What makes a good power system?

Kurapika Kurta

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Chainsaw Man

What the fuck is manipulating the system ourselves?

Also, Togashi only uses specialists or conjurers, so in the end, the whole thing is wasted potential.

Writing Harry Potter fanfiction

Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Isekai protagonist of course is reincarnated with the knowledge of Gun.

Hisoka will die of old age.

Samefag

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Take it easy young nigga...

Naruto has a great power system, it gets a little weird with the legendary blood and what not. But it manages to be fairly consistent. If you ignore the asspull shits.

The Sarutobi clan exhibits the most creative use of these abilities. Simple jutsu's but enhanced and remixed to create more powerful techniques. Shadow clone shuriken and chakra enhanced blades.

Shikamaru using his extremely weak jutsu to inhibit powerful opponents.

Naruto using shadow clones creatively for deception, is very "ninja" like despite wearing an orange jumpsuit. And the way Boruto uses them as well to compensate for lack of abilities like Boruto Stream.

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>Naruto has a great power system

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Wrong, the most used nen users are the manipulation type.

>elemental garbage
>great power system

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There's no such thing as le good power system, because it's all comes to how writter decides the flow of story goes, yet all those retarded powerlevelfags still don't get it and keeps being retarded
>hurrrr why did X won even though his powers sucks
Because the writters decides, you dumb cunt.
The only thing that matters is how well done the figts are, I don't give two shits about powerups of asspulls, as long as the fight was entertaining.
Hell, If anything, they should just get rid off all that crap, who cares where powers come from? who cares how it's works? it's all fucking magic at the end, just make the good fighting and utilize those magic powers to their full extent.
This whole pseudo intellectual crap with pseudo tactics and strategies are nothing but eyesore, at the end of the day it's just dumb fiction with no real life basis, so fuck off with your logic and sense, the less sense it makes, the better.

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Wow a decent thread I'm fucking shocked

actually using the systems, like if you're playing a video game or D&D

>elemental garbage
it's not all elemental user, you could be more supportive of me adding to the thread you know

>Jamal
Say it to my brothas face, Cletus.

If you strip it of any internal consistency what would define if fighting is good? By animation quality? Without tactics and stakes, there wouldn't be any weight to anything. It'd pure surrealism
Sorry, but you sound like a full retard.

If you honestly think that you missed the entire point of Nen and should re-read Kurapika vs Uvogin. Nen's internal mechanics and limitation, give Nen users clues regarding the abilities of an opponent. Example, if you see an opponent with a Sword, the most likely scenarios would be that he is either an Enhancer and uses Enhancement to toughen the blade, or a Conjurer and the blade has magical properties. If the user is a Conjurer, his strength will be low, so you can test if the sword has special abilities by testing the opponent's strength. It might not give you a precise answer, but it creates a feasible methodology.

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Stands > Quirks > Ki > Devil Fruits/Haki > Nen > Chakra > Alchemy

Surely you can elaborate as why elemental system is bad and not just post ebin pictures with no real argument other then
>i-it's shit cuz it's nardo lel

>Why would we make characters relatable in fantasy
>It's fucking fantasy
>Why would we make anything relatable in a fucking fantasy
>The less sense
>the better

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I don't really agree with you but I do think that a power system doesn't necessarily need much logic to be good, just look at JoJo. Stands are one off abilities for every individual and they work because they give Araki an incredible amount of flexibility.

Yeah and every fight is resolved in the most stupid, asspull-y and unsatisfying way possible.

Where my fellow emitters at?

Reporting in.

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who this is ugly shithead¿

I’ve gotten everything besides Enhancer, the most recent test was Emitter, maybe the first time I’ve gotten it

>mfw i realized Yusuke was actually an emitter

World Trigger is still the best powersystem in existence of manga.
Than Hxh infinite steps lower, and a few steps lower is BC.

You mean just MAGIC

Nen is a great system but Togashi isn't good at making full use of it's potential, I feel as if JoJo fights is probably what nen would look like had it been used to it's upmost potential.
Current arc has some hope in it though, I'm looking forward to seeing King Crimson 2.0 in action

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Stands are barely power system, they are more of an idea.

Some stand abilities like D4C, Sticky Fingers, C-Moon and unironically Fun Fun Fun are incredibly well designed and lead to very entertaining fights, whereas others are just either uninspired (mostly those of Part 3) or way too overly complex to be entertaining or make sense.

>Yeah and every fight is resolved in the most stupid, asspull-y and unsatisfying way possible.
At worst 30% of fights are resolved with an asspull, at worst, and even a lot of those resolved with asspulls still manage to be extremely entertaining.

Consistency without author correcting himself every 10 chapters.

The Quirks are pretty great on BH

Nen is decent.
Chakra was good early on. The elemental affinities made sense, but were introduced so late.

Someone explain all the categories with examples

Retard, surely

>someone´s power is a reflection of their personality
Thats the end point of a power system. The rest is fluff

Their MC powers give them the ability to dual wield during rock, paper, scissors.

Togashi's powers are usually cool because they are expressions of the characters personalities, it doesn't matter if it's elemental shit if the fire guy is an edgelord who wants to destroy everything.

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Everyone that I read was asspull. Araki calls it the battle of wits, but it's actually a battle of magicians pulling different shit out of their hats.
I didn't enjoy a single fight. Every fight reminds me of that part of Death Note where there is suddenly a new rule that you can erase your memories. The biggest one is Jotaro being unable to beat Dio with actual wits, instead the gets time stop. Then there are moments when he can time stop, but doesn't do it for the sake of plot, etc. I honestly don't understand how people can praise jojo

Punch
Shoot
Mind control
Summoning
Some Togashi shit

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>The biggest one is Jotaro being unable to beat Dio with actual wits, instead the gets time stop. Then there are moments when he can time stop, but doesn't do it for the sake of plot, etc. I honestly don't understand how people can praise jojo
It comes from out of the left field but it's not an asspull, Star Platinum never had a stand power (The World proved that punching very fast is not a stand power) and it couldn't have been a mere coincidence that Star Platinum was the only stand that could move through DIO's stopped time, it makes perfect sense in hindsight.

It also ties thematically into the idea of blood connections that is so important to JoJo as a whole. Not to mention that when people praise the writing of fights in the series, they mostly refer to stuff like The Grateful Dead, D4C, Highway Star or the Darby's.

If you don't like JoJo that's fine, I honestly could never get into Monogatari or Fate no matter how much Yea Forums praised them, people have different tastes, just because you don't like something it doesn't mean nobody else shouldn't be able of enjoying it.

I disagree, Nen is very simple on the surface but can go as deep as you'd want with whatever power you're thinking of
Literally every technique except for Specialization is built upon Ren aka maintaining aura, Zetsu aka plugging aura back into yourself, Ten literally opposite of Zetsu and then finally Hatsu which depends on what your aura type is.
Any advanced techniques not related to Hatsu are pretty much various combinations of the 4 principles.
The only thing I think is iffy and not a favorable aspect of Nen is contracts which breaks the system for feats otherwise impossible but I'm from the mind that as long as it fucks the user then it's fine which sadly doesn't happen a lot.
Also there's mutliple in-universe applications for it such as aura objects like the gameconsole that can be used to enter Greed Island.

tl;dr Nen's alright, fuck contracts though

Personally, I like:
Powers being an expression of the character or at least a facet as important as character design.
Non-combat applications. Especially intel-gathering applications.
Non-powered people can do stuff.
Training amounting to more than bigger and bigger stuff.

So I definitely think that elemental systems tend to be pretty boring most of the time.

>but can go as deep as you'd want
This is the problem, because Togashi just makes up whatever he wants and just forces it into his system somehow. The system itself doesn't mean anything.

-Who defines the difficulty of limitations?
-Difficulty can't be the same in every situation - in Chrollo's case - sometimes it'd easy to be said about nen, sometimes it's really hard. If his ability is based on the completion of a set of hard rules, then it shouldn't work when the conditions can be met easily (like stealing a nen ability from his Ryodan - it's not that difficult, so it shouldn't work).
-If a person really thinks that the condition is difficult (he's literal retard and thinks that breathing is difficult), would his ability be enhanced?

In other words, Togashi didn't say anything about subjectivity and objectivity of his system.

Then your problem is with Togashi right? The Nen system itself shouldn't be blamed for the human errors its creator makes just like any other system irl.

Kurapika's chains are not unbreakable. Nen can't deal in absolutes. He especifically tests the chains on Uvogin because he is the physically strongest member and he saw his limitations when fighting the Shadow Beasts, so if Uvogin can't break out, the others won't be able to break out. But the Chains could still be destroyed by someone much stronger.

Vows balance the system so you everyone can be killed. This naturally destroys power levels, which is good and realistic.

I can agree on this. But what about Worm's shard?
Also this.

One can only base a judgement of a system on its execution.

I like Naruto's power system in theory, but it is completely broken in post-Pain Naruto. You can't just ignore the fact eyehax shit obsoletes everything else and makes the actually interesting powers like Shikamaru's pointless.

the system is literally "hurr I can code whatever ability I want if i feel like it"

this is perfectly ok, the problem is that togashit spent spent way too much time sponfeeding all the intricacies of the system just to have every other major nen user be on the asspull category

>get stronger by eating delicious food compatible with magical cells used as genetic enhancements
>use your body's caloric energy to fuel your attacks
>learn to honor the food you eat to massively increase the efficiency with which you fuel your attacks
>learn how to immerse yourself into your actions to literally alter reality with the power of imagination
>employ techniques and abilities based on an ancient demon from the far past that is using your magical cells as a conduit to reincarnate themselves into the modern realm
>eat more delicious foods compatible with your demon to further manifest their former full powers
>eat the Full Course of the World, a full course meal that represents the flavor and history of your world, which gives you full control of your magical cells and, by extension, the demon inside you
>EAT YOUR OWN DEMON, a representation of your appetite, to evolve EVEN FURTHER, becoming an ascended being that can casually punch a universe devouring monstrosity around the entire planet with the greatest of ease
>share the world's Full Course with your friends and family at your wedding ceremony, impregnate your waifu and then go on space adventures with your friends, to eat even more delicious foods from a different universe to power up your MORE POWERFUL demon and possible enter ANOTHER universe to FURTHER power up your DRASTICALLY EVEN MORE POWERFUL third demon

Mother. Fucking. TORIKO.

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IIRC there are a few absolutes in nen, like not being able to conjure something omnipotent or making your ability riskier to use to make it stronger.

Sounds cool, it's a shame toriko is such a shit in every other department

JoJo still has some logic to it when it is fun and things like range, Stands transmitting damage, and Stands losing their effects when the owner is defeated are concepts used even in most good fights. Non-sense stands like Dragon's Dream are immensely unpopular and why Part 6 is disliked.

There have been like 20 fights in the entire manga and I doubt there will be 10 more before HxH is over. Togashi is clearly not as interested in exploring the power system for fights as much as making gigantic games where his characters get thrown into

I prefer the rock paper scissors system of isekai
Villains beat girls
mc beats villains
mc also beats girls.

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That’s only 5

If a retard made an ability that was enhanced with a difficult (to him) condition pertaining to the use of the ability then yes
Sometimes it’s different though, like Morel having good lung capacity which directly helps his power. There it’s just an application of basics.
Going with chrollo, stealing his teammate’s nen would be a cost for him, not because of any difficulty in obtaining them, but rather because he’s weakening the ryodan for his own gain.
And they then died.
If you look at it psychologically it makes sense. It would be like an autist having a power that gives him strength or something if he understands others. This would only happen when he’s with his closest friends, and would give us insight into his mind.
Nen is literally character development.
Pokkle is prideful of his archery, Razor is a loner, Illumi has control issues, Killua is in many ways defined by his tortured youth, Zeno likes Chinese mythology and simple approaches to problems, Netero is a literal combat autist who pushed martial arts to the very limit.

it's not good if that's what dozens of chapters worth of explanation sums up to
with jojo abilities are just whatever the fuck araki wants, which is the same with hxh, but araki doesn't come up with a bunch of incestuous explanations for it.

I forgot about fireballs (transmutation)

I feel it should be 4

Manipulate energy
Create stuff
Control minds
Anything the author wants

>but rather because he’s weakening the ryodan for his own gain.
But that wasn't the condition

>because it's overly complicated
Debatable and honestly I find it to have just the right amount of rigidiity and rules so that when you get arcs like the current one, I can guess people's abilities or capabilities within a good margin of success.
>and has no real worldbuilding tie-in
The hunter's association has their own dojo that teaches nen. Abilities are also deeply personal with groupings like exorcists having deliberate shamatic overtones. If you look at an ability you can guess the temperment and mindset of the creator even if that person is a non-character.
>It's not a video game, we just have to go along with whatever togashi makes up, we can't manipulate the system ourselves
What does this even mean? When does any reader have the ability to manipulate the system of a story unless it's a tabletop RPG?

Complexity without becoming asspullish