So what exactly makes King Crimson more "invincible" than The World? Just call Jotaro over to stop time and fuck him up

The problem with Grateful Dead would be containing Diavolo to a given area long enough for it to take effect.

He was only fighting doppio with a fraction of KC's power, although I agree he probably still could have taken it.

>something that doesn't exist takes any effort at all to skip

Even so, Risotto probably would have approached the fight in an entirely different manner if he knew who his opponent was from the start. It probably would have been pretty close either way.

Offensively it's a shittier The World. Defensively it's better.

The World + [TIME] Roofies

How do I say this? It's a bit crude, but the Risotto vs Doppio fight gave me a boner.

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Diavolo sees he's about to get his ass beat using Epitaph, uses King Crimson to skip the time you plan on to kill him and he just comes out of the time skipped either killing you or in a place to opportunize on your confusion or moment of vulnerability to kill you in one punch.

Dio's time stop is a moment in time, Diavolo sees that shit coming and himself getting his shit killed instantly and so just skips the frozen moment and everything involved like it didn't happen. It's a natural counter to time stop abilities like with Jotaro and Dio and more powerful in comparison because it's just putting time forward with it's user in absolute control of the power's mechanics too.

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>mfw I realise polnareff would still be alive if he wasnt so accepting of trannies and hadnt questioned doppio calling himself a girl

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>i'm an expert on shit that never fucking happened ever

>if he wasnt so accepting of trannies and hadnt questioned doppio calling himself a girl
What? maybe if he had questioned doppio calling himself a girl he could have saved himself

>anime only
>twitter frog
It checks out.

The fact that he can see 10 seconds into the future and is able to avoid all the problems he may face during that time.
Assuming Epitaph has no drawbacks he can continually see the future and use KC to avoid every single time he gets attacked, injured or inconvenienced while the rest of the world just end up jumping forward in time not knowing how it happened.

Thats what I said retard.

Isn't what Diavolo does in this flashback literally just like Dio appearing to teleport behind someone with The World?

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>So what exactly makes King Crimson more "invincible" than The World?
It isn't,the only reason why DIO lost was because Jotaro could stop time too,DIO can kill you during stoped time while Diavolo can't do shit during his erased time.
>Just call Jotaro over to stop time and fuck him up
The thing is The world stops time,while KC skips it.So,as others have said,KC is a hard counter to The world and other time based stands

How would he be able to do that if he can't tell when time stopped in the first place?

I mean in a lot of ways KC is effectively Time Stop but without being in "The World" of stopped time. Difference is him being able to erase causality. Where DIO would stop time and move out of the way, KC just removes it from ever happening. Other than that they're functionally the same with the exception that Stopping Time is impossible to detect if you don't have eyes on DIO or know who you're fighting. You'll know when time skipped far easier. The real problem is Epitaph. Without it KC is far less broken offensively because you don't know where they're fated to be so you can't get a 10 second jump on them.

DIO would actually do pretty well against King Crimson because his battle strategy involves a lot of careful approaching and projectiles. As we saw vs. Metallica, KC can't be used as a gap closer, so running away is actually pretty effective against it. DIO could easily outlast Diavolo's stamina and kill him.

Jotaro on the other hand would try to challenge him head-on and have problems.

In this very episode we see proof that he cannot use Epitaph to see what happens immediately after a time skip. Even Polnareff lands a hit on him during this time, imagine Dio calling out The World at that moment.

Yes it does.
He’ll see that things suddenly changed.

KEKKA DAKE GA

That wouldn’t have changed anything.

Part 2 Joseph could easily beat him. He'd always be one step ahead of KC since Joseph is reading the manga from left to right.

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Run around a corner and stop time, he won't be able to tell whether a timestop happened.

If they just stand there and do nothing.

>just call jotaro
yeah just like you could call giorno to fuck one of his dad's gay lovers up

oh wait, that doesn't happen because araki is a senile fart now who decided to fuck it all and write fanfiction of his own series

I feel like every fucking second that passes in an episode there's an asspull, retcon, and a dumbass inconsistency all at the same time. How the fuck can you fuck up your series this badly?

>KC is a hard counter
Unconfirmed, and no amount of headcanon will make it otherwise. For all we know stopped time is outside his domain and he can't affect anything within it, and trying to skip it ends up with him as a ball of meat because he can't erase what doesn't exist in a straight line of time. (There are plenty of brainlets who have some headcanon that Time Stop is just moving really, REALLY fast, so please at least tell me your not one of those delusional idiots.)

Hell, KC might be able to erase stopped time but in real time the stop is shortened by whatever time he erased. He may even be the hard counter you say he is, but we have zero clue because the entire premise is based on purely "Which one is a higher power than the other?" GERs ability wouldn't have done shit to Diavolo if it wasn't written in that GER stops Diavolo from avoiding fate. The means by which he does it are pointless, so long as they are written into the story. GERs ability could have been skipped in time unless it was of a higher authority than KC. The way it was written, it becomes a hard counter, but it could have been written the other way just as easily.

Think about it: headcanon exists for a reason but that reason is because either because delusional people don't like the way something turned out OR there is no canon explanation.

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>So,as others have said,KC is a hard counter
Appealing to the masses are we? This statement means jack shit. You can do better than hopping on the bandwagon, user.

How did Pol managed to hurt Diavolo? Wouldn't Dia be able to predict that attack?

he will see the effect of the timestop by epitaph, and skip it

Yeah, like you said there's really no way of knowing how stopped time interacts with skipped time or epitaph and it isn't hard to imagine multiple outcomes that are just as "realistic". The only real answer is whoever Araki wants to be more intimidating at the time

youtube.com/watch?v=jMJKihAmkZY&t=1s

How did they manage to make Diavolo of all characters hot. He looked like a crackhead in the manga, now he looks like a sexy schizo.
Based DP

The events still exist, they're just compressed into one moment. If anything that would be even easier to skip

What effect? You could just use it to move to an unexpected place, set a trap that will be triggered later, etc. If Diavolo doesn't know what you did during the timeskip, then he has to guess whether it would be dangerous not to skip it.

No,you fucking retarded frogposter you said
>if he wasnt so accepting of trannies and hadnt questioned doppio calling himself a girl
>and hadnt questioned doppio calling himself a girl
>hadnt questioned doppio
>hadnt

Cooldowns or something

dumbass frogposter

Any big tittie goth gf post in here?

That's the thing, the fact he took damage from that attack directly proves that he can't spam timeskips or predict the opponent's actions past his timeskip.

yeah your mom

>he can't erase what doesn't exist in a straight line of time
Stopped time is just one point on a timeline.

He would predict the trap. A trap that takes more than ten seconds to escape would work.

Just stand still? For all you know, the opponent stuck a grenade to your pants leg during time stop and you wouldn't know about it until it goes off several seconds later when it's too late to remove it. You'll have to be incredibly paranoid, and as soon as you fail to notice a trap has been laid, now you have to waste a timeskip on that trap and the opponent can freely attack you before you can timeskip again.

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Diavolo would have to use epitaph the instant Dio activates time stop to see anything which is impossible. Dio's time limit is 10 seconds, and was still in the process of growing. That's the entire span of epitaph, so even if Diavolo starts even a second earlier he won't see the end, and when will he have time to activate King Crimson?

>villain explains his powers
errytime

Araki realized time stop was too powerful because Dio is technically allowed to kill during the time stop, so to give the part 5 heroes a fairer chance without writing the villain as a retard he decided to nerf it but give it a side ability so it's more of a cat and mouse thing, which works well since Diavolo's personality is to hide everything away

no, because for king crimson, the stopped time takes up no time at all, king crimson still has the ten seconds. No matter how long dio can stop time for, king crimson can predict the outcome and skip it.

>Dio's time limit is 10 seconds

9 at his peak. He would have 1 sec to react which is probably too low anyway

Diavolo would see past time stop no matter how long it is.

I believe the best way to beat KC is with tard strenght,which both SP and The world have,just wait for hime to try and kill you and counter the fucker,also DIO's vampirisim would help him
>For all we know stopped time is outside his domain and he can't affect anything within it
Wait is there any info about that?
>KC might be able to erase stopped time but in real time the stop is shortened by whatever time he erased.
Like if he skiped 1 second but the stoped time was of 5 seconds he would only erase a second of stoped time? I mean maybe,how could people how much time has been stoped otherwise?
>headcanon exists for a reason but that reason is because either because delusional people don't like the way something turned out OR there is no canon explanation.
Yeah,my headcanon is that Diavolo can erase stoped time but it isn't really an argument because there is no way to know because we haven't seen any interaction betwen time based abilities

>Polnareff couldn't contact Jotaro because Diavolo had infiltrated the postal service, politics, media, etc.
How would they prevent Polnareff from contacting Jotaro?

Diavolo thought him long dead. All Polnareff had to do was send a letter under a pseudonym that only Jotaro could understand.

Say Iggy or something.

But King Crimson's power is to skip/erase time, as in absolute. No one ever said he only erased time relative to himself. And in Dio's world Dio has his own time during which he can act, so clearly that counts as the same time KC can erase. Hence 10 seconds of King Crimson's time erase would just erase The World's time

Or just wheel out of the country. Although it's possible that Polnareff didn't want to risk provoking a man who has the entire shithole of italy under his thumb because he seemed pretty spooked just seeing the guy.

>The World's Time
IT STOPS TIME, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. Exactly 0 seconds pass when Dio uses his ability. What Dio sees as seconds passing is relative to him only in the stopped time, it's completely instant to everyone else.

It basically comes down to whoever activates first. If Diavolo is trapped in DIO's world before he activates Epitaph, then Diavolo will get turned into a donut before he realises it.

If Epitaph gets activated first, then Diavolo has a chance to avoid and counter. But he needs to pray he gets a killshot. If he doesn't realize DIO is a vampire, then he'll die during Epitaph's cooldown. More than likely DIO would take off and make it into a ranged fight after finding out that someone had a counter for ZA WARUDO though.

I know david wants to be as accurate to the manga as possible but they really shouldn't have in this instance

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Also half the battle is finding Diavolo in the first place.

Yea but clearly time still exists in absolute reality because it still flows for him.

Space Powers >>> Time Powers

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>Diavolo can't do shit during his erased time

Why, God. Why people keep repeating this shit?
In this very fucking episode he throws his blood in Polnareff eyes and also, attack him while in the "erase time world".

It's funny because in the first episode, you can see that the picture they took, was on the part 3 style.

>Absolute Reality
What is that supposed to mean? X seconds pass for Dio, 0 seconds pass for everyone else, including Diavolo.

I want Part 9 to take place in either France or Spain. Both of them could serve as interesting backdrops.

I can't wait for the op to start skipping itself like how part 3 had the time stop

It will just play itself on a loop for a while

>MFW when Great Days goes backwards

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*blocks your path*

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Hey boy, let tell you a secret. Time doesn't exist, like at all. It's a concept created by humans, you know. DIO real power is to stop the whole universe for the arbitrary concept of 5 seconds. So yeah, Diavolo definitely could skip that shit.

There won't be anything cool made to this OP.

It's not gonna happen, sorry.

The World > King Crimson

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But that is not true. If Dio just stopped the Universe, he would be blind and deaf because sound and light waves couldn't reach him during the time stop.

Time is a real thing in the JoJoverse.

I unironically wish part 3 looked like this. Shit was dry in the anime

He was skinny in part 4 too you retard

>Jotaro stops time
>teleports in to punch Diavolo
>this is shown to Diavolo via Epitath
>Diavolo skips the event/runs away/whatever

Why not both?

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If all the major Jojo antagonists fought one another who would come out on top as the winner?

Dio, because Pucci would help him kill everyone else.

Kars

Why did Polnareff do the whole blood drop shit instead of just wearing a watch?

>pucci launches him into space at high speeds
I like it
One's easier to see than the other

How would Pucci send him into space?

Does Valentine have Love Train? Beacuse I think the power of Jesus pretty much trumps everything. That and being able to OHKO even perfect Kars by taking them to an alt dimension.

Some taste you have.

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Jotaro never uses time stop unless he has to.
There's nothing Diavolo can do to force him to use it unless he skips time and suprises him from behind but then he won't be able to time skip the forced time stop.
Even if Jotari didn't timestop Star Platinum could probably block it due to how fast it is.

King Crimson is a perfect counter to The World. Like gg no re counter. Dio's time stop only lasts 10 seconds from his perspective, but in reality it lasts 0 seconds because time has stopped. Dio could stop time for 10 seconds, or he could stop it for 30 seconds, or 5 minutes, or even an hour, and it still wouldn't matter. All of it would happen in an instant and so King Crimson could erase it. Dio's power is completely nullified regardless of how advanced it has become.

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Isn't epitaph constant? Otherwise anyone could blitz him

He has to look at his hair and the vision can be misleading.

the moment dio screams "the world!" he can use king crimson and skip the time stop moment.

but diavolo wasn't that strong:
>bucciarati hits him in the 1st fight agains him , even when he didn't know what diavolo did a moment before that
>rissoto almost kills him if it was for doppio's plan to save the day
>polnareff also fool him and hit him in the arm.

seems like KC only wins when the enemy don't know about the power or while they stay in a moment of confusion not knowing what happend due to time skip.

Jotaro was defeated by a rat. Diovolo would destroy him.

But what about in the fight against Bruno, when he had his hair tied back with none going over his forehead?

At this rate he is going to become Jouta before Stone Ocean gets an anime adaptation.

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The hair is more likely than not an artistic device that looks cool to show the reader that He is seeing the future without clogging up the illustration with though-bubbles or the like.

The hair isn't necessary to the whole power.

We don't see him clearly enough to know that he doesn't have soe bangs hanging down.

The best way for Jotaro to beat Diavolo is to wait for King Crimson to attack him after a time skip then blitz the stand and use Star Platinum to overwhelm its weak durability.

Bossu in the OP is in the same outfit as that fight and nope

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There's hair in the shadows on his forehead.
It's just hard to see unless you pump up the contrast.

>yfw they dumped the whole budget into these final episodes

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Didn't it get explained that Polnareff could use the blood to tell when timeskipped and react accordingly?

Diavolo's favorite attack seems is getting the opponent from behind since it works with the "nobody must see me" idea so that would be an easy read for Polnareff since he already knows King Crimson's capabilities.

Part 9 is in space

it literally chops people in half and destroys whole upper bodies in one punch..

he looks fucking amazing

Why was diavolo so obsessed with hiding his identity? What exactly was gonna happen if it was revealed?

Thats not unique, Crazy Diamond punched thru 2 people before either of them realized what was going on. Jotaro managed to hit Dio hard enough to overcome his Vampire Regen. Just Vamp Dio could fling an arm hard enough to rip the target in half, and The World was stronger than that.

King Crimson is held back by its awful durability.

he's the 21st century schizoid man, he's just nuts and doesn't have to justify his paranoia.

Space France then

Stand user interpol I guess. That or Jotaro find's out what he did to Polnareff

The theme of Jojo villains isn't space or time powers.

It's "gravity", as in the power to manipulate fate.

I would still fuck that Jotaro.

He's probably just paranoid, but hiding your identity in a world of stand using organized crime is pretty justified paranoia

reminder that this fucking creature is related to Giorno

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Giorno took the only good sperm saved up in Jonathan's balls

How was he hiding all that hair in boss form?

but that means joseph says that in the first panel and it doesn't happen until the 4th panel

Considering he had a Stardust Crusader snooping on him, he was completely 100% right to be paranoid.

Pol looks pretty much the same minus the long face, but Jotaro is a disgrace

Could Diavolo beat Maid in Heaven Pucci?

So you're saying he can't just pop up behind him and donut him like he did to Bruno?

No. Skipping time wouldn't even matter to MiH

Not without writer intervention, I'd think. Pucci is evasive which is the worst matchup for the boy. KC doesn't do anything to stop you from just running away and throwing stuff.

Star Platinum is far faster than Sticky Fingers and has its 'automatic defense'. It'd be able to counter.

Would the time Epitaph sees be sped up as well?

Mother probably drank while pregnant
Versace turned out alright

Nobody would be able to permanently take down valentine without the infinite spin

Dio almost did it
You just need to kill him is one quick hit

>Why, God. Why people keep repeating this shit?
That is how it appeared to be,why wouldn't he kill during the erased time then?

You gotta insta-kill him. Rip his head off or something, if he has an instant of consciousness left he can swap.

How come Jotaro never bothered to investigate the disappearance of one of his only friends?

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He forgot just like Araki

Giorno was the cum in Johnathan's balls on the day he died. All of DIO's other kids are defective vampire semen

oh shit, i don't know why, but i was under the impression that d4c can replace valentine with an alternate version of himself even if he dies, but it seems that he is only able to change as long as the valentine that has d4c doesn't die

He was too occupied with the dolphins to realize.

The instant the blood changes use a aoe. You cant kill someone during the ability

>rip his head off
You do realize that people have lived for like a solid 30 seconds after being decapitated, right?

Don’t disrespect the copyright god

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The blood loss would cause almost instantaneous loss of consciousness more likely than not. Anyway D4C would just be a disembodied head at that point regardless, can it even still function?

As long as the ability isn't tied to a specific body part, it'll probably work as long as the user can garner the willpower to use it.

That'd rely on his head just so happening to fall between two objects. If it just hits the floor than its over.
Where did they get the info that the brain still functioned for 30 sec post decapitation?

>jotaro finding out about polnareffs death and going to avenge him
Wouldve been fucking awesome and sad bc polnareff is best jobro

It predicts correctly until it doesn't

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R8 my Doe-pyoe

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He had a fucking computer with internet access.

Shut up Part 5 Jotaro is beautiful

He's missing his tough guy look he had in Part 3

That's because GER nullifies Epitaph.

That's what makes GER so hax, it nullifies anything the opponent does or can do because he said so.

But didn't epitaph predict wrong before GER appeared? He thought Giorno would just stab himself and die.

Someone had to inherit those Dario genes

Why doesnt polnareff go no-armor and just slash around everywhere when diavolo gets close?
It isnt timestop where diavolo can just walk past the sword while it stays still

He was too occupied with whatever life and wife he enjoyed in America and then Japan.

There is presumably some kind of cooldown, or else he would have cheesed Dio in SC doing that.

No armor leaves him even weaker to damage. KC just grazing a no-armor SC would kill Polnareff.

read thru vilppu's manual

Hence, "it just works".

Epitah > King Crimson.

But Dio was shown to be able to increase the amount of time he could stop with continued use. Once he gets it past 10 seconds, he can stop it for longer than Epitaph can see ahead. Then it's just a matter of waiting to activate The World at the right moment when he can donut Diavolo before he has a chance to activate KC.

At least that's how I think it would play out, there's really no way to say for sure because of how vague the particulars of KC are.

That won't make him understand the ability

Yeah because it's A FUCKING PICTURE you literal mongrel

>They even kept the manga QUALITY of the bit where Pol remembers the SDC before he dies
SOULFUL ADAPTATION

If they did this'll be the best adaptation yet honestly

Pol I think looks better, but Jotaro actually looking his age doesn't fit.

I think it's already the best adaptation, you can tell the amount of love they poured into the art and animation especially compared to part 4.

Epitaph would see right past the timestop, since stopped time quite literally passes instantaneously. In his foresight, in one moment everything would look fine, and in the next the trap would be unavoidable. All you have to do then, is skip the instant where the trap is laid (i.e. skip the stopped time) and you'll be fine.

Nah, there's only one D4C. Valentine can "transfer" it to other versions of himself, but if the Valentine with D4C dies, it's all over.

He'd be in no state to actually win from such a position, though.

The only correct answer is that whoever activates their ability first wins. There is no way to actually discern how the two stands would interact if activated simultaneously, and therefore Araki would have to explain, given the endless possibilities that could occur.

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if they fought, it comes down to who uses it first. since king crimson is short ranged and even upon activation, it can't do much unless it's close to the opponent. with The World, at least you can still do long range shenanigans, so The World will win since offensively, it has more capability in terms of spatial range

Dio needed Joestar blood to even get to 10 seconds. Diavolo doesn't even need to boost his power, he can already see into the future and skip time like it's nothing. He uses his ability more freely than Dio ever did.

Adding to all that he's a paranoid wretch, he's nearly always looking into Epitaph's visions when he isn't fighting someone he doesn't consider a threat like a disabled Polnareff.

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Who cares, Jotaro Cuts finger, sees blood change, stops time, fucks Diavolo. It's not hard.

No, Epitaph's predictions were correct until GER reality warped. Epitaph predicts the future of your current reality only.

Because with this in mind there is absolutely no reason for him to wait until time erasure stops to donut people... yet he always does this anyway because Araki is a hack. It would be like if DIO just didn't attack anyone during stopped time, for no reason.

Can you not read? It's clearly called Emperor Crimson in every scene

I thought I understand how does king crimson works. Last episode proved me wrong.

How does it work? What the fuck are these comic visualizations. How does it teleport?
It just looks like the world with future prediction.

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Alright so Epitaph is basically Thoth. What KC enables Diavolo to do is erase himself out of the prediction, and not be bound by it. Everyone else still is, but he is free to act. This also means he is taken out of causality. For all intents and purposes, KC and Diavolo do not exist for those 10 seconds. However, if he does anything that would change anyone else's prediction (generally meaning trying to donut them) it takes him out of the ability to not violate causality.

But what happens in these 10s.
It's not like he is invisible during that time.

>As we saw vs. Metallica, KC can't be used as a gap closer
Actually it can, the reason why it wasn't used in that fight because it was Doppio who was fighting Nero and Doppio can't erase time.

Considering what happened in the Metallica fight, when he uses the primary ability something funky has to happen. I still think it's some sort of pocket reality, with how it's shown in the anime with the walls melting into some sort of space-looking background.

Dio can effect everything while time is paused, Diavolo can't.
>But what happens in these 10s.
It's not like he is invisible during that time.
Everything that happen in "erased" time is pretty much nullified like it's never even happened. Nobody can effect anything. Diavolo can see everything though and act accordingly to situation.

>ESL

Realistically, the world's time stop acts more like super speed, since you can do shit like throw daggers and have them pause before the target, pick up road rollers and the like, so the time definitely *exists*.