What makes a good harem anime?
What makes a good harem anime?
Kevin Anderson
Jackson Reyes
An MC worthy of that much attraction.
If the MC is worthy, it thus makes the girls good too because they won't have shit taste.
Logan Parker
tits and a token yamato nadeshiko
Jaxon Cooper
Characters should have personality, ambitions, beliefs, emotions, internal logic, reasons for liking the mc, and nuance (no caricature bullshit)
No self-inserting
Austin Murphy
No such thing
Adam Nelson
Canon orgies
Jordan Reyes
JS
Brody Young
MC should feel like he deserves his harem.
Haremettes should have hefty amounts of interactions with each other because it's their internal dynamics which decides whether the true harem end works or not.
Beyond that just follow the rules and conventions of palatable writing.
Oh and most importantly, it should actually have a harem ending.
Jace Harris
the MC is female
Lincoln Russell
Colton Martinez
Mandatory!
Jaxson Hill
harem anime is shit because the mc tends to be a dense, bland self insert blockhead, who has plenty of girls throwing themselves at him for no believable reason and he does NOTHING to them in return
a harem VN game though? lets take a look at evenicle, even though i hate harem anime i loved this game because it feels like the MC "earned" his girls AND he fucks all of them
Mason Hall
Girls chilling around marble fountains half-naked.
Kevin Hall
Good harem coming through.
Elijah Cox
girls with a range in personality and body shape
Charles Bell
>no harem end
>good
Ryan Powell
Cute girls doing cute things. So basically not harem
Alexander Collins
Girls with personality
Noah Howard
Yes the ending was shit, for that reason I've decided to ignore it, so I can say that it doesn't even exist.
Colton Ward
a best girl better than the rest better and than the best
Samuel Campbell
Noah Diaz
>MC doesn't end up with best girl
>good harem
Aiden Turner
are you having a stroke?
Jayden Morales
It's actually a harem and not a 'Who will win bland MC bowl?'.
Connor Diaz
female lead and female haremettes.
Easton Rodriguez
>season 2 never
Alexander Thompson
cunny
Levi Stewart
big tiddies
Aiden Rivera
>end up with the best girl
It's a romance drama/love triangle type thing at that point, not a harem
Angel Lee
good writing always helps.
Sebastian Russell
worst girl has to be designated winner
Austin Reed
Don't let the hope disappear user.
Noah Phillips
>Doesn't take itself too seriously (at least concerning the harem aspect), since the concept itself is already pretty corny
>Slow but steady plot progression rather than constant rewinding back to status quo.
>Good overall group dynamic rather than just being direct relationships between the girls and the MC.
>Mixing things up a bit by having side relationships, so that not every female in the cast is lusting after one character.
>Not actually being a harem
Colton Brown
Alternatively,
>Rance is somehow involved.
Gavin Gomez
What was the anime adaption of this like? I faintly remember people being pissed of with the designs.
Jeremiah Ross
Harem ending.
Lucas Stewart
MC choose a monogamous ending.
Camden Parker
>A non useless portag who deserves the attention
>Girls who all have justifiable reasons for liking him beyond being "A nice guy" with stories and arcs of their own that play into the larger narrative.
>Decent jokes/action/whatever basic elements of the genre you're working in.
Essentially you just really need to write the story properly. Certainly include harem elements but don't forget you're a story first and foremost.
Luke Cooper
A good artist + cute and funny situations
Joseph Rogers
A big problem these days is that characters are played to closely to their archetype. A tsundere, for popular example, will usually just put too much focus on being a tsundere and less to no on WHY they're a tsundere. They just exist to check off a box of character types that are popular. This is especially bad when they're just a violent little shit on top of that.
Also, and this is gonna sound contradictory, tone down the wish fulfillment just a skosh. Not a lot. It's a harem anime it's inherently a wish fulfillment genre and there's nothing wrong with that but a big problem, especially these days, is that the girls almost always get completely overshadowed to the point of near uselessness. One of the girls can be a supposedly ultra badass lady knight or whatever but how many times have we seen this kind of girl just be completely useless so the MC can just bullshit his way to a win. Again, not saying don't have the MC be ultra badass but don't make it for no reason, you just make the characters all lamer that when no one has to work or learn or put in any effort beyond plot hax. You actually make the hero a lot cooler when you don't make the girls jobbers, because if they're awesome he's awesome.
Nathan Sanders
Somehow all girls are best girl.
Obviously each girl has their own appeal that pulls an user/MC one way or another, but still all of them are good and viable on their own.
Jackson Taylor
Sex
Elijah Campbell
Girls dump the bland MC and hang out with each other since he mainly acted as a conduit for their own interactions. You remove the useless appendage from harems and it evolves into CGDCT.
Brandon Williams
All these sluts can't make up for best girl
Julian Ramirez
Did the rest of the Rokujouma novels ever get ripped?
Aaron Thompson
Josiah Williams
Personality and goals. Every one of the rokujoumas had something she wanted, and unlike in battle harems the MC couldn't really directly help them, so in effect we had 6/7 stories with each girl as the main character and MC as a side character.
Jonathan Carter
Nothingburger. And they made best boy a fag.
Michael Sanders
Side relationships are one of my favorite things to watch develop. Shame the guy's next manga got axed.
Dylan Perry
Man, that show's artsyle regressed later on.
Hunter Sanchez
I don't have a punchline.
Wyatt Collins
Justlightnovels has up to 30 prepub from JClub. 31 (latest) is half done also.
Gavin Price
GJ-bu was something that felt like it could benefit from that. It had these girls that seem like they could easily carry a CGDCT show together and instead it got dragged down repeatedly by having to interact with the boring MC.
Jonathan Gutierrez
Thesis: Harem
Antithesis: CGDCT
Synthesis: Silly romance
Robert Watson
It still had the same problem that the girls were the only interesting ones in it. Maybe the manga does it better but none of the fun was because of the male characters in the anime.
Even a quite standard clueless guy like in Ueno-san provided a lot more fun.
Ethan Rodriguez
Girls and atmosphere.
Carter Roberts
Yeah, the guys are way better in the manga plz royal just another page plz I don't think Poop Prince even showed up in the anime.
Brayden Miller
it's easier to take the lowest common denominator MC as your self insert, and keep the interesting male characters with different personalities in a different genre. having a subdued MC lets the girls act more confident/dominant which lets their personalities shine
Kevin Scott
And girls in love don't act like girls that are just in a club. I prefer ensembles but I acknowledge they're hard to pull off.
Chase Johnson
A bunch of good girls.
Noah Hall
A secondary male character. Best bros with MC. Has a girl for himself.
Levi Green
A good MC whom the girls attraction to him is justified
Jayden James
So you go from shit to even more shit?
Jeremiah Ramirez
oxymoron
Jordan Jenkins
thread ended here
Kevin Jenkins
>two friends get isekai'd
>compete to see who can build the biggest harem
Jayden Rivera
>one's the standard doormat eeehhh MC
>the other's the standard jerkwad meme MC
Jeremiah Williams
>Bromance happens instead,both of the harems get eternally cucked
Jayden Brown
Fund it
Dylan Garcia
CGDCT is good but Gj-bu is great because of how the mc interacts with the cast of girls.
James Cox
- good MC. Nobody wants to read harem with a worthless dweeb. If the guy kicks ass, is romantically proactive, or charismatic all aroud, then you won't be surprised he's got multiple girl over him.
- girls have their own personalities, reasons to like the MC, and all get a fair amount of screen time. They need to be more than moe archetypes. Also, the "worst" girl still needs to be likable. How many series have that one girl absolutely no one like except for a small dedicated fanbase and it ends up poisoning the well everytime.
- harem end ideally. If there's a main girl, and the others are just filler then the whole thing is worthless. In that case, focus the series on the main relationship completely and get rid of the third wheels, don't mke a harem show.
Carter Cox
>how the mc interacts with the cast of girls.
Just saying ehhhh accounts for probably half of his dialogue, unless the last 3-4 episodes I didn't bother with really changes it up.
It wouldn't be as bad if it was just one of the girls that was really interested in him but it felt like all of them were wasting time pretty much interacting with a wall, which is why it feels like a standard harem to me.
Joseph Sanchez
Shion best girl
Wyatt Morris
Season 2 when?
Henry Wilson
a likeable MC
MC that deserves affection or at least the girls having reasonable justification for liking MC
Fanservice that doesn't try to pretend like its being subtle or PC (monster musume does this very well VS something like asterisk war where its a ooh oooh you almost saw her tits this time
having a cast of girls who are distinct from each other in terms of either personality and or physical appearance.
either good comedy/jokes (monster musume does this well again both with fanservice jokes and running gags like Mrs smith not liking instant coffee but liking darling kuns coffee despite it being instant coffee)
having the fanservice scene make at least some legitimate amount of sense
doing something that deviates from the norm in harem anime or doing a trope very well (monster musume deviating from the norm or DxD taking the tropes and just having fun with them and making sure the audience knows the show is aware of what it is and what its doing)
those are just a few things that differentiate good harem anime from bad ones
Hudson Murphy
This is where the thread REALLY ends.
Jeremiah Thompson
Dynamic variety
Ambiguous affection
cathartic slapstick
Each girl has to not only be different enough from each other, but their relationship with the MC has to be different too. If the MC has a scene with girl X instead of Girl Y, audiences should be able to anticipate what's going to happen.
Keep the relationships ambiguous. Teasing a will they/won't they scenario over the audiences head is NOT keeping it ambiguous, though. You have to actually come up with interesting things for the characters to do while they ignore their future together.
Just as a true tradgedy is great people trying their hardest and failing, True comedy is about terrible people making every wrong decision and still coming out on top.
In addition, just as God will come down from the machine to save the Tragic hero at the last minute so audiences won't be sad, the inverse can happen in comedies. Everything works out in the end between the MC and whichever girl he had a hillarious misunderstanding with.... And then a pair of little girl panties slips out of his jacketsleeve and the enetire ensemble cast tries to kill him.
Christian Jenkins
Considering there aren't really any examples of a yuri harem in anime it doesn't help much.
Danchou would maybe have one right now if all the girls weren't so stuck up.
Christopher Morris
MC and girls with a personality is nice but that should be a given if you want a decent series, you also have to develop the characters or make their interactions feel natural, have a somewhat interesting or fun plot if the series leans more on that side, good or at least decent jokes if is a comedy series, also don't repeat the same jokes. Fanservice is not necessary but if is there then it should be just a side thing and not a main focus, that is what doujins and hentai are for. Being self-aware is not enough or else you end up with shit like DxD, Shinmai and hell even Isekai series have bland MCs having sex with girls now just for the sake of being "different" or "self-aware"
Sebastian Hall
That's what I want to know.
Blake Cruz
Good characters.
Aiden Thomas
>Shallow archetypes and tropes in the girls
>Fap material
>An MC who is bland, uninformed, and oblivious enough for the kind of person who watches harem shows to self insert.
Camden Green
Kill yourself yuricucks
Hudson Thomas
>abusive loose-vagina rapist old woman
>cold flat bitch
>his sister and NO you can't fuck your sister
>Yui, best girl
It would be better if no harem
Robert Richardson
>you can't fuck your sister
Not with that kind of attitude.
Jackson Martin
>cold flat bitch
If there is one character that isn't cold in Oregeiru it's Yukino speedreader.
Mason Hill
This and korean zombie are my favorites.
Hudson Scott
Pic not related
Lucas Johnson
Yui is a backstabbing snake user
Robert Martin
Ange Vierge
John Ward
I think harem should be written as either SoL with a male character or with a clear winner and a cast of side characters.
The one chapter per girl ad having to keep pretending everyone can win are what is hurting the genre
Charles Barnes
Yukino doesn't even like 8man so she is clearly worst girl
Gabriel Young
The answer is the characters, which is also the answer to the question "What makes a good anime?"
Characters > Story Developing > Story
Jace Martinez
Calm down Yuipollfag.
Brody Long
She wouldn't even consider him as a friend
John Davis
>quoting shit from the first volumes
She already said they were friends in both another as well as the timeline, shitposter.
Tyler Nguyen
she don't want the friendzone, which means...
Nicholas Reyes
>She already said they were friends
>she don't want the friendzone
Yukinotards in a nutshell
Dylan Bell
there is not a single moment when she did or said something that could imply that she likes/loves him. Even at this point we can barely say that she respects him
Carson Sanders
Yes? They gave two normal answers.
Grayson Williams
Feel free to stop lying at any time YPF
Andrew Bell
>tfw Yui is such a shitty heroine, Yuifags are frothing at the mouth every single day
Feels good
Nathaniel Wright
answers that contradict each other but sure
Benjamin Mitchell
One says that they are already are friends, the other says that she wants even more. No contradictions here.
David Cox
That comes after the point where the anime ends right or is it in the manga?
Anthony Nguyen
but she never actually said to him that they are friends and is just pointless drama. She was holding his sleeve because she was afraid.
Xavier Richardson
both, but yukino has been in love with hachiman since the halfway point
Adam King
>but she never actually said to him that they are friends
Yeah I guess you're right secondary.
Thomas Green
>She was holding his sleeve because she was afraid.
Cope
Cameron Brown
From what point on did she started to like (grow feelings) I think it was at pic related
Wyatt Lee
Connor Morris
She was looking out for him all the time but I think she started to really like him (or realised that she liked him) form that point on because she saw him as a victim of his own methods and it impacted her.
At the culture festival 8man made something way more humiliating than getting rejected but she didn't witness it, she just heard about it and sorted it under the category of 'typical 8man'.
She started to change because her emotions changed. Right before he made his fake confession Yui and Yukino had no idea what he was about to do but they trusted and respected him. But after Yukino saw him getting humiliated she took it personal. She was hurt emotionally and she started to oppose anything that could hurt 8man and thus herself since she was emotionally connected to him form that point on. She isn't good with empathy but from the moment she fell in love with him it was easier for her.
Nolan Bailey
Same
Liam Martinez
Nino.
Julian Gomez
Quintuplets and a chad mc
Isaac Lee
Imagine watching the anime and not coming away thinking Yui is best girl
Charles Garcia
Actually a lot easier than you imagine
Benjamin Gray
I am reminded of an ancient 4koma with 2 dudes talking about the ultimate harem anime. The bald dude's final conclusion was essentially yours. The removal of the protagonist.
Asher Young
>Anime
Yeah I hear that a lot of times. Stop being such a faggot and read the manga (extra points for reading the LN)
Kayden Miller
I hate to say it but I blame her VA who speaks way to lethargic.
Jose Cooper
I'd rather just see more NORMAL protags. Useless faggots are obnoxious but I feel like giga chads present their own problems too because it's easy to just make the MC do everything at the expense of making the girls useless.
Evan Young
I have the LN on my phone. I'll read it as a prelude to the new season so about a month before. But the anime clearly depicts Yui as the clear best girl.
Wyatt Taylor
No it doesn't. Yui is a traiterous snake.
Christopher Scott
A healthy competition clearly defined by characters hair colours.
Pink > silver > orange > black
Logan Stewart
next season
Oliver Peterson
Yui is the only real one who is mentally strong enough to figure out what she wants and is willing to put herself on the line to go after it. She's the only one who actually continues to show self improvement as the series goes on. Basically she isn't a pussy.
David Cook
>mentally strong enough to figure out what she wants and is willing to put herself on the line to go after it. She's the only one who actually continues to show self improvement as the series goes on.
Both of those are wrong faggot. Yui hasn't grown at all and the only thing she ever does is lust after Hachiman's dick because he saved her dog.
Carson Bell
>stood by Hikki's side when he asked for help
>Yukino ran away
Lincoln Russell
>I have never tried stopping him, he was my hero, I never wanted to see him get hurt, I couldn't do what Yukino did
Ah, yes, yes.
Camden Gray
I heard the LN ended.
Jacob King
Yukino ran away because she was hiding her emotions.
Noah Morris
1. Cute girls.
2. MC that isn't a faggot.
3. Cute girls.
Jose Lee
Are you even paying attention this is about the anime. Yui is portrayed as the savoir. This is typical for Anime. For a good waifu war (==money) they have to make all girls appealing. Yukino's character suffered a great deal because of this (can't have one character who is to strong) and Yui isn't shown from her bitchy side. In the anime she is just an innocent girl that is trying her best to make everyone happy.
Evan Carter
No, if you pay attention, Yui is a colossal asshole in the anime too.
>Yui is portrayed as the savoir
First of all, it's savior and secondly, hell fucking no. Yui is a selfish bitch.
Nolan Walker
Because she shows no real growth and she's a squirmy little cunt from the beginning to end
Blake King
You just described Yui, pay better attention
Aaron Torres
>Yui is a colossal asshole in the anime too.
Have you actually watched the anime? I know it's fucking awful but it's kind of a requirement to talk about it my friend.
There is not a single scene were you find about about how she really feels/thinks about certain things
>it's savior and secondly,
Oh come on I switched two letters
>Yui is a selfish bitch.
In the LN and the Manga and probably in the next season as well.
Bentley Long
The manga and the LN are still being published if I'm not mistaken.
Jason Jenkins
>Have you actually watched the anime?
Yui is one of those people who's all happy rainbow sundrops who thinks they're being friendly but don't realize how their actions make other people feel.
Brandon Wood
They fuck. MC isn't a spineless 'oops I saw panties' character. The girls are not obnoxious prudes that inflict physical harm for comedy when no one is at fault, or a character willingly exposes. From there I don't care if the plot is a simple SoL about a household of exhibitionist nymphos or if there's a combat excuse plot that got everyone together. Just don't bother with calling it a harem if the girls (or guys in a reverse harem) are not up for polygamy, and absolutely progress it from 1-2 of the girls being playful and evocative to the point they insist on dropping the pretense and actually fucking.
Wyatt James
NO MAIN GIRL! Im tired of so called "harems" that are really little more than just a lousy normal slow moving romcom with the first girl and then a whole bunch of orbiter girls who are their to basically pad the roster and draw out said initial romcom.
Ryder Sanders
Yes that is why she actually fits well into the trio and I wouldn't hate her if that would be her overall character.
8man and Yukino are to reserved and Yui isn't. That dosen't make her a bad person. Sometimes she works as a proper plot device to bring 8man and Yukino closer towards each other.
Outside of the Anime you also learn how she is lying and how fake she is towards both of them.
Evan Johnson
Holy fuck this has the shittiest ending ever.
Carter Wright
Is the anime getting a new season?
Lucas Sanchez
It started good but it became boring to read near the end. Keima was nice but he didn't change that much. Would have been a decent harem series but the ending felt too rushed and unsatisfactory.
Jeremiah Reed
yes
Josiah Rivera
That helps
Isaac Cook
Fuck you.
Levi Walker
Cute girls with good personalities, enough character and relationship development to make all girls plausible and most of all, no fucking "Here's the main heroine who's already won but it's totally a harem guys!!!" shit.
What's the point of having a "harem" if it's really just "Here's the main couple and their beta orbiters"?
Robert Ramirez
Why is Rito such a fag?
Blake Cruz
I love harem anime.
Chase Sanchez
Explain to me what makes Yui good? What is it that she likes about 8man? Why does she become Yukino's friend right off the bad without even knowing her? We're just told 8man saved her dog and she likes him, that's her entire character.
Alexander Kelly
Another proof that yaharifags are cancerous and worst fanbase on Yea Forums.
Chase Campbell
the series attracted so many Yea Forumstards
Robert Butler
no, just the shitposters and sidegirlfags
Ethan Foster
Eli Rodriguez
Who are you trying to fool? The threads have been cancerous from day one going from blogshit to 100% pure waifuwars and the worst part is they don't even keep their shit contained in their own threads.
Blake Russell
I know, I hate it too, but it's not the fault of the people that really do like the series.
Logan Phillips
I'm an Irohafag
I don't shitpost, I swear!
Brody Walker
Yui needs to learn to be more observant of other people's feelings.
Evan Ward
Not trying to be rude but maybe you should try a different place to discuss this series because it's clear you won't find any here. Doesn't help whatever was there to talk about has been discussed to death, at best you will find people pretending to have a discussion by reposting the same arguments they have been posting for years.
Jaxson Reyes
>Good overall group dynamic rather than just being direct relationships between the girls and the MC.
>Mixing things up a bit by having side relationships, so that not every female in the cast is lusting after one character.
All are valid, but these are the two that really get me. Side relationships and group dynamics outside of just the MC. This is what killed Trails of Cold Steel to me, almost the entirety of the cast is there to prop Rean up and there's such little interaction of the core characters out of it. It was such a lazy and poorly executed harem. Jitsu wa was a masterstroke in having all the characters be connected to the MC, but having real relationships and plenty of time devoted to them outside of him, like glasses dude and the childhood friend, vampire and ayylien, Akarin and the delinquent dude, etc.
Aaron Nguyen
B00B1E5, of which there are none here
>drops in the gutter
Ayden Parker
Yeah, Jitsu wasn't even a harem, it was a romantic comedy.
Benjamin Fisher
Pretty much. And it also was smart enough to pair the main couple up a third of the way through and continue trucking along normally.