while dancing in a retarded fashion then i must wait 40 years to use the power again.

why would his family send him on missions where he has to defeat/kill nen users when he doesn't know about nen yet?
Like I get what you mean, he probably should have already known about it, if his family already did, but there's nothing stating how young his other family members were when they learnt of nen or if there's some age requirement before they teach to the younger members, but I assume he would have eventually learnt about it from his family regardless of whether he became a hunter or not

That's too much of a restriction for such a weak power

Its like that because it causes shit to pour of people's mouth for 40 years nonstop meaning it would kill the entire human race if I used it once.

I get some of the arguments for and against him using haki, but I don't see how that decides whether he lost his arm or not. There's too many variables in that situation for him just using haki to override

The Exam was preparing you to face off against the brutal harshness of nature, not against homicidal maniacs. They only allowed those types to join because Netero didn't care

What about a nen power that is me turning my nen into stinky explosive shit literal shit as in you will gag smelling it. When the shit explodes that horrible odor spreads everywhere my foes would be too busy puking and gagging for life to ever shit me. Then I just put some shit in their mouth and explode it. Restrictions would be I have to kill 8000 children in one month to use it for 30 minutes.

>He could have kill them silently, like a trained...assassin™
Or he could have not killed all of them and actually figured out what Killua was after... Like he did! Amazing concept
>Nice headcanon
Just as headcanon as "he wasn't using nen at all just because we as an audience couldn't see it"
>Examiners were supposed to be "beasts"
Now that's headcanon. Hisoka already said he was disappointed in the fucker, and ranks the majority of hunters as far beneath himself in combat capacity.
>It's a fucking fiction you autists. You are saying that you care about "realism" yet only when it's convenient. But when nen is used or you think it was used you throw all that logic and realism out of the window. And, no, adding nen magic doesn't change anything in context of that scene, you still don't know "how" it works just what tool was used.
Pretty sure if you can't see a difference between trained snake charming and "I can contort someone's face at a range by plunging needles into them until they finally tell me what I want to know, without me removing the needles," you're retarded. No one cares that you didn't get the name nen given to you at that exact moment

>harden arm
>fish breaks its teeth and leaves
or
>use emperor haki
>fish passes out

I get a lot of people do skip parts but still like I said there's no justifiable reason for it. Even if people don't enjoy part 1 it's so short and and sets up the entirety of the whole thing, and part 2 is excellent, Joseph is best JoJo

>Komugi and Neon never had their pores opened.
Given the context of the discussion at the time, nothing about a temporary, partial opening was brought up. If that's what you meant, I apologize, this was all unclear.

Is the argument more about whether oda foreshadowed haki or more about whether he did or didn't use it in that moment?

>and how Ponzu can control bees without nen in the hunter exam
How do you know she wasn't using nen? I don't recall it being said in the anime that she wasn't using nen. Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio just didn't know about it back then, therefore it would be perfectly possible for Ponzu to be able to use nen and Gon n co not noticing it. And besides Nen isn't necessarily needed for any kind of power in the hxh universe. If anything it would be kind of dull if every power would resolve around the use of nen. And sure it's the main 'power system' if you can call it that but that doesn't mean there can't exist other powers outside of that system.

He didn't foreshadow Haki. Why didn't Shanks use Haki if it existed from the beginning? Because Oda made it up as he went along and it ruined the Devil fruit power system. Now every fight in Wan Piss is muh haki > your haki

I'm not saying he did, but I'm just wondering about the shanks using haki argument being about that or not since I've seen people claim that before.
Personally I don't think he foreshadowed haki and I agree with you about it ruining devil fruit

The absolute state of you

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I only read like a little over half of Shaman King, but I remember it kicking ass. I was told the last 1/4th really sucks though.

>the hiatus still isn't over
Jesus Christ, and I thought we'd start getting a new batch of chapters in may. What the fuck is Togashi doing? He said he has the script for the next batch, and it's not like he draws detailed images, how the fuck couldn't he have whipped something up since november last year?

>killed all of them
I never said he should kill all of them, just most of them.
>Now that's headcanon
That's what hunters stated.
>Hisoka already said he was disappointed in the fucker
Well, yes because Hisoka is overpowerd and cocky.
>and ranks the majority of hunters as far beneath himself in combat capacity.
Yeah, because he is strong, as strong as a story demands of him to be. And that applies to all characters (like Bushidora from Election arc)
>Pretty sure if you can't see a difference between trained snake charming and "I can contort someone's face at a range by plunging needles into them until they finally tell me what I want to know, without me removing the needles," you're retarded. No one cares that you didn't get the name nen given to you at that exact moment
That's not what i was talking about, but...super magic snakes vs super magic needles. To me it makes no difference. And the way it works is just as vague, adding those two magical words: "because nen" is not an explanation that I can buy.

New........chapters.................when.............?...

Nobody ever says that Neon has not her pores opened, you're making shit up and you didn't understand shit about nen. Nen geniuses open them without realizing, without conscious training nor nen baptism, we literally see Komugi awaken and open her pores with an immediate aura surge to signify it. Don't know if you're the same guy or if this place is filled with people who didn't understand shit about nen

I don't even know why I keep wasting time, I'm the idiot for keeping this up, but whatever. No, they're not nen geniuses, they're nen users, and they're aware of it. I'm not even sure what your point is but I'm afraid you believe that they don't know shit about nen just because they're weak, not even gonna comment on it

>I never said all of them
Which has no baring on the point? No one cares that you wanted a killing spree when he had character motivations to not do that
>That's what the hunters stated
Saying he has to have fantastic nen is the headcanon. They're experienced hunters, experts in their fields, and far more skilled than the average applicant, and going to produce a challenge. That's all you've got
>Yeah
So don't pretend they have to have fantastic nen
>To me it makes no difference.
That's great, that really doesn't matter though.
>adding those two magical words: "because nen" is not an explanation that I can buy.
Then make your argument "I don't like the series" not "there was no power system"

>Ilumi should have just kill or knock down 95% of the hunter wannabies during the first phase. He is overpowered, confident and pragmatic.
Because that wasn’t the objective of the first phase at the time, you edgy speedreading simpleton.
>He would pass immediately
No he wouldn’t, useless mong.
>no one would disqualify him because that's what Killua did one year later.
How dumb and retarded can you fucking be?

God please, kill this simple fool.

>Leorio's opponent.
His name was Bodoro

Soon user

This makes sense and all. A good pov system.

>Nen geniuses open them without realizing
Neon couldn't see nen, even while using her hatsu. So she either temporarily opens any number of nodes excluding her eyes, or always has some of her nodes open. That's what I'm getting at.
So the person I'm replying to saying "You can't use Hatsu without having the pores opened," we have people who use hatsu, without having all of their nodes opened, and if the ants not reacting to Komugi is anything to go by only have some of their nodes open explicitly while accessing their nen and typically have the nen stream of a normal person.
So, while I don't think Killua was using enhancement, if it was hatsu he could have used it unconsciously and returned to the nen release of a normal person.
Is it clear now?

They probably see the aura but think it's normal or get used to it, not much they can do about it anyway since they don't know what nen is and how it works, seeing the aura doesn't change much, they're still using nen unconsciously without controlling it directly

He will be remembered

Togashi has foreshadowed nen all over the hunter exams
>gon using zetsu to tail hisoka
>killua describing netero's leg as "iron" when he kicked him
>hisoka's playing cards
>hisoka's blood lust
>illumi's disguise
>bourbon's and ponzu's creature taming
etc

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I'd say that alchemy is FMA's power system, and FMA didn't delve deeper into it.

For example, Arakawa could've used rules like how an alchemist can transmute mercury into platinum (two atomic number below it) and use the resultant energy to make an explosion or blast attack, having the blasted off alpha particle and resultant energy deal damage. But then again, alpha particles can easily be blocked by the skin and paper, so it should be utilized as melee attack and with something like a blade to make its radioactivity harmful.

Stuff like that are cool, as power systems generally are. But I can imagine normies shying away from technical stuff as complex as actual chemistry, mixed with the alchemy legends/speculations.

I get it but still I don't think that's the case, answered to some points here I don't get what you mean about the ants and Komugi, I'm saying that Komugi awakens, opens her pores and you can see aura surging all around her, that's the first time we see a nen genius awaken in real time and it looks like she opens all her pores

She obviously wouldn't realize because she's blind tho, even if the pores in the eyes did open, but by the general picture it looks like a full awakening like Gon and Killua's

A normal person with their nodes closed trickles nen out of their head. If you have your nodes open, you have a different release of nen. The ants were looking for nen users for food, and would have seen the difference. Thus, while not explicitly using her ability, her nen flow is shut off like a normal person. I'm not saying she doesn't have pores open while using nen, I'm saying while not using nen she's still in the same exact state as a normal person.

She's not using zetsu, she's not holding a ten, her pores explicitly have to close back up in between use.

Poor souls

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Hisoka racking up the body count...

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>"I don't like the series"
I think the writing/story/characters are decent. "Art" is mostly trash
>"there was no power system"
There is, from Heaven's arena and onwards. There was no hints at the system in the manga and some hints were added in the anime.
>no one would disqualify him because that's what Killua did one year later.
>How dumb and retarded can you fucking be?
Just read/watch greed island, you dumb tripfag

They only wanted to become a hunter...

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Actually there was a buildup toward nen during the hunter exam. My first opinion of nen was nearly the same as the one you're expressing, but if you think about it, it explains quite a bit about how Hisoka and Illumi were so much more powerful than the other participants already and how Gon was using setzu during the badge fight

>I don't even know why I keep wasting time, I'm the idiot for keeping this up, but whatever. No, they're not nen geniuses, they're nen users, and they're aware of it. I'm not even sure what your point is but I'm afraid you believe that they don't know shit about nen just because they're weak, not even gonna comment on it
your kinda cute did you know that? cute-user is you

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>"There were no hints"
>insert high IQ meme
And different user, but the examiner decides what happens. Menchi doesn't care if there's 300 people in front of her or 1, her exam was going to be cooking. Illumi didn't have any reason to believe he needed to do more to get through it faster. He was focused on staying under his alias and learning why Killua was even there.

She opened them for the first time only after playing with Meruem for a while, Meruem literally states that she just awakened and by Komugi'a reactions we know that that's the first time she experienced it, so she didn't switch on and off in the past, the ants couldn't have realized before that because she was still a normal human

Another thread where Hunterbros btfo brainlets once again using facts and logic
Feels good

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>Just read/watch greed Island
I did, what about you?
In the first part of the 287th hunter exam, their goal was running a marathon of 80km, not killing other applicants. While during the first phase of 288th hunter exam, was taking 5 badges of your enemies, the way of doing that was up to you.

I suggest you watch/read the Hunter exams again, you dumb ignorant speedreader.

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People are always dying the universe of HxH. I wonder if there is a afterlife and God in HxH. Reader & Watchers, how do you feel about people getting killed sinlge, by the dozens or hundreds?

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Absolute state of the fuckers who give shit to Gon on a daily basis for a innocuous and justified threat while this fag kills because he's butthurt he couldn't steal a ball from a geezer

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this fucking thread may become intersting afterall! well done fucking whisperfriends

>"There were no hints"
Yeah, I know but I am forgetful ESL that focuses on speed.
>but the examiner decides what happens
I think that the Chairman's opinion is the most important one.
>Illumi didn't have any reason to believe he needed to do more to get through it faster
He needed the license for his job so logically he should have wanted to get one asap.
>In the first part of the 287th hunter exam, their goal was running a marathon of 80km
No, they didn't have to run, just follow Satotz. And no one said that you can't kill or attack other people. That's what Tonpa did.
>288th hunter exam, was taking 5 badges of your enemies, the way of doing that was up to you.
Therefore Killua broke the rules and should have been disqualified, but Netero let him pass after the first phase instead.

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>I think that the Chairman's opinion is the most important one
Yes, he can overrule it. But you're still stuck with it being a case by case basis where he only gets involved in extremes.
>He needed the license for his job so logically he should have wanted to get one asap.
He wanted a few things that you've been ignoring, with Killua being a priority, and again didn't have an indication that killing off mostly everyone would make things any quicker. Several of the exams were "complete X." It doesn't matter if everyone's dead or unconcious. Even with Killua, Netero had been consulted to veto the remaining exams.

>No, they didn't have to run, just follow Satotz.
user, you do know what I mean ;) They had to follow Satotz in a 80 km marathon and keep up with him. Yes you could kill/injure/attack some or all of the applicants but that doesn’t end the exam.
>Therefore Killua broke the rules and should have been disqualified
But why? He took more than 5 badges, but still 5 badges so he passes the first round. Netero let him pass because he already knew Killua proofed himself in the previous exam.

My wife Pitou is so cute

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fuck off with that gay shit you giant homo pleb fucker

pitou is death and i fucking hope you die by punched et bullets

i curse the hiatus master with more back pain et broken spine. what kind of rude motherfucker let his fans wait for more than 6 months only to release 10 average chapters with some crude or medicore art? hackashi the hiatusmaster thats who!

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Far too many, and even one is enough to fuck up the whole story's power balance if they have enough narrative presence. Togashi passed that threshold over a decade ago

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i want to kill/slaughter/massacre/gas all pitoufags and their discord homebase from the face of the fucking earth

ey pitoufag. you belong to the lower part of the caste system

That's the retcon.

The last like 50-70 chapters are kinda ass, but there were some changes made in a re release.

Pitou is the queen of all hunter threads

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i used to believe that the people who treated HxH like high art were doing it ironically
how i wish for the return of those days

Chrollo cheated because he knew he would've lost in a real 1 on 1 fight against Hisoka.

Does the fact that everyone likes the 1999 version over the 2011 version debunk pic related?

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I want to stick my face inside of Mr Tonpa's smelly butt and die by suffocation as he sharts remnants of last day's BigMacs inside my respiratory system.

Doesn't apply to guys.

>guys

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Predator is complete shit when you're faced against someone like Kurapika where it would be insanely difficult to figure out the specifics of all his abilities

why are all the men in this series so THICC

Can people stop using Hisoka's cards as an example of "durr this totally foreshadowed nen", you know how common that trope is in all media?

Pitou is a good girl

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>just realizing that Togashi is lazy