Kengan Omega ch.22

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Kazzy should've probably done so, that seems like something that could heavily backfire.

Nope.

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oh snap!

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a double!

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here's a face we know and love!

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Can't believe our boy didn't job

>image while dumping
listen here you fucking shit

not!sen > sen

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That's a page from the chapter retard, its part of the dump

dummy

user...

have sex

Ramenman?

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Nitopun

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>I used to be a Fighter before I took a Sen to the knee.

Sandrovich dumpstering foresight in a single chapter

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oops

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gain height

Thank god they finally clarified this. It feels like these first pages were created purely because of the discussion it caused in the last chapter, they feel a little out of place.

damn, stylin on him

Trying to hard here, mr the real fucking Nitoku.

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Eh. Same deal as a lot of the fighter tricks. It'd work ONCE. Sometimes once is enough!

Kill yourself you retarded nigger

Is that ironic?

he will end up in Purgatory, doesnt he?

HUZZAAAHH!
[cave story music intensifies]

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In much the same way as raaaaain on your wedding day is.

It fits though, because of Ryuki
He was surprised to learn he can't kill people in his first fight. He's probably looking for a loophole so he can kill worm fucks at will

I like how in this fight Kazzy and Koga have the same reactions.

>teaching koga how to deal with feints
he grows stronger

Here comes Elon Trump feat. Kazama from Tekken.

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So Nitoku is going to be murdered by a guy from Purgatory?

I wonder if that's the one Purgatory fighter who bothered to show up, or a bodyguard and the fighter is going to get a big dramatic entrance next chapter.

In awe at the size of that lad.

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>all those people who said our boy Toku2 would job completely ignoring the fact Ghost also had a strong jobbing aura

Is the sunglasses guy another purgatory fighter?

Bladder control increased to 100

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Probably the guy he was in the plane with, yeah.

Is the artist playing with perspectives here? The tycoon never looked to be 3m tall before

>6ft man walks past 5'8" men

It's probably just the impression he gives off, that he's larger than life.

Fun chapter, fun week, expecting next week to be even better!

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Truly an incredibly competent individual

kazzy about to end this nigger's whole career

Based kazzy

Good ol' Adam being able to read the situation

>I've come here to fight you, Yamashita "dragon's eye" kazuo

>I didn't know you were a famous in Purgatory
Typo.

>Adam being the only one to notice something is up
Magnificent.

Inb4, he asks to have a "demo match" with Nitoku vs the fighter he bough, and it will mop the floor with Nitoku is 2 pages.

No way he'd just randomly ask Nitoku to do another match after being worn out from the scheduled one. At best Koga might get a fight through some contrived reasoning.

He'd probably just throw Cosmo into the match instead. Maybe Adam.

It's time again. Round 1 cont.

Round 1 - Match 9
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Round 1 - Match 10
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Round 1 - Match 11
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Round 1 - Match 12
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Yeah those are alright too, Adam probably more likely as we haven't' see him show off yet.

Who do you think Purgatory's mistery fighter is? I'm guessing Agito or the Beard.

>not Adam

We got some hints at what Adam's new style is from his training so I expect him to have some showing. Not that I expect him to beat the Purgatory A class if they fought but I'd expect a much more interesting match than Nitoku had.

If it somehow IS the beard, then the KA is fucked.

Probably some new guy, having the ONLY GUY to show up be someone we've seen before seems a bit contrived when this is a prime opportunity to show off a new character.

Its all right, they got Koga
:P

what if kazzy ends up taking a lethal blow to protect his fighter? i'm worried brehs....

>Come over to play.

Little does he know that Yamashita "The Dragons Eye" Kazuo doesn´t play.

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Are you assuming that kazzy wouldn't be able to disarm every fighter in the arena?

Zombie Ohma

>Koga shouts faster than Kazzy thinks
Ultimate Kengan. Kengan to end all Kengan. Kengan Omega, if I may be so bold.

>Beard joins Purgatory.
>He also convinces Rihito to join Kengan for it.
>Its his final test.

What? Sandrovich isn't going to kill two of his actual main characters

Isn't it this guy? He didn't have many attendants on the chopper. In fact it was just him and the fighter.

Poor sad Mumon

I still really hope one of the Purgatory fighters will be Pankration guy’s master. He jobbed far too quickly for someone with an interesting gimmick.

Damn, someone has a lot of faith in Kaneda.

Could be, but he gives a bodyguard vibe so I thought he was a staff member of the goat man

>not!sen > sen
Bullshit. Sen fought an awakened Kanoh who has faced both the fourth Fang and Gaolang, while Nitoku faced Kanoh who was still a way from his top form. Moreover, Nitoku went into 6 month rehab, while Sen was already getting Shion blowjobs that same eveing.

I have to disagree. He's wearing a tuxedo, usually bodyguards wear a suit and tie.

>H O W E V E R

Serious Series Sen will wipe the floor with everyone you guys just watch and see

>muh log flipping technique
Admit it. Sen is a jobber

Well, certainly not everyone seeing how Ryuuki, Koga and Purgatory are being built up, but seeing how Kazzy sends his best people to search for him, he's bound to be better than before.

he'll be the guy to win it all for the Kengang and beat the strongest purgatory guy

dumb spic dbzfag

I thought Toku² would lose to showcase the strength of Purgatory fighters, but I guess Toku² looks like a really good candidate for the Kengan side now.

I tried.

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Lose fat

Beard would be even older now, he might well be weaker than in Omega

How should we understand the ghost gibberish? Hissing or just muttering to himself?

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

what would Beard do? Easily see through it?

Hasn't it only been 2 years?

He'll probably be one of Kengan's 13 fighters. There's most likely going to be a bunch of new fighters on the Kengan side.

Stand still while those young boys head straight to his fist

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!
Think we will get any more of this guy? I'm really surprised that he lost, I'd like to know at least why he is the way he is

Hey, why is only Adam the natural born Japanese noticing Kazzy's confusion?
I thought Cosmo was the genius

So I think this will be a collaboration win between ryuki and koga.
Koga won't beat the strongest guy, but thanks to his foresight he'll be able to give him one debiitating injury and to uncover how to beat his technique, which will lead to ryuki beating him.

Or ryuki seriously injures the main opponent, Koga has an easy ride and gets to fight an injured opponent, and thanks to his foresight disable his secret technique and win.

Or it's someone else to beat the strongest purgatory enemy, but ryuki and koga collab is what makes it possible by wearing him down and revealing his techniques.

Worm is involved in all this somehow.

The crazy Agito. The only man that could stop him was Beard man.

>Adam the natural born Japanese
www

"muh snakes" or *muh snakes muthafucka*

he was alreay in his fifties though

it's been only two years

Ryo clearly asked Ryuki why he wanted to kill Kokuro, when Koga and Kaede were there.

Kazzy about to rip the hands of mr goat eyes for touching his divine shoulders.

I don't think those 2 years mean anything to someone of his caliber. The older masters of some of the fighters seem plenty strong and they're like 70+ years old.

He'll either do a Himuro where he spends the rest of the manga in a cast or he'll recover by the tournament and maybe have another fight. He doesn't seem like the type to be picked for the tournament though, he doesn't seem particularly loyal to the organisation he fights for and there's no guaranteeing he wouldn't throw the fight for Purgatory.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

So I guess snake boy messed up by using that technique very early in the match giving nitoku time to figure it out. Then when he really needed the ghosting to work, nitoku already figured him out and clinched an easy win.

Yes, and? If you are a martial artist of any worth, you only get better as you age.

Yeah he was in his 50s, then he decided to restart his training.
He's clearly no normal man.

>Koga
>swallowing his pride and helpin Ryuki without having the chance to fight on par with him
He made it clear he's not returning any favours

>Not!Sen defeating Not!Agito in a fight that included breaking losing Fighter's fingers
Amusing.

Any of the user that voted for Kaneda that want to explain how they think he would win?

>Kazzy starting to get in over his head again

Love it

hows omega hold up to ashura?

It's still early, setting up the story and fighters etc, but so far it's really enjoyable.

i'd say they are on par, considering the bias for Ashura that set the baseline

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

Proper sequel so far, the buildup towards the big tournament is a bit different, and the MC is in a different, much weaker spot compared to Ohma.
Too early to judge overall

Can anyone explain what hard kung-fu (partial training) is? I had assumed 'hard' or 'soft' would refer to stuff like how Cosmo is a 'soft' grappler while Nitoku is a 'hard' grappler, but if hard kung-fu means 'partial training', I don't get it at all.

Jesus, Agito looks like a fucking Primarch here. How tall is Metsudo, 5 feet?

Omega is basically just an extension of Ashura's later style and tone with more training thrown in for good measure.

It only applies to people who actively go out to take his opponent. Beard might see the phantom, but wouldnt move anyways, since his style was more of "come to me an ill fuck you up" type, iirc

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

HOWEVER

It might work once. Even if he's not making big reactions he does move in order to block and parry. But it worked on Nitoku once too, so it probably wouldn't help him much against someone of beard's calibre.

>a famous
A celebrity?

Is no one going to mention him doing the *pushes up glasses* to nothing?

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I disagree. The technique would work ONCE against a Foresight user who has never seen it. Our boy Beard probably has like ten counters for it.

thanks user if you're still here

That probably means the training is focused on one part of the body rather than the entirity, thus partial

Kazzy's back looks strangely long in this page.

Not that he would help him voluntarily.
But if during the fight Koga learns the way to beat one guy's techniques others can learn from him.

you may.

No you don't. I know this is a manga and plays very loose with reality, but no, past 30 your boy gets constantly worse and there's only so far that you can go with experience.

>Not that I expect him to beat the Purgatory A class
Honestly i wouldn't be surprised. Adam was a lot like Rihito, insane physical specs and potential with zero training or guidance, and he just spent 2 years with a master who was also the perfect teacher for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he was genuinely a very high tier fighter now.

Will we see/hear more from Bishamon?

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Haha, and here I was wondering what that gesture meant. Nice catch, Nitoku's a dork.

I don't think it's fair to Nitoku to say it won't work on Beard just because it worked on him. As Nitoku says, to someone of a certain skill level, this is the sort of thing that only works once. After they know their opponent is trying to trick their sense of foresight, they'll be able to prepare for it.

Of course, if someone's reaction time is quick enough, even if they fall for the "ghost" trick, they can still adjust to account for it. If their reaction time is quick enough to compensate for the delay, I mean.

ngmi with that atitude, user

Get big.

That's what I meant, yeah. I mean he didn't manage to finish the match with his one success against Nitoku, so one success against Beard isn't likely to go any better for him.

Good observation. Wonder if that means Nitoku wears glasses outside of Kengan Matches. Since it seems he's using these fights to "gather material", I'm assuming he's a writer, so the glasses would fit with that image.

He was supposed to be the one fighting Kokuro, after all.

I'm sure Toyoda's secretary is hot, but Nogi's has him beat.

Close. He's 5'3".
Alito is like 6'7".

Remember what Takiyama said about Okubo? He was lucky that he his fight wasn't much closer, because otherwise Agito might have not stopped himself.
Martial Arts Agito outclassed Sen enough to be able to go easy on finishing blow. At the time of their fight, Nitoku and Agito were at level so close to each other, Agito sent him to rehab.

>Alito
I mean Agito, fuck.

More of the same pretty much
Guess how much you enjoy it depends on how much you like the new characters

That's nowhere near what's depicted in the image. Agito looks legit 10 feet tall.

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Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

There seems to be a relation between the Kazuos and the Narushimas

But Agito who fought against Sen was a lot stronger. Probably even Agito who fought against Okubo.
And Gaolang gave Agito the hardest fight of his life and survived. So that's not a good metric.

As of now, going by chapter 19, it seems like Adam could have gotten to the point where he can throw a full-power blow from any position. Kinda like how Rihito grew to be able to use his Razor's Edge from a stationary position instead of needing a swiping motion to ready it up. However, if that was all, he'd just end up like Rihito who only powered up in strength without any technique. So Adam's probably been taught a style that'll help him leverage his ability to strike from strange angles by Kureishi.

*sorry yamashitas

Nitoku was suspecting Ghost's fighting style from the beginning, so he likely knew what could be used, but after he missed the punch, he was sure.

>Kazuos
Kazuo is a first name. His last name is Yamashita, user.

I thought it had promise at the beginning, but it's garbage.

Fuck you doing here then

What a coincidence, I fucked up my knee yesterday.
Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

We also saw Kureishi teach him grappling. More then likely, Kuroishi taught him:
-proper striking technique and form, whereas he used to be a simple brawler, supplemented by his absolute freak power and ability to throw haymakers from absurd positions
-grappling, at the very least enough to stand a chance against super-high level guys (he's been sparring with Kureishi and Cosmo for 2 years)
-discipline which he SORELY lacked, as seen by the way he refers to Kuerishi as ''master''
In all likelihood, Adam is a well-rounded monster by now. Chances are he'd have made it pretty far in the tournament.

Also, it's unlikely to work that well against Kaneda, who gathers information in advance, and then is able to predict several moves ahead.
Though taking hits would be much more risky.

Fang's 201cm (about 6ft 7).
Agito is 9 and a bit (looks to be 1/8th) heads high, that makes his heads about 22cm each.
Metsudo is 5 and 3/4 Agito heads high, this would make him 126.5cm (about 4ft 2 inches).

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Hoping it gets better.

Yes, it's implying they both have the skill to notice it despite not being "masters of foresight", which Nitoku says is needed to be able to see these afterimages. This is pretty much just meant to continue to reinforce the fact that Koga's eyes are pretty good, even though, skill-wise, he shouldn't be able to see these sort of things yet.

To be frank, I am one of the people who hardest argue that Sen COULD beat Agito if not for Omori reigning autism in.

Metsudo is faaaaar back

>So Adam's probably been taught a style that'll help him leverage his ability to strike from strange angles by Kureishi.
Capoeira?

baka

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

Their top fighter was one shot by Rei, I don't think we will.

>Agito is 9 and a bit (looks to be 1/8th) heads high
Literally above divine proportions. God of Auitsm confirmed.

I think he's tapping his forehead since he's talking of foresight
Maybe not his forehead but his probervial "third eye" but he seriously looks chuuni anyway

Does Gaoh have the largest build we've seen so far, after Julius?

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We saw Adam throwing kicks as well. So with that and him knocking out that fodder with a stomp in his introduction, he might have learned to throw devastating kicks as well. People do say that people's legs are stronger than their arms, after all, so Adam's kicks may be even more dangerous than his punches are.

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Wait, when was this?

He's not tapping his forehead, though. His fingers are only reaching up to where the top of his nose would be (and where the glasses would be resting if they were there).

Based.
So going by that, Metsudo is about 6/10 of Agito's height. So if Metsudo is 160 cm (5 ft 3), that would make Agito in this image about 260-270 cm (8 ft 5 - 8 ft 8). Jesus.

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>the snake is jumping panels

I, too, blocked off all memories of Mocky losing to Rei in one shot.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kureishi made him work on his grip strength and grabbing in general, I don't think there are many fighters that could come back after being successfully grabbed by Adam.

I think 'largest fighter' goes to Haruo.

Nezu was the champion of Bishamon. He was recruited from there with the promise of being able to work as a Distey Land mascot.

Might be, yeah

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

He probably would have. R1 or 2 Agito would have gotten a limb broken before he got serious, and he would have been fucked.

>Nezu
Oh god, oh no. Completely forgot

He'd probably tie with Jun for 2nd in the pure muscle category.

He's learned a lot

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That makes sense.

Haruo's build completely depends on his fat though. His actual frame isn't that big, compared to Julius or Gaoh. Imagine those two being that fat, they'd be absolute mammoths

I'd say even after Gaolang, Agito could lose to Peak Condition Sen. But Omori prevented that.

I don't think Julius's heart could take all that fat with all the roids he's taking

Yeah, i'm sure they are. Honestly, Adam seems like a nightmare to deal with right now. He'd be pretty tough with just an orthodox style, and then all of a sudden he's throwing insanely powerful strikes from your blind spots.

Yeah, he really got that best perk where a basic body attribute is hyper developed so just learning technique gives insane returns. Same as Waka and Rihito.

>His actual frame isn't that big
Haruo is 1 whole foot taller than Julius

This is definitely Falcon. The hair, the glasses, even slightly pointy nose makes his head remind that of a bird.

>my knee hurts
>its hot in here
>ect ect ect

People that have read Fist of the Seeker, how strong is Kureishi anyway? Or is it not clear?

Before he got fat he was a lanklet though, he didn't have the width to him that other fighters have.

Probably even worse after Gaolang, since he was distressed. Someone like Sen would feed off that.
Though Gaolang himself was screwed. Rereading that fight and ignoring that Agito withstood a hundred blows from the best striker in the world, no way would he have been able to catch Gao with that feint counter that changed the fight. He would have to allow his arm to go limp and then throw a blow fast enough to outpace and completely surprise Gaolang who struck first. No way was that possible. But oh well.

I meant that more as in width, there's a clear difference in bone structure

Based Toku*Toku wiping the floor with Ghost both physically and mentally. I hope to see more of him in the future.

>22cm head
No wonder he has autism.

On that note, is there a fully translated Fist of the Seeker somewhere?

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That Edward Wu fella is quite a unit himself.

Not really. He was still 350lbs when he was fit, hardly a lanklet. And since he's 8 feet tall his frame is probably bigger, or wider. Although going by sheer muscle mass and size Julius obviously takes the cake.

The whole *pushes up glasses* while going "however" thing is such a prominent and used trope that there is absolutely no way this isn't a joke on it

Most of the new fighters have been pretty based so far. I'm still hoping Kokuro makes a return in some way.

>son of a bitch
What is the ref's problem here? Because he shouldn't be this mad over a broken knee.

Adam however notices that this whole situation is completely fucked.

Kureishi was pretty strong back then, but he also had sadistic streak and actual boners while fighting. I would have to reread it in the raw to look at his fights to really judge him.
I wish. Not even whole tournament is translated.
Raws here.
gudounokobushi.web.fc2.com/index.html

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>the ref's problem
That was Momun

>ref
That's ghost, bro

Look at the hair and eyes, that's Ghost.

>kureishi literally hisoka

I don't know why I thought that was the bald ref.

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I dunno about Hisoka, but I do know about Kureishi.

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AAAAAA SO MANY NEW CHARACTERS

I’m having a hard time to remember all their names!!

Yeah, in terms of how 'strong' they are, Julius and Wakatsuki seem like they'd be way above Haruo. As big as Haruo is, his size and power are just one part of his overall strength. He's also surprisingly athletic; he was still leaping and flipping around the place in his fight against Akoya, and despite being even fatter now, I wouldn't be surprised if he could still do the same now. Imagine the body slams, people.

It'd be funny if we find out that Haruo actually specializes in 'aerial' attacks now.

Match 1: Kaneda can't really do that much damage to Seki regardless of his foresight. Seki - no injuries/minimal injuries

Match 2: Pretty Similar to match 1. Takeru is almost as durable as Seki is, and Chiba is over-confident. I could see this going where Takeru blitzes Chiba into a wall almost killing him. Takeru - no injuries/minimal injuries

Match 3: Sawada's kicks are a force to be reckoned with undoubtedly, but Raian is just too strong for him. Raian - minimal injuries/moderate injuries

Match 4: Waka is just too thicc for Ren to do all that much damage to him. This fight will go down as a smaller scale version of Ren vs Kuroki, Ren is slower this time and Waka isn't as great at defending as Kuroki. Waka - moderate injuries.

>That's a relief

Gaoh
is
The
CUTEST!!

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I'm still mad that he's still a fatass. Between the ''purging of the vices'', his freak genetics and Seki's insane training, how the fuck is he not shredded again>

I'm actually a little bit disappointed that we won't see prime Haruo without all the weight. Ironically he just gained more.

Bald ref retired. I think this is the strict one.

Thankfully for retards like you, authors show their name boxes every chapter or so.

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Ren is the Chinese guy that got rekt by Setsuna.

>It's another everyone thinks Yamashita is a bigger shot than he actually is page
I've missed this, also Toyoda is gigantic

Eat big, user.

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Aww, goddamn it. Then this fight is even more in Waka's favor.
Thank you for the correction.

And sometimes several times in the same one.

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I mean, he was visibly losing weight during his fight against Akoya. All that weight was useless fat that he built up doing nothing but playing games all day; the most exercise he got was from fighting in Kengan matches. But in Seki's training regime, the philosophy is literally just "eat big, get big". I can see it being unveiled that under all that fat is even more muscle than before, or him burning it off in the middle of particularly difficult matches to reveal all the muscles he's been building up.

I am a retard.

Match 4: Ren's kung-fu was tricky, but never particularly hard hitting. Setsuna wasn't particularly durable and he took a good few hits with little damage. Waka is just too strong. Waka - minimal injuries.

What the shouty hardhead man's name again?

>Kaneda v Seki
Real talk, even with Kaneda's foresight the main problem is that he physically tanks blows even if he predicts them and it's very rare that he completely dodged Gaolang's strikes which are some of the fastest in the tournament. With Seki who has incredibly strong punches and chops, as well as having some of the best defensive techniques in the bracket and also being a grappler Kaneda gets broken down pretty hard given his frailer constitution.

>Actor vs Sumo
Honestly going to give this to Sumo. While Chiba does know Aikidu as well as a myriad of other martial arts Takeru can take a beating and if he gets angry his tackle is probably non-buffed Rei-tier in speed for a short distance and it seriously hurt even Seki who braced for it. Plus Takeru's base strength is very high and his blows can flatten concrete. Chiba demonstrated that he doesn't have the experience to "pick" the right martial arts for a particular moment so he's probably going to make the same tactical error.

>Ballet vs Kure
Raian wins this

>Chinese streaker vs Superman
Ren lasts a bit going for hit and run tactics. But I don't think he can really dent Wakatsuki and even the Fa-Jin could be mitigated with enough flexing. Waka wins as soon as he can grab Ren or just land a normal punch.

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Idemitsu just fucked Yamashita, with how friendly he's acting with him naturally rumors and divisions will begin

Saw Paing

I am 90% sure Haruo's secret technique will be an enhanced version of him burning his fat instantly during his match with Akoya. So he's going to turn into Julius 2.0

I know you corrected yourself, but just commenting on this
>This fight will go down as a smaller scale version of Ren vs Kuroki
If you were thinking of Rei; do remember how Ohma powered up with his Advance against Seki. Rei's strikes alone should be rather powerful, but like how the added torque in Ohma's blows helped him hit Seki even harder, Rei's punches should similarly be much more powerful. Wakatsuki wouldn't be "too thick", and in any case, Saw Paing should be even harder to put down than Wakatsuki and Julius, and Julius has the added advantage over Wakatsuki of having a bigger build because of his bigger muscles that lets him take blows better.

Pfffff the running cloud sen

He still hasn't announced the tournament is on yet.

I hope it is. Like some sort of insane OP form that he can only maintain for so long, since the heightened metabolism takes such a toll on his body

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Mumon looks like a giant baby in this panel

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Falcon

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>since the heightened metabolism takes such a toll on his body
Was that ever stated to be the case? Rather than burning fat for energy, it seemed to me more like his body was removing what was useless just so that he could move better.

Could you repeat that?

>Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

Sad snek

I mean he has a full tank of fat to work with.
We might see stages of it
>First fight he slims down
>Second fight his muscles start to take form
>Final fight he goes all out and becomes the strongest Himilayian warrior

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Malnurished Agito < Not!Sen

The only danger to his body in this panel is Dr Death there.

Waka took a flying Knee from the Olympian to the skull without any damage. Murobuchi was supposedly the Fastest man on Earth outside of Rei.
Waka is just too heavily muscled, he and Julius slugged it out with strikes that would have killed most other fighters and neither of them took all that much damage (except Waka's face), He was so muscular that Muteba's stab that made it thru Seki's unflexed body didn't even manage to reach an artery that should have been close to the skin.
The only thing to take him out was either the Fang who is incredibly strong physically and fought against an apparently not particularly skilled at the time Waka, Sen who probably just used his strength against him, and Ohma who used his strength him.

There just isn't much of a way for Rei to hurt him. Saw Paing had a tough skeleton but his muscles and the like took as much damage as anyone else's, this is not the case for Waka.

Fuck i miss doc and nurse, i hope they come back in the background

>Oh god, oh no. Completely forgot
He won by being the only one getting a waifu, Rei got cucked

Omega has a slower pace than Ashura but the [Potential] is endless

Another user here. True, but Waka is one of the best fighters in the series. I'm confident he'd find a way to deal with Rei's speed, and although he's not as durable as Saw Paing and Julius, do remember that he didn't even feel Murobuchi's strikes.

>It's hot... I'm dying...
>Let's buy a cold drink
>A hot one came out!!!
>(red bean soup)
>That's so cliche!!!
>But red bean soup is delicious!!!
>One more!!!
>He couldn't win against his appetite
>When it's hot, a hot pot is a must!!!
i think hnk said they would tl these, but if u have omakes u are curious about and don't mind shit tl then feel free to post them
They will come back with Ohma

That's a long-ass way to say "feint".

>cucked
By his desire to master his craft?

Nah most japanese karate fighters that I met were heavily outclassed by the older ones in speed and power potential

I need more Fusui

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It'd be great if they were hired on as Kengan Emegency Medical Staff, but I'm not sure he'd leave his assassin job for that.

It's like a feint, but with less feinting.

air megane?!?!

It's way faster, it only feels slower because you aren't reading a chapter a day.

Recover soon,Sad Ghost!

Put Bando on the list of people who could take Waka. His arm whips have a tendency to cave people's skulls in and no amount of neck muscles can protect you from that.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

Ren was able to injure and hurt Saw Paing with his kicks and punch, doing more damages than the fisherman. Saw Paing was described as being one of the tankiest of the tournament and he said Ren attacks hurted A LOT.

I think Ren can really hurt Wakatuski, he isn't just fast, he hit really fucking hard, and he could take advantage of Wak's injury

Omega is a good balance between something new(training arcs and inter-organizational warfare) and fanservice

>There's actually 3 people thinking Sawada could take Raian
Excuse me?

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How come kazzy is still single ? with how popular he is and the influence he has in the kengan assosiation women must be throwing themselves at him.

True, but could Waka block? Though yeah, Bando seems like a really bad matchup for him.

I was talking about characters that had already beaten Waka.

Bando is the worst match-up for anyone that doesn't have fast reflexes and blocks over dodging. So long as he is serious he is a great threat

Bando's a bad match-up for pretty much everyone, to be honest.

How tall can Kazzy be? He's a middle aged jap, probably like 5 foot nothing.

He hurt him because he was cutting flesh and hitting pressure points. Good look doing that to Waka.

Nah we still need some time before we get to the tournament. In chapter 23 they were boarding the boat in Ashura if I remember correctly

>Ren was able to injure and hurt Saw Paing with his kicks and punch
Ren is the chinese guy who lost to Setsuna in the first round.

Rei is the assassin who fought Saw Paing.

His wife left right? (as in she didn't die)
Maybe he's still holding out hope for her returning.

>has instant-kill ranged attack that seasoned fighters can't see
>all but immune to grappling
>super resistant to blunt force
>incredibly physically strong
>a genius psychopath with a cold and calculating mind and innate talent for combat
He's more like some sort of monster then a fighter, too be honest. Out of everyone in the tournament he's the most otherworldly fighter by far.

Ohma started out at a higher position though, he didn't need any training at all.

>Ohma who used his strength him.
*Ohma who used his strength against him

I FINALLY REMEMBERED THE ONE THING THAT BOTHERED ME ABOUT TOYO THAT I KEPT FORGETTING EVERY THREAD
The one simple question.
Why the fuck didn't Akoya kill him? He's killed people for less and I REALLY doubt he cares about Metsudo or anyone else's idea of torturing him.
And by that metric should he be trying kill Rino?

the bando spiders were really strong yeah

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

>Why the fuck didn't Akoya kill him?
Unironically plot armor. No way was Toyo able to protect himself from him after alienating all of his fighters, allies and shareholders.

Two of them will protect you. The others will try to kill you..although they'll only ever fight your bodyguards one on one.
Didn't included Based-Beard or MUH FORMLESS because it wouldn't be fair otherwise.

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He's talking about Toyo.
Also, Akoya would have a lot of trouble with Bando even without the guards.

Maybe he's just super autistic and had another target on his mind.

I hope its an actual Greco-Roman guy in the skirt and everything

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No Bando? Sad.

Probably Muteba and Ohma

Have Muteba and Mad Doc protect me. They're the most suited to this type of mission by far, and would easily extract me while distracting my pursuers.

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Seems like Toyoda is there to completely fuck up Yamashita's and Nogi's plan to keep the tournament quiet and break it slowly. They are going to have a fucking headache next chapter.

Ohma and Wakatsuki most likely.

Cohma and Waka
If No Beard and No EVOLUTION those are my safest bets

>didn't include beard or Agito
>included Julius, Wakatsuki, Raian and Ohma

Have to go with Wakatsuki and the Doctor. The Doc can take out whoever he needs to with poisons and shit, and Wakatsuki because he is probably the strongest fighter.

Hiyama was there to restrain him. Besides, if you're asking that the real question should be "Why didn't Akoya go on a rampage in the stands as soon as he verified everyone there?"

I pick Dr. Death and Muteba. Dr. Death has biological weapons for god's sake and Muteba is a guy who can hold off a Kure and I'm not limiting him to not using weapons if he's going to keep me alive.

he beat Waka. offscreen. he did win two matches onscreen tho, albeit neither was against a real martial artist.

>He'll either do a Himuro where he spends the rest of the manga in a cast or he'll recover by the tournament and maybe have another fight. He doesn't seem like the type to be picked for the tournament though, he doesn't seem particularly loyal to the organisation he fights for and there's no guaranteeing he wouldn't throw the fight for Purgatory.
considering that at this point in Ashura the tournament hadn't even started yet, I'd say alright.

Good old murderhobo finding his legal loophole to murderhobo worms.

Doc and Ohma. Doc easily will take down the opponent somehow, and Ohma evidently only gets better the more he gets the shit beaten out of him.

So basically he can give out fake info that his opponent reads when in reality it's a feint?

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

I mean yeah, but Toyo is the most pertinent one because he attempt a mass terrorist act.
That's usually the biggest crime you can do.

If it's Kengan Rules (i.e. My life is bet on the outcome of refereed matches with observed rules), Waka and Julius. If it's "They'll attack with intent to kill you and your bodyguards will fight to prevent it", Doc Death and Muteba.

Yeah hat's a good way to put it, they don't move as much as during a feint, just trick their opponent into expecting x move when it's actually y.

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Good ol' eagle eyes

Adam could smash concrete with his toe strength, I imagine his fingers are just as strong.

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Would that technique murder the fuck out of Koga? I get the feeling that with his good eyes he'd be more distracted than the average fighter by this fake out.

Kano is in the foreground

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!
Fuck if my kness could get some help.
Based.
DON'T EMBARASS KAZZY YOU FUCKING GOAT SHIT

This.

Its still not a good look for a high ranking guy like Yamashita to appear all friendly and cozy with Kengan's biggest, rising rival fight club president

Actually, now that I think about it, why is the corporation punished for the fighter ignoring the ref ending the fight? Most fighters are freelance now and have little to nothing to do with the corporation.

>about
his gimmick is going to be swan dives on everybody

It incentivizes the corporations to hire 'proper' fighters, probably.

That just means he has better ears than Kazzy. Koga has both eagle eyes and bat ears.

Poor weirdo, he looks so sad.

Wait, isn't this a slight recon? I thought the whole point of the Agito vs Gaolong fight was for Agito to feel the fear of losing a fight for the first time in his life, which led him to ask for help in refining his martial arts and kicking sen's ass. If this dude really brought Agito to the "brink", then shouldn't that transformation have happened before the tournament?

Trying to get them to avoid seeking out Meguro style fighters.

This man speaks truth. Older fighters slow down, can't pull the trigger, and exhaust faster as they get older, that's why you rarely see volume punchers past the age of 30.

HOWEVER

Not every fighter peaks at the same time. Sergio Martinez was still fast and sharp in his mid 30's while guys like James Kirkland peaked in his late 20's.

Might just be an exaggeration. Agito probably wasn't pushed as hard as she thought.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

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Sewada just shows Raian his penis and gets a blowjob. easy as that

>his knee
Jesus christ that's fucking brutal.

I took it to mean that Koga has more fight experience so he was able to more quickly understand what his eyes perceived.

Keep in mind that Kaede is the narrator and not the best judge. Plus just because a guy pressed Agito doesn't mean he gave him the fear of losing. He also fought Okubo who was a very strong opponent who managed to do some damage to him but wasn't pushed as hard as Gaolang did.

Huh you're right, he might wear glasses outside of the ring.

Might be.

They don't necessarily seek out the fighters though, take Ryuki's first fight for example, he just up and replaced Toku2 on Kazzy's whim.

Kaede isn't the best judge regardless. Toku2 could have pushed Agito hard but then Agito still overcame him in Sambo, whereas that never occurred in the Gaolang fight.

Maybe he's simple enough to not rationalize it via mental gymnastics and just sees a shaking Kazzy shitting his pants?

That secretary is disturbing my Kengan Secretary rankings...

That's likelier than what I said. Koga has fought in matches unlike Kazzy so he's trained his perception more. Kazzy discovered his talent late in his life.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!
Let's hope my surgery goes well!

Thanks OP

Scarmug will be the one saying how Kazzy is corrupt and can't be trusted and everyone except for the select few will fall for it because everyone trusts Scarmug.

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Yeah, it says right there, it's 'detoxification'. He's not saying it's taking 'a toll on his body', but purifying him.

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No dilemma. Muteba and Doc. These two are the most skilled killers among the KA fighters.

Doc has poisons and feel no pain, plus he's pretty skilled in close combat, so I don't think that anyone in the KA roster stands a chance against him in a real death fight.
Muteba is already one of the best fighters in the roster with his barehands, so if you give him guns and blades, there are really no one that can lay a hand on me.

A extremely competent individual like Yamashita Kazuo would never be in league with an adversary of the Kengan Association

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There is another problem with this trick. While you can imply that you move somewhere to launch a proper attack you need to actually move your centre of mass. Most people who could be called masters would notice it pretty easily that you are not committing to the attack you imply. And moving your centre of mass for the feint considerably slows down your real attack.

Will Kazzy keep his cool, spill the spaghetti and talk about the upcoming tournament or will someone rescue him from this situation ?

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

I kinda feel bad for ghost here. He tried his best and got shut down and beaten hard so fast.

Well he was trying his best to actually kill his opponent.

Been a while since I've said this in a Kengan Thread. But Fuck Arba, and not in the good way.

oh, nice job!

He just saw Kazzy's latest movie, of course he's happy to greet his friend!

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>will someone rescue him from this situation ?
Adam to the rescue

I think it's the frustration on his face there that gets me.

>FUCK!

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what if kazzy is actually training koga to become Gao's Kazzy since Ohma needed a Kazzy Boost to keep fighting until the end?

the doujins would never fucking end

Muteba and Raian only if he doesn't ends up killing me just for funsies
Otherwise Muteba and Gaolang

Why, yes, I do call the first manga Kengan Ashura, how could you tell?

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The toll on his body was from already taking damage to his knees, and them finally giving up.

I was thinking more along the lines of fighting experience enhanced his vision not his experience with vision was better. While they were both able to see the same thing only one of them was able to interpret it instantly and that quick interpretation was likely due to fighting experience.

Its not a feint.

Adan is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He's an expert of Japan after all so he must know about the Mr.Satan Syndrome.

Maybe the panel doesn't mean anything and they both just heard a bone snap lmao stop thinking so hard

Nice, I was worried he would job.

Thanks for the dump.

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Recover soon, Sad Ghost !

>Waka took a flying Knee from the Olympian to the skull without any damage. Murobuchi was supposedly the Fastest man on Earth outside of Rei.
Well, not trying to sound snarky since this is the simplest example I can think of, but that's like saying a weaker man's punch being less effective than a stronger man's punch is proof that the stronger man's punch would be similarly ineffective. Wakatsuki didn't block that blow with his face muscles to nullify the damage. His face isn't any tougher than the average fighter's. Wakatsuki can grit his teeth through the blows, but he can't defend against internal shocks. That was Rei's entire strategy to bypass the toughness of Saw Paing's defense.

Muteba's neck jab wasn't ineffective against Wakatsuki, it made him black out. Wakatsuki just prepared himself for it and grit himself through it; he endured the damage just to deliver his cover, he didn't nullify it.

Saying there isn't much of a way for Rei to harm him is disingenuous when the guy with the toughest skull went down against him. Surely you wouldn't doubt Agito or Beard's ability to harm Wakatsuki or Julius, why doubt Rei?

>Saw Paing had a tough skeleton but his muscles and the like took as much damage as anyone else's
Well, it's not really a mathematical equation, but the point is that he at least takes only half as much damage as anyone else normally would. If Saw Paing could take sledgehammers to his face as a kid, I think he'd be able to endure Wakatsuki and Julius' blows better than they could take one another's.

In any case, Wakatsuki wouldn't have Saw Paing's near invulnerability to attacks to the head. Of course, so long as he can endure it, he'd be able to repeat Saw Paing's strategy of counter-attacking while Rei is close to deliver a devastating blow, but it's really just your point of Rei being incapable of hurting Wakatsuki that I'm arguing against.

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At their first fight? Yes. If Koga would already see him fight? No.

Not that I disagree, my point really is just that Wakatsuki would have heavier injuries than the other user seems to think he'd incur. He doesn't have Beard's skill to predict and avoid/counter Rei's blows, after all. He'd have to adopt Saw Paing's strategy of enduring the hits to land his own, and Rei would surely be wary of having even one of Wakatsuki's attacks land on him, so they would both take up strategies in their fights to reflect that.

APOLOGIZE, HE DIDNT JOB.

Ren, Nikaido Ren, the creepy china man that lost to Setsuna, not Rei

I'd say it was a case of Agito being pushed enough into autism mode that he ended up damaging Nitoku that much.
Basically Nitoku vs Agito was a much closer fight than Agito vs Okubo, Agito maybe even did a finisher, something he didn't do against Okubo, but what Takiyama claimed he would if the fight was any closer.

I think that kaneda is a good match for seki, not a match that kaneda could win in any way, but it would be a fun one
Senki is the type of guy that would fall for all the tricks of kaneda and would totally price kaneda for keeping up even whit his weak body, at the end kaneda would simple lose because he doesnt have the strenght to take senki down, but as the match advance it should look like kaneda have an oportunity only because he would start to dodge everythig and land every hit, it would be pretty cool

Nitoku was likely Kazzy's choice as Kokuro's opponent in the first place. Reasonable, given he could win against Murobuchi out of Peak Condition and still recovering from latest injury.

>Falcon uh? Falcons aint SHIT compared to the AMERICAN EAGLE

The point is a company can be given someone mentally unhinged without their say-so. Ryuki was going in for the kill at the end after all, the company could've been punished for it.

his eyes scare me

No. Kazzy explicitly took on all the problems that Ryuki can cause.

I mean, Agito still almost lost even after creating his "anti-Gaolang" style, so there's that to consider. So I don't think it's like Agito's never had a hard fight, but more like, Gaolang is the first one to ever make Agito feel like he could lose even after he had changed his style to target his opponent's weaknesses. Because he had already adapted to Gaolang, but was still close to losing. He won because of the feint he pulled in the end, and possibly because he broke Gaolang's fist by coincidence, which probably affected the strength of Gaolang's blows.

No he took on any possible financial loss.

Muro was far stronger than Rei physically. I don't really think that is debatable. His knee would carry more force than any of Rei's blows, because Rei doesn't fight with strong techniques, he attacks the vitals with comparatively weaker strikes.
Muro's knee did almost nothing to Waka, after the fight he was having a comfortable conversation with Kaede.

Muteba's neckjab did make Waka blackout, but it didn't reach the close-to-the-surface vitals that Muteba was aiming for. The density of the muscles in Waka's neck, a relatively unmuscled area, were enough to protect him.

The Rei fight against Saw wasn't won by Rei overcoming Saw's durability so much as Rei being a more skilled fighter. Rei used Saw's power against him. Regardless the durability of Saw and the durability of Waka are different. Where Saw's is based on bone density, Waka's is based on muscle density - there is a big difference there. You can hurt Saw by striking vitals like Rei did because those aren't going to have bone in the area, but in Waka's case those same vitals are going to be covered in almost impenetrable muscles.

Again Waka took strikes from Julius, the physically strongest guy in the tournament and didn't take any significant damage. Rei can't really output the same damage that Julius did, even with his speed.

See what user originally said here
>Waka is just too thicc for Ren to do all that much damage to him. This fight will go down as a smaller scale version of Ren vs Kuroki, Ren is slower this time and Waka isn't as great at defending as Kuroki. Waka - moderate injuries.
Emphasis on "a small scale version of Ren vs Kuroki".

Someone later pointed out that Ren was the Chinese guy, but as he originally believed it was Rei vs Wakatsuki, I was replying to him on that.

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How is this supposed to be a controversial opinion? Only vietkongs call it Ashua.

The controversy is over it being Asura or Ashura

>You can hurt Saw by striking vitals like Rei did
Rei didnt aim to "vital" vitals. He didnt try to jab Saw Paing´s heart, he just kept hiting his face

K-KAZZY SAMA PLEASE FORGIVE ME

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I hope we get Agito and Ryuki being autistic and killing worms together

NO
NOT THE KNEES

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Based.
Also xou legs are OK.
You gain brouzouf

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>His knee would carry more force than any of Rei's blows
This was my original purpose in bringing up "torque". Murobuchi is probably physically stronger than Rei, but Rei is most certainly faster and that speed would be what allows Rei to hit harder than Murobuchi. I don't believe Murobuchi's knee would hit harder. But I'm digressing here, my main point was that Rei used internal shocks to bypass Saw Paing's defense as simply hitting him hard in the face and to his vitals weren't effective enough on him.

Looking it up, Wakatsuki's neck muscles flexed automatically from impact. It wasn't simply the density of Wakatsuki's muscles that protected him, but more that it was too tight for Muteba's fingers to proceed any further.

Rei did overcome Saw Paing's durability, though; my point is that, rather than directly breaking his defense, he used internal shocks to get through it. That was my point here
>Wakatsuki can grit his teeth through the blows, but he can't defend against internal shocks. That was Rei's entire strategy to bypass the toughness of Saw Paing's defense.
Rei has learned Fa Jin. He doesn't necessarily need the exact same circumstances in which he countered Saw Paing's headbutt to do that same sort of damage, as Fa Jin is more a flexible concept to apply in different scenarios, like Ghost's shtick in this very chapter. And building on what other user said to you to this post, it was strikes to Saw Paing's head that brought him down. The damage to Saw Paing's vitals were mitigated by his tougher skeleton.

There is no controversy between those two, they are literally the same.

But my knees are already better now than they were 8 years ago.

Hassad soon

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I reread the fight, the only strike that Rei did himself that caused damage was a strike to the stomach, around the liver, but not on the rib cage. Other than that he mainly focused on battering Saw's skull to keep him off balance. The knockout blow was one that got around Saw's durability by aiming for the already injured chin - you get knocked out from a chin shot because it hits a certain nerve not because it does a ton of damage on its own. After the fight Saw had little damage done to him.

Waka has a different fighting style than Saw Paing, one that is less aggressive. Rei can't turn his power against him in the same way, Ohma did it because he could handle a strike to return a KO, Rei cannot. A single glancing blow from Waka would be enough to take Rei down. Its far too uneven.

Have Karla and Kuretoostrongforfightingtechniques protect me.
The rest of the Kure clan would never allow me to be killed because of their honour and would help to protect me.
Then I would fuck and marry Karla.

If you needed to be protected, Karla would look at you as ifyou were walking garbage.

Not him, but I said in the 2nd reply to your post that pretty much addressed your points there. Fa Jin isn't really a counter attack, but a concept. Besides that, the strikes to the stomach, liver, rib cage, etc. weren't really vital to Rei's victory. It was the strikes to the skull and compounding the damage Saw Paing incurred from the internal shocks caused by Rei's first counter that clinched the win for Rei. Those weren't "to keep him off balance"; those were the actually damaging attacks. The knockout blow was simply the finisher topping all the damage from those attacks, which had done more damage than any of Rei's other hits to Saw Paing's vitals.

>A single glancing blow from Waka would be enough to take Rei down. Its far too uneven.
I also addressed this in my reply to a different user
>He doesn't have Beard's skill to predict and avoid/counter Rei's blows, after all. He'd have to adopt Saw Paing's strategy of enduring the hits to land his own, and Rei would surely be wary of having even one of Wakatsuki's attacks land on him, so they would both take up strategies in their fights to reflect that.
You can't really say "a single glancing blow" would be enough to take Rei down without understanding that Rei definitely would be making sure that he doesn't take that single blow. As compared to Saw Paing, Rei would be a lot more cautious in taking any hits from Wakatsuki at all. So Wakatsuki's issue is actually being able to land a blow in the first place, while Rei's strategy would be to pepper Wakatsuki's head with many strikes. Rei would be the initiator of any exchanges while Wakatsuki would have to look for an opportunity to counter there while being aware that Rei would also be aware that that's his only path.

And to reiterate, the origin of my raising up this argument with you is to address your point of Rei's inability to cause much damage to Wakatsuki.

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Call medics! Someone just sniped Kaede!

it was said explicitly in the manga. He couldn't surpass Gaolang. Agito was overall better, but he couldn't become a better striker than Gaolang.
Up till then he was always able to beat his opponent at their style.

Eh no. It says pretty much literally that losing so much weight in such an abnormal amount of time is a FORM of detoxification. He's still raising his metabolism to absurd levels to lose weight. And no, it doesn't explicitly say so, but it's only logical that doing so strains the body a lot.

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Why are you hung up on that 'form' thing? Sure, if a skinny guy started losing a lot of weight suddenly, that's terrible for him, but for Haruo, it's nothing but pluses.

>And no, it doesn't explicitly say so, but it's only logical that doing so strains the body a lot.
It would be terrible for anyone else, but for someone with so much useless fat on him, it's nothing but a plus for Haruo. He's burning his fat off. That's why it's described as detoxification for Haruo. Even the process of burning the fat off should be giving him more energy. If there's any, ANY sort of consequence to losing a lot of weight at once, then it should have been already immediately obvious, as it would be for any ordinary person in real life to lose too much weight too quickly, but that obviously doesn't apply for Haruo and nothing in that scene implies that.

Oh Christ, Bando the Bloody Overrated strikes again. His attacks can and have been predicted, their destructive power isn't that impressive by Kengan standards, he was KO'd by a grappling specialist, there is ZERO proof he can withstand blows far stronger than bullsh*t Chin Na, he's far from the physically strongest in the tournament, and his aptitude for killing only goes so far without actual formal training. He's not even the most psychopathic and bloodthirsty brute in the tournament when complete monsters like Akoya, Muteba and Meguro exist(ed).

All of this places him squarely above-average on the Kengan scale. I can give plenty of good arguments as to why most, if not all of the semi-finalists could beat him down, though it wouldn't be guaranteed nor clean.

*I meant to write quarterfinalists, since he DEFINITELY would not have won against any of the other semi-final fighters.

How fucking insane would Agito be if he popped into Bakiverse, fought everyone except Musashi once and came back?

>expending energy gives him more energy
Excuse me, what?

>but that obviously doesn't apply for Haruo and nothing in that scene implies that
It only makes sense. Also, did you miss the part where's he's sweating his nuts off and is wheezing uncontrollably?

And the user who underplays Bando completely strikes again.
>their destructive power isn't that impressive by Kengan standards
Completely incorrect. His arm whips literally smash skulls into bloody mush and skull fragments. The strongest fighters in the KA are the ones who get to the later rounds.

You do remember that Bando showed up as one of the fighters when Metsudo was talking to Agito about the strongest fighters in the KA. Julius, Sen, Gaolang, Okubo, Raian, AND Bando, right? No? It's okay, I remembered for you.

The only reason all the people you're replying to exist is because of idiots like you who are so intent on underplaying Bando.

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Insane? He'd be dead.

He'd be too ruined by the yujirou cock.

>should be giving him more energy
You cannot convert energy without using energy, and no conversion is completely efficient. A lot of that fat-energy is going to be wasted in the form of body-heat, and ramping up his metabolism that fast can only be hell on his cardiovascular and respiratory system, not to mention dehydrating from losing so much water.

I saw the second reply and was typing something up for when your's came in so I figure I'll just go with this one.

Rei's strat against Saw was to like you said keep him rattled with strikes to the head. It looks like he started off with a temple shot and continued from there. Finishing the match with a counter hit to his already damaged jaw. The difference between Waka and Saw is that they use two different kinds of 'armor' Saw relies on his skeleton and Waka on his muscles. This is what makes the difference.

You can't rattle Waka in the same way because unlike Saw, you can only jostle his head if he lets you - his neck muscles are too strong to move. Saw wasn't that much stronger than the other fighters, his muscles weren't special it was his skeleton that made him unique.
And Waka is also from what I saw, this is a bit opinionated, a better fighter than Paing was. He used brute force like Paing but he backed it up with more technique.

As for Rei avoiding taking a single blow, that is far easier said than done. He has to come inside to hit Waka, and in doing so he leaves himself open. Saw almost took Rei down multiple times, someone that gives him even less room for failure is an even harder challenge.

Unless Rei can end such a fight fast, he ain't winning. Even a glancing hit to the leg would disable him, and Saw Paing could land a counter after couple of attempts by Rei.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

I'm glad the mangaka still keeps me hanging with who wins, once again i was left at 50/50 on who could emerge the victor

Something always bugged me about Bando
They never outright confirmed he was dislocating his arms to do those invisible strikes, it ended on speculation
The part that bugged me was how the hell he was whipping around his arms so fast and powerfully that the audience thought bombs were going off when they hit the ground, yet there was never really shown any damage on his arms?

Adam, the master of the obvious

Hard kung-fu is when you smash the shit out of a wall with your limbs until they stop breaking

What a fucking unit.

>Muteba
>complete monster
>the only dude he killed was the most vile and bloodthirsty character in the manga who was more animal then man
>refused to kill Seki and later came to his aid
>is a total fucking bro
APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW

Fight with Koga/Adam/Cosmo and this falcon guy incoming

They'd kill him. Fuck, Speck was strong enough to destroy the Statue of Liberty and Hanayama tanked the full force of his attacks without defending and then destroyed him with pure brute force. The gap is simply too vast.

You're forgetting Waka is a skilled and seasoned enough fighter to trick Muteba of all people. He knows his strengths and how to best use them, and he's also a high-level martial artist who can analyze techniques and styles with just one glance. He may not be grandmaster level like Kuroki or super prodigy level like Agito, but his combat IQ is severely underrated whenever he's discussed. I'm confident that he's a better fighter then Rei (meaning he has more experience and better judgement in the heat of battle) and would make fairly short work of him.

>can only be hell on his cardiovascular and respiratory system
Though it should be noted that Haruo probably has the best system possible in both cases as someone who was born and spend most of his life in mountains.

The Nepali people have more red blood cells and stronger lungs than normal people due to liveing in the mountains from infancy.

As Wakatsuki's defense would be more reliant on his muscles than his skeleton, that means Rei's blows to Wakatsuki's head would be more effective.
>You can't rattle Waka in the same way because unlike Saw, you can only jostle his head if he lets you - his neck muscles are too strong to move
Wouldn't that be worse? To be rigid instead of moving back away from the impact? That seems more conducive to Fa Jin? In any case, stopping his head from shaking around doesn't actually stop the impact from reaching his brain as that's the point of Fa Jin. I would assume you'd want to go for more of a cushioning effect. That's why people package stuff up in bubble wrap rather than something that would stop all movement whatsoever, as the latter would damage the contents more.

It seems like you're saying that Wakatsuki's muscles would help him defend his head better from penetrating impacts, but the entire point of it being penetrating is that it bypasses the outer layer of someone's guard to strike at the organs inside.

Putting aside the matter of Fa Jin for the moment; look at how Muteba danced around Wakatsuki. Muteba isn't even as fast as Rei, but he only ever got hit a few times the entire time, and only the last put him out of commission.

Muteba got hit more times in his previous fights, but that doesn't really mean his previous opponents were faster or more skillful than Wakatsuki. Muteba simply took the blows he knew he could endure; he knew he couldn't take any hit from Wakatsuki, therefore, his strategy reflected that. Likewise, while Rei got hit by Saw Paing, it's simply because he didn't have that worry of being taken out instantly. It was an exchange; he was hoping that he'd be able to take Saw Paing or hurt him severely in exchange for putting himself in danger of getting hit by Saw Paing. It's not like every hit of Wakatsuki's is capable of putting a person out of commission; it's always been the straight, full-on blows that took someone out.

Now that's a real heathen's opinion.

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Wasn't Rei only able to hurt Saw Paing as much he did by diverting the force of his own headbutt back into him? I doubt Waka would give him that opportunity.
>look at how Muteba danced around Wakatsuki. Muteba isn't even as fast as Rei
No, but he had super eyes at the time, generally has better senses and Rei is primarily fast in short burst in straight lines. Muteba was kiting Wakatsuki using his better senses and longer legs.

>You're forgetting Waka is a skilled and seasoned enough fighter to trick Muteba of all people
I'm not forgetting that at all, but that was a matter of brute forcing his resistance against Muteba's jab. That opening for a counterattack was from enduring an attack Muteba was confident would finish Wakatsuki and hitting him while he was off-guard.

And, I feel like this has to be stated again as it seems like it's not being noted down, my entire point is that Rei would do a lot more damage to Wakatsuki than the original guy thought. You're saying Wakatsuki is a skilled fighter? Who's arguing against that? But the problem here lies in the fact that Wakatsuki needs to engage by his opponent's terms and find a proper spot to counterattack in. See how he won against Julius and Muteba? Both of them were victories from a counterattack where Wakatsuki had to find an opening.

Julius bore down on him with his superior ability to endure blows, allowing him to endure hits in exchange for landing his own. Julius also fought smartly instead of just mindlessly exchanging blows. Wakatsuki had to deceive him with a misdirection so that he could land the crucial winning kick. As for Muteba, he went for the instakill move. Wakatsuki's win there depended upon the moment of complacency Muteba displayed which allowed him to unleash a full-power strike.

Wakatsuki doesn't have any technique to mitigate the damage he receives; he tanks, and he finds the opportunity to unleash his full power strike. But in each scenario, he had to fight on the terms of his opponent. Wakatsuki won't be able to hit someone with Rei's speed except under Rei's terms of engagement, but why would Rei fight him the same way he did Saw Paing and give him an opportunity to land a hit? Wakatsuki will need to find the opportunity there, but it will only be after enduring Rei's attacks.

Sure, he's got a sense of honour. Doesn't erase the fact he's a war-criminal who'd kill the Pope for the highest bidder.

we tough now.

>Wasn't Rei only able to hurt Saw Paing as much he did by diverting the force of his own headbutt back into him? I doubt Waka would give him that opportunity.
Wasn't that literally how Wakatsuki lost to Ohma? Granted, Demonsbane is on a whole other level of redirection from what Rei can do.

>Wasn't Rei only able to hurt Saw Paing as much he did by diverting the force of his own headbutt back into him?
Fa Jin was applied there, but it's not limited to that alone. It doesn't really matter if Wakatsuki doesn't give him the exact same scenario as there would certainly be other methods to apply it.

>Rei is primarily fast in short burst in straight lines.
Rei was actually dodging Saw Paing's attacks rather nimbly as well even while they were fighting in close range for the first half of the fight. Saw Paing only started getting blows in when Rei switched over to the Sunfire form of his style and stayed close. At any rate, Rei's capable of dodging attacks up close too.

Ah, found the page. Stiffening the body does help make the attack's impact penetrate.

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Here's the second strike which I assume also applies Fa Jin, and this was while Saw Paing was performing a chop.

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Unless Waka tries to headbutt him, which would be extremely unorthodox for him, he should be fine.

Julius is the one who didn't seem that strong (specifically compared to those other characters he's grouped with I mean) to me honestly

>9nth match.
I think that a an uninjured Kaneda can beat Seki. if he's injured, Kaneda's fucked.
>10
this is a tough one, but I'll go with Chiba on this one.
>11
Sawada's fucked, and not in a way he might like.
>12
waka wins.

don'ttell me why, but I got the feeling that Seki would go the wrestling route "monster giant heel vs small babyface" and act in a retarded way just to have a fun match.

Yes, but Saw Paing was super hurt at the time due to the failed headbutt and Rei's followup blows. Also, Wakatsuki demonstrated incredibly solid defense of his head in his fights.

>tanks Wakatsuki's blows no problem
>ragdolls him
>Hulks out and redecorates the arena
>super fast, not for his size, just period
>is actually a very smart and skilled fighter on top of all that
You do realize Julius would have absolutely murked a good 80% of the tournament?

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

>I think that a an uninjured Kaneda can beat Seki.
On top of his overwhelming physical advantages, Seki is the better fighter. I don't see Kaneda having a snowball's chance in hell.

This, if anything the fight would be fun as fuck.

I pick up Waka and Cohma.

this is me. It's just a wrestling thing. Kaneda would be PISSED but I think that's how it would play out.

From my experience in Martial Arts the hits that don't move your head throw you off a lot less than the ones that do move your head regardless of power. I've taken heavy kicks and punches to the skull and when I took it in a way that didn't leave me with my head snapped back I was able to stay better balanced than if I'd taken a weaker technique and had it snap my head back. A large portion of the disorientation that comes from head shots is created when your head snaps back.

You can 'penetrate' all you want, but there isn't much you can do against someone that much stronger than you. Like I said Waka is a better fighter than Saw Paing in my opinion and will be able to react to the strikes in a more apt way.

Muteba did dance around Waka, but that was while Waka was unsure of his sight, and Muteba still fell for Waka's trap. What is there to Rei that would make the scenario all that different? Rei might be better, but anytime you have to get in close to Waka you're playing with fire.

Rei's strat like I said was to use his opponent's super powerful attacks against them. This worked in the Paing fight because Saw went for those massive headbutts. Waka normally doesn't use techniques that leave himself as susceptible to counters, Demonsbane worked because that was an unusually strong punch from Waka and it works different from Rei's strat of positioning.

Even in Kengan we saw him easily beat pre-tournament Cosmo.

>the strongest fighters
>later rounds
You do realise Raian, Gaolang, and Julius were knocked out in Round 2 of the qualifying rounds due to getting matched with the best of the best, not even making it to quarterfinals with Sen? Okubo did even worse because he too was matched up with the Fang. Bando only got as far as he did because he fought Hanafusa, who was way below his weight-class and needed poisoned blades to hurt him. He folded in his first match with a serious, powerful martial artist.

As for power feats, I can tell you right now that even a few of the fighters in Round 1 managed to outdo him, most notably Murobuchi who punched vans to bits as 'warmups'. Saw Paing, another Round 2 exit, made craters in the arena with his FOREHEAD. I'll take actual fight performance over generalised statements as evidence any day.

Please let him redeem himself in the tournament Sandrovich

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True, which makes the implicit claim in that Bando is anywhere on par with those other fighters completely untenable. Coupled with the fact that there are definitely a few Round 1 fighters who can match him in terms of strength, the argument for his classification as a 'top-tier' fighter falls flat.

Recover soon, Sad Ghost!

I don’t want him to die so he is fine as Kazzy’s agent and being based when it’s needed.

The funny thing is that both of them are alike in that they endeavour to make their opponents follow their plots. They simply differ by their objectives; a quick victory for Kaneda, a showy battle for Seki. In this case, I think the latter's script is going to overwrite the formers simply due to the strength difference.

Space is limited, user. If Okubo gets selected, he's likely not going to make it in. Whatever he can do, Okubo does better.

It was a good chapter. I guess im alittle biased towards Ashura for showing/detailing every fight where as Omega has only had like 2-3 real fights so far and otherwise we keep getting that haha he won in one panel because he is superior shit.

I really hope they don't bleed that shit over to the tournament. Half of the jobbers of Ashura are now likeable mainstays in Omega. If they just chop out the personality and moments of the jobber fights like that faggy looked dude Gaoh beat then they won't be around and no one will care.

Bombs comment might've been because of his hands breaking the sound barrier.

another gay fighting manga wow lads actually enjoy this

But Wakatsuki and Julius could make it far in Baki's world. The latter's feat of towing a Formula racer running at TOP speed is arguably just as impressive as some of Biscuit Oliva's, including towing a cargo helicopter. If Agito can effortlessly deal with the two of them, he's logically good enough to survive, and so can any Kengan fighter with the potential to beat the two of them.

Also, remember that brute strength isn't everything in Baki either; Shibukawa is just a frail old man who's even weaker than the young Kaneda, yet his supreme technique puts him on par with heavyweights like Doppo.

You're free to go elsewhere if it doesn't suit you, Miss.

when will see them again in one panel?

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I can't wait until we see Toyoda's internal perspective on how he views Kazzy.

>But Wakatsuki and Julius could make it far in Baki's world.
During the original Grappler Baki, it and Kengan are for the most part pretty even in powerlevels. Further into the series though Baki's powerlevels honestly spiral out of control, Kengan's characters wouldn't keep up.

The authors are already subverting expectations. I don't think people expected Toki to survive his debut, what with Ghost in a homicidal rage, yet he pushed his crap in effortlessly. Granted, he might eat humble pie later, but even 'jobber fights' aren't predictable in this manga.

>Bando only got as far as he did because he fought Hanafusa
You just listed reasons why Hanafusa wasn't an easy opponent despite being small and relatively "weak". Bando still took him out without resorting to his best moves.
>He folded in his first match with a serious, powerful martial artist
A martial artist who could take on Wakatsuki in the past and was prepared for Bando's ace in the hole. A powerful martial artist who, despite all that, was scared shitless to fight him and didn't want to even humor him when Bando wanted a rematch. Bando also effortlessly brutalized one of Hayami's top clowns, that should count too.

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How so? Bakis power levels are really inconsistent and stupid as well so its not like it matters. Musashi literally took damage from anything he logically should've but was able to beat just about anyone with the same logic. But meanwhile well Musashi could cut Yujiros cheek and such without going full swing anyone else swinging just gets their sword snapped.

I find it hard to compare to Bakis maximum because everyone jobs to logical stuff but then Yujiro is the OPM of the universe able to take Haneyama blows to the face with relatively no damage or movement and take lightning strikes. I don't see Kuroki losing to another who isn't top tier in the Baki universe so like 5 people and ultimately Bakis best don't win for good martial arts reasons. Yujiro often cheats through fights then explains shit like he didn't take 101 different moronic blows that shouldn't put him in pain.

My biggest issue is all these 1-2 page encounters or really short fights with no end. I really hope it doesn't happen in any tourney fights.

Really? I've read up to Son of Yuujiro and there's not much the heavyweights like Oliva, Doppo and his son, Hanayama and Ryu have done that Wakatsuki and Julius can't do either. The true outlier is Yuujiro himself, who's called a freak even in the ludicrously strong world he's in.

>The latter's feat of towing a Formula racer running at TOP speed is arguably just as impressive as some of Biscuit Oliva's
A mid tier dude was strong enough to destroy the statue of liberty. Said mid tier dude got annihilated in brute force by one of the main cast. There is no comparison.
>Shibukawa is just a frail old man who's even weaker than the young Kaneda
Shibukawa is durable enough to withstand an onslaught from Jack with no lasting injury. He's a monster just like the rest of them. I'm not even being salty, i fucking LOVE Kengan, i think it's the best thing to happen to fighting manga and shounen in general in the last decade, especially since Baki went to shit, but there is no comparison. Strength, speed, technique, Baki characters are on another planet.

Hello son. Did you get close enough to Kazzy for him to let his guard down yet?

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>they aren't stronger because i don't want them to be
Ok.

Then you haven't been paying attention. The strength, speed and technique levels are completely different. Doppo is EASILY stronger in punching power then either Waka or Julius, more durable then Saw Paing and more skillful then Kuroki.

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I think in terms of raw strenght wakatsuki and jusius would be in the mid to high tier of baki, but baki mid tier characters would also have agito or beards level of skill and ability on top of that.

If you give the body of wakatsuki to Beard he could probably put up a good fight against Doppo

The fact remains that Hanafusa was an amateurish martial-artist compared to the rest; otherwise, he would've just bare-handed it like Muteba instead of resorting to such extreme measures. Look at all the strikes he managed to land on Bando, who had no reason to give him this many points even for bait. If he'd been hit as many times in as many places by punchers as strong as Gaolang, he'd be hamburger.

This is a good explanation.

>he'd be hamburger
Isn't he super resistant to blunt force trauma? Hanafusa was targeting his pressure points and getting nowhere.

I half expected Ghost to attack while Toku2's back was turned at the end of the fight.

Is Waka as resistant as Bando? Can he avoid being acupuncture‘d to death?

I just realized Adam will probably take the fall to Falcon to get Cosmo to want in

Different types of resistance. But yeah, he could.

Hope Cosmo gets wrecked too so that Kureishi enters then honestly. I wanna see him fight.

The biggest difference is the tankiness. Baki characters can take much harder blows than kengan characters even if they have the same level of strenght and the same ability.

Wait what the fuck he looks so sad now I feel bad

WEI SHEN MOTHERFUCKER WHO ARE YOU

How has Kaz not died of cardiac arrest?

Ghost snake boy and his fighting style seemed more fun, dunno how to feel about him falling here to be honest.

The thing is, Wakatsuki's defense doesn't matter here. That's the purpose of Fa Jin; it even says right here
Armor-Piercing Permeating Force. In the first place, Wakatsuki's head defense is not tougher than Saw Paing's. His muscles are of no use there. I know you're a different user, but it feels like I've had to reiterate this way too many times in this conversation and it just doesn't seem to be getting through.

Regardless, like in the pages I posted, it's better when they don't snap back. In the very first hit to Saw Paing's lower jaw, Rei actually held his head in place to prevent that movement. I can only assume that the difference from your experience is due to the application of Fa Jin in this scenario.

>You can 'penetrate' all you want, but there isn't much you can do against someone that much stronger than you. Like I said Waka is a better fighter than Saw Paing in my opinion and will be able to react to the strikes in a more apt way.
I've already told this to another user, so I'll just restate this: Wakatsuki's ability to react better doesn't change the fact that none of his reactions have ever been about avoiding hits. He used his Blast Core move to draw Julius' attention away from his true attack and he countered Muteba after deceiving him into thinking he was defeated with his OHKO move. Wakatsuki won't be able to avoid Rei's attacks and Rei will be wary of Wakatsuki's; I've asked this multiple times already and I'll ask again, but in what context exactly would Rei ever let Wakatsuki hit him even while knowing how hard Wakatsuki's strikes are?

And let's return back to the original issue; why do you think Rei can't do much damage against Wakatsuki?

Rei did not only use Saw Paing's headbutt, he also did this
and Rei does not even need to go as far for Wakatsuki as Wakatsuki's skull definitely isn't going to be as tough as Saw Paing. And again, Fa Jin isn't limited to that first counter. I already said this, so I don't know why you take it for granted that Rei would absolutely need to go for a counter to do the same thing. Or even why he needs to do that? You just seem to be taking it for granted? It's not limited to that one scenario.

Anyway, I'm out. Thread's already hit bump limit and I gotta sleep.

Have sex

>Oliva stopped shotgun bullets with his muscles
Mate

Dilate

By defense, i meant that Wakatsuki has formidable blocking skills and used them to great effect. He was even able to block Ohma attacking from his blind spot.

If i remember correctly Fa Jin in RL is just force that is just led out so strong and fast, that it is considered explosive in Kung fu. The whole process is established through Zhen jiao, a concept that in theory multiple a strike, throw or technique through a stomp/pressing to the ground with the foot that is concentrated and executed in a deep stance. Done correctly it accumulates and assemble into one point in the body and then meonioned force rapidly dispers over the body creating damage.