Who wins?

Even if they would play teleporting game, in the long run Tobirama's stamina is superior.
Yin Kyuubi is irrelevant factor that Minato had in Edo Tensei only, and which cooperated with him only within specific circumstances of 4th Shinobi War, because Yang Kyuubi was Naruto's friend by that point.
Also, Minato admitted that he doesn't normally use Sage Mode in combat, because it takes him too long to prepare is and he can use it only for short while, which means that his stamina is mediocre.

>and he can use it only for short while, which means that his stamina is mediocre.
Maybe you should have paid attention to the series. Jiraiya and Naruto also needed a long time to prepare using it and the only reason Jiraiya was able to use it for an extended amount of time was because he had two sages on his shoulders who gathered the natural energy for him, while Naruto either cheated the system by placing various shadow clones to replenish his energy or had the Kyuubi gather it for him at a later point in time. So according to your logic, both Jiraiya and Naruto also have low stamina, and I think we all know that's complete horseshit and the polar opposite of reality.

Obviously Minato. He perfected Tobirama's techniques, was a prodigy never seen before, developed the most retarded jutsu ever and is downright smarter than Tobirama. The latter was never even shown to be able to transport objects or attacks the way Minato does, a technique arguably closer to Kamui than Hiraishin. Add sagemode, Rasengan, sealing techniques and a bunch of other shit and there's no way Tobirama could even compete.

Tobirama. Any other answer is wrong.

Tobirama easily

Naruto over time shown to enter Sage Mode quite quickly even without Shadow Clones, while for Jiraiya the most time he needed for his fight against Pain was for summoning those two, rather than for entering Sage Mode in itself.

>Tobirama not shown to transport objects
>Saved Minato's ass by bringing one of Obito's Truth Seeking Balls back to him

>tobifags

Why are people giving answers when we have no idea about most of their jutsu, only a vague guess at minato's physical power, and even less info about tobirama's?

Tobirama no question

Tobirama was killed by the hidden cloud. The hidden cloud considered minato to be unbeatable and had standing orders to retreat wherever he appeared, he also fought killer bee and the raikage simultaniously and brought it to at least a draw.

More importantly: who is the strongest person prime form Sarutobi could've defeated?

What versions are we talking about?
Edo vs Edo Minato takes it, because he has half on Kurama, KCM2, sage mode and better Flying Ryjin. Tobirama has what? Paperbombs and stuff?
Alive vs Alive is kinda more equal, because Tobirama has a lot of water style shit, but Minato still has Sage Mode and better flying ryjin.
Featwise it's kind of a joke, since Tobirama got dabbed on by Kinkaku and Ginkaku and their crew, and those two chucklefucks lost to fucking Darui. Fucking Darui.
>b-but muh 20 Akatsuki-level shinobi strike team!
Fucking bullshit. It was never stated that they were even S-rank. And how the fuck would those two jobber would even get 20 Akatsuki-level fighters in their crew, with their charisma? Get the fuck out.
>b-but muh Izuna
Young pre EMS Izuna. I mean fuck, maybe we should put him against 12y.o. Minato then.

Meanwhile Minato soloed 1k shinobi in the war, took on both Bee and Raikage and was about to style on both. He was also the only person to ever tag Obito in a straight fight (others being Konan with her trap and Kakashit with eyhax). He broke Kurama out of mind control, sent his tailed beast bomb away from the Leaf and selaed it back into himself and Naruto.

Tobirama was kind of a fucking jobber compared to the rest of hokage.

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I think it's a relevant factor to consider whether or not they're fighting as edo tensei zombies or as living beings. It's kind of a moot point to argue which edo tensei hokage would win since they can recover from almost any battle damage.

hiruzen was the god shinobi. only hashirama would be a worthy opponent

Edo vs edo minato wins because he can seal and tobirama can't.

>Jobirama fags

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Nah, he was upfront about minato being superior. Hiruzen was probably jiraya tier in his prime.

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tobirama stomps

Good post, but being fair, darui sealed them with a trick, he didn't defeat them in combat. He was also a proto raikage. But also, did they even have 9 tails chakra when they killed tobirama? Surely they must have.

Who's hotter is the real question.

>can't even break free from his own jutsu
>meanwhile based Hashirama can just flex out of it
I mean it's real fucking pathetic

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They did have the chakra already. Also there was a lot more than just them.

>Alive vs Alive is kinda more equal, because Tobirama has a lot of water style shit, but Minato still has Sage Mode and better flying ryjin.
Sage Mode isn't applicable mid-fight, he needs to prepare it like Naruto and Jiraiya did.
>Tobirama got dabbed on by Kinkaku and Ginkaku
He got killed by an entire army. Not to mention Tobirama's skillset isn't far more suited to dealing with humans than monsters like Bijuu with enhanced durability. If you want to talk speed, Tobirama could at least react to Juubito even while nerfed as Edo tensei and was considered the fastest in a world where Madara and Hashirama ran about.

>Edo vs Edo Minato takes it, because he has half on Kurama, KCM2, sage mode and better Flying Ryjin. Tobirama has what? Paperbombs and stuff?
Yes. Edo Minato schools.
>Young pre EMS Izuna.
Izuna was considered Madara's equal Pre-EMS. More importantly ANY MS user styles on the likes of the sannin.

>ANY MS user styles on the likes of the sannin.
Sauske lost to bee, drew with the raikage, lost to the mizukage, and barely won against danzo. Someone like jiraiya or pre-seal orochimaru would kick his ass

>Sage Mode isn't applicable mid-fight, he needs to prepare it like Naruto and Jiraiya did.
>closes eyes
>opens eyes
>perfect sage mode
>takes time
How the fuck?
>He got killed by an entire army.
You mean by a squad of 20 memesters and Memekaku/Jobkaku?
>Not to mention Tobirama's skillset isn't far more suited to dealing with humans than monsters like Bijuu with enhanced durability.
It's almost like Minato has the same shtick. Except he fought Bee and Raikage at the same time and at least pulled a draw if you want to lowball him, while Kaku-lads were only at 6tails level when boosted.
>was considered the fastest in a world where Madara and Hashirama ran about
He was the only one with Flying Thunder God. That's like calling Might Die the strongest 8 gate user in the entire narutoverse, because Guy wasn't a master yet.
>Tobirama could at least react to Juubito
Minato was distracted by the fact that it was Obito. Same would've happened if Obito took of his mask during attack on the Leaf back then.

>ywn have a cute hokage bf

>Sauske lost to bee
Immediately after he got the MS. Minato also fought Bee years before that period, or do you think people don't get stronger with time? Bee would also take a shit on the sannin.
>lost to the mizukage,
Now this is headcanon.
> barely won against danzo.
>Drew against raikage
So? Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
>Someone like jiraiya or pre-seal orochimaru would kick his ass
Genjutsu. GFG.
Orochimaru has a disgustingly bad track record against Uchiha.

>>takes time
Read the manga.
>You mean by a squad of 20 memesters and Memekaku/Jobkaku?
>2 Tailed beasts
>18 other Jonin of unknown strength
>Tobirama also has to cover his squad
Yeah, not seeing anything lamentable here.
>It's almost like Minato has the same shtick. Except he fought Bee and Raikage at the same time and at least pulled a draw if you want to lowball him, while Kaku-lads were only at 6tails level when boosted.
Bee never even used his bijuu modes. He attacked Minato with fucking tentacles. They were rookies here.
>He was the only one with Flying Thunder God.
What is your point?
>Minato was distracted by the fact that it was Obito
Bullshit.

>Immediately after he got the MS.
And you said ANY MS user. So is it or isn't is "any"?
>Now this is headcanon.
Nope, sauske was fucking losing to water milf and had to be bailed out by zetsu
>So? Is this supposed to be a bad thing?
Neither of those are god tier opponents, especially danzo, and thus your assertation that the MS is strong enough to style on the sanin is wrong
>Genjutsu.
Most uchiha don't have unbreakable genjutsu. Itachi and Shisui were unique in this regard, especially the latter, who could have manipulated his entire clan.
>Orochimaru has a disgustingly bad track record against Uchiha.
No, he has a bad track record against itachi fucking uchiha, who was as good as kakashi by the time he was 10 years old. He COULD dab on the sanin, not because he has the MS, but because he has a particularly broken susanoo, retarded genjutsu, and some of the best martial arts and weapon usage in the series.

someone's still sore his jobber brother got one shotted

Darui only beat them because Kinkaku and Ginkaku are fucking nearly retarded.

The Uchihas

Real talk, obito should have been misled about madara's history. It should have turned out that madara really did murder his little brother.

So, who is the most powerful character hype wise, and is it Hanzo the Salamander? Like before Naruto became about super eyes and bigger rasengans and the sannin were top tier, this was a guy who not only beat all three of them, but killed every other soldier who'd been with them. A guy so renowned that his nickname for them stuck even in the far flung corners of all the shinobi nations.

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Hahahahahahahahahaha Tobirama

Yeah, or at least put him out of his misery to steal his eyeballs. Itachi should have been evil too, but for some reason Kishi has a boner for giving the Uchiha's we see a sob story or some alternate reason for what they did. Why can't a motherfucker just be evil, or psycho?

Nah fuck off. Itachi being a secret good guy all along was well developed and played well into both his power set and behavior. Madara should have been more unambiguously evil though.

In terms of hype, the only shinobi stronger than Prime Hiruzen was Prime Hanzo.
>Hiruzen is the strongest of Five Kage
>Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage
>Hanzo was the strongest ninja Jiraiya has ever met, which includes Hiruzen

Minato could kill Bee at the cost of his own life, with being unable to kill A.
Tobirama died fighting 20 man team of high skill ninjas, including Kinkaku and Ginkaku, 2 S rank ninjas.

Why were most Rain Villages ninjas jobbers but then you have top tier level ninjas like Hanzo, Pain and Konan?

>And you said ANY MS user. So is it or isn't is "any"?
Any MS user doesn't mean a user at ANY point. But even using your logic, there's nothing bad here.

>Nope, sauske was fucking losing to water milf and had to be bailed out by zetsu
No cunt. He blocked with Susano'o and didn't even get to counterattack. Mei is a shitter of a kage with one trick. Not to mention Sasuke just finished fighting with Raikage.

>Neither of those are god tier opponents, especially danzo, and thus your assertation that the MS is strong enough to style on the sanin is wrong

But both of these guys are sannin level or above. Raikage especially. What was your point?

>Most uchiha don't have unbreakable genjutsu.
Itachi beat Orochimaru with baseline sharingan genjutsu. Which is shit-tier to Sasuke's MS genjutsu. Danzo had multiple sharingan and even he couldn't resist it completely, leading to his defeat.

>No, he has a bad track record against itachi fucking uchiha

Base Itachi Uchiha, who has worse eyes than Sasuke whenever they were on equal levels and without Tsukuyomi. The proof is that Sasuke and Itachi both had a sharingan battle at the start of their fight with genjutsu and they were even. Sasuke didn't even have MS at that point.

Orochimaru is trash to them.

He'd be a fucking Chad if he was given more screentime
>Literally invited all of the Shinboi nations to use Ame as a battleground and stomped everyone in sight, he was so fearsome that Orchi, Tsunade and Jiraiya all got their titles from simply surviving an encounter with him

Yes, but making Itachi a good guy gave Kishi all the leeway in the world to give him retarded powers we hadn't seen before.
>Kabutops can shut off his vision to counter the Uchiha sharingan
>lol, nope, here's a VISUAL genjutsu that you can see even if you're blinded
>lol, chakra mech bro
>lol, blade that can seal anything and a mirror that can block anything
This shit made the majority of his fans hype him up way too much, saying shit like 'Kishimoto wrote itachi out of the story because he would have beaten Madara' when he never said that.

How is this even a debate? Tobirama was never, during the entire series', even implied to be particularly strong. Nobody ever claimed for him to be particularly great. He's the only Hokage who never got praise. Even Tsunade was constantly called a prodigy because she was part of the Sannin. Minato is on an entirely different level. Hitlerfags need to leave. There's not a shred of evidence in canon that supports their fanfic shit.

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>But also, did they even have 9 tails chakra when they killed tobirama? Surely they must have.
They had it long before Valley of the End, because they attempted to capture Kyuubi. And were shown carrying Sage's weapons back then already, which puts them at monstrous chakra levels even without Kyuubi's chakra.

>literally who imigrant only relevant because hiraishin
>god descendant genius that invented hiraishin

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The Orochimaru who Sauce fought was one who's body was nearly about to kill itself from his presence though. That's the only reason Sauce chose to kill him when he did, because Orochimaru was at his weakest. I think it would have played differently if it had been a healthy Orochimaru, or one who at least had use of his arms and therefore his jutsu.

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Minato

Danzo fucking Hanzo over is the one thing I legitimately hate about Danzo. I don't even know why Hanzo would trust a leaf ninja more than kids from his own village either.

He's a big guy

They weren't his ninja, more like independent faction, and supposedly big part of the original Akatsuki were people who were disgruntled about Hanzo after he lost his old self.
Danzo fabricated evidence that Nagato killed Hanzo's men, which were actually Root members killed by Nagato that he planned to pose as Iwa nins.

One can only wonder about how much things would change if Hanzo would ally himself with Akatsuki and groom Ame trio as his successors. Also, it would be biggest fuck you towards Obito's and Zetsu's plans, because it would snatch a Rinnegan user he needed for the plan.

Except how Kishi retconned all the Kage numerous times. During the first part Hiruzen was said to be the strongest hokage ever, and the 'God of Shinobi'. Then it turns out, he isn't jackshit against fucking Hashirama. Or how Kishi's statement on Kakuzu fighting Hashi and not dying made it retroactively seem like he was a little bitch and Hashi spared him, because if Kakuzu fought the Hashirama after retcon he'd have been ass raped.

He could have too, if he hadn't listened to Danzo. Yahiko seemed to like the old Hanzo, and his dreams, and both Nagato and Konan just followed Yahiko pretty much on everything.

And yet, even after retconning, Tobirama was not once implied to be particularly strong, especially not compared to Minato. If anything, he was depicted as a clorified sensory type and support ninja with no actual offensive capabilities.

They didn't even got that nickname and fame because they survived. He gave them that nickname and ordered them to use that, because he intended to talk about them and refer them as heroes. Hanzo was basically creating legends on casual basis.
Probably the only time his opponent refused the offer and never gave Hanzo his name was Mifune, who asked Hanzo to leave his fellow samurai alone as a price for his life, instead of giving his name to become a legend. Mifune over time became a legend in his own right, as even Hanzo heard of him and that "Ninjutsu won't work on Mifune". That being said, Mifune asking Hanzo to leave his fellow samurai alone might be the reason why samurai of the Land of Iron are considered force equal to Shinobi Nations and are avoided by them, because if they managed to fight off Hanzo, who actually can defeat them?

Oh, and after Hanzo was wiping out armies of both Konoha and Iwa, and probably Suna too (Chiyo has faced him more than once and found way to nullify poison of his salamander) during the Second World War, the battlefields avoided Amegakure in Third Shinobi World War and instead fought in places like Kusa instead.

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Based and Amepilled

>uchiha hatin cuz my style is gucci

spotted the salty minatofag. Faggot

Make love not war.

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Tobirama wins.
Minato can't actually do shit versus infinite exploding tags and zombies.
Unless you're pulling some "Final Destination, no items, Fox Only" tier shit.

Remind me, how the fuck did someone managed to kill Tobirama and Hashirama anyways?

No, it's kind of obvious.

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Hashirama's death wasn't explained. We know he had at least the nine tails and maybe other tailed beasts sealed within him. It's possible he died after giving them away and giving the ninetails to mito. Tobirama was killed by the gold and silver brothers because he's a loser.

>Minato can't actually do shit versus infinite exploding tags
Apart from teleporting away, which isn't a problem for him since he's not warping like Obito.
>zombies
Why does Tobirama suddenly have access to corpses?

Or living sacrifices. Plus minato has sesling that's faster than edo tensei.

Tobirama fought against a special strike force that included 2 ninjas that belonged to the same group of of strongest ninja of their generation he belonged to.
Hashirama is unknown.

Hashirama died in peace time. Fast regeneration also kill you faster

>We know he had at least the nine tails and maybe other tailed beasts sealed within him.
He didn't though. Mito had sealed Kyuubi in herself, and Hashirama didn't needed to seal Bijuus in himself when he could keep them docile with Mokuton.
Seriously, that was the dumbest thing I have read in a while, and Sakurafags vs Hinatafags happen often.

Teleporting away is fine but Tobirama can also teleport so no matter where Minato goes, Tobirama can follow.
Sure Minato is faster at teleporting but that doesn't really mean shit with prep time.
Tobirama using Edo Tensei means he can just revive someone more suited to fighting Minato

The only way Minato wins is if the two are placed down in a tournament style setting without prep time but that doesn't adequately represent the powerlevels of both characters.

That's surprisingly anti climatic

How the fuck did Men Toe not get raped by Obito?

>Men Toe
Who?

One of the ninetails flashbacks implies that hashirama was his jinjuriki before mito. And do you have a better explanation for his death?

Obito's offensive power is unremarkable, about on par with kakashi.

Hashirama used regen too much and eventually met his hayflick limit. It's a miracle he even lived long enough to be a grandfather.

How did he even take that much damage that many times?

He fought Madara every day

And he always won, using long range wood jutsu.

That flashback only shows Hashirama talking to Kyuubi after he captured him. Do you seriously think someone needs to have Kyuubi inside of them to talk to him?
Also, Hashirama could regenerate wounds. It might have deteriorated his health.

By being established long dead even before Kakuzu mentioned he fought him, when it was still reasonable, long before power levels went off the charts.

Base Minato is on par with Tobirama, much faster and versatile but less firepower. If he was alive he could summon Ma & Pa to gather sage chakra.

Pa implied that Naruto surpassed Minato when he mastered Sage Mode, which means Minato couldn't really use Sage Mode in battle. Everything Minato said about his not using Sage Mode in battle suggests that Minato had bare minimum of stamina to be able to use Sage Mode at all, but not enough to effectively use it in battle.

>but less firepower
Is this some kind of elaborate meme?

All Base Minato has is rasengan. Tobirama has nuke tags and water style

He's not much faster. He has a more expansive use of FTG but that's teleportation, you don't quantify like that. What Minato had was a faster shunsuin than Edo Tobirama, who was slower and physically weaker than alive. And even then, as one user said, Tobirama's reflexes were still better than Minato's and able to tag Juubito.

Minato shows no canon ranged jutsu. His fighting style is entirely based on teleportation and close combat.

>All Base Minato has is rasengan
How is the strongest base jutus in the Narutoverse supposed to be low on firepower? It scales according to chakra used and once you're hit you're basically dead.

>all this headcanon backed by virtually nothing
Kek, you people. You're on the literacy level of One Piss fans and just make up shit as you go.

>How is the strongest base jutus in the Narutoverse supposed to be low on firepower?
Was this a joke?
>It scales according to chakra used
No it doesn't. This is literally why Naruto was forced to invent stronger, bigger or higher grade rasengans. It's no better or worse than Kakashi's chidori.

Read the manga:
-We know through Tobirama and Madara that Edos are weaker. Both of them mentioned that they were inferior.
-Tobirama outright says Minato's Shunshin is faster than his
-We SEE Tobirama land markings on Juubito after the latter attacked
Nothing I said there was headcanon, speedreader.

Minato couldn't get out of Orochimaru's Edo Tensei.
Orochimaru had to tap into Zetsu cells, which gave him Hashirama's chakra, to have chakra powerful enough to bind Tobirama once more. The only one there with chakra more powerful was Hashirama himself, Ashura's transmigrant and Mokuton user.

Well obviously Tobirama has more power than Minato. Just flexing his killing intent had EMS Sasuke shitting himself. But just stronger chakra isn't enough. Tobirama vs Minato will definitely be a skill/intelligence fight.

Tobirama wins by sheer fact of being able to name jutsus.
I bet that Rasengan was a name coined either by Jiraiya or Kushina, there's no way Minato would have named it something so simple.

>who was slower and physically weaker than alive.
It's almost like both were weakened by the Edo Tensei because they were literally ressed by the same person at the same time.
What the fuck, nigger?

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>Minato couldn't get out of Orochimaru's Edo Tensei.
Minato wasn't trying to do that? Also are you implying that fucking half of Kurama KCM2 Minato was weaker in raw strength than Tobirama? Get the fuck out with that bul, boi.
Minato wasn't on Orochimaru's radar because he was worried about Tobirama sperging out. Minato is a fucking sweetypie until it's murder o'clock. Then he becomes the John Wick of Narutoverse.

The 3rd crapped his pants at the thought of fight minato but 1v2 tobirama and hashirama

Madara

Based and Madarapilled

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All he has to do is Kamui you once and your fucked...

Different half of chakra, different effects carried.
Naruto had Yang half, which is related to physical, and had increased regeneration.
Minato had Yin half, which is related to mind, and we do not know what it does.

It is literally just the other half. When Minato gives Naruto the other half to revive him, literally nothing changes in regards to Kurama's power.

Minato has better speed and teleportation which is their bread and butter. Fire power doesn't really matter since none of them are super durable fighthers. A simple oodama rasengan would've killed Tobirama if connects. Minato takes this high diff.

Withour Buji: Tobirama due to Edo Tensei, and a greater chakra pool. Reminder that Tobirama killed Izuna who was Madara tier (pre edo tensei)
With Biju: Minato stomps

Didn't tobirama died to 20 jonins or something

That's because at that point Kishimoto clearly hadn't planned them to be overpowered monsters

S class jonins, even the likes of Jiraiya and B are technically jonin too.

>Meanwhile Minato soloed 1k shinobi in the war

This is pure fanfic nonsense.

It is, but then you hear how the 3rd. Raikage died, holding off 10k enemy shinboi so his own soldiers could get home. He fought for 3 days straight before he finally died of exhaustion.