Is there an anime bubble going on? More and more shows are getting greenlit, with talent being spread thinner and thinner, leading to big name franchises being farmed out to unproven newbies and unremarkable journeymen, and more and more contemptible 3DCG shows.
Is it sustainable? And if it's not, what's going to give?
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I think that it depends on their ability to monetize streaming. If they can manage that, they can start being choosy again in 5-10 years.
It's the opposite of a bubble. A bubble would mean that more money is flooding the market (leading to ambitious projects like in the 80s and 90s). The industry is suffocating. They are doing more and more jobs and barely getting enough money.
This may be the death throes of anime as we know it.
The number of series is actually decreasing compared to a few years ago. So, no, it wasn't sustainable.
3d cg is just more common because it's generally received in Japan, not because there are more series. It generally costs more though, which is what actually stops it from being widespread.
There is no bubble. What you're seeing is just the expansion of markets due to globalization.
What's the rationale behind this kind of nonsense business? You'd think if everyone was chomping at the bit to get anime made, the people who actually make the anime could afford to be choosey
How can you have both a surplus of work AND a fear of running out of projects? Is it like with videogames, where there's a brainwashed army of newbies who are willing to come in and work for fractions of a yen, so everyone feels replaceable?
>How can you have both a surplus of work AND a fear of running out of projects
You don't, because they don't have a surplus of workers. Studios nowadays will literally hire you on the spot because they're so understaffed (and your income is 1/3 of the minimum wage anyway lol)
Because the animators are too spineless to form unions and demand higher pay.
Late night anime allowed series to exist just to advertise other stuff like manga, mobile games or light novels rather than because they actually sold well for themselves or had good ratings. They could buy timeslots for cheap and then air these products with a potential market much larger than OVAs, which is what most of them would be previously.
Generally there were many series that sold well though, resulting in multimedia franchises.
However, sales of anime Bluray/DVD have been falling recently with the projects being sustained just by the intent of marketing other stuff in spite of the budget going lower and lower. Nowadays only a couple of shows per season even break 5k.
>Studios nowadays will literally hire you on the spot
God, I hate this. And they hire people who can't draw a fucking 3d sphere, no sense or skills at all and we have the trash that is anime nowadays
>You know what fixes everything? More central planning! Please just ignore the state of Detroit, San Fransisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, etc.
Mandatory unions would just put the studios out of business. The studios need to grow a spine and start negotiating for money that can be used to pay their employees a living wage so that talented people will want to enter the industry instead of taking their talents to an employer that will buy them a house.
Animation does not make that kind of money. It was a shoestring business from the very beginning. That's why most countries don't make a lot of cartoons.
And now the usual sources of income for anime are drying up, and the Japanese are struggling with the new ones.
>shoestring business
*shoestring budget business
Anime is an industry worth half of Hollywood. It's just that all the money goes to the production committees and they're not willing to pay their studios a living wage.
>Anime is an industry worth half of Hollywood.
Source?
Yes, there is a bubble.
I cant wait for it to pop, and then good anime can be made again.
>I cant wait for it to pop
be careful what you wish for
What's the worst that could happen? Fewer light novel adaptations and shows based on mobile games? What a crying shame
The only real drawback I see to the anime industry finally catching a shock for their shenanigans is that it'd reduce the amount of original shows being produced.
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Well, I spoke wrong earlier, it's actually the global box office that's worth 40 billion.
no industry lasts forever, especially one with such a low cost/profit ratio as animation
Wow the same shit people from the 90's complained about
Fuck off
That's part of it, but even if you're experienced you can still get fucked over by garbage scheduling. Something like One Punch Man S2 is incredibly lucky to even look as average as it does when the preview for it a month before it aired was nothing but stills and talking. Ideally, you'd need at least a year of production before a show's first episode airs, which is unlikely most modern shows have considering how many hospitalizations, delays, and studio busts have happened in the last 5 years.
Plus, animators are paid by the cut anyway, an inexperienced animator isn't going to get paid just for shitting out work the quality checker would have rejected under a decent schedule.
They were right though. Look at anime made before the recession and then look at the anime made now. The bubble of the 80s-early 90s already popped, and we're just living in the fallout.
Major studio heads need to get together and form a cartel. This cartel's purpose will be setting fees on projects. Anyone who's high up on a project which tries to charge less than the cartel fees will get blacklisted by the cartel studios. This will give them the leverage to actually get their employees paid.
Eventually, this cartel will become corrupt and betray its original purpose, and when that happens, all it'll take is a couple of good rebels to start the process of it no longer being beneficial to belong to the cartel. Hopefully, securing a good wage will be normalized by then.
Bro that plan is going to backfire before you say "Monopolies are bad for everybody except for rich guys".
When all of your money is secured voluntarily, you don't have enough power to form a true monopoly. If customers and industry people are desperate to not do business your way, a few people with enough talent and/or pull will eventually say "fuck it" and get together to act in spite of you, and at that point, your days are numbered.
>Silicon Valley
They have the banks sniping their enemies, and the FIRE sector is anything but a free market. They also receive government subsidies, tax breaks, and other forms of protectionism. That's not a free market scenario. They key is to destroy the tools (unwittingly created by leftists who think that they're harming the rich and corrupt; ask yourself why the Soros and Kochs of the world are panicking upon an actual dergulator and tax cutter acquiring the most powerful office in the world) by which actual monopolies form.
They already outsource animation to other countries though, that would just increase that.
Are they just going to cut all Japanese people out from the creative side? When Japanese culture is what they're selling? The studios would win that war real fast.
You talking 73 Atari crash?
You mean 84?
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT user NOT EVEN 5 SECONDS!
Ban YouTube plz.
Drawing a perfect sphere large enough to fill an A4 sheet is really really hard though.
Most writers, character designers and even many directors aren't actually tied to studios.
This is offtopic, but the post picture made me think of this- why are Sailor Moon fan's generally so cancerous.
I actually really enjoyed the first arc of Sailor Moon. I really, really liked the sort of vivid night like aesthetic, the general design absurdity of the Sailor Senshi, Tuxedo Mask and the Youma, and the sense of intrigue revolving around the Silver Millenium, past lives, and all that. Non of the other arcs really lived up to the original, and each subsequent arc was worse than the last (with the exception of Super, which I suppose I didn't particularly like because I hated Sailor Uranus). Also, the ending of Sailor Stars in the anime is atrocious, whilst in the manga I found it far better.
The real problem with Sailor Moon is the cancer fanbase. Like, the general fanbase of the show are fucking horrific. The kind of fat, ugly attention whores who think they're some kind of princess and probably describe their sexuality in 5 or more words.
I mean, I suppose I don't really make it incredibly well known I'm a fan, given I'm a boy in my early 20s, but whenever you do meet somebody who calls themselves a fan, they nearly always meet my above description, and if you ever see any fan art- most of the time it just butchers Usagi and the senshi.
The Japanese people are dying out anyway.
>Major studio heads need to get together and form a cartel.
You think there isn't one already?
>all it'll take is a couple of good rebels
lol
There are three types of fem anime fans: people who don't take it seriously, fujoshi and yumejo. Sailor Moon, mainstream as it is, attracts the closest thing to something like normalfag yumejo and we all know that yumejo are cancerous as isekai self-inserters.
There was actually a "Pong crash" in the mid 70s caused by the easy availability of cheap Pong game chips resulting in everyone and their dog wanting in on the home video game Pong market and shitting out an endless stream of Pong consoles that were all literally the same thing, they just looked differently. It killed the market because they eventually had to be sold as a colossal loss and people STILL didn't want to buy them. The market was saved when actual home consoles like the Atari 2600 came out and redefined what a video game console was.
That's actually a pretty good analogy for the current anime market.
>market is being flooded by stuff that's literally the same shit over and over
>sales are decreasing because people don't WANT to buy the same shit over and over
huh
There's no shortage of money flowing into the anime industry. The pie is getting bigger, not smaller. They money just isn't flowing into the pockets of the people who are actually creating the product. This is because the studios have always been horrible at fighting for their slice of the pie. The only thing that can fix this are the studios going to war with the publishers.
And the 84 crash was because people just kepted consoles for 20+ years and would just not buy the new ones. However there were so many games being made that everything back then was quanity>>>quality. You got shit like E.T. I have a feeling it's more like 84 because it isn't the same shit, it's obviously different shit but it's being spread so thin that everything is becoming shit.
Crash of 84' is much more fitting.
>Publishers
More like the higher ups.
>65k
Wow, he's practically a billionaire!
>What about the VA?
A-list VAs have more sources of income than just the shows. Music, for example. Their names also bring money into the project, which enables them to demand more.
At any rate, if the studios were fighting for their share, right would be higher, right-ish would be like right, middle would be like rightish, and left would be like middle. 40-50k is a reasonable middle class wage for a skilled entry-level worker.
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