'I Wouldn't Be Allowed to Make Something Like Code Geass Nowadays'-Goro Taniguchi

And how is that working for them again?

Based.

Cringe moefaggot.

this. Even fucking attack on titan which is insanely popular has dogs devouring girls and suicide attempts.

But they're still making shit shows like Aldnoah Zero and Franxx though.

How can one post be so based?

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When will Yea Forums finally admit that moe has killed anime?

It might be a little more complicated than that, is it the users that killed the industry, or the producers?

>That hurts a bit

Guy's talking bullshit. The Japanese murderboner for sad endings literally killed Darling in the Franxx and heavily tarnshied Little Witch Academia.
Kemono Friends 2 showed us the single most crushing fall from grace ever simply because the faggot at helm took a turn for Evangelion town misery.
Eureka Seven got two new movis both of which keep pouring misery fuel on the sad dumpster fire that is Eureka Seven after the original happy ending. Houseki no Kuni ended on as sad a note as it fucking gets. Made in Abyss is practically suffering porn.
Irozuku, as fucking expected, again ended with a tearjerker sad ending for everyone involved.

Anime original stories are as edgy and cruel as they have always fucking been. I know, because I actually sigh in relief when I manage one that doesn't end up depressing in one way or another. And given Japan's reaction to stuff like Kemono Friends, they agree.

I didn't think CG was depressing either, but apparently the production committee as portrayed by director-kun did.

They're both at fault, just kill all the production agencies and Yuri/Fujo/Seasonal SoL fags, and take all the animators and let them make bizarre shit like it's 1982 again.

Code geass is literally full of moeshit you dense retard

Yeah, it always hurts seeing people unironically link ANN.

I think depressing endings are different from depressing elements. Like I couldn't see something like Texhnolyze or Welcome to the NHK being made today

Exec drones are completely out of sync with actual anime watchers, who would've thunk huh?

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I thought we agreed to genocide the moefags

The fuck are you retards even mumbling about? did you even read the post before shitposting?

They must be used as a sacrifice to ressurect anime with actual plots.

It was there to pander to the Fujos/moefags who can't handle Mecha/drama, and were the worst parts. Remember that CG literally has only TWO plamo kits, and this is a sunrise production we're talking about here.

Uh, what was sad about the ending of LWA? They team up, save the world, Akko finally flies.
Franxx was shitty because of the random changes to the course of the plotline, it was plenty dark from the start with the post apocalyptic setting
KF2 was going to be hated basically no matter what, didn't help that they ruined the characters
Plenty of the other ones are popular even though they're sad

Based クソ新人 poster

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The ending of GG depressin in any way.
>NHK
>technolyze
They keep doing this kinds of shit all the fucking time, just like newfags keep bitching about things all the fucking time, you retards keep saying the saying the same things that are been said ten years ago, nothing has changed whatsoever.

fuck off loser i've been here all summer.

I am honestly tired of anime with elements of Slice of Life anime that don't fully commit to Slice of Life. They all end up CW American TV show tier bullshit drama anyway.

You either fully commit to the slice of life, either to the fantasy, this half-assed shit is grating on me.

Yeah but motherfucker is talking about fucking Code Geass.

Name 1(one) anime that matched Texhnolyze since it came out.

While that's true, taking out stuff that only really took a turn for the bad with the end would remove Irozoku and stuff I mostly did not mention. Everyone else in there is filled with depressing elements.
Whether its the massacres, salvery of kids or rejections in Darling.
Little Witch's subplots about the shit going down in Dianna's family, the main hero turning kids into magical cripples, villain's destruction of the school.
Kemono Friends hits every single time with absolutely brutal handling of the dog friends, the Evanglion backstories of returning characters, etc.
Houseki no Kuni has the death of the ice mineral and the whole show is about Phos' descent into deepere and deeper depression.
Made in Abyss...

I've made the point clear enough, I think.

>I get told, 'Don't put depressing elements in'
There goes Suzaku

>can't handle mechadrama
Yeah sure, let's add elements to attract people who can't handle the main core of the show.
Mecha are the most otaku thing ever you imbecile, it goes very well with "moe".

>They keep doing this kinds of shit all the fucking time
Like those two specifically? No they most certainly do not. I wish there was another anime on the same level of NHK

I think he just meant anime like code geass in general.
Anime now is mostly just LN or manga ads, and the rare anime-original always has to rely on cute girls merchandise.
It's kinda sad.

The Japanese don't want oppression porn they want self insert iseakis

>matched
I don't think anyone can match in how shitty it was, but i'm pretty sure there's enough of this pretentious crap if you actually dig enough instead of being mindless drones who just jumps intobadnwagon.

Depressing anime are usually masterpieces.
Happy anime are forgotten like your pre-teen birthdays, you know they happened, you just can't remember anything important about them.

So you don't understand what you're talking about then, gotcha.

Because it's about the Japanese being the ones put under the heel and enslaved and genocided not fantasy Jews

>Yea Forums pines for an earlier time
>hur dur you weren't around then, confirmation bias, cherry picking

>industry professional pines for an earlier time
>hur dur washed up, hack, doing it for publicity

Every. Fucking. Time

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There's a reason clamp did the character designs, user.

SAO

Name one that matched it before.
Seriously, shit like this is anecdotical, shit like this is not constant and happends once in decades at best, bitching about anime not being as good as it was by comparing le newer shows with older shit like technolyze/monster is retarded because you completely ignore the fact that that was not typical shows of that time, just an exeption.

Berserk 2016

>spoonfeed me
>>>/reddit/

How well is SNK doing this season?
This season should be a perfect dish for action fags.
If this season sells bad, it's proof that the director is alright and nobody in Japan gives a shit about edgy anime anymore.

Manga always has a niche everywhere because it's so much cheaper to publish.

So you suck dicks? gotcha.
I've been listening to dumb newshits like you with their dumb complaints over decades, shit like technolyze is not a standart for anime shows in that decades, and yeah it's pretentious shit, just fuck off, kill yourself with the rest of your losers who keep whining on imageboards because you need some self-validation for your shitty hobby, go read a book and stop watching anime if you think it's shit, yeah it's shit, now fuck off.

>implying he's not talking about doing stuff that production committees think will make people not buy merch.

You can never really compare anime originals to adaptations.

Kuma Miko.

Pretty sure Yea Forums is not a hivemind.
And yeah, in both cases, it's just dumb nostalgiafaggotry.

I know right how dare people be critical of a medium when they view it as squandering it's own potential to satisfy production committees.

I think the most hilarious complaint is that anime is too commercialized and profit-based nowadays when decades ago anime was filled with mechashit and toyshit and since there were much fewer shows there was nothing else to watch.

Date a Live season 3

90% of a show's success is its marketing and generating fan hype. Does it -really- matter if it's depressing, or slice-of-life, or moe and waifu shit?

myanimelist.net/anime/1639/Koe_no_Katachi

>le ebin enlightened cynic
Don't tip that fedora too hard, it might fall off

And almost every single mecha show had the directors actively fighting against the commercialisation aspect of it. To the point that Tomino regularly lied to committees about how shows. And the first thing he does to most directors he talks to is tell them not to let the company/committee push them around.

>successful person desires real material
>lowly drone wants his grovel

Impossible, code geass is utter shit, like most of the animes airing right know, so it would probably have no problem airing together with the isekai garbage that we have now.

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texhnolyze is a boring piece of shit.

"Grovel" is not a noun, ESL-kun.

>animes
lurk 2 years before posting

The only time anime was had a bunch of passion projects was during the bubble economy of the 80s and the rise of the OVA market, but I somehow doubt these guys are sitting through hours of ultraviolent arthouse and porn.

> I couldn't see something like Texhnolyze or Welcome to the NHK being made today

>They keep doing this kinds of shit all the fucking time

>you completely ignore the fact that that was not typical shows of that time, just an exeption.

>shit like technolyze is not a standart for anime shows in that decades

So not only can you not name a single show that matches Texhnolyze despite claiming that this kind of show is very common and happens all the time, you also contradict yourself by saying that this kind of show doesn't happen all the time and it's stupid to expect such a thing. You've also completely diverted from the original point being that it's increasingly more difficult for these kinds of shows to be made. I don't give a shit if you don't like Texhnolyze or not, but your argument is terrible and you have no idea what you're talking about.

Sad reply. I was hoping someone would challenge my statement and say, for example, that merchandize and Bluray disc sales make up a lot of the profits too, and you can only get those if the show is actually liked. But no you just gave a reddit answer

I miss early 2010's trainwreck shows like Guilty Crown and Valvrave.

Eromanga-sensei

That's because he's a cuck. Gundam IBO was made by the same studio and the Char proxy was literally a child sextoy for his adoptive father. There were more than few scenes suggesting that boys walked the streets on Mars as prostitutes (including the Char clone before being adopted), and the entire cast is a bunch of child soldiers who were abused daily and killed or got killed while serving as armored cavalry mercenaries on Mars. And in the end several of them eat shit and die and the antagonist of S2 straight up wins cleanly against everyone after manipulating rebellions, the main cast's company itself, and even his fellow councilmen and literally becomes the president of a reformed state.

He's only saying that because he was the retard who saw Gundam through its lowest performing entries, X and Wing, so Sunrise won't let him touch another Gundam property again even though it has the brand power to do whatever the fuck it wants on TV

I disagree Kyousougiga is the greatest anime of all time

>criticial of medium
You just want shit to pander to you, which is nothing but brainwashing of crappy western standarts, you don't know shit about good writting to criticize anything.
You just a pretentious faglord who's in need for some self-validation as exuse to watch his shitty cartoons, go read a book and fuck off.

It a show in which the 11s get wrecked by the British, and also get saved by a British person. What did 11s accomplish by themselves in code geass? Their rebel leader ohgi hands over power to the first anglo to show up and say your my bitch now and then betrayed him as he was about to save them from anglo rule because another anglo tricked him. The other 11 trying to save them was a retarded bootlicker plus he nuked japan. Code Geass is depressing cause it shows the Japaneses for the worthless 11s we all know they are.

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From 2018 the main pair of FranXX dies and in Devilman Crybaby everyone dies. The guy's just a faggot.

>fujob8 elements = depressing
lolol, good job proving his point.

>40 minutes ago
>77 posts
nigga calm down

Mate, the studio in question is an outsourcing/inbetween house.
The animator is in the one junior position that is available. It's the studio's director who is the washout who could never make it into a real animator and is stuck doing inbetweens all his life.

I was starting to get the impression something like this was going on behind the scenes. I'm all for light hearted media, I usually prefer it but variety and creative freedom is what's going to allow for masterpieces to accidently happen.

I don't like the way the trends of the mass consumers have been going recently. Those trends are putting a stranglehold on creativity. Disney didn't stop making 2D animation for any other reason that people weren't interested in paying to watch it anymore, compared to CGI and CGI/live action blends. Entire genres have died out as interests have wayned over time. And now we're apparently at the point where media that interrupts hugbox escapist fantasies are unwise to invest in.

I don't like this.

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Hey, when economy was booming, cities weren't too crowded, people was happy, they can watch depress shit,. Now economy is stagnant, people are overworked, virgins are everywhere, they just want escapism

IBO used all that as window dressing and it had all the impact of a wet fucking noodle.

I'm firmly from the Pauline Kael school of thought though. "Movies (Anime in our case) are so rarely great art, that if we cannot appreciate great trash, we have very little reason to be interested in them." Though it's interesting that you have to postulate that I don't know how to see good writing, why do you feel the need to try and reduce me to the position of someone who can be dismissed rather than engage? And to add, the idea that "you want things to be more akin to your taste" is not a meaningful observation. Congratulations, everyone wants that. So what?

Also this just bugs me, in no way am I trying to denounce your point based on this. but it's "standard" not "standart"

When the economy was booming people were making ultraviolet machismo porn you utter jizz necklace

This. But we have to ask ourselves if trends born from our tastes or rather shaped by them.

>this thread
I can't tell who's serious and who's baiting, it's all goddamn awful.

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As someone that worked in marketing once said. "Give me enough money and I'll have men buying tampons"

>Guy who made a shitty anime claims today they wouldn't let him make his shitty anime
What does this tell you about anime? Fuming garbage is regarded as some niche artsy work that the current industry is not interested in anymore. How shitty does current anime have to be for this to be true?

Nice shitpost but Geass is depressing because it speaks of heavy subjects like nationalism, drugs, and of course terrorism. Making the protagonist a foreigner and the rivantagonist the eleven + giving a lot of focus to foreigners settlers included was the only way for the show not to fall into full blown nationalistic propaganda with the premise it had.

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They made pretentious crap like that all the time, go dig for le good shows on your own if you actually want to watch it instead of being pretentious cunt.
>matching technolazy
In what way exactly matching? animation and ost where all kinds of meh, visual directing as well, story goes all kinds of places as well.
So what exactly so special about it?
>claiming that the show is common
I did claim the exact opposite you dumb cunt, my point was that they do make these type of shows once in a while, but it's not like a standart tv show, is that too hard for ya brainlest to get?
You retards just need to get one thing, anime is shit, cheap retarded shit made to sell shit, not some arthouse, they at best make some of those once in a decade, but you just act like you are special snowflakes and anime need to panders to you.
You all comes off as bunch of kids who just wanna show off, because they entered into this shitfest of weaboo crap with nothing but delusions.
So stop having delusions, grow up, have kids and mediocre job, stop whining about anime, because we don't care, because it's annoying, because you just sounds retarded, because you are retarded.

Got the name even. Rodger Roser, president of The Eisen Agency.

"People like me get paid a lot of money to understand customer and consumer behavior," Roeser says. A lot of that money goes into research and finding the best way to send messages to consumers. He says that, whether we like it or not, we're conditioned from an early age to pay attention to these messages. "Very smart, creative, crafty people are tweaking your brain to get you to want something or buy something," Roeser says. "And while you might think you're arriving at the conclusion completely on your own, I promise you, marketing played a role in some way."

>IBO used all that as window dressing and it had all the impact of a wet fucking noodle.
As opposed to Code Geass which played the massacre by Euphemia as a joke? IBO was far more serious in how it handled its "depressing" issues

He would absolutely be allowed to make something like Code Geass nowadays.

To begin with, Code Geass was uninspired and risk-free. The author basically just re-hashed the wildly successful Death Note but in a different setting and with some normie-friendly elements like romance-subplots (that lead nowhere).
It's basically exactly what big anime studios want, because they hate taking risks and love easy money.

>edgy for the sake of it
That describes code geass pretty well user

>nhk
>level
What level you retard? the show was a mediocre adaptation of LN.
And what i'm talking about is that they do these sort of pseudo realistic le depressing mambo jambo for wankers to wank off as if they actually understand anything about it

You literally said
>They keep doing this kinds of shit all the fucking time
Your point is not that it isn't common or you wouldn't say something so completely contradictory.

>In what way exactly matching? animation and ost where all kinds of meh, visual directing as well, story goes all kinds of places as well.
Thanks for, once again, confirming that you don't know what you're talking about. The rest of your post is fluff. Trying to make yourself look like you know what you're talking about by throwing out random insults doesn't accomplish anything.

>IBO was far more serious in how it handled its "depressing" issues

But it wasn't, I cannot see any way in which anyone can take the constant re-utterance of "Human debris" as if it was a serious concept. Especially when they're basically giving it as a nonsensical version of much more real concepts. Alienation is a pretty well understood thing but IBO's take on it was childish.

Texhnolyze is one of a kind you moron

I was wondering about that, as I was making that post. How much push and pull there is between producers and consumers in shaping trends in anime production?

I'd say its far more slanted towards the consumer being in control. Using Disney as an example again, they can produce the coolest thing they ever made (IMO) with treasure planet, just an absolute treat for the world do see but if the consumers don't give a fuck about it, they'll never be able to justify doing that again.

> impact of a wet fucking noodle.
True but irrelevant, it still happened.

To be fair if I recall correctly IBO started development 10 years before it aired. So if the basic premise of both childsoldiers and Choco's backstory were already set in stone and greenlighted back then, that doesn't prove Taniguchi wrong.

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Markets don't emerge in this field, they're created and cultivated. You tell them what they want, then you provide it.

I don't fully buy into this, The last couple of years hasn't been full SoL happy happy anime at all so I don't know where he is getting this from.
Just give me R3 TV anime you little milker.

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You're saying this as if that wasn't every single Gundam show made every other year.
The thing people found entertaining about Code Geass over Gundam was LeLouch and his "all according to keikaku" antics.

For everything else, the guy could just go to Bandai and ask to direct the next Gundam show or OVA/ONA.
Of course, that would require him being good at his job since Bandai can pick applicants.

More like you'd be hard-pressed to accept a two-cours series at the very best because anything longer than that would be too risky., while original CG basically ends on a main characters only "resolution" and naturally teased R2.
The shorter the series, the harder it is to make a product aiming to reach the general public and promote merchandise if you brutally kill important waifubait characters.

I don’t understand how the guy who made planetes somehow ended up making garbage like geass

>serious concept
Did you even watch the show? It was slang for child soldiers in the outer sphere (colonies and Mars, hence the space "debris" part), particularly orphans. The law at the end of the show was to abolish the enslavement and use of children in warfare. I don't think you've even seen the show. It's not great but it carries itself far better than Code Geass does by a long mile.

How the fuck is Code Geass remotely similar to Death Note?

>Old man complains about how things were better in the old days!

No one gives a shit, this doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of anime with depressing and violent elements, it all depends on the production company behind it. If he is working for Toei then yea they probably wouldn't want genocide as a theme in the next Precure anime, but to say "depressing things" are taboo indyustry wide is fucking retarded when we have SnK, Made in Abyss and tons of other extremely graphic and depressing shows making tons of money

Treasure planet is a weird case because Disney basically threw the ball on that one and didn't want it to succeed from the very start. They did next to zero marketing for it and few people even knew it was out when it was. Not a good example. It probably would have been a hit had it received the same treatment as the rest.

Lelouch is just a char clone.

>that a series with with "depressing" developments like Code Geass is much harder to greenlight nowadays compared to 10 years ago.

AoT, Madoka and Re:Zero are some of the biggest anime of the decade and have their fair shares of depressing elements.

Not really.

nice bait

>To begin with, Code Geass was uninspired and risk-free. The author basically just re-hashed the wildly successful Death Note

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>correctly IBO started development 10 years before it aired
Wasn't aware of that. Regardless they still adapted Char's book from The Origin as both an OVA and recut TV show with the same content, and it's literally "crazed psychopath betrays everyone". And they just played NT in theaters.

>the constant re-utterance of "Human debris" as if it was a serious concept
How exactly wasn't it a serious concept? Just because you might find the word itself funny or the execution lacking doesn't exactly make the concept of orphaned child soldiers with lead between their vertebrae any fun.

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Not him but
>Morally ambiguous high school MC who is a top student at an elite school and is overly concerned with JUSTICE
>Obtains an extremely powerful ability out of the blue that allows them to force their will onto someone but also comes with many restrictions that play a key role in how the power is used
>Said power comes with a mystical sidekick who is all-knowing about the power and also seemingly has an ulterior motive but nevertheless follows the MC around
>MC must hide his identity at all cost while also still going about their daily life and thus the whole plot revolves around how the MC can hide their identity while carrying out their JUSTICE

It's the exact same themes in both shows, the execution is different but the core premise is the exact same

Alienation and socialisation are real though, and those are what you would actually experience. The show never engaged with them, it created this bizarre strawman idea about it and then treated it as window dressing. Now I'll be generous on this and say yes, they're Japanese and don't realise how fucking dumb "Human debris" works when you're going to use it the way they did and with the frequency they did. But fundamentally they just never engaged with their own decisions.

>The Japanese don't want oppression porn they want self insert iseakis

You are dumb and stupid. Nips love depression ad uplifting stories. They would rather have good stories than the same old isekai formula.

I was contrasting the real world concepts behind it with their childish nonsense take on it. Sorry if it didn't come across properly.

Suzaku is just a (retarded) Amuro clone.

Mai Hime is better than Code Geass but I can bet you that zoomers and even boomers don't know about Mai Hime nor it's big presence around Yea Forums

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any story will sound similar to any other story if you iron out enough details to make it vague you mentally ill troglodyte

geass took inspiration from a lot of things, that's how all stories work. they build off what came before and change up the ways it actually works.

>the core premise is the exact same
this isn't even true because death note is showing about how power corrupted light into doing objectively evil things while lelouch's goals are presented as good and the main failings of his character are that he makes mistakes along the path (while light perfectly executes his villiany the whole series until the shitty rushed ending where the author realizes he can't let him actually get away with it)

What a salty bitch, he's just mad he hasn't done anything notable since CG

>"I-it's not my fault, the studio is holding me back!"

Damn, I can see the pattern with anime now.

Ow the edge.

>Moefags seething

I didn't find it childish but the show did give me the impression it was looking at this concept it introduced from the outside. Like Kudelia was the audience surrogate and the show was always trying to make us be like "oh the poor babies, so sad". It was kinda annoying. I often wished the show would present us the misery in a more raw and casual way. I feel that would have been more effective than dwelling on it everytime like they did.

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Meanwhile at Contrarian Studio™
>casually kills children and/or their mom /dad /daddyboyfriend
>casually makes 13+1 episodes of nothing but heavy emotions
>casually plans to kill the protagonist on the sequel
lmao fuck the 'obsessive fan market'

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Who are you quoting

Then sucks to be him.

>any story will sound similar to any other story if you iron out enough details to make it vague you mentally ill troglodyte
There wasn't any vagueness you fucking retard, that was a very specific setup. Name 3 more anime that all follow that exact same plot line, I'll wait

>this isn't even true because death note is showing about how power corrupted light into doing objectively evil things while lelouch's goals are presented as good and the main failings of his character are that he makes mistakes along the path
That's the conclusion not the premise, notice how I said the execution is different. The premise, from episode 1, paints Lelouch as the same morally ambiguous type as Light. Both of them have near exactly the same personality. it isn't until much later in the series as their characters develop that Light becomes pure evil and sadistic and Lelouch becomes more empathetic. Originally both are very much sociopaths

Except Lelouch deals with social justice while Light deals with criminal justice.

ASP GOING OVER BROTHER

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Child soldiers are a serious concept but you just want to box it into some gushy box because you're a dumb mongoloid whose knowledge on it goes back maybe a few decades. Even as shortly as WWII we had kids faking their ages to go die in the frontlines whereupon they had no one to rely and it was kill or be killed. During WWI countries like Britain even teamed up with feminists to pressure fucking kids to go fight and die and no one gave a shit until after warsd when they decided they needed to pretend to be more civilized than the germans. IBO isn't trying to approach child soldiers from an overly safe and deluded bubble of a safe society that pretends people go to war because they weren't socialized correctly. From the perspective of the kids they're borderline feral animals doing what they need to do to survive.

You sound like the kind of peabrained retard that believes that old study about soldiers refusing to fire on each other. Even though there was serious doubt cast on it to begin with and was never taken seriously until it started being memed. Meanwhile even today we literally learn every other week that western soldiers did some heinous, borderline serial killer shit to some poor peasants living out in the world's ultimate shithole, not even to survive but just because they could. And we heard the same thing throughout Vietnam, and WWII, and WWI. The numbers don't agree, and neither does history because it's fucking documented that armies used to slaugther each other with abandon and then gather up survivors and skin them alive or kill them and then fling their rotting bodies at encampments and forts.

Gundam is a Star Wars tier franchise in Japan. Geass is an original work. You can't compare the struggles they go through to greenlight something.

people still dont get the difference between adaptations and originals
SNK, sugar life and AKG are all adaptations of popular manga
And he was talking about shows like CG

>users
>producers
Neither, it's the executives above the producers who are too shortsighted to see there's a massive international market out there ready and willing to consume their products. Instead of attempting to branch out in a meaningful way they stick this hardcore, obsessive fanbase that they know will buy merchandise. Netflix is going to sweep the industry with their originals and capture the international market, and the Japanese, the xenophobic fucks many of them are, are going to be sitting there, left in the dust as we justly take their own medium and accomplish with it what they were never able to because of their lack of foresight.

Wasn't geas made by some guy named ichiro or something?

I've read the letters from the kids that went to the trenches in WW1. That's one of the reasons I think they're insulting the concept of it by how "mild" everyone in IBO is. But that's not what I mean about socialisation, I mean that you have kids who have literally never known normal life being able to act like they have. Like the extend that some of them are messed up is "oh we never learned to read".

Most of what you're talking about is just baseless postulation and some weird ranting about your beliefs.

>Geass is an original work. You can't compare the struggles they go through to greenlight something.

You absolutely can given that Geass is a Bandai original. It's the Gundam people getting together and deciding they'd want to do something different. Just like Cowboy Bebop and a plethora of other classics.

Shitcom

That's like saying Psycho Pass has anything to do with Kurokock or SNK. It's completely retarded.

I want some variety. My seasonal viewing habits have quickly become whatever the most unconventional shows happen to be.

True, but what's disturbing about this fact, is that many years after Code Geass' release, they decided to make another sequel to try and milk it just a bit more. Most people have lost interest in Code Geass at this point, so what is even the point of making a sequel to it when they could easily pick a more suitable franchise to milk. The level of incompetence executives in the industry display is almost disturbing.

Lelouch's goal, crushing Britannia, was presented as good, but he ended up getting tons of people killed along the way. I think the first time he used his geass, it was to issue a command to people to kill themselves. A bunch of armed men threatening him. He could have told them to go away and they couldn't have resisted his geass, but instead he ordered them to kill themselves. He didn't care about their lives because they were Britannians. Sound familiar?

Morally speaking, the only difference between Lelouch and Light is that Lelouch was at war and so you can argue that he wasn't straight up murdering people unprovoked. The people he killed are just casualities of war. But when Lelouch is the one who started half of the wars and battles in Code Geass, well, then that's a different story.

based

Can you blame them? Usually these days original anime with "depressing developments" have been nothing but absolute garbage and done in ways that pisses off their audience rather than actually entertain them.

I never saw Lelouch's goals as ethically sound and didn't feel they were presented to us that way, both Code Geass and Death Note were very morally gray series, which is a good reason why they were so interesting and liked.

It was a different time

I don't know what the hell he's smoking, but anime with depressing and dark elements are still very common. Just in the past few years there have been plenty of clusterfucks in the exact same style as Code Geass. They see varying success, but nothing would imply they're becoming banned from the industry. I'm sure there are producers who have something in mind and want to influence their product, but that doesn't make it a secret conspiracy to produce nothing but cute girls doing cute things till the end of time.

>Code Geass
>depressing
Either that's a hellishly misleading translation, or you need to grow up, user.

If you remove the people that actually buy and fund the anime you don't like, you aren't going to suddenly get anime you like. It will just remove that other anime and the industry shrinks drastically.

Only the OVAs.

Ikr? Code Geass is not depressing. The relationship between me and my family is depressing.

It was, K-On hit the scene and its ludicrous levels of success practically destroyed the creative integrity of the entire industry; few series now ever make an attempt to step outside the comfort zone of their formulaic structures.

It's not just anime, it's entertainment everywhere.
The people with the money would rather have moderate but consistent returns than take a chance on something that innovates.

Watch more anime faggot.

Not really though, they want ALL the money. This is why the AA space has vanished in video games, and the "middle" movies in cinema, you have the 10 million dollar movies, and the 300 million, the centre space is just dying.

>I think he just meant anime like code geass in general.
That's even more retarded since CG was a gundam ripofc and we still get plenty of those.

>I mean that you have kids who have literally never known normal life being able to act like they have

Like people who are still at war and go around killing to survive? They're normal enough to be entertaining, but hardly normal. The only thing that's particularly strange is that they're very high functioning but that's a given because they need to be able to drive the plot forward and in itself isn't impossible. Otherwise they're a bunch of little monsters who are codependent on their leader and almost break down when he dies.

>I've read the letters from the kids that went to the trenches in WW1
As have I. Most are overwhelmingly polite and cordial, and usually a description of affairs. In fact many are downright boring even after their position gets shelled or their friend gets shot in the ass twice in a week. I'm curious as to what specifically you're talking about here like it's some sort of big deal that IBO is missing.

The overwhelming impression I get from you is that you don't actually know what you're talking about. And you think the natural state of humans is to avoid any killing or have spazzing mental break downs from having to shoot a man, and that PTSD affects 99% of veterans or whatever usual bullshit comes up when pop culture needs to popularize issues.

And that's not Code Geass either. Everything about it was marketed to appeal to otaku.

Of course we do, Gundam is a loved franchise and still makes a good amount of money off of merchandising, Sunrise will milk that cow until its tits are dryer than the Sahara desert. But how many mecha series that come out have seen the same success as Gundam? None. There has never been another mecha franchise as popular and that sells as well as Gundam. You used to have other entries here and there that would make a bit of money, sell a few models and garner some interest, but now? Every new mecha franchise that comes out performs very, very poorly, even if they attain some popularity as a show, they fail to make ends meet through merchandising and inevitably die.

>Don't put depressing elements in
But this season we have Senko-san, the most depressing anime in a while.

>In fact many are downright boring even after their position gets shelled or their friend gets shot in the ass twice in a week.

What? there is a clear progression from the adventurist tone of the first few weeks to when they actually hit the trenches. It stops being a game very quickly, and there are some harrowing accounts. Many people never re-integrate from active deployment, you might notice how utterly fucked up Europe was for decades after the war. This is often considered now by modern scholars as this failure to re-integrate.

And your historical basis is beyond flawed, DE Re Militari's advice on giving battle can be summed up in a word. "Don't" J. Gillingham's paper "Richard I and the science of war in the middle ages" is a useful example of the many ways historians have often ignored the forest for the trees.

Was code gayass ever good?

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Most movies are probably that middle space you're talking about. You just didn't hear about it or pay attention to it because of weak marketing. Like Pacific Rim had a $180 million budget, the new Godzila had $170 million. Almost right in the middle of your categories

sarazanmai

Code Geass doesn't have a sound narrative, even its sakuga pales in comparison to a lot of other sakuga. It was good for its characters and good for the memes, taking a bit of an edgy attitude but playing fun with it. It was fun to watch and experience with the rest of the community. In contrast to a series like Death Note, it never took the edge too far, whereas Death Note took edge and fucked it up the ass until it became comical.

>retard brings up history, gets BTFO by a historian
>uh go to the history board

>To be fair if I recall correctly IBO started development 10 years before it aired
That's irrelevant given how much was changed during the actual production of the show as it aired. Nips actually hated how edgy IBO was and Choco's character in general was poorly recieved by them among most aspects if IBO.

not gut but fun

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I'm not that user, nor do I give a shit about you being a "historian", go and create a thread on and talk about it there. The thread topic is the anime industry, not the psychological impact of trench warfare on soldiers.

Why was Suzaku at the soup store?

I don't think they hated that it was edgy in particular, rather they hated execution of the edge itself. For contrast, take a look at Gundam 00, it was pretty edgy and had characters die but everyone still relatively enjoyed the show because it was executed well.

Mars of Destruction

Not really

I'm going to kick it.

>"I get told, 'Don't put depressing elements in.' The production committee is separated from the fans, and they don't know what will or won't be a hit."
Fafnerfags laugh.

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That also includes the majority of Yea Forums. The amount of retarded newfags I see on here complaining about "ironic weebs" and normies when someone tells them their shit sol shows are shit is nauseating.

>both Code Geass and Death Note were very morally gray series,
The creators of DN outright said Light is the villian and by the end there should be no question that his way was wrong. In CG is more so that nothing really challenges Lelouch morally even though he's a bastard it takes his parents being even bigger pieces of shits that he sees that his ambition is for naught.

Pupa

>few series now ever make an attempt to step outside the comfort zone of their formulaic structures.
Stuff like that was considered risky even before K-On.

Hey, most of /jp/ is indeed shit but it's a good place to discuss VNs (especially untranslated ones for anons who know moon)

>normies
>calling people newfags

If the producers really think that, they're retarded because stuff like that will still sell, and has always sold.

I'm 100% sure it's an another ANN mistranslation.

>professional anime news site
>mistranslation
Pick one.

Why did they make his hair black?

Obviously, especially for long-running franchises like Gundam or CGDCT shows, but that risk was taken far more often back then than it is today. Even newer mangaka are less inclined to explore genres past the basic structures. We used to have a really nice variety of different manga come out, a lot more seinen on average too, but most artists and writers have been cornered into Isekai, CGDCT and particularly shonen demographic series now.

How many original anime with depressing elements sold well and wasn't a fucking trainwreck since Madoka?

I don't think he's wrong that code geass wouldn't get made today, but thats because its an original mecha series that had 50 episodes.

Madoka

Americans. Britannia is AU America after the royal family goes there. Britain is in the EU. The "main" show never explicitly states this but sidestories do (and if you look at the maps you see that for most of the series Britannia doesn't include Britain).

Its over mechabros, the moefags won

True. I just remember Nips really hated that Choco was a victim of child abuse/rape.

we're taking anime back in the next decade

>calling (((ANN))) professional
kys
>It's an ANN Thread
mods

not if mecha continues being a fucking laughing stock of bad writing.

SEED DESTINY

WEW LAD
10/10 TASTE

So? I just want genocide

user.....

Nigger you don't have to make excuses to want a genocide you pussy.

If Netflix does it won't it cease to be anime? It'll be american web television

Yea Forums genocide when?

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well /jp/ is practically the only place to discuss vn's, I can't imagine people using /vg/ unironically

All anime english news sites are leftist nonsense who push for censorship with their opinion pieces

Anime is defined by its aesthetic, not by who produces it. I don't think anyone but the most autistic idiots would argue that, for instance, the Castlevania series doesn't fall under anime even though it was produced in the west.

Hey, don't use racist words outside of Yea Forums please, I love you

Yeah but do they want it where they, the Japanese are specifically the ones invaded and oppressed

You can't even discuss Castlevania on here, so I do wonder, if a bunch of nips produced a show over here, would it count as anime allowed to be discussed on here? As it goes right now, you apparently can't

He isn't wrong. Not because Code Geass is super dark or anything, although the TV series does end with the death of the protagonist, but because non-adaptation works (so all examples from manga are not applicable) do primarily seem to be focused on lighthearted stuff and slice-of-life these days.

You can discuss Castlevania on here, there were some threads up while it was airing, but those autistic idiots I mentioned earlier will undoubtedly come into the thread and shitpost about it not being anime because it wasn't produced in Japan. The rest of the world disagrees with them, and eventually they will have to cede to popular opinion.

Gundam IBO is not an original IP. It's just repeating the same thing that Gundam has done before. It's not a risk anyone is taking.

Taniguchi isn't saying that it is impossible to make new, original shows with depressing elements.

Only that you get pushback from the producers while doing so, because they think it might not make a hit.

"Nigger" is only racist if you're american

I saw their thread get deleted twice yesterday, first was on topic and the second was asking why it was deleted
Idk what's going on, I'm just noting

Devilman Crybaby is Netflix. Not representative of Japanese TV.

Franxx wasn't as successful as it could have been, arguably, and mostly got approved because of the Trigger connection and the Evangelion riffs.

just turn Lelouch into a jap getting Isakaed to a parallel earth and give him a harem, bam insta greenlit

Like Kemurikusa, Egao no Daika, Thunderbolt Fantasy, Revue Starlight, Planet With? Just running down some of the more recent originals I've watched. None of them are actually depressing but they aren't "lighthearted slice of life" either.

Oddly enough, we use american racist guidlines as opposed to international ones, theoretically saying negro is racist in america, despite being an actual word for color

That's because it isn't a word in your vocabulary if you aren't.

I'd question that. Code Geass type shows haven't always worked out, so it's not as mechanical as you claim. The show wasn't really expected to be a hit by Sunrise or the sponsors either.

That just means a mod is one of those autistic idiots. Yea Forums counts for a relatively small portion of the overall anime viewer base, as much as Yea Forumsnons would like to think otherwise, our general opinion doesn't have an effect on the industry or what is considered anime.

He has made a lot of different shows. If anything, that's a good thing, because you can choose to like some and not some of the others. There's variety.

Well a bunch of old cartoons like Ducktales and Tiny Toons were made in Japan but you still can't discuss those here, so

Madoka was Urobuchi + Shinbo. That's hardly commonplace. It's an exception, not the rule.

I'm a free spirit sweetie, I use whatever words I want. Or is anyone who uses the word "fag" an actual homophobe too? Or just using the word because it rolls of the tongue well in certain situations?

It's good, but overhyped.

Eh, the sakuga was fine. The characters were the focus, not the narrative, so that was on point.

>Tiny Toons
>Ducktales
>Made in Japan
They had Japanese releases, but I don't think they were made in Japan. I'd like to see your source and I hope it isn't just "Dude trust me"

>implying i don't love that shit
I miss OVAs so much.

>Thunderbolt Fantasy
>anime

The only one where I would agree with you from that list is the first one. Daika was a failed attempt at a trainwreck unlike Code Geass which was a successful trainwreck; anything dark in that show can barely be taken seriously. Revue Starlight isn't even close to depressing, and Planet With is just weird, but in a good way, and also not even close to depressing.

Thunderbolt Fantasy is a puppet show. I have no idea how the business climate for those types of productions works.

Planet With had Satoshi Mizukami's background as a creator. Revue Starlight wasn't that much of a hit, so it can be argued that the results were disappointing in spite of the early hype.

I haven't seen the others, but I think there are special circumstances with Kemurikusa at least.

Ah so you are one of those people who think japan can do no wrong and west is always wrong.

Its sakuga really wasn't all that good in comparison to a lot of the other sakuga out there.

But how many of those are adaptions of already existing story?

This. Added content, much of his introspection omitted, censored, and those abominable comedy segments instead of the dark, absurdist comedy it was supposed to be. The novel is so much better.

>sakuga
shut the fuck up retard

Get off the board you retarded mongrel.

take your le penguin of doom act somewhere else, you insufferable twat
or do I need to replace half the words with Japanese ones randomly to get through to your wapanese ass

Why did we get multiple Otome sequels instead of more Hime? Why Arika instead of Akira?

He's kind of spreading misinformation. Sunrise greenlit 2 seasons of Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans - a show about child soldiers which ends with protags dying in a senseless battle and the shady guy getting away with shady deeds.
I think he's simply jelly that his ideas get trashed, while others can make original anime.

>hurr don't use eastern terms to describe something
How much more are you going to autistically REEEEE over something so trivial. I bet you're going to going to lose sleep tonight and seethe over the fact that cultural terms have evolved into popular use in the west like the complete fucking retard you are.

>Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans
Please, I was trying to forget about that pile of shit.

Yet, it got greenlit. Taniguchi must be SEETHING.

Akame Ga Kill is a manga adaptation.

Code Geass was done directly into anime.

your mom was done directly

This got accepted.
Is Taniguchi even trying with his pitches?

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>2nd generation otakus need to be genocided
If you're advocating for the death of people like Imaishi and Anno, I wholeheartedly agree.

No shit?

That would also include Watanabe, I'm not okay with that.

dunno about those two (google it, I don't care to look), but SWAT Kats was animated in Japan

IBO is not original anime.

It's official, anime is dead. You faggots can deny it all you want, but it won't change the fact that half the shows airing next season are all isekai anime.

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He doesn't seem mad or angry in the video clip. So not really.

Source?

Prove it.

>He shared his perspective that the TV anime now leans more towards everyday slice-of-life content,
I blame K-Onshit for this.

K-On single-handedly destroyed anime.

It's not an adaptation, so through a process of elimination it must be an anime original.

Anno's pissed me off for the last time

Sorry that was meant for the other user who clearly has some kind of mental disorder.

and new successful manga are all...... wait for it....
isekai

What the fuck is he smoking?
Code Geass wasn't depressing.

There's also way more anime nowadays. Number of originals isn't any lower than it was in the past. BTW multimedia projects which release anime, manga and LN at the same time or within a couple of months should be treated as originals and then we would have more of those than in CG times.

>number of originals isn't any lower
Going by average it's lower compared to previous decades.
>there's also way more anime nowadays.
Over-saturation is destroying the industry, people only have so much time to spend watching CGDCT and isekai, and studios are failing because they can't capture audiences in those genres. How many studios have had to close their doors in the past decade? A hell of lot more than in the past.

If you liked Lelouch, then seeing him die was depressing at the time. Same with one or two characters at least.

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I found his death to be profoundly beautiful, not depressing. That scene together with the music really hit me in the feels.

The show as a whole wasn't depressing at all, just had bunch of serious/sad moments which still paled in comparison to overall entertainment value. Depressing event doesn't necessarily mean the scene is depressing too.

So this is why Boruto sucks compared to Naruto. Anime is not allowed to be dark anymore. This is the same shit that has damaged western cartoons with the fucking "comfy" quirky shit. What the fuck happened to the planet?

>and they don't know what will or won't be a hit
NO SHIT.
If they knew what would be a hit before making it, we would only get hits. Or so could one think after reading this retardation.

Post-war culture died off.

>Anime is not allowed to be dark anymore
Dororo is literally airing this season.

Depressing themes in anime are niche, but not any more or less hard to make than a few years ago. CG was niche when it came out too, and Taniguchi is either a liar or an idiot when he says otherwise.

>mecha
>niche
l m a o
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It was literally at peak popularity around CG's release.

The only thing depressing about Code Geass is how terrible absolutely every aspect of the writing is.

>Over-saturation is destroying the industry
No it's not. Globalization has vastly expanded the market. There are definitely enough people around to watch all those shows and give the committees a handsome profit. Studios close their doors when they can't get enough shows to work on or financial mismanagement. The increase in demand for shows has actually benefited them.

Otome was their best bet it failed to last, fans wanted more Hime that was it. The franchise isn't dead and Sunrise is planning to bring back HiME.

I hope Sunrise makes it happen.

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>there are definitely enough people around to watch all those shows
It's not about the amount of people, it's about the amount of time the average viewer has. Are those people going to watch the lesser known shows versus the popular ones with higher production values? No.

Animation studios have always survived based on hard-copy sales and merchandising, if a show doesn't have a fairly large fanbase neither of those are going to provide enough sustainable income for a studio's survival. Everyone jumping into the isekai and CGDCT market at once creates over-saturation, people do not have enough time to spend watching all of them and will go for more popular titles as a matter of course, leaving smaller titles and the studios that work on them to wither away and die.

>Studios close their doors when they can't get enough shows to work on or financial mismanagement.
>studio produces show
>show turns out to be unpopular and doesn't ship merchandise or hard-copy sales
>in turn this causes the studio to lose business because the poor performance of the show is reflected onto the studio

>Animation studios have always survived based on hard-copy sales and merchandising
Oh look, it's another retard who thinks most studios directly profit from their shows. Production committees swallow the risk and directly profit, most studios are just paid a flat fee to make a show. Also the point about your average viewer is blatantly untrue, even Kenja no Mago is making good money and producers have directly said streaming helps make smaller shows profitable when they wouldn't be otherwise.

>isekai

It's a fad, it will die next year.

I hate Dark Anime because the genre doesn't know how to stick the ending. Shows like Code Geass, Gundam Seed, Zeta Gundam, Trinity Blood, and so one get so caught up in personal relationships with characters that when the last episode comes, these shows shit the bed by killing the cast off, leaving assholes alive and good people dead.

Only Evangelion avoids this trap by having the anime end with Shinji having an abstract therapy session and learning to love himself.

>The franchise isn't dead and Sunrise is planning to bring back HiME.
The horse is dead and buried. Just let it go.

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>Kenja no Mago is making good money
>source: dude trust me

>Production committees swallow the risk and directly profit, most studios are just paid a flat fee to make a show.
If this were a widely adopted truth across the industry we wouldn't see studio shutdowns, there is an absolute metric fucktonne of content out there available for adaptation and pretty much any production committee should be willing to greenlight shows for them if streaming means they can be profitable with low risk. Your statements are so misaligned with reality is laughable.

Dororo should be cancelled and never spoken of again. It goes to air with some episodes full of this kind of quality and people are still trying to tout it as "a great modern anime."

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>>"I get told, 'Don't put depressing elements in.'
There's plenty of depressing things in anime still. Whatever production committee he is apart of sounds like shit.

>The horse is dead and buried. Just let it go.
I've been thinking about it for years and still never gave in.

I know it's reddit, but
>reddit.com/r/anime/comments/bvh9j0/kadokawa_has_now_established_a_at_least_one/
>The same slide also mentioned that anime business profits rose compared with last season thanks to licensing income from North America for Shield Hero and Wise Man's Grandchild.
You're just a retard. Production committees are doing exactly as you said, greenlighting as much stuff as possible in the aforementioned at least one isekai anime per season policy. The bottleneck is there aren't enough animators around to produce them.

This is Last Encore level

>the production committee is separated from the fans
>Kemono Friends 2
I thought the entirety of KF2 was the production committee trying to shit all over S1.

Not like he has made anything good since Space Dandy

It was a guest director you retard

That doesn't actually state anything about whether or not Wise Man's Grandchild is actually turning a decent profit, just that its licensing contributed to their overall profit, which the majority of clearly came from their more successful franchises.

You should be happy Sunrise still considered to work on older IP's to keep their brand strong. If Mai Hime it will have a bigger reception than Code Geass movies.

Based.

Carole and Tuesday is literary good.

Old manga and show. It's not a new pitch for a series. Taniguchi is right.

Even if production committees swallows risk, a studio still needs their series to do well if they want to continue to find work. If it doesn't perform well, it reflects badly on the studio. Licensing realistically does not contribute nearly as much as either merchandising or hard copy sales to the overall profits from a show. While expansion into the international market has helped, if the industry were truly in such a good position right now, we wouldn't see studios dying off left, right and center like they are.

It's just more Gundam. Old news.

That's exaggerated. Geass does have some writing issues but that is not uncommon. Much less depressing.

It sucks aside from a few good moments and these last episodes have been going nowhere

I always thought CG's writing and narrative was deliberately edgy and campy. Sure there's the whole Euphemia thing, but even though there was some obviously flaws in the scene, it was still entertaining, which is what is important.

isn't this image almost as old as R2? I said almost you fucks

New Mai Hime series when

You are right.

Soon...

Do you think Sunrise will ever make another trainwreck of a great series again?

What's holding them back on making more stuff to top Code Geass, Mai Hime and Cross Ange.

What part of LWA ending was remotely depressing?

Nobody cares about studios. They're just work places where otaku animators gather to make the anime that the producers, aka the sponsors, want. And there will always be enough dumb otaku animators working for nearly free making new anime studios to gather up all the contracts that the production committees hand out.

This years Sunrise Festival

Studios are still comprised of specific teams of animators, some of them work really well together and produce some great stuff, so it sucks when the studio dies and you no longer get to experience their combined efforts.

where is this from? I've been trying to find this video for forever

>Nobody cares about studios.
Wrong.

It's not like the animators die, they can just go to other studios for work. The best animators are freelancers anyway.

Of course, but like I mentioned, it's about the specific team of animators. When the studio dies, the chances of them working on the same projects together again is probably very low.

I want to believe

Boruto is shitty because its marketed to literal children not the nip millenials that grew up on Naruto.

What matters is the director having his core staff around.

Next season only has 8 shows?

Are you talking about original shows?

I'm saying there's only 4 isekai next season. So claiming "half the shows next season are isekai" is false
Because next season has way more than 8 (which 4 is half of) shows airing

my life

Nowadays you have to suck off Japan or not make them the focus

This guy needs to watch more anime.

Nope, international market is more pivotal than Japan. The nips are starting to realize this.

If the revolutionary war never happened and Britain just took over the Ameica's without opposition then it's not Americans fucking up the 11s but the fucking British.

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This.

Isekai will be the absolute death of anime.

Watch more anime user.

>This thread
>This board
>This site

Based

Thats cool, but when is the next ep of CODEMENT?

can't do shit non canon slut

It was so depressing the manga actually undid some of the anime’s tragedy.