You may not like it, but this is the best power system in any manga

You may not like it, but this is the best power system in any manga.

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Basic rock paper scissors bullshit.

You're conveniently leaving out a loooooooot of things outside of the OP Image there user.
Anything you're not sharing with the class?

>Thunder beats Earth
wouldnt the earth just, ground the electricity?

Most lightning jutsu are piercing while most earth jutsu are defensives

your shit logic went off the rails when sasuke survived deidara, fuck off with your dead series

>earth beats water
wouldn't the earth dissolve into water?

>Water beats Fire
wouldn't the fire just evaporate the water?

Then switch wind and earth.

>powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Magic
>coppermind.net/wiki/Sanderson's_Laws_of_Magic
The only problem is that there is no manga that makes justice of it and just pull the "it's magic, I ain't gonna explain shit" meme.

WHERE THE FUCK IS HER HAT YOU BASTARD

I never really understood how In was possible or what substantive difference there was between Ren and Ken or Ko and Gyo, but I also wanted to point out that En is the only ability none of the MCs have learned and it feels like almost nobody knows it or cares to know it. I wonder if Togashi did that to make Nobunaga feel special.

If you have seen even a glimpse of Naruto, you would know that's completely wrong.

Is thunder sonic magic or electric magic or both

>I never really understood how In was possible
It's a mystery honestly.
>or what substantive difference there was between Ren and Ken or Ko and Gyo
It's basically how much and where you allocate your aura.
Ken is full throttle release of aura, Ken is the ability to maintain that state for an extended period of time.
Gyo is putting the majority, but not all, of your aura into a part of your body.
Ken is putting 100% of your aura into a part of your body but being defenseless everywhere else.
>but I also wanted to point out that En is the only ability none of the MCs have learned and it feels like almost nobody knows it or cares to know it.
En was a big deal during the CA arc since it's the main reason nobody could even approach the palace because Pitou has such a large area. The Zzoldycks used it in the York Shin arc to locate Chrollo and obviously you know about Nobunaga. Ging also created a new form of En based on Leorio's medical knowledge by creating aura pulses and releasing them like an ultrasound. And in the current arc a number of people can use en including Prince Benjamin's soldiers and when they choose to deploy it they have complete survelliance of whatever room they are stationed in which is a good and bad thing. Good in that they have complete awareness of their surroundings, but bad because other nen users are aware they are doing it.

It's definitely a skill that's important but gets used more tactically or as area denial rather than being a purely offensive skill. Nobunaga is probably going to be the only person in the series to weaponize En if my assumption that he has an auto-counter ability for anyone in his field is true.

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electric

Get your Pokémon logic shit outta here this is Naruto Baybee

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>You should expect better from a battle shounen.

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Wind is a sword that slices the tip of a spear.
Lightning is a spear that pierces the shield.
Earth is a shield that stops the charging attack.
>And now for the uninspired, which makes people think that Naruto should be like Pokemon
Water douses the flames and makes Fire die out.
Fire feeds on the Wind to grow stronger.
At least Water is actually versatile and can be used in many ways, Fire is most boring Chakra Nature.

That’s not how chakra works. You can get more than a single element out of mixing the basic 5. Mud release is made from the same water + earth combo Wood release is.

Not the same guy that posted the theoretical advanced elemental relationships until Mud Release was revealed.

>Mud release
One of the meme releases from anime or novels?

Mud release is stupid because people that use earth release make mud anyways, so whats the fucking point.

Precisely, that's why I see it as a meme release. It feels like dumb idea, especially when a superior anime idea of Crystal release exists.

Novels.

Friendly reminder that Kidomaru was using a Hijutsu, which puts him in the same category as Shino, Suigetsu, and Ino-Shika-Cho.

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I always thought the wheel-affinity system for 'elements' is a bit dumb. Moreover when they try to fit stuff into it that is definitely not elementally related, like curses and whatnot. Naruto is a fine example of an universe in which everything just went out the window as soon as the elemental system couldn't explain whatever the author felt like introducing at any point in the story.
I don't remember where, but there was this one story that separated elements from other magical axes completely.
The elemental axis was, in order, light, fire, air, water, earth and dark. Then there was the matter axis (creation/destruction), the karmic axis (good/bad), and the arcane(/void) axis. Mix and matching stuff from those and you could legitimately conceive any magic effect with a semblance of realism. At least, it was internally consistent and robust.

>You may not like it, but this is the best power system in any manga.
*lean in*
Wrong.

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It's based on either Chinese or Japanese system, one that is also replicated in Legend of 5 Rings, except they have traditional Void instead of Lightning.

That’s why Yin Yang exist, for everything else that doesn’t fall under the elements.

Ying-Yang/Dao/Karma is absolutely necessary to the making of a good 'magic' system in fiction, yeah.

You should. White people are more accepting of abstract bullshit that has no rules, but nips aren't. And these stories are written for the same demographics: teenagers and manchildren. Compare Harry Potter to Naruto. They're the same shit, but Naruto at least has a little more mechanical structure to its power system. Harry Potter has literally nothing. J.K. Rowling even laughs at the people who complain to her about it, saying it's the reason grown men don't like her stories and, oh well, fuck them.

Of course there are Hijutsu, Kekkei Genkai, and other ninjutsu that does not rely on Yin, Yang, or Yin-Yang Release, such as:
Kekkei Genkai: Shikotsumyaku, Juugo's Sage Transformation, Sakon/Ukon's Souma no Jutsu
Hijutsu: Kidomaru, Shino, Jiongu/Earth Grudge Fear (Kakuzu's Hijutsu and Kinjutsu of Takigakure), Fuu's Hiden: Hiding in Scale Powder Technique (While the kanji in the term "rinpun" (鱗粉) literally mean "scale powder", the term refers specifically to insect scales (such as the "dust" on moth wings). According to old wives' tales, that dust causes blindness.)
Other kinds of Ninjutsu that does not have specific kind of making: Poison Mist (used by Shizune), Toad Oil Bullet (Myobokuzan thing, used both by Gamabunta and Jiraiya, a crime that Naruto was not made its user over time skip).

There is only ONE element that matters, the most powerful one.

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>t. retard
Ever seen sand dissolve into water?

>teenagers and manchildren
Most of them don't care that much as long as there's girls to obsess over.

>cutting of the "That was a good rape" part
Why?

>basic summon fire is 6 hand signs
>summoning X fully functional copies of yourself that can also use abilities and will automatically return remaining chakra and knowledge/experience to you on dissipation is 1
>teleporting is 0
It didn't even need the gratuitous elemental jerking, it was fine without it.

People read Harry Potter and battle shounen for the girls, user?

Why do you think there's romance and girls in all of them, user?

nen is infinetly better

There's girls because girls exist and boys like girls. There's romance because there's girls and boys like girls. However, girls are nowhere near as prevalent as boys and the romance is nowhere near as prevalent as the action, adventure, comedy and drama.

So we can assume they were talking about a rooster.

2hus die without a hat or a ribbon

Negima did it better

I think it's pretty telling that En is used as the benchmark for someone being a "nen master" or not. It's supposed to be a lot more demanding than the others skill wise, and Gon/Killua have been pretty rushed in their training.
That, and Killua actually uses really crappy En for his reflex ability, and Leorio's ultrasound was likened to it. So it's not explicitly neglected even among them.
And I headcanon In as completely removing all intent from your aura (continue to maintain the technique while actively subduing all of your emotion), but yeah he's framed it in a questionable way likening it to zetsu.

This. Not to pretend elements weren't always a thing, but they came off as filler techniques/easy bloodline trait padding so that the other, more interesting stuff wouldn't be so strained. Then it just felt like he got lazy and said "let's pretend elements are interesting so we can reduce the series to color coded energy blasts with tiny pokemon mechanics."

The better you are, the less hand-seals you need in general.
That being said, Kage Bunshin requires large chakra reserves, so amount of hand-seals is irrelevant for it if you can't do it anyway, while Hiraishin requires more skill and additional individual skills required to perform it, so it might as well require none.
Then again, both Kage Bunshin and Hiraishin were created by Tobirama, likely for the sake of killing Uchiha shits, which can copy hand-seals.
And I am not even sure Kage Bunshins use orthodox hand-seal or an unique one. And given it splits chakra reserves in half, it's something that Uchiha can't really do.

I'll give you Tobirama and Minato preforming them, even if warping space having the capacity to be hand sign negligible seems like it should make the whole system a joke. But just throwing a lot of chakra at a board shouldn't make up for the lack of seals that say Naruto had to use after one night of trying. A single clone doesn't necessarily require a substantial amount of chakra (outside of %) to successfully produce, and it's still an absurdly complex thing to make, even forgoing the extra magic it turned out to automatically do later. Putting any faith into his initial concept of hand seals, producing something really complex, especially when having to muster up and shape a ton of chakra, should require a ton of hand signs. It's a borked execution.

"Chakra elements" have their own features outside of the elements they relate to, right? So "wind chakra" can cut. Earth can presumably harden/reinforce, if Kakuzu is anything to go by. Fire probably just burns. Lightning can... through vibrations: pierce, cut, harden, burn, paralyze, and grant super speed. Because that's fair. And water can do? He barely wanted to think about yin and yang, since they were his get out of jail free cards, so they clearly do fuck all. Bringing attention to the elements was a mistake.

They have more features than that. Wind can be invisible (see Boruto’s wind style rasengan). I don’t think each element is only good at a single thing given this.
Water can presumably take the properties of normal water (suigetsu) or act as a pressure hose or any infinite number of things as long as it vaguely resembles water as a concept.

Hand-seals are to make it easier to focus on proper chakra manipulation.
Kage Bunshins are easier for Naruto than regular Bunshins because they are about splitting chakra regardless of chakra control.
Also, they still needs good amount of chakra, because it's quite clear that unless the clone is dispelled on its own decision, chakra should be lost. Something that those with low chakra amounts would want to avoid.

So because the one sign will always halve his chakra, the part about shaping it into 100+ separate humanoid copies of himself, giving them human substance and intellect is suddenly immaterial?
And an individual's logic in how they themselves would want to use the technique doesn't set the baseline rules of being able to preform it. That's still immaterial as far as complexity goes.

Water is highly versatile, as you can make high pressure bullets, big jutsus that can crush you with sheer force behind them, water sharks that bite, several jutsus that can imprison and drown you, and then there's Kisame's Great Shark Bullet that is supposed to be able to eat chakra from enemy's ninjutsu and add it to its own strength.

Yin and Yang in general shouldn't be that hard to figure out, given what we know are confirmed to be on side of either of those releases:
Yin: Genjutsu, Nara's Kagemane, Yamanaka's Shintenshin, hungry ghosts from Tayuya's Doki summons
Yang: Medical Ninjutsu, Akimichi's Baika no Jutsu
Yin is about mind, spiritual, illusion, ethereal. Yang is about body, physical.
Once such principles are known, imagining possible jutsus ain't that weird.
Also, it is known that even regular 5 Elements can have Yin or Yang leaning, as displayed by Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara.
Which could mean that Amaterasu is actually
made with unbalanced chakra, leaning Yin, so it needs Yang/physical to balance itself and die out, which makes it very hard to put out. I base this on comparison to Tayuya's hungry ghosts, Indra's line being gifted with Yin and powerful chakra, while Ashura's line has Yang and big stamina.

The sign takes the chakra he makes/has and splits it evenly between amount of clones he makes at the same time.
And hey, don't ask me how it works, it's ninjutsu, I ain't gonna explain shit.

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I don't actually expect anyone to have the answers, the point's just that KB alone shows the system's a bit of a joke.

You're getting into actual "I've moved my hands and made something" techniques instead of pure chakra natures. Kishimoto explicitly described what happens when you just manifest straight wind style or lightning style chakra, and didn't do that for the others. And Kisame's water techniques being able to consume chakra is his sword anyway.

>earth blocks the flow of water
Pretty sure irl water does not care about anything

>And Kisame's water techniques being able to consume chakra is his sword anyway.
No, it isn't. Kisame, just like one of Kabuto's genin teammates (I think that one was Yoroi) and Jirobo, can drain chakra from opponents without using Samehada too. He did it to Aoba, when the latter used his trick with chakra conductive kunai and wire to pour chakra into Kisame to paralyse him, but Kisame can reverse his chakra spin to drain chakra.
And he did that jutsu when he already didn't had Samehada.

Gaara could manipulate sand post Shukkaku removal. Doesn't mean it wasn't a trait given to him explicitly by hosting Shukkaku. And Samehada, for all intents and purposes, was likened to a bijuu for a number of ways, immense chakra sharing and capacity to physically transform the user being principle here. I think it's a fair guess that Kisame's standout proficiency with chakra absorption, particularly at range, might stem from his sword.
Either way, the main point there is that it wasn't a feature of water nature chakra.

He’s part of the Kazekage clan, who’s KG is magnetism manipulation of gold, sand, iron, etc.
He always had the ability, especially since the sand was retconned to not even be from the 1 tails.

They still couldn't manipulate sand itself with that bloodline. Only Shukkaku and his hosts were able to. At best, you'd have that the pairing of the two let it persist, but that's arguable. And the only thing explicitly retconned from not being Shukakku was the consciousness behind the automatic defense.

It has been proven that Gaara actually possess Magnet Release Kekkei Genkai (which is also power possessed by Shukaku as proven by Magnet Release Rasengan used by Naruto), which explains the thing that was said about Gaara being first child of 4th Kazekage that was compatible with becoming Shukaku's Jinchuuriki. So it's clear that Great Shark Bullet is at best requiring special way of making the chakra for it to work like that.
Still, even if it's not inherent nature of Water, it's still most versatile of basic elements, capable of being used in highest amount of ways.

His mother is the reason he can manipulate sand, not Shukkaku.

His mother is responsible for the automatic shield, because her consciousness was part of the seal mingled with Shukakku's chakra. That's not the same thing as being responsible for the sand manipulation itself.
Regardless, regular magnet release wasn't enough for the other members of his bloodline to manipulate sand itself. Naruto no longer has Son Goku or Shukaku and, in spite of only having access to them briefly, can still use their respective versions of magnet release and lava release in his own way. The G&S brothers didn't even have a portion of the ninetails truly sealed into them, and they seemingly permanently had access to a version of it's transformations.
There's plenty of evidence showing lasting effects from things giving jinchuriki levels of chakra.
>Still, even if it's not inherent nature of Water, it's still most versatile of basic elements, capable of being used in highest amount of ways.
Full water jutsu. I'm not disputing that. Again, lightning and wind were given aspects for their specific chakra types without doing any more than the basic nature change, and that's what I'm getting at.

>making a power system for a homebrewed setting
>basically use the same elements as Naruto
>want to make it so that a earth user with enought training might be able to use metal and even other solid materials
>have a neat arrangement of solid, liquid, gas and energy
>realize that both fire and thunder are energy related
>don't want to keep both under the same category
Fuck me

Where's light and darkness?

Plasma.

>And I am not even sure Kage Bunshins use orthodox hand-seal or an unique one. And given it splits chakra reserves in half, it's something that Uchiha can't really do.
Of course they can. Itachi and Kakashi both have shit chakra by Uchiha standards yet they both can use it. Even Sarada could copy it and use it.

Oh, I had never thought of it that way.

Yin and Yang are separate.