Why is Asian fantasy so rare in anime? Why is it always goddamn medieval Europe?

Still nothing compared to living the standard historical knowledge they learn in schools/tv series/etc 24/7.

Literally what drugs are you smoking, because I want some.

because to them, everything that happened their folk lore, actually happened.
they still have a fucking god emperor.

I think he means more "Ancient Japan" based fantasy. Not modern day with cute foxegirls or youkai in not!meiji era fantasy.

I think Gintama and Katsugeki Touken Ranbu get close to it, also Thunderbolt Fantasy if you count puppetplays as well

What are some slice of life anime that play in the united states present time?

Only difference has to be girls are not annoying manipulative whores all the time.

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Because all modern fantasy relates itself in some way to Lord Of The Rings, which is western.

youtube.com/watch?v=xo_liAEJrz4

do Americans really eat that? It sounds so disgusting its basically like eating sugar.

more like JRPG "fantasy" that is in turn based on LOTR style European Fantasy

Because Chinks consider western setting exotic because it is foreign to them?

You mean Inuyasha and Kitarou and Sengoku Youko et al?

Stop eating shitty peanut butter then retard.
The only ingredient in good peanut butter is peanuts.

That's one in what, 3 seasons? And it's a crappy wish fulfillment shit.

Meanwhile every season has 1-3 medieval Europe isekai trash.

Medieval Japan is okay setting but the problem with medieval Japan it being isolated. And the main event during that time was Sengoku period which is quite diverse in how different Warlords behaved

Grape jelly is more commonly used for it then blueberry jelly but yes. And while the jelly is obviously sugary the peanut butter is fine as long as your using a decent brand. Its not much different than putting jelly on toast.

I wish you shit heads would admit you don't actually follow anime instead of doubling down on your absolutely retarded generalizations.

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I went to America as an exchange student in Nebraska. Americans have a bizarre obsession with peanut butter and fried chicken.

Lord of the rings itself is collection of various folklore.

Can i get a sauce on this

>Asian
The 3 kingdoms has been done a million times, and is always being redone in some format.

Almost every big picture fantasy has an Asian society within it.

>isekais
Maybe stop watching isekais

>Nebraska
>Obsession with fried chicken and peanut butter.

Yep, checks out. Come to Maryland some time. Everything here is crabs and old bay seasoning.

>medieval Europe?
More like this jap isekai wierd version of renaissance Europe, with adventure guilds, characters being aware of meta and godawful artdesign.
Also I know it's a nitpick, but why the fuck do japs do this style of "armor" in fantasy so much? Medieval japs knew how to forge proper brestplates and armor, so why the fuck do modern jap artists hate proper armor so much? It's not even western kind of bad, when artists draw oversized shoulderpads and xboxfuckhuge armor, it;s like japs hate properly designed armor as a concept.

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>gay trash

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And all objects are an amalgamation of smaller particles.

You are legit retarded. Asian mythology is 20x more diverse than Christianity dominated medieval Europe. And I love how everyone always forgets that right after Sengoku Japan invaded Korea and had two giant wars with Korean/Chinese coalitions with battles 3x the scale of largest battles in Europe at the time.

And before that they were involved in Korean wars between Goguryeo, Silla and Baekje.

But what the fuck do I expect from fags who probably get all their knowledge from video games.

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Why can't Japs do good scifi?
>inb4 mecha shit

Neither can west for last 20 years.

Japan don't actually know how Medieval Europe worked. They think swords, horses, knights, Nobles and Princesses.
Look at how "Medieval Europe" by the Japanese; anything goes.
Look at how actual Europeans portray "Medieval Europe"; gritty and depressing.

Mythology is only one part of the whole.

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Secondend!
FUKKEN SAUCE!!

They did back in the 80s.

Probably he refers to original fantasy worlds. There is plenty of Japanese fantasy but there is very few japanese or eastern inspired fantasy in general.

I mean, when its a western medieval fantasy is 99% of the time original worlds with very few exception (Maria the virgin witch is one of those few eception) but when its a japanese fantasy 99% of the time is Japan or some twisted version of japan with very few exception.

Original worlds trend to be western medieval, while Japanese fantasy takes place in actual Japan.

There is even more chinese inspired fantasy works that are original worlds (Saiunkoku monogatari or 12 kingdoms for example) than there are are japanese inspired fantasy worlds that doesn't take place on Japan.

Curiously enough in the western original worlds there is often characters clearly Japanese inspired that come "from east" or "some island" but the action never takes place in those places.

ITs as if every fantasy is meant to take place in other worlds or in Japan, it can't take place in another world that looks like Japan

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They want to get as far away from home as possible.

Wait. they adapted the "I Isekai'd as an overpowered sword"?

Found it, brother! According to Sauce Nao:

konohana kitan

Like what?

Do you even watch anime?

The real problem is 90% of modern japanese fantasy being isekai with MMO mechanics.

I think it has to do with the Japanese themselves being conservative traditionalists. They can't just "make up" stories about their own legends and folklore. It has to be a somewhat rigid adaptation.

>Giving recs to retarded snouneniggers
Nah

Dragon Quest and MMORPGs got really popular and thus are common in weeb escapism.

Also, let's be real. No other culture in the planet has had a Tolkien.

Which is why almost all top selling anime are about Japan?

The same reason why asian fantasy is interesting to Americans and Europeans. Medieval Europe fascinates them.

Asians were doing fantasy stories like Monkey King long before that.

I don't know the answer but "pandering" is my best guess.
With western fantasy you can pander to Japanese that love JRPG since ancient times
With fantasy works set on Japan they can pander Japanese that love their own lore (like pretty much every country in the world love their own folklore and history)

Now, Chinese fantasy exist and I guess it panders to the small portion of Japanese that love chinese folklore and history.
But is not a big audience so there is no much point in make too much works aimed to them.

>weaboos actually believe this

because it fcking sucks

I think it has to do with Norse mythology in generally being more "epic" than other mythologies. The stories tend to connect better together where as a lot of folklore just doesn't make any sense.

Myths and folklore are just a bunch of stories from thousands of years ago piled on top of each other and jammed together.

You mean isekai?

>why the fuck do modern jap artists hate proper armor so much
Because japan's western fantasy is largely based on old jrpgs, which had anime artstyles and therefore vibrant, saturated, colorful worlds and art design.
Real, proper armor are likely too bland, grey, tin-canny and boring for them. At least, for the chosen one, since I see heavily armored guards and allies quite often.

>why the fuck do japs do this style of "armor" in fantasy so much
Because they probably realized that a sword wielding hero wearing only a tunic, pants, and a tiara pretty retarded.
That kinda design is their answer to having a relatively armored hero, but still keeping the jrpg aesthetics.

You mean they believe facts?

Evangelion, Madoka, GuP, Love Live or Your Name are isekai?

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Gundam is about a mild mannered Canadian boy suddenly finding himself thrust into a "new world" where he must fight in a brutal war.
The #1 best selling anime ever is indeed isekai.

>facts
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>The #1 best selling anime ever is indeed isekai.

What the hell are you smoking? Gundam was never #1 and it sure as hell is not isekai in any way.

>I have no argument

How is any of that wrong you dumb faggot?

I'm willing to bet my very life Gundam has made more money than Evangelion, Madoka, GuP, and Your Name combined.

christianity did not replace the local folklore and myths in europe and the largest wars in europe eclipsed japan's wars against korea and china.

all peanuts are poison

>asian fantasy
>rare
Bitch, have you ever seen Roman or Bronze-age fantasy? Eh?

Where are my fucking pegasi?

You are comparing a entire region to a single country. East Asia or China by itself is as interesting as European history which gets very dull after the collapse of Rome and until the Crusades.

Akatsuki no Yona is Korean fantasy

>European history which gets very dull after the collapse of Rome and until the Crusades
nigger i will fight you

Flip Flappers did original fantasy worlds pretty well. Though I guess technically you could call it an Isekai, but it's clearly built different from how Isekai is usually done nowadays.

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PB&J is a power food

I wish they did

Monkey King doesn't have the comprehensive lore and themes of Tolkien that can be easily translated to a vidya. It is a mishmash of tales connected by a mc. And it is dated as fuck. That is the issue.

Most mythologies around the world don't have the proper compilation and retooling that Tolkien spent decades on. The monkey clan doesn't have the feel of a unified culture like Elves do.

Europeans don't know how medieval Europe worked either

>lore and themes of Tolkien that can be easily translated to a vidya
You mean utterly bastardized into SHIT

>Tolkien
>implying he's any good

on one hand I'd like some greco-roman anime otoh they would just make every historical figure a woman and isekai a high school nip into it

>inb4 tolkien is bad because this guy in the 19th century made up fantasy in his spare time before Tolkien's life's works
lit please go

>muh lotr

It's literally better than Homer.

>Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious - you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike - his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés - elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings - have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.
DAMN

I am not the biggest fan of his fiction. But his worldbuilding was just so throughout and iconic that no others have been able to match and nobody has really done the same for other mythologies.

>socialist political activist
into the oven he goes

Seems like it's just easier to fellate him than indulge in other worldbuilding.

because japan has had time to steal the latest fantasy culture from china and the antagonism between china and japan after all the war crimes they committed means they can't just "borrow" it as easily compared to how they borrowed everything else in the past.

something else is you don't know japanese cultural stuff so you don't even know when it is japanese fantasy instead of western influenced stuff.

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The thing about Tolkien is that he meant his works as an epic for the Brits. As such, it's far easier for any European to associate with it than something completely removed from Europe. Who knows, after an apocalypse it might be taken for actual history, like Homer's work was taken for granted in ancient Greece. And why would the Greeks want or need anything else than what Homer wrote of them?

From what I saw from the movies, his world seems small. If that was his goal, or if the books go more in depth in the books, that's something different. But if it was meant as an actual epic, for me it falls flat.

>angloid-saxoid circle-jerk to tolkien/english author pretending he's the greatest anything
gross. luckily the west is declining while the east is rising otherwise in 20 years people would be pretending harry potter invented magic like how they pretend tolkien invented everything he "borrowed". cultural imperialism is so cringe

>movies
get the fuck out

What did he borrow?

>reading literature

fuck reading I dont got time for that shit

everything? he took already existing mythology and then just wrote about them within his own story. he simply reinvented the wheel with his polish. he's the face of it all because he's an english author and the west has had cultural supremacy so they're pushing themselves as being the best and creators of it all. people go to college classes about harry potter and if the established cultural influence was going to continue then in 20-40 years people would be writing about how harry potter is so unique and invented the genre

As an Illustrative example:From Software Titles
Dark Souls (Knightly Fantasy) is set in a constructed world of gods and demons with epic wars, thousands of years of history, and a soul-destroying zombie apocalypse
Bloodborne (Victorian Gothic Steampunk/Gaslamp Fantasy) is set in another constructed world with an entire city of vampires turning into feral werewolves and fucking Cthulhu knockoff dragging people into nightmare dimensions via head explosions.
Sekiro (Japanese Fantasy) is literally just set in turn if the 17th century Japan, it gives magic to a single small faction who lose and get genocided anyway, and the magic itself came from outside Japan. Nip creators just have this obsession with de-mystifying their own folklore.

Why is it every time a thread is created by someone who does not watch anime it always devolves into the topics discussed by the most cancerous boards on Yea Forums?

How is it cultural imperialism or related to western supremacy when the mythology he borrowed from was western mythology?

its all relative , are the British European or not?
it depends on their mood.

Making a lot of money off model kits != being the best selling anime

why not?

because when you polish a wheel you aren't suddenly the creator of the wheel because it's convenient for the narrative that you're the greatest wheel inventor. stories others make in different regions aren't british and aren't his to retool and then have it be decided he actually invented it.

just because you decide somebody is in your 'group' doesn't mean when you borrow their stuff its yours to claim.

Its probably not as tiring to them when they have grown up with stuff like Kitaro which is exclusively about nip folklore

>Japanese Asian fantasy

InuYasha? Basilisk? Ninja Scroll?

>Chinese fantasy themes

Hero Tales? Fushigi Yuugi?

Care to explain why only one arbitrarily chosen form of merch sales count?

>do americans really eat ?

Yes, peasant.

you got naruto... weird ninja fantasy shit.

>its basically like eating sugar.
which i've done

kishimoto originally wanted to do a western fantasy manga actually.

Yuzu is cute!

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>are the British European or not?
They are.

>borrowed germanic mythology
>muh cultural supremacy

>with battles 3x the scale of largest battles in Europe at the time.

Europe has been the unbroken master of strategy and tactics since since the age of hero's ended in ancient Greece and the advent of the phalanx dominated most of the developed world.

Almost all of Japan's Korea's and China's pre industrial battles are massive blob fights where the one guy holds back troops enough to outlast his opponent wins. The Spanish and Portuguese proves their inadequacy a thousand times over wiping the floor with their "strategists" and commanders multiple as if they were fighting children.

It took two World Wars and the advent of nuclear MAD to bring down Europe and finally slow the march of its nations.

>>Hurr DURR Mongols - Ignoring Hungarians wiped their invasion out and they broke like wave on a beach against the Polish.

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Maybe you should read Kingdom before spouting these lies.

Modern Whites get a slanted view of their own history and how bad it was due to the enlightenment sniffing their own arses. This is how we get silly shit like ignorant yanks thinking a man in plate is a walking tank who can barely move and people did not wash ever - I remember watching a show as a kid that blamed the black plague on lack of bathing for example. Or even worse cited testimonies and writings condemning the Spartans for their refusing to bugger their boy charges like the Athenians were want to, being ignored because 18th century enlightened thinkers wanted to believe Ancient Greece was a unified, pro intellectual haven for thinkers such as they strived to paint themselves. Ergo all Ancient Greeks were boy lovers because all ancient Greeks were thebans or upper class Athenians....lets ignore the multiple wars between Athens and Syracuse because the Athenians insinuated once the Syracuse were messed up in the head for being anti pedophiles...

No two people, kingdoms, empires, fiefdoms were a like. You cannot insist 16th century Madrid Spain, at the height of their economic and military might, was anything like say Prague, or Dusseldorf.

A lot of iconic japanese titles, like Dragon Quest and FF, was inspired by D&D.
Also, because of things like shinto japanese fantasy is not so "fantastic". It just part of their culture. So it don't feel exotic enough.

Maybe you should read up on the Coast Watchers of Australia who BTFO the Japanese for 2 whole years because the japs could not fathom the tactics used against them as late as WW2.

>inb4 muh honour

Every single major leap forward in military Strategy, Tactics, and Logistics going back 2500 years came out of Europe. Even the Art of War the so called holy book of asian military expertise was considered common knowledge in Europe and was not considered necessary to be written down - simply something commanders taught to up and coming officers and nobles out of habit.

>Is the AoW a good collection of basic war ideologies?

Yes. It i why it is taught as a starting point in most western officer schools.

>Is the same book or any other major work fromt he east considered on par with the likes of Barbarossa, von Clausewitz or napoleon or Monash?

Absolutely not. The battle of Amiens in WW1 is the birth of all modern military battle tactics.

>muh lies - 0 counter

Fuckign weaboos man.

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It was a jest since the Kingdom battles are retarded in terms of realism.

Giant Crab monsters is actual Japanese history user

>realism

>The battle of Amiens in WW1 is the birth of all modern military battle tactics.
Why did Liddell Hart describe Sherman as the first modern general?

>its all relative
>are the British European or not
There is nothing relative about that statement and its obvious answer. British people descend from native tribes of the European continental land and the natives of the British isles. They are a part of the Western European cultural group and the British isles are part of Europe. There is no second opinion to be had.

>British people descend from native tribes of the European continental land
so do most Americans.

We're talking about Medival Europe (480 to 1200s). concept of nationalism didn't exist then. it was all manorial lords and which higher noble they pay tax to

>In the Frontier Thesis, the American frontier established liberty by releasing Americans from European mindsets and eroding old, dysfunctional customs. The frontier had no need for standing armies, established churches, aristocrats or nobles. There was no landed gentry who controlled most of the land and charged heavy rents and fees. Frontier land was practically free for the taking.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Thesis

There's broadly two subcategories of fantasy, in both Western and Asian styles: embellished historical and other world (not to be mistaken for isekai, though it sometimes overlaps). Embellished historical takes place somewhere on Earth, occasionally in a fictional nation but with real world nations shown or mentioned. In the West, that generally involves knights and wizards to varying degrees. In Asia, it's mostly martial arts and ki rather than magic, though magic does sometimes feature in the form of tao or onmyoudo.

Then there's other world fantasy; it's set in a world that's either explicitly not earth or is generically earth-like but with no identifiable real world nation/setting. When the Japanese do other world fantasy, it seems like they either want to go all the way exotic if it's not earth and thus use a pseudo-European setting, or the only other world fantasy stories they've ever seen are from the West or directly inspired by, so that's the way they figure they're supposed to be. There are exceptions, but even those tend to be more a pseudo-Chinese setting rather than pseudo-Japanese, so I'm more inclined to say it's the exoticism driving it.

Last I checked the US is not in Europe.

Ahri?

Most Americans are descended from Britons. Even if they have a couple of Polish, German, or Italian ancestors form the last 4 or 5 generations, they're mostly British. One tell is the surnames.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_common_surnames_in_North_America
Outside of a few Hispanic outliers, and even with mass Latino migration, the most common surnames are English derived.
Even with a lot of German immigration, White Americans are more broadly British, ethnically, but also culturally, because most European immigrants assimilated very quick.

the British always strike me as being culturally distinct from the rest of Europe.

Any more than Denmark and Italy?

>people did not wash ever
Meanwhile soap is a very old invention basically consisting of: water, ash(alkali) and oil.
So soap has been around from whenever those ingredients were available until now. Long.
Also if we're talking about Medieval times it's that time when science was not right there and people still believed in "Miasma" so smelling bad was something people surely avoided.
Yea it's ridiculous. I suppose it's just another one of those "truths" you get told as a kid and stick with you until you actually go and find out about it yourself.

I don't know why you're writing all of this when it has nothing to do with the topic?

>"Miasma" so smelling bad was something people surely avoided.
London literally had sewage that would run through the streets.

No more so than any other given European nation.

Everyone is a John:
youtube.com/watch?v=5O2Yjn3OXRk

>hasn't seen/heard of literally the best isekai series of all time
>dripping with ancient Chinese iconography and symbolism
newfag detected. Do some research OP

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It's not that people did not wash ever, because that's certainly untrue. But proper full-body bathing frequently? That was rare.

And people were probably not washing or bathing themselves in the sewage. Actually a sewage in the first place points to that some people are better smelling. What was your point again?
Anyway I might as well mention that the soap making process was a smelly business too as they used animal fats for low quality soaps, so the buildings/factories for this was kept downwind away from town as to avoid the smell.

There are plenty of Asian Folkloric Manga and Books in Japan. Lurk more and do your fucking research. It's just that surprise surprise, most of the series that becomes known in the west are the ones that adapt a seemingly western view on fantasy. A lot of the former just remains untranslated or obscure in the west because western media largely does not give a shit about things not familiar to them.

And admittedly, a lot of the modern Japanese are a bunch of fucking westaboos. So works that highlight their fascination with western history and culture tend to be more popular.

You didn't watch Saber Marionette?

Manga and books that don't tend to get adapted into anime, which is more the point of the question.

>What was your point again?
there was no way to avoid the bad smells there,
bathing would have been pointless if that was the aim.

Yeah, that's true. That would probably be very dependent on if there's a water source nearby.

I guess it was hard to avoid the smell in that city, haven't looked into it but make sense for now. I still believe people would wash themselves and not be thinking of it as "pointless".
There's also the thing called "the great stink" that happened in London and I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to. Happened after medieval times though and prompted a new sewer system.

If by fantasy, you mean based in Cultural Epics and Myths, then it'd be a little difficult to make stories based on them because Asian Epics get really fucking retarded. It's basically the the Absurdities of the Greek Epics and Mythologies, but with the retardation cranked up a hundred times. You have stuff like the Mahabharata, Journey to the West and the Handful Deity Myths in Japan. And a bulk of people there are at least Planet Buster-tier People clad in literal Plot Armor and armed with Asspull Arrows. And not to mention the inconsistencies within the world building of those stories too. So it'd be difficult to write stories around those without taking a lot of liberties to make things sensible.

If you want to take things down a notch and just focus on local folktales, then there isn't a shortage of works set in those.

If in very broad strokes, if the definition of "Western Fantasy" is vaguely Medieval era with Dragons and shit, then "Eastern Fantasy" could similarly be fined as vaguely Muromachi era with Yokais and shit. And as many have already stated, there is no shortage of works like the latter.

>I still believe people would wash themselves and not be thinking of it as "pointless".
Of course. But they wouldn't be washing themselves as frequently or as thoroughly as we now see as being necessary.

>retarded wish fulfillment for 0-hope otaku salarymen
Great example of Asian fantasy, user!

Not even nips like their culture

If you want nip folklore/mythology so much, just play 2hu

This, it's disgusting, a proper sandwich has a slice of toast in between two slices of bread, delicious and nutritious.

or okami, even muramasa.

YOU DARE
YOU ARE COURTING DEATH
YOU HAVE EYES BUT YOU CANT SEE MT TAI?

>Old Bay

Can confirm, you can throw that shit on anything.

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Nigga what the fuck kind of crack are you smoking
Asian fantasy is the most common trope in anime, you just don't see it outside of Japan because most anime is schlock, especially the asian inspired ones.

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>Lurk moar.
Use your own advise newfag.

Looks cute. Not that guy but thanks for bringing this to my attention. Apparently it's also a 4 coma LN, whatever that means.

>Apparently it's also a 4 coma LN, whatever that means.
Every 'story' is finished in 4 pages.

So badass.

It's extremely cute, though 99% of it does not take place in America and the girls are arguably manipulative whores.

this this this

one of my favorite anime, highly suggest you watch OP

That's novel.

>99% of it does not take place in America
Shame, I'll give it a watch anyway though.

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Modern Asian fantasy par excellence

For me, it's Jules Verne.

...

>>China: Martial Arts and Supernatural
youtube.com/watch?v=8CtY3x0J83o

Faggot European armies got fucked by Muslims countless times. Europe only became dominant after industrial revolution.

Because then, they would require approval from Zun, because they would making an official Touhou adaptation.

Dude 90% of it is just fucking Dragon Quest.

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Because foreign things are more exotic. It's like how American weeaboos love samurai and katanas so much.

In a perfect world we would have a dozen Touhou anime about different characters.

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>unbroken master of strategy and tactic
wut? what about hannibal? or shahrbaraz? or saladin?

read more stuff. There is a shit-ton of fantasy works set in medieval japan. Just this season there are currently airing two.
If you are talking specifically about fantasy stuff with rpg mechanics, that's because of Dragon Quest.

There needs to be more shows of the fox genre.

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