Why so many manga used the "pose behind the opponent after cutting him" trope? How did it start...

>doesn't even get to dee the cool slash itself
>fun

Is your problem with the pose or with the fact that they go past the opponent? I'm not really clear on which part you're taking issue with. I assume it comes from old chanbara movies like said, which based their fight choreography off kendo since that's what the actors and directors were familiar with and practiced in highschool. In kendo when you cut do you're typically taught to cut through your opponent and move past him so his window to retaliate is kept as short as possible. If you just stand in front of the guy after cutting him you can get hit back. Pretty sure that's where it comes from.

youtu.be/jm_iA-j3MAA?t=101

>Why so many manga used the "pose behind the opponent after cutting him" trope?
In addition to the connection to older movies, it's also used as a way to convey the speed of the attacker in that they passed their opponent, gave them a grevious wound, and then in a lot of cases sheathed their sword before their opponent can react.

It's an action cliche at this point but yes, it's cool when done well just like anything else.

>Is your problem with the pose or with the fact that they go past the opponent?

Alittle bit of both, sometimes the pose is something as ridiculous as holding the sword while still in the scabbard, sometimes the positioning is not a semi-siagonal, but a full back to back that makes even less sense

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the right one is hayai

>imagine being unable to recognize this
This board must really be full of brainlets.

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Not OP, but this looks a little bit weird. I did fencing for quite a few years, it is a completely different sport, but still, it is sword fighting, most of these moves seems more choreographed or ritualistic than rooted in pratical sword fighting, walking past you opponent so you are less likely to get a counter makes no sense, you can't possibly walk faster than he can move his arm, and your back is turned to him as well. We have a similar move in fencing called flèche, but is much more of a quick short dash than that

It is cool, you're a faggot.
Fuck you, retard.
Stop breathing my air you piece of fucking garbage.

Kinda unrelated but I think finisher moves in Kamen rider Faiz were really fucking cool.

Everyone knows it's stupid but no one cares because it's badass

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when normals find out that real sword fighting isn't actually cool flashy shit and katanas aren't actually super swords than can cut through stone they get pretty angry, dont they?

jesus christ so many butthurt fags in this thread

We all know that anime fights are rule of cool what are you talking about?

If you've never done kendo I can see how it might not make much sense to you, so you'll just have to trust me that it's a different weapon and it works in its context. The example video IS choregraphed in the sense they're practicing a specific situation repeatedly. Just to be clear, in kendo you don't always run past the other guy after striking. It's only in specific situations. I've done traditional western fencing too in addition to kendo, and a few HEMA weapons like rapier, longsword, and messer on top of that. They're all pretty radically different so I wouldn't say "it is sword fighting" and try to apply the principles of one to another. A shinai is a completely different tool from a foil or saber. Kendo is ritualised and has its rules but there's nothing choreographed about winning matches, which is the focus of the sport, and I'm convinced even though it's suffered from heavy sportification just like western oly fencing it's still an extremely effective fighting art.

I've seen similar movements in longsword as well, I think it's probably particular to larger two handed weapons. I wouldn't try it with a rapier, foil, or saber which are more suited to lunge and recover styles.

If you want to talk about unrealistic things that wouldn't work in a "real" sword fight, the 3 olympic weapons have way more of that than kendo. If you're really interested see if you have a kendo club near you and direct your questions at them, they should be happy to help you. Some of the guys there probably have fencing experience too and can help explain it to you from that perspective. In my experience there's not much point in discussing martial arts online, you just have to try it and see. Still, hope some of what I wrote helped.

They don't wanna get blood on themselves.

The best part is when the blood starts spurting/thing gets halved when the MC sheathes his sword.

Jesus Christ, you're 57?

...what was your first anime?

god I hate that

What's so wrong about that? The timing is to indicate that the poor schmuck wasn't able to save himself.

In my Kendo club, they explained the running through as coming from the battle field. Like "That hit killed the opponent, time for the next guy."

left looks flat and boring, no dynamic look.

That makes no sense, it just something people throw arround to make the students think they are training to be super duopr samurai warriors.

>Exaggeration is an effect especially useful for animation, as animated motions that strive for a perfect imitation of reality can look static and dull. The level of exaggeration depends on whether one seeks realism or a particular style, like a caricature or the style of a specific artist. The classical definition of exaggeration, employed by Disney, was to remain true to reality, just presenting it in a wilder, more extreme form. Other forms of exaggeration can involve the supernatural or surreal, alterations in the physical features of a character; or elements in the storyline itself. It is important to employ a certain level of restraint when using exaggeration. If a scene contains several elements, there should be a balance in how those elements are exaggerated in relation to each other, to avoid confusing or overawing the viewer.

Don't break your hip you old fuck.

Why doesn't that make sense? You just struck a killing blow, would you stick around to watch the corpse while a war is going on around you?

Becuase you are not a protagonist going against a bunch on nameless goons who will drop like flies with one swing of your magic sword, as you dash trough them, not being careful with your distance and measuring reach will only get you killed. Plus kendo is 300 years away from the time when people fought with sword in wars, the idea of a duel still remain, but anyone who tell you about how those techniques can be used in a battlefield is just bullshitting to sound cool.

Fuck off weeb

Last I checked, splitting open someone's skull will make someone drop like a fly with one swing.

The 12 principles apply to all animation.

Also sword fights, especially if you're not wearing like full plate armor or chainmail or something, aren't going to be some long drawn out fights like in anime. One good hit will kill or maim the other person to the point of not being able to do anything anymore.
That's what the running through is supposed to symbolized. You're showing you're convinced the hit was clean and deadly to the referee to get a point.

Not like everyone against you will stand still waiting for that to happen

I like both

>It looks retarded because I say so and no other reason never mind literally everyone else that actually believes it looks good

shit thread for babies

imagination

OK /a what trope do you prefer?

>Hero poses behind enemy, after the two pass each other with a slash of the word

>Close up of hero and villians face, not knowing who dealt the finished blow, until one of them collapses

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>Plus kendo is 300 years away from the time when people fought with sword in wars
This is objectively false and you know it. Stop.

>villain and hero both do slash where they go behind each other
>see both fall down
this makes me hard

Definitely the second one,the moment of tension between the blow and the fall is always sublime.

>>villain and hero both do slash where they go behind each other
>They both missed
I dont remember what comedy anime i saw this (maybe gintama?) but it was hilarious

What other sword tropes do you like? I like when the tip is the focus.

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Hello grandpa

>Mihawk cutting the ship in half
I came that time.

Iai techniques

[kat williams voice]nigga you ain't ever swung a bat?

OP the mighty faggot doesn't...

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If anyone is interested this is the first example I could find of the 'single cut followed by huge fountain of blood' scenario. Sanjuro, great movie.

Apparently it was due to a special effects mistake. There wasn't supposed to be nearly that amount of blood. But the reactions from the actors was of genuine surprise because no one expected that much so the director liked the take enough to keep it.

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ahahaha pure autism
Watch some documentaries if you want realistic content. Maybe pick up an encyclopedia too

>I think
BZZZZZZT

wrong

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wait, war with sord is more recent than that?

>he did it like manga

but yah you're right

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Did you really keep your left to right sense after years of reading mango?

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Probably the original Dororo.

Sword suddenly super close and barely evade.

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Is the "tons of sword stuck from the ground" based on some folklore? It's pretty common.

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Autistically impractical guards.

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i wouldnt have a problem with this if the person turned around to make sure his opponent was defeated after delivering the killing strike.
otherwise it just looks like the equivalent of not looking at explosions as you walk away. it's may have been cool once but now it's cheesy

I've seen it in some sengoku dramas, the idea is that in an actual battle, swords break, a lot. When you were holding a barricade or something you'd need a lot of backup weapons. Probably you'd just grab the swords off of whoever you killed and line them up like that.

japan sand steel and sword making was pretty crappy with their sword design or metalworking tech, so their choppy sticks would break. alot.
So they would just get a bucket of em or line em up like that.
Also it's cool, liek a forest or graveyard, so every artist adn their mother decided to steal the idea. Swords are romantic.

Oh found something.

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Eh, it does make sense if both sides are on the attack you can't just run straight into the enemy like a retard, you gotta dodge while hitting which result on the right image, so both make scenarios sense.

All day f Saint Seiya fights were like that. It's the Asian equivalent of a Western Cowboy Gunfight.

>you gotta dodge while hitting

Most sword fighting involves parry far far more than dodge

If you are charging against an opponent going in a straight line is the most stupid thing you could do, is hit and dodge, and assuming the other one is also charging at you then the end result will be as seen on the right image.