Do you think Oda will give the villains a good reason for being villains this time?

Do you think Oda will give the villains a good reason for being villains this time?

Like the Yakuza boss simply doesn't want his country to lose its culture to immigrants like Europe

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Oda is a hack

Actually i dont think kyoshiro will end up staying the antagonist in the end. He seems like he can change sides easily and just wants to have an easy time.

>Like the Yakuza boss simply doesn't want his country to lose its culture to immigrants
Muh ebil immigrants isn’t a good reason retard.

>Good reason
>/pol/ retardation
kek

>Uncultured swine who knows nothing about japanese history is talking about shit he doesn't know.
This is your brain on /pol/.

If you don't realize Kyoshiro is on their side (SH's) at this point, then you're a thick headed idiot. He's fighting and getting in Zoro's way right now because they risk fucking up the plan to finally take down Kaido. If that buck-tooth idiot shogun is killed now, Kaido's gonna come out and start laying down the law before everyone's preparations are ready. Also if Kyoshiro betrayed now, he'd most likely waste his chance to strike at the most efficient opportune time.

Specially because Kaido is an evil immigrant/foreigner, and Orochi a hypocrite bitch

>simply doesn't want his country to lose its culture to immigrants
Except that Wano has ALREADY lost its culture to immigrants. Most of the Beast Pirates are filthy Gaijin, and they've almost destroyed the honorable samurai culture and are runing and polluting the land of Wano with their factories. But Oda for some reason still hasn't pointed out how contradictory that is.
He is trying to send a message that Japan needs to be more tolerant of foreigners, in a story in which foreigners have ruined Japan.

Maybe Oda's not a retard and knows that it's more nuanced than "all immigrants are evil" or "all immigrants are not evil"

Oda makes jokes about WW2 and goes to South Korea to watch soccer matches, he's the least likely to paint Japanese isolationism as a good thing. Also, One Piece villains, even the ones who have good motives, are serial dog kickers. Orochi gave fruits that caused brain damage to hungry people only for shits and giggles, and the modern Yakuza are pieces of shit compared with the honorable Yakuza from old times (which sounds like bullshit, since Yakuza are Yakuza, and organized crime is still crime despite how polite the criminal is, but whatever)

Then Oda should have that nuance be made explicit in his work. Maybe show that some of Orochi's men resent the presence of the Beast Pirates just as much as they resented Oden for his open borders policies.

>samurai culture
>honourable

>He is trying to send a message that Japan needs to be more tolerant of foreigners, in a story in which foreigners have ruined Japan

Yeah, but it only happened because they were isolationists in first place, allowing a piece of shit like Kaido to take over the country through a puppet ruler because they don't have allies in other countries, or even information about what's going on outside Wano. Even Orochi's allies probably didn't even know shit about Kaido, the Yonko or Doflamingo.

Them being cowardly hypocrites being okay with Kaido despite him being an immigrant because they get to live a life of luxury while the commoners are the ones who suffer is more accurate and realistic than what you're suggesting

At this point they are outnumbered and can't really protest, or Orochi already threw every dissident out of the capital in the 20 years he has been in charge. Anyway, when the samurai start their rebellion, I bet that even some of Orochi's men will join them.

Of course real samurai culture wasn't honorable, but Oda is clearly going with the premise that it was because that's what Japanese readers believe. You will never see a Shonen Anime or Manga portray Samurai like the disloyal assholes they actually were.

Seriously, this is some Animal Farm shit going on in Wano. Paying lip service to a convenient ideology that no one really believes in is very realistic, and by closing Wano to the outside, Orochi makes sure that he's the only one that gets to deal with the WG or any other power.

>You will never see a Shonen Anime or Manga portray Samurai like the disloyal assholes they actually were
Musashi in Baki was pretty accurate to the real one

Kinda like most western stories pretend that knights were chivalrous and brave, when they lived of bullying people that couldn't afford armor or warhorses?

Pretty much, but I've actually been seeing more and more negative/realistic portrayals of knights lately.

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That's because the west is having an obsession with "subverting" everything

>which sounds like bullshit, since Yakuza are Yakuza, and organized crime is still crime despite how polite the criminal is, but whatever
I agree, I have always loathed the "honorable yakuza" trope that is so omnipresent in Japanese media. It even affects works not set in Japan like Jojo, where Giorno's dream of being a "gangstar" is portrayed as noble rather than fucked up.
The Yakuza are criminals, they actively make society worse, they create most of the problems they supposedly solve.

>inb4 but the Yakuza helped out earthquake victims that one time

>Kyoshiro obviously has his own hidden agenda to assrape the shogun
>Some pirate faggots come to his land and ruin his plans
He literally did nothing wrong

>Perfect chance to just let the Shogun get killed by some mosshead gaijin
>Save Shogun's life

Also the yakuza games that became popular as fuck with 0. They are getting good pr out if that.

>That time when BoingBoing actually got Yakuza to play Yakuza and interview them

He could kill that dumb orochi at any time and easily get away with it. He is waiting for something specific before making his move.

Will Orochi die this arc or become a SMILE victim?

He's a DF user, if he ate a SMILE he would die.

>Giorno's dream of being a "gangstar" is portrayed as noble rather than fucked up
Organized crime is romanticized everywhere, ever heard of the godfather?
Even a show like The Sopranos which was supposed to make people understand being a gangster isnt fun had the opposite effect

>Oden wanted to force his ideal on the whole country
>he's portrayed as the good guy
Yet another reason why Wano is shit.

>"realism/historical accuracy is breaking my fairy tale vision of knights so its bad and subversive"
>imagine getting butthurt by history and facts