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Juan Smith
I always thought he was a neat character, not to mention his fantastic 5th form as well. Also no saiya people allowed in this thread or I'm blowing the filthy monkey planet apart.
Caleb Parker
Gonna have to settle with Golden Cooler for now. Unless they do a Broly and give Cooler more story next time around.
Connor Wilson
Hey wait a minute
Lucas Robinson
What!? my brother killed by a saiyan that's absurd.
Jose Cooper
I wish Golden Cooler kept the lines on his mouth mask thing
Ryan Kelly
>Yeah, my favorite character is Yamcha, how did you know?
Julian Edwards
ORE WA, SUUPA BEJITA
Luis Wilson
I liked him. The metal version, maybe not so much.
Grayson Robinson
Yamcha could solo any other series universe no problem, he's only considered weak because he's in dragon ball
Bentley Wright
J-Jirenbros...please...let's return to Reddit and YT...
Brandon Cruz
He'll never become canon.
Logan Brown
Rent free
Nathaniel Robinson
Harsh.
Hudson Bell
I-it won't work, bro...they'll all laugh at us too...we should kill ourselves...
Nathan Garcia
Just like Gogeta right?
Caleb Edwards
Reminder that Super is shit.
Liam Thomas
>Goku but evil
>totally not Piccolo
>Frieza's brother but stronger and with a new form that has a built-in badass mask and spikes OC donut steel
Why were the Frieza saga OVAs so goddamn retarded?
Charles Richardson
Jaxson Perry
Don't shit this thread if you know what's good for you.
Wyatt Mitchell
>hating on tardku
shit taste
Jason Wilson
MY SON FREEZA WILL NOW BE IN CHARGE OF THIS THREAD, TREAT HIM WELL.
Jason Ross
I want her to eat me.
Wyatt Foster
>B-BEJITA-SAMA, PLEASE HELP ME PAY CHILD SUPPORT!
Robert Stewart
All the robo versions sucked and did nothing interesting.
Mecha-Freiza existed to job to Trunks
and Meta-Cooler existed to be the fucked up future in Terminator
Adrian Watson
Ji Fucking Ren.
Leo Jones
Caleb Lewis
same
Juan Hall
looks like my dick
Kevin Collins
Dr Gero should have spent his time building android wives, he would have been a rich man.
Isaiah Barnes
What kind of rock (because it's definitely some form of rock) do they listen to?
Alexander Ortiz
Ah, si mi favorite character is el Vegeta, how did you guess.
Jeremiah Wright
Go back to your arab country.
Elijah Morales
Beerus
Jack Davis
>Oorong sama... t-tasukete...
Jose Ross
Butt rock.
Elijah Thomas
based yamuchad
Elijah Barnes
LOL, you Vegetaspic. You should become a GokuCHAD like me.
Easton Long
This. They look like they would enjoy butt-related things in general.
Angel Gray
Assuming he's Cell tier (and that's being generous) and he's Solar System level, that puts him below
>DC
>Marvel
>Saint Seiya
>Sailor Moon
>Disgaea
>Pokemon
>Digimon
>God of War
>Kingdom Hearts
>Xenoblade
>Mario
>Kirby
>Persona
>Okami
Just to name a few
Nicholas Hall
You are now my new son!
Carson Parker
What about handsomeness level?
Connor Sullivan
Nope, he's a martial artist, he's above that shit you posted.
Anthony King
Bitch have you SEEN Zeke Von Genbu? Yamcha ain't got shit
Mason Howard
Zachary Myers
What did you mean by that?
Benjamin Stewart
Uh...? Look!
Aaron Williams
Noah Parker
Damn, Frieza got effortlessly obliterated by *that*?
Aiden Nelson
Ok, but what if they played baseball?
Hunter Bailey
hot
Parker White
OH um well you see you get some you lose some no big deal, also I'm seeing too many monkey's in this thread.
Lucas Barnes
To be fair, Vegeta had to blow himself half to hell to beat Toppo.
Jace Brooks
Gotta love all the Pedroes and Dokkan posters!
Jonathan Evans
Son, why?
Thomas Harris
coolest
Benjamin Perry
vegeta just grows extremely slowly. part of toriyama's *raffs* humor.
Joshua Hughes
Well you got some good digits so here is some more just for you.
Aiden Allen
Why does DB attracts so many Chads?
Jonathan Morgan
No es bueno.
Jonathan Sanchez
>He's a Martial Artist
>Superman knows Kyrptonian Martial arts (No seriously)
>Marvel, Apocolypse knows every type of fighting style there is having existed since the dawn of Egyptian culture
>Saint Saiya is literally built around hand to hand combat
>Makoto knows Martial Arts and scales to everyone else who are Solar System Busters+ by end of series
>Disgaea literally has a Martial Artist class and fist weapons are the second most common main character weapon type
>Pokemon has the entire fighting Type, which their God has access to
>Digimon has multiple fist fighters most notably Gankoomon and BanchoLeomon
>Kratos literally was trained in the most intense combat style in history
>Sora trained under Phil
>Reyn Time, argument invalid
>Mario owns a Master Diploma from a Martial Arts Master whose power rivaled Bowser literally wishing himself to be invincible.
>Kirby literally has multiple martial arts based forms
>Akihiko
>Amaterasu trains in multiple Dojos
Hmm. Seems like you don't know shit
Zachary Ortiz
>How do we make Bulma younger?
>Just make another one
Carson Foster
Goku and Vegeta shitters are here falseflagging and shit until someone mentions their boy fucking kek
Lincoln Scott
>Most Potential
>Married to a hot wife
>Genius
>Rich and Successful
>Reaches SSB level after a few days of training
>Side bitches include Kefla, Kale, Caulifla, Vados + too many to list
>Master Strategist
>The most handsome character in existence
>Gods of Destruction respect him
>Literally the strongest and most liked character
>Good friends with Gogeta, Broly & Jiren, they all admire CHADhan.
So great that Toriyama and Toei were forced by their government to place more emphasis on the supporting characters.
Owen Stewart
thanks
Robert Murphy
well it's a show about gigachads fighting
Grayson Green
Enter CHADren.
Eli Perry
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Cameron Martinez
More good digits? Okay here is another.
>That hair
Why?
Xavier Adams
Dare I say it, this post is based
Dylan Ward
Would you beat your wife?
Nathaniel Bell
Step aside JOBren
Jayden Ortiz
It seems like you're dumb, take their special little magic powers away and they're nothing compared o Yamcha, your stupidity and lack of understanding of how much Yamcha was able to grow is appalling, kryptonion martial arts, give me a fucking break.
Owen Hughes
I know it's non-canon, but why doesn't Goku use the Dragon Fist? He could develop multiple variants and uses for the technique just like Luffy has for his Gomu Gomu no powers.
Jack Ortiz
Based
Bentley Brooks
Based Jirenbro
Jace Rivera
Yes, Carlos. Especially if said wife is an intolerable, useless cunt.
Levi Campbell
Because it's shit.
Cooper Russell
>Saint Seiya aka most characters can't fly so Yamcha can literally air camp with Sokidan or Kamehameha almost every single character in that universe
>using le funni Reyn meme instead of actual arguments
>fucking Mario
Cope.
Thomas Cook
Okay take Yamcha's Ki away and he'll be downgraded to bullet level, like Goku did even after absorbing God Ki
Luis Gutierrez
>but why doesn't Goku use the Dragon Fist
I think he has.
Anthony Gutierrez
>>Saint Seiya aka most characters can't fly so Yamcha can
>Most
The argument was he solos the verse. If he can't solo the verse than it's a loss.
>>fucking Mario
Yeah, Mario. The guy who survived an Event Horizon that absorbed multiple galaxies.
Colton Price
Marketing. Look what they did to the Spirit Bomb. Every time it was used it failed, except one time. Kaioken was nearly forgotten, not its back. Dragon Fist is the same way. It can only be used when the stars are aligned.
Lincoln Ward
No it isn't
Angel Long
Maybe it is.
Wyatt Williams
Here's the biggest CHAD in the series. Now who's the second biggest chad?
Jacob Rogers
Take his ki away and he will faint like any other person, ki is not magic it's your energy.
Landon Harris
Yamchump
Mason Parker
Krillin is the best character.
Samuel Edwards
ORE WA SUPPA BEJITA
Adam Price
Based.
Leo Martinez
base CHADgeta
Elijah Ortiz
>fucking a sex toy
>jobbed to a freeza clone
Brandon Foster
This is basedness I have come to expect from DBS threads ruled and dominated by virtuous Jirenchads.
Aiden Long
Hunter Collins
Good character concept that was squandered on an otherwise dull movie. Too much buildup with not enough payoff
James Howard
Ki is just as magical as anything else.
Also Xenoblade isn't magic, it's literally all Divinity power ups
Same with Kratos, he was able to overpower Atlas just fine
Also the same with Disgaea, Killia and Void Dark shook the entire Netherworld (which is it's own Universe) with just raw power before even thinking of using magic.
Mario and Kirby are also all raw power.
But you'll just move the goalpost again because I disproved your little meme because you're too pathetic to actually scale and admit that Dragon Ball isn't the end all be all of power levels.
Like shit Yea Forums flipped it's shit over Thanos with the IG memes and Thanos with the IG isn't even the strongest form of Thanos
Josiah Hughes
>Headbutting Tien
>Headbutting King Piccolo
>Headbutting Jr
Whatever happened to this gem of a move?
Jaxon Rogers
Enter Trunks.
Isaac King
Essentially headbutted Jiren too
James King
What's he dreaming about bros?
Zachary Richardson
>fucking a sex toy
If not Krillin then it would have been you.
Logan Sanchez
What exactly is so good about his character concept? He's a Toei OC who is related to Frieza but stronger. That's the kind of shitty OC design that most people laugh at. And his final form looks like a downgrade of Frieza's 4th form. It's possibly the shittiest Toei OC there is. Metal Cooler is actually kind of cool, though. But not regular Cooler.
Easton Campbell
t. Keklycuck
Camden Green
Broly duh
Justin Rogers
>ugly thot with a dyke haircut
No thanks.
Oliver Johnson
Cooler Is my favorite db character. I've always like how efficient a villian he is, He's got the whole If its worth doing its worth doing right. Not to mention his bad ass 5th form.
Carter Nguyen
why did they ruin Trunks design in Super? fucking hacks.
Hunter Ortiz
>raised by
Isaac Baker
>He's a Toei OC who is related to Frieza but stronger. That's the kind of shitty OC design that most people laugh at.
Frieza has a father, why not a brother?
>And his final form looks like a downgrade of Frieza's 4th form.
I liked it. Buff enough to look powerful, but human enough to look intelligent.
>Metal Cooler is actually kind of cool, though.
You've got to be kidding. That whole movie is so ugly, and it's retarded for Cooler to bring Vegeta and Goku into his core where he's vulnerable.
Brandon Scott
>Ki is just as magical as anything else.
Stopped reading there, come back when you understand what ki is, friend.
Christian Mitchell
I think they're developing Bulla into her own character since Broly revealed Bulma's been making herself 5 years younger every few years. That and her sister who's 12 years older still looks young in Super.
Logan Hughes
It's not an original concept, but a galactic tyrant that doesn't fuck around as much as Frieza did and inspires palpable fear in the heart of all his underlings is a lot cooler of an antagonist than the clown we got on Namek. They could've done more with it but fell flat.
Ethan Hill
Pick one, or one not here I wish I had one like this but complete
Jeremiah Young
Also, my sentiments are the same for Metal Cooler. Really cool concept that was mishandled and ultimately made into a mediocre movie.
Kevin Harris
>It's possibly the shittiest Toei OC there is
Bio-Broly exists
William Carter
Kevin Foster
Lunch > DB Mai (Super Mai can go die) = 80s Porn Star Hair Bulma > DB Chi Chi > 18 > Bulma > Marron > Pigtail Videl > The rest > Dog shit > Pig Shit > Regular Chi Chi
Ayden Fisher
>Fuck 18
>Marry Bulma
>Kill Mai
Brody Murphy
I miss her.
Jaxon James
>t.tien
Mason Diaz
Doesn't she start her own delivery business or something?
Jonathan Jones
>no movie where Freeza decides he has to fusion with Cooler and we get Freler vs Gogeta
Colton Martinez
Basically gets her life together and does real work. And stays in her blonde form too. She is still around she just lives as a normal human.
Daniel Perez
>It's possibly the shittiest Toei OC there is
*blocks your path*
Blake Fisher
>Frieza has a father, why not a brother?
Yeah, but why, though? What made Frieza a good villain was all the buildup, which Cooler doesn't have. He's just riding on Frieza's coattails without doing anything original. Why not make something actually new instead of being that lazy?
>I liked it. Buff enough to look powerful, but human enough to look intelligent.
The whole point of Frieza's 4th form was that it did away with the unnecessary horns and spikes of his previous forms in favor of a smaller, sleeker design that looks optimized for combat. Cooler's 5th form goes back to the dumb huge head and spikes. He looks like the 3rd form.
>You've got to be kidding. That whole movie is so ugly, and it's retarded for Cooler to bring Vegeta and Goku into his core where he's vulnerable.
I didn't say that the movie was good. I just said that Metal Cooler is kind of cool. His design looks good and that twist where they kill him and like 100 of them just show up actually made him threatening. The regular Cooler from the original movie didn't do anything half as interesting as that.
Samuel Morales
Bane?
Chase Richardson
>VA is married to Launch's VA
Based, he made it bros.
Aaron Cruz
Wyatt Gray
No.
Dominic Scott
You're waifu a cute, Carlos.
Landon Davis
That whole thing is fanservice. They don't seem to care anyways. They actually listen to the fans which is surprising.
Ethan Scott
soon
Julian Adams
Quiet for Whis.
Camden Scott
>Not the strongest character
>Not the strongest human
>Probably not even the strongest baseball player
>But he still manages to cuck Tenshinhan
What does Toriyama have against the Chinese?
Hudson Miller
Enter Whis
Gabriel Jackson
At least they remembered what the tail was used for.
Aiden Thomas
>Gokek didn't kiss this
OH NONONONO HAHAHA
Mason Davis
Not Toei
David Adams
Want me to kiss you?
Brandon Stewart
A little payback from when Tien broke his leg, also I'm pretty sure he's canonically the best pro baseball player in the world, and since Goku and his friends don't play baseball outside of the very casual game from Super, we can probably assume he's the strongest as well.
Joshua Hall
I hate him so fucking much, lads
Henry Peterson
but someone else most certainly did.
Sebastian Russell
>B-BEJITA, PLEEEEEEEASE
Nathaniel Baker
That's beer not whiskey.
Colton Harris
Charles Evans
Cute
Who?
Jackson Flores
So the Yamcha genes kicked in when he hit puberty! That explains EVERYTHING.
Asher Evans
Bejita-sama... Why oh why won't you kiss my wife? I know she is not as pretty, or as cute, or as rich, or as kind as your wife, but please!
Aaron Torres
Accurate
Jordan King
Masako Cringe
Ryan Allen
Go fuck a camel, retard
Elijah Smith
YES! PLEASURE HER IN WAYS I NEVER COULD BEJITA-SAMAAAA!
Jace Johnson
>This is your average Goku fan
...
Ryan Torres
"Android" is a mistranslation, brainlet.
Cyborg is far more accurate to what 17 and 18 are.
You're most likely some fat roastie piggu anyway. No one cares what you think
Noah Edwards
Do you know why men have nipples? It has to do with how the embryo development works. At the beggining, men and women come from the same blueprint, therefore all develop nipples (gay). At some point, the male chromosome kicks in and the man features start developing, but after the girly damage is done. Therefore lowly saiyans and humans with nipples are known to have a feminine side eternally showing in their chest and chromosomes.
But this man, let me repeat... this MAN is 100% MALE. From the first cellular division that happened on his mother's womb, he was a MAN. Literally 0 trace of woman chromosomes since day one. As you can see on his steel chest, he has no trace of weakness.
No wonder he is at the top. I'm sure he doesn't have imperfections like a navel either
Hunter Phillips
KEK, BASED
Robert Williams
That's not all he's lacking...
James Scott
Freiza is cool but his brother is Cooler
Robert Perez
a lot of the discussionfags on yt are meanwhile dokkan chads are usually vegeta fans
Josiah Fisher
kek. based.
Oliver Brown
>fanart
You lost and in record time
Evan Davis
Vegeta got shorter.
Dylan Torres
Nothing suggests Jiren has genitalia. Namekians don't.
Xavier Morgan
He had a mother and father. Cope me a river
Brayden Reyes
It's not an unfair mistake to make. All of Gero's works are referred to as Artificial Humans (Jinzōningen), and all but three (17, 18, and 20(Gero)) were actual androids.
Brayden Flores
cope
Hudson Walker
John Davis
>still posts fanart
Jej
Brayden Hall
Ayden Thomas
>BrolyChads literally swim in money
Feels good to spend on a worthy cause like GODly content, and not having to ask mommy for 20 bucks so I don't have to do captchas on 4channel!
Brody Phillips
/toy/spam again. Grow up
Jack Ward
That's a nice pusy
Logan Morgan
>Muttly jihadists are funded by Qatari sheiks
Jayden Morgan
Huge grey dick. Speedwatchers BTFO
Grayson Lopez
Do you guys ever talk about Dragon Ball in these threads?
Nathaniel Gutierrez
>it's a toeidog episode
Kneel.
Dominic Cruz
Triple based
Asher Richardson
Not an argument, NEXT.
Brayden Baker
I'M SORRY MASTER
Justin Williams
See
Aaron Morris
Based
Bentley Kelly
Cute
William Ross
No. DB's not deep enough for any lingering discussion, so until the next chapter we're just gonna recycle the same shitposts over and over.
Carson Garcia
Sometimes we manage to do it for a few posts. After that, it's all CHAD wars as usual.
Cooper Barnes
We usually do with the chapter releases.
Xavier Anderson
>DB
That's gay
Wyatt Miller
so never then
Grayson Jenkins
Broly in Super is lame. Having no origin for his power other than being born with it is boring, and way too big of a stretch given his insane strength. Hes just a mortal saiyan after all
Even if a saiyan was born as strong as cell it would still be a stretch, but this nigga straight up goes toe to toe with Gogeta Blue. It's ludicrous he's not obliterated in one hit
Chase Bennett
>H-H-HOW C-COULD T-THIS H-HAPPEN TO ME...!? B-BURORI SAMA...! FORGIVE..!
Jordan Fisher
>Having no origin for his power
so does Zdogly, so does Jobren
Christian Myers
There's a handful of posters that do while the majority are just that need to fuck off to .
Daniel Collins
>GOKU FUSING WITH VEGETA MAKES HIM WEAKER BECAUSE I HATE HIM!!!!
Caleb Rivera
>if they don't explicitly say what is the origin t-then they don't have one
Cope, shitlyfag
What do you expect? He is almost GoD level by just existing, because he had to sell. It make no sense of him being above SS3 tier. This is a cartoon for children after all
Jack Murphy
>if they don't explicitly say what is the origin then they don't have one
water is wet
Hunter Lopez
At least Jiren has the excuse of being literally the strongest being from an entirely separate universe, where power levels don't have to follow the same logic as u7
To say that a Saiyan is born not only stronger than cell, or Majin Buu, or even fucking potentially as strong as Goku Black, who tore holes through the fabric of reality with sheer power is absolutely rediculous and makes no sense
Cameron Wright
That's why it's called "legendary" super saiyan. Like once in a millennia.
Cameron Baker
They could have GIVEN him a reason to be that strong. I don't think a ton of people would complain if they revealed Broly was the ancient Super Saiyan God or some sort of retcon like that to make the character fit better
Cooper Thompson
>To say that a Saiyan is born not only stronger than cell, or Majin Buu, or even fucking potentially as strong as Goku Black, who tore holes through the fabric of reality with sheer power is absolutely rediculous and makes no sense
the fuck are you talking about? Broly is a flea before he met Goku and Vegeta, he didn't born to be a god out of nowhere, he abused zenkai and his dad's death
Lucas Hughes
Look at this nonsense, this much seething at a friendly BrolyChad that was praising the Brolyfriends...
And you call others jihadits too...
Luis Young
>literally affirming his completely retarded statment
Imagine being you. Just imagine.
John Gutierrez
>base kekly solos base frieza
>Jobren jobs to base frieza
Benjamin King
He spent 40 years in a hellhole. You think he didn't get a few hundred Zenkai boosts?
Joshua Davis
>lol high power level at birth bro.
>lol he gets angry like the hulk bro
And they say Jiren has bad background
Jose Perez
>Dogly has no explanation to his power! mutant? no no no fuck that shit! we are supposed to hate him!
>Jiren is stronk and that's a valid explanation!
Tyler Edwards
>You think he didn't get a few hundred Zenkai boosts?
Imagine being this retarded. Well this is the kind of people the movie aims for after all.
Angel Jenkins
>Broly is a flea before he met Goku and Vegeta
Not really. "he becomes more powerful as he fights" bullshit barely makes sense when he's this strong. He goes from base to beyond the strength of super Saiyan 3 because he's just got super good genes? I'm not convinced
Barely training at all. Even if he was almost killed by giant space monsters a trillion times, he didn't even have the chance to increase the gravity of his environment, train with masters and God's, etc.
Jeremiah Wood
Remindo that Freeza knocked out Jiren in one hit
Noah Sanchez
>lol he gets angry like the hulk bro
it was confirmed saiyans asspulls power when they are angry since Z so i don't know what you're talking about
Jace Morales
>a valid explanation!
What part of no explanation yet you don't get you paco the taco seller?
Asher Moore
>LOL Goku and Vegeta should have just got madder so they went Beerus tier by the time Cell arrived bro!
Kys
Connor Turner
Literally almost the case at BoG, speedwatcher
Nathan Kelly
Cope.
He was born with a power level of 920 as an infant. You don't think his Zenkais are retardedly OP as well?
Besides, he went from sub-SSG to GoD-tier in a couple of hours, he probably did the same for FORTY YEARS on Vampa.
Nathan Garcia
oh okay then, Jiren is okay without an explanation but Broly isn't because you like Jiren and there's another reason to shit at him huh? how petty
Zachary Watson
J-Jobrenbros...
Angel Ward
>You don't think his Zenkais are retardedly OP as well?
That's my fucking problem, my dude. Having no origin of his strength beyond "he has super duper good zenkai boosts :)" is fucking boring, and above all else, retarded. It makes no sense at this level of strength. It wouldn't even make sense if he was as strong as SSG Goku
Brody Sullivan
>mai
No buy.
Adrian Allen
>having no origin of his strength beyond "he has super duper good zenkai boosts :)" is fucking boring
Black literally did the same thing until his base form equals to SS2 and no one complained
Cooper Robinson
> Doglyfaggot
> Kid
> Muuuh my toyz muuuh
Landon Long
>the movie takes time to show that he is using the power of great ape in human form then becomes SSJ which results in the green power
>no origin for his power
I bet you vote for republicans
Thomas Fisher
Black at least has the consciousness of a god and body of post-BoG Goku. I can accept retarded strength from him because there is an effort to explain WHY he's so strong. Broly at the end of the day is just a Saiyan born to normal Saiyan parents but just so happens to be the most powerful being in the universe, competing even with Blue Gogeta and Golden Frieza just because
Benjamin Gray
12 CENTS
Owen Bailey
Even his great ape form shouldn't be anywhere near this strong
Jordan Fisher
>Golden Frieza
It's funny you mention that. Frieza is a prodigy who can train for four months and surpass SSG, Broly's just a Saiyan version of that.
Dominic Price
I'd like to seize this opportunity to congratulate all my fellow Jirenbrothers. We have successfully become the strongest and most predominant characterfags this entire site has ever seen.
By congregating our collective above-average IQs into one line of posting, we have successfully dwarfed every other characterfagging prior to us.
Oh but that is not even the best part. Our "competition" if you can even call it that, has been thwarted and stomped into submission in ways never even thought possible. With the most clever and eloquent pastas I've personally ever seen, we slowly but surely drove the anti-jiren jihadists and pedros MAD with anger and frustration.
Since our constant streak of victories ensuing in every thread for months on end, they have tried: Crying to the mods, posting autistic ISIS edits, editing Jiren's pictures to make him shorter, making petty threads only to get archived or deleted to get away from Chadren threads, spamming literal faggot porn, Yea Forums spam, /toy/ spam, cardposting, blatantly lying and posting nonsense, out of context baiting, RTHing, textless waifushit spam to image limit more than once, and the list goes on. Needless to say, nothing worked.
It surely doesn't help their cause either that official media constantly treats and announces Jiren as the strongest mortal in DB universe.
To put it plainly, thank you, my fellow Jirenbros. Our outstanding genius work will not be soon forgotten, nor will Jiren himself.
Nathan Ramirez
Friezas power boost in RoF is just as retarded and I'm in no way defending it. It upset me just as much if not more than Brolys bullshit
Joseph Cook
(cont.)
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go fuck myself with a dragon dildo while I masturbate to Jiren yaoi. It's long and exhausting for someone of my weight (600 lbs) to argue for this long.
Jason Hill
I'm just giving you a pity (you), you're getting fucking wrecked, you don't have a comeback to anything bro, get better game.
Gavin Allen
at least consider using the pasta to spread our shitpost on other boards
John Russell
not canon
Dylan Morales
Cope.
Logan Scott
Kek, HOLY BASED
Michael Hernandez
Brolys power was complete hack writing, they literally justified him going toe to toe with God forms with "he can tap into his Oozaru powers lol". They'll probably never use him in the story again without retconning his strength somehow, because he's completely beyond the reach of anyone but UI/fusion, and realistically he'd have to learn SS2 at some point.
The funniest part is that it makes Beerus look utterly pathetic, guy is 200 million years old and has been training for god know how long and some random saiyan (whom the prophecy fish somehow forgot about) gets on his level in the course of one (1) fight
Asher Mitchell
Are you really implying that "my bulma" asspull made Vegeta substantially stronger
Mason Russell
>strawman
Just accept your defeat
Ryder Martinez
it literally states it made Vegeta above SS3 tier speedwatcher
Ryder Gonzalez
He is literally Frieza in every single aspect.
Easton Price
why merged zamasu has goku black face???
Joseph Diaz
except he's jobbier
Easton Baker
It did, saiyans getting angry does make them more powerful now (Vegeta in BoG, Trunks AND Goku in Black arc, MUI Goku vs Jiren, etc.)
The thing is that this was entirely a nuDB retcon, anger has never done shit for anyone in classic DBZ, there are plenty of examples of characters going ragemode to no effect (Vegeta vs Cell when he killed Trunks, for example)
Most importantly it was explicitly said to be a trait unique to Gohan, so I guess that's one more area where Gohan got cucked since everyone can rageboost now.
Oliver Barnes
Broly can easily learn SS2/3 and still be weaker than his full power, SSB is literally SS1 but with blue hair.
Also it's money in the bank.
Robert Bailey
Well, the point is that incredible prodigies DO exist in Dragon Ball. Combine that with OP Zenkais, forty years of fighting monsters, and being able to channel the Oozaru multiplier in his base form; and Broly's strength is a stretch, but not quite so implausible.
Charles Wright
Holy BASED
Dominic Williams
Exit Saiyans
Elijah Perry
JirenBros should I watch the Broly movie? I have it downloaded.
I never actually watched it, still was able to shitpost Cucklyfags into oblivion.
Ayden Jackson
>only the worst and cheapest for Jobren
Why the fuck am I laughing at this?
Luis Turner
Based and adultpilled
Logan Brooks
We should just stick to gay scat porn, fellow JirenBro.
Luke Cruz
Both the movie and the manga have characters theorizing about the bulky saiyans being the legendary saiyans of saiyan's folklore
Easton Cruz
>projecting this hard
jej
Ian Lee
Nah, better watch your daily trans porn.
Cooper Rivera
I know, Jirenfags are so pathetic.
Julian Torres
It literally is a stretch, he was SS Goku/Vegeta level at best, as his own father remarked that was what he knew as his limit, then he randomly asspulled more and more power with no explanation, somehow going from SS to SSB, as if they retconned the supposedly gigantic gap between regular and god forms.
John Diaz
>wrecked?
Where? Pussy
Ryder Perez
The idea was that he was getting stronger and stronger every second he fought. That's just a mutant power he has.
Adrian Bell
Today I will remind them.
Eli Collins
>Roshi
>Stronger than Goku
>Never mentions SS3
This is your brain on Vegetafagging
Its just gonna reinforce your already strong arguing arsenal of Jiren being stronger
Kevin Gonzalez
Good, I was going to do it myself but unfortunately they still seem to be plaguing the thread. Call the ginyu force?
Charles Reed
At least they don't fuck camels
Oliver Miller
Today I will remind them
Christian Cooper
>Vegeta vs Cell when he killed Trunks, for example
You mean when Vegeta went from "far weaker than SS Goku who was weaker than super duper suppressed Perfect Cell, who was weaker than SS Gohan, who was weaker than suppressed Perfect Cell, who was weaker than Perfect Cell, who was weaker than Super Perfect Cell..." to "strong enough to make Super Perfect Cell feel pain"?
Brody Nguyen
You've got a point, they could be Gohanfags.
Lucas Bailey
Woah now, that's a little risky.
Jace Diaz
Thats me on the bottom!
Camden Anderson
If Roshi didn't convince you, just rewatch the actual fight. Beerus defeats SS3 Goku in three blows, while ragemode SS2 Vegeta actually smacks him around a bit and draws blood.
Parker Cooper
I wonder if lssj is actually something different entirely, like opposite of ssg
broly/kale just have ultra hulkmode any saiyan can tap into
Caleb Davis
based
Chase Davis
>draws blood
So you're saying Shitrus is barely above SS3?
Tyler Edwards
because you touch yourself at night
Ryan Edwards
I think Cumber the Evil Saiyan is the opposite of SSG.
Gabriel Carter
The posture on this man
Kayden Sanders
i think you mean blackedren
Levi Jones
>any saiyan can tap into
No? If you are talking about Grade 2 and Grade 3 that shit is useless because only increases your muscles and you end up being slower, Kale and Broly gain height too so they don't lose any speed, it's an unique trait of the legendary saiyans. Also grades are a subform of basic SS, while legendary saiyans can go bananas without transforming
Nathan Adams
>asymmetrical body
unhealthy lad
Owen Jackson
Next time you meddle into adults' conversations you're gonna have a bad time, dog.
Jack Wilson
No, he's far above it.
youtube.com
It's just that Ragemode SS2 Vegeta surpassed SS3 Goku.
Levi Bennett
>no argument
>dog
I accept your concession.
Jonathan Barnes
J-Jirenbros…..w-why does my 1 inch pp get hard when I see Chadly's rock hard abs....I-I'm not Brolysexual am I?!
Blake Miller
Literally nobody has a symmetrical body, you retardo.
Carter Nguyen
>tfw you don't get to see Frieza in a suit.
Why live.
Benjamin Flores
>Dude I love Broly lmao
Luke Myers
BASED
Camden Ramirez
Connor Hall
Nolan Peterson
You mean like every Joblyfag?
Thomas Martin
I dunno Jirenbro, that might've been a BrolyStacy. I would know, they've rejected me dozens of times by now because of my neckbeard and fat rolls.
Levi Long
>Faglycucks projecting their gayness
Gonna be a yikes from me
Caleb Richardson
>dont get to see freeza in a casket
why even live
Joshua Gomez
Dude, did you even see this post It's pretty clear that JirenBros are a little light in the loafers, if you get my drift.
Lincoln Campbell
>Jirentard still thinks their art of samefagging will save them
Nicholas Turner
Step your game up
Joseph Barnes
Not trying to start an argument, I think it's great that you're so LGBT-friendly.
Josiah Miller
The wife kissing memes were vaguely funny at first, but now they're just obnoxious and overstayed their welcome
Jacob Young
this, i tried dogposting and cuckposting on other boards, the only thing that progressed is dogposting
Julian Walker
>wife-kissing
>ningenposting
We haven't had any good memes since the Black Arc, it sucks.
Colton Morales
There seriously needs to be a seperate board to contain Dragon Ball autism
John Gonzalez
Would this pair be weird?
Ryan Cruz
>joblys and kekrens bitching yet again
how pathetic
post characters who have beaten goku fair and square, unlike those 2 faggots
Jackson Evans
The Moro arc is only just getting into high gear, and the Broly movie's plot was too straightforward to be worth discussing much. We're stuck in a rut until the next big thing.
Samuel Miller
>gets on his level in the course of one (1) fight
doubtful because of Whis' lack of reaction, or care for Broly.
We've seen him stop a skirmish at the dinner table between Beerus and Champa because they could threaten their universes. But with Broly, he just laughs in his face and doesn't give a shit about him. Broly's FP wasn't even a threat to Earth. The most damage he did was melt a few ice caps, and that's him at full power, not holding back or anything cause he lost control of his mind.
He's trash, and Goku's opinion is trash.
Chase Richardson
Can do.
Dominic Howard
Has their ever been a battle between shitposters won as decisively as Jirenfags vs Brolytards?
David Turner
yes, look at the post with Jirentards sperging 'cope, dog, headcanon, B-BUT MUH TIRED JIREN! UNFAIR!' it's a win for Brolytards
James Reed
>We've seen him stop a skirmish at the dinner table between Beerus and Champa because they could threaten their universes.
That's just stupid non-canon anime shit, ignore it. They had the same thing happen in the BoG anime adaptation, but it wasn't in the movie.
Justin Morris
Evan Bennett
GohanCHADS vs Caulifags
Luke Smith
>.......
Anthony Richardson
I knew it was coming, but still chuckled.
Thomas Edwards
These threads have gotten stale, it's the same tired memes over and over again
Jack Harris
It happens in the manga too, albeit Beerus and Champa arguing about cake in space.
Whis stating that GoDs are prohibited to fight is literally one of the main reasons the U6 Champa arc happens.
Christian Lopez
All this arguing about Whis.
Anthony Parker
Right, I forgot that part. I'll concede that point.
As for Whis not taking Broly seriously, Broly was more focused on Frieza, wasn't he? His fight with Whis didn't have much time to get too heated before Gogeta showed up.
Benjamin Perry
I took an user's advice and read the manga online. It's so much better than the anime that it's comical. dbs is still stupid but at least the mangas quality make it stupid fun
Adrian Brooks
Freiza.
Nolan Ross
How old is Cabba?
Blake Williams
Mai and Trunks is canon. Nothing is weird anymore.
Joseph Brooks
Imagine having so much shit taste. Holy fucking newfag
Leo Peterson
>Black arc has less back and forth between timelines
>Jiren is actually likable
>Infinite Zamasu at least somewhat explained
>no tingly back
>no SS Rage
>SSB Kaioken comes later, takes a while to master
>skips RoF
The manga really is way better, aside from the part where Roshi goes up against Jiren.
Xavier Bailey
Will she ever appear in super dragon ball heroes?
Caleb Morgan
based YamCHAD poster
Isaiah Brooks
I think he's a teenager, maybe slightly older than Goten & Trunks.
True
Samuel Sanders
Reminder.
Lucas Torres
If android 21 eats you, can you be taken out like buu or are you inside her forever?
Same. I want her toswallow , digest , and shit me out
William Young
Every time I start to forget how bad the anime was, something comes along and reminds me.
Ayden Morales
Landon Harris
>Vegeta is crossing his arms as if everything is okay
>no wait it's not
Brody Ross
This broly has less character and personality than dbz broly.
Dbz's broly motivation was flat out retarded, but at least he could actually speak sentences and talked shit with enough strength to back it up
Landon Cruz
good and totally not fan fic but trunks getting healing powers FUCK THAT.
Jason Brooks
>>Jiren is actually likable
t. autistic capeshitter
Jonathan Morales
Jiren being an actual superhero at least makes him an interesting contrast to the scrappy, ragtag band of hicks, martial artists, and ex-supervillains who make up the Z-Fighters.
Anime Jiren is just another emo edgelord with a tragic past.
Matthew Parker
>he thinks Toei's Incelren is better than Toyo's Jiren
kill yourself Toeicuck
Jeremiah Martinez
Used to be a typical young adult 20ish grass eating pussy.
Just a tiny slant eyed version of cuck gohan.
They dyke duo were the same.
But they retconned them both into being young teenagers or children because everyone hated them and their scrawny twink bullshit.
Fucks sake, an 11 year old gohan and child trunks and goten were more buff then they were.
It was a stylistic decision that everyone hated and they themselves retconned. But only when ti came to buffing up the much hated female saiyajins.
Brayden Nguyen
>The same sources that say the manga is promotional material also say that the manga is an adaptation of the anime
>Turns out it was false all along and both the anime and manga are based on Tori's script. Toyo even says that there is almost no direct link between the anime and the manga.
Brody Rivera
Anime Jiren is actually just Gohan without the dragon balls. He's also objectively the only heroic person in the entire damned thing.
Easton Fisher
Ian Bailey
it's gokufags, they hate any and all other characters [that aren't goku] getting anime trope powers
Daniel Ward
He's using the Pride Troopers for his own ends, likes crushing people's hopes, and tries to murder Goku's friends. He's not heroic, he's a fucking schoolyard bully.
Joseph Perez
never gonna stop.
Benjamin Martin
Post SOUL
youtube.com
Tyler Allen
>newfag
I regularly posted in the early dbs threads on this board and the xenoverse general threads on /vg/ way before that.
Dominic Harris
And the source is kanzenshit?
Nicholas Gomez
>/vg/
try helping your buddy here and spread DB memes to a nearby thread ya hear?
Nathan Nguyen
James Hernandez
Nathaniel Thompson
How come people complain about Goku wank when he's never really defeated anyone on his own except for Freiza? The androids he never even got a chance to fight them, Trunks handled that, Cell, he gave up to give Gohan the kill, Buu, the spirit bomb is not his power, it's everyone's, Beerus, he managed to be the one onahole Beerus didn't break in his rabid fucking motions, Freiza again, he needed Whis to give him free shot, Zamasu, Trunks and Zeno got the final blows, Hit was a draw, Jiren was a desperate push, Broly required the fusion and Moro remains to be seen. Only Buu seems to be able to touch him because of the magic, defeating Moro with fisticuffs seems not to be the end game here. Goku's last solo victory in recent mind was his ultra instinct self completely blowing out Cumber in heroes
Ryan Russell
Because it's not his win that people complained, it's the amount of forms being poured into Goku and goku alone
Christopher James
>Buu, the spirit bomb is not his power, it's everyone's,
>Freiza again, he needed Whis to give him free shot,
>Jiren was a desperate push, Broly required the fusion
I think you could argue that those belonged mostly or at least partially to Goku. Having help from Frieza, Vegeta, Whis, etc. doesn't take away from Goku's victory.
I do agree that complaining about Goku wank is pretty vulgar and stupid, though. He is the main character.
Anthony Gomez
goku is shit and having a singular main character is stupid to begin with. especially when the story itself has very little to do with him and he's only there to fight and look the best.
Ian Lopez
>He could develop multiple variants
The thing about Dragon Ball is that these "abilities" are 1 hit wonders.
When the Kamehameha made it's debut it hasn't really been the end all be all.
Destructo Disc was also meant to be a finisher and not once has it killed anyone.
Special Beam Canon
Spirit Bomb
Final Flash
Vegeta's self sacrifice.
etc
Even the transformations are 1 hit wonders.
Hunter Peterson
If Dragon Ball were ever to pull a "Steel Ball Run", what would you keep, what would you change, and what would the new story be for characters like Goku?
Dylan Rodriguez
Youngling...this fanbase won't stand for another GT rehashing, Goku being the main character means squat.
You can have your Goku solo and take Pan with you while the rest gets their own show.
Isaiah James
>it’s ok when Toei does it.
Brandon Reyes
Jobbpo
Cooper Williams
Chodumber
Charles Gomez
Jobyspo
Wyatt Miller
Not much, but he's a more likable and matured version of Namek Freeza. Doesn't fuck around as much and when he's losing, he doesn't whine and freak out. He actually enjoys the fight.
Carson Cooper
those are just generic martial arts stances user
Ryan Peterson
Putain
Juan Hernandez
Not him but a/nons told me similar composition equals tracing, and you know they can't be wrong. Look, Toriyama is a tracer too, he just flipped the first Freeza to trace the second
Isaiah Morales
Super Saiyan 4 Full Power Dark Dragonball Broly
Apparently showing up again?
Nolan Sullivan
Who is this character supposed to be?
Julian Howard
I really hate all the SS4 Majin Edgelord Fusions that the tie-ins come up with.
Ryder Gutierrez
The name is just Broly Dark, user
Logan Evans
Jobyspo, Jobyspo...
Jose Perez
holy shit I just realized SS4FP isn't the same as SFPS4
How come everything involving SS4 is fucking retarded?
Aaron Lopez
Over 40 years of dragon ball and still no female great ape transformation. TRIGGERED.
Luke Davis
Tbh freezer power boost was less retarded. He was from a race that was ruling a massive space empire, he never trained because he was ridiculously better than everyone he encountered (except Gods) . That he trained and get fucking op is realistic the thing that is not is that he has a massive power boost but it stops, of course, before being stronger than super sayan blue.
For broly it's way more retarded.
Grayson Lopez
Juan Lewis
Fasha did
Nathan Sullivan
Pan
Jack Cox
(You)
Benjamin White
the goku wank lies in the fact that he is a disgusting and abusive psychopath that lacks self awareness while other characters pretend that he is a good guy, and so does part of the fandom for some reason, even that hag nozawa doesn't know what kind of psychopathic monster she plays
Joshua Jackson
Hours later and this still makes me fucking laugh. God bless you, user
Daniel Scott
>even that hag nozawa doesn't know what kind of psychopathic monster she plays
she's literally japanese sean schemmel complete with her bloated ego
Adam Lewis
shemel seems to at least have awareness about tardku, she literally told toriyama that world would be better with people like goku, disgusting
Carter Foster
not to defend schemmel but i think she kinda showed off when schemmel said that his voice is changing while Nozawa dabs on him by saying she's an eternal Goku, man, what an ego
Christian Harris
who would have guessed the student would fight like his master
Jack Hughes
>so does part of the fandom for some reason
search クズロット, everyone is pretty much redpilled about gokek's behavior
Brody Garcia
DB taught niggas that even Superheroes need to lift where actual cape shit stuff never did
Connor Howard
>niggas
i thought we're spics?
Jackson Wood
I wish Kid Gohan had grown up to be more like Future Gohan.
Brandon Foster
kek based
nicovideo.jp
Ayden Turner
Yeah I wish present Gohan was dead too
Jayden Smith
KISS HER RIGHT NOW BEJITA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Josiah Carter
>He's using the Pride Troopers
user, when they DESPERATELY tried to make him look like a bad guy or jerk or asshole it was such a complete out of nowhere heel turn that it was obvious that they needed him to look bad so Goku would look less like the villian
It failed.
School yard bully?
How?
He apparenly believed in overwhelming force and strength and himself alone. Why would he need the pride troopers or dress in their colors.
He could do their jobs by himself without breaking a fucking sweat.
Kill goku's friends? Who? Those faggots from the U6 that absolutely no one likes except for Vegeta for some retarded still unexplained reason?
The pride troopers can't kill them even if it was allowed by the rules. Hell piccolo alone could body their entire fucking organization except for toppo.
Oliver Anderson
FUCKING THANK YOU!
DB only flourished when it was an ensemble.
With Gohan being the noob with potential who's being amazed by everything that's going on around him.
Goku being pushed at the expense of litterally fuckign EVERYTHING ELSE in the story has been an unmitigated disaster. Espescially sense none of the hack writers know how little goku is actually needed to make things work or how to make goku look good when he is there.
Only Toriyama and some of the fanfiction makers understand this.
Everyone else are just mindless monkeys paid by toei/shueisha to push goku.
Robert Watson
>ENOUGH, KAKAROT! I have in me the blood of a Saiyan Prince! You are nothing but a cuck! Yet I've had to listen to this every day, each thread full to bursting! You've...you've even tried to bribe me as if I were a hired bull. You have ruined our threads. And you need...TO GET LAID!
Wyatt Jackson
Are you fucking retarded?
The kamehawave was never a fucking finisher.
It was a potentially powerful attack that could finish a fight.
It was potential and had flexibility in how it was used.
The same for all of those attacks you mentioned.
Special beam canon actually killed goku and radditz for fucks sake.
Just because it doesn't instant kill every time doesn't mean it's not useful. And you are absolutely fucking slow if you interpret those techniques as instakill finishers rather then techniques that have the potential to end fights and enemies.
Go sit in the stupid corner.
Levi Young
He's also cooler and not a prancing fruit.
I know the voice of frieza probably loved doing coolers voice.
Anthony Wood
He's just using the Pride Troopers so he can hone his strength. He doesn't give a shit about justice.
>School yard bully?
The only reason he wants to get stronger is so that he can feel like he's not the weakling he once was. To that end, he likes crushing peoples' hopes, so he can show how strong he is. He's literally picking on weaker fighters to feel better about himself.
>Kill goku's friends? Who?
He tries to blast them in the stands.
Camden Torres
>it is a janemba episode
Robert Rodriguez
>He was from a race that was ruling a massive space empire
The fuck?
No.
He was the mutant prodigy child of king cold. A mutant of unknown power potential(it's been rumored that the form we saw during the FT arc was his first form and he had further tranformations)
They are not the norm.
They are mutant beings of their race and king cold either wiped the rest of them out or enslaved them before he had frieza...probably by himself or in a lab.
There.
Now you know Frieza's origin.
By the by.
Frieza was in canon trained or disciplined heavily by King Cold so, while interesting, his NEVER TRAINED A DAY IN MY LIFE thing was bullshit.
How else can you explain his suppresion forms and how he understands how to go 100%.
He wouldn't even know that he should be able to go 100% or even how to do it if he's completely untrained.
Nathaniel Mitchell
our hero, son gokek
Angel Hill
see i told you we're not so different from the nips!
Daniel Morales
>He's just using the Pride Troopers so he can hone his strength.
How?
Someone who believes in their own strength would not bring in people who would get in his way or take on challenges no matter how minor that he would use to hone his own abilities. That's bullshit.
>He doesn't give a shit about justice.
Everything we've seen in both the anime and manga says you're full of shit.
>>School yard bully?
>The only reason he wants to get stronger is so that he can feel like he's not the weakling he once was. To that end, he likes crushing peoples' hopes, so he can show how strong he is. He's literally picking on weaker fighters to feel better about himself.
When has he ever at any point done any of that.
user, Goku went around PERSONALLY snuffing out the hopes of entire universes for fun while not even trying very hard and just PLAYING AROUND with people who know that they are going to die and their universes will never be the same.
>>Kill goku's friends? Who?
>He tries to blast them in the stands.
That last second OH GOD HE LOOKS LIKE THE GOOD GUY QUICK LETS MAKE HIM DO SOMETHING OUT OF CHARACTER AND RETARDED!!! thing?
Yeah, no one bought that.
Toei fucked up with the tournament and made Goku look 100% indefensibly evil and Jiren look like the noble hero who was only doing the bare minimum to save his universe and take down the monster who started this horrifying death battle for shits and giggles.
If this were any ANY other anime and it was from Jiren's perspective. Goku would be the villian.
An evil scary one.
Blake Sullivan
Yeah. Complete with no bitch wife and mandated kid and no knock off turtle hermit gi.
Just him in his demon school gi/combined with a cape having space adventures.
Xavier Ortiz
Cooper Butler
>breaking potara
umm sweetie
Parker Howard
>Are you fucking retarded?
I should ask you
>The kamehawave was never a fucking finisher.
then explain your next fucking sentence
>It was a potentially powerful attack that could finish a fight.
>finish a fight
>finish
Also you missed my point. There's a reason why I called all those abilities "1 hit wonders".
>It was potential and had flexibility in how it was used.
Yet it rarely happened if at all.
>The same for all of those attacks you mentioned.
Which is what I meant
>Special beam canon actually killed goku and radditz for fucks sake.
Outside of that it is never ever useful because of the "charge" that it requires that even Piccolo acknowledges.
>Just because it doesn't instant kill every time doesn't mean it's not useful.
Which is the whole point. Dragonball relied heavily on Kamehameha until Z came along and then we have all these abilities popping out of nowhere being useful in one instance and then ever happening again.
Special beam canon
Destructo Disc
Kaio ken
Spirit Bomb
Great Monkey Transformation
Super Saiyan
Final Flash
Super Saiyan 2
Fusion Dance
Super Saiyan 3
Potara Dusion
list goes on and on.
>And you are absolutely fucking slow if you interpret those techniques as instakill finishers rather then techniques that have the potential to end fights and enemies.
Funny how you just completely ignored your first statement about finishers.
>Go sit in the stupid corner.
That would be you at this point.
Jace Smith
>Everything we've seen in both the anime and manga says you're full of shit.
17 explicitly points it out. He says "You were just using those guys for your own ends," and Jiren doesn't deny it.
>Everything we've seen in both the anime and manga says you're full of shit.
In the manga, he cares about justice, but we're talking about the anime. In the anime, he starts blathering on about how he doesn't care about trust or friendship, and that strength is all that matters, and that strength IS justice. It's "might makes right," he doesn't care about actual justice.
>When has he ever at any point done any of that.
He likes to destroy an opponent's strongest attack to show how weak they are, like with the Spirit Bomb. He also mocks 17's apparent sacrifice, just to rub it in Goku and Vegeta's faces.
>Goku went around PERSONALLY snuffing out the hopes of entire universes for fun while not even trying very hard and just PLAYING AROUND with people who know that they are going to die and their universes will never be the same.
Goku didn't start the fucking tournament, they explicitly state that the Zenos were planning to erase the universes anyway, and later it's revealed that the tournament was a secret test of character, where Zeno actually intended for the winner to resurrect the fallen universes.
>Toei fucked up
Agreed, the Super anime is shit. I just happen to include anime Jiren as one of the shitty parts.
Zachary Phillips
kek, saved
Gavin Johnson
most of the shit you listed doesn't even have SS destruction levels get that shit outta here
Kevin Sanchez
gokek did it before final fight
Charles Roberts
>won't ever be canon
>won't ever have an explosion of best ship fanart
Austin Sanchez
I don't think being taught fundamentally how to do shit like fly or shoot ki beams is necessarily the same "training", so it's not bullshit. Freeza's saying he never stopped his usual daily life in order to make time to work out in the gym or find a "master" to learn their fighting style. He'd wake up, eat, run his empire, go to sleep. Meanwhile Goku spent a huge portion of his life utterly devoted to learning fighting styles, techniques, and improving his physical condition, literally travelling the world and later the universe to do so, devoting entire years to training and training alone.
King Cold essentially just taught his little kid how to walk.
Andrew King
CHADHAN
Cameron Moore
based
Luis Powell
Fuckin' based.
Cooper Hall
user.
You are bitching that those techniques and skills are bad because they didn't show up end the fight then dissapear.
That they aren't instant 100% kill techinques that can be pulled from their ass.
Fucks sake, you even think that the kamehawave was the only technique used over and over again in DB when it's clear that many other techniques were used and the Kamehawave was called weak and even trash half way into DB and they were right.
You're just an idiot.
Michael Peterson
Aiden Torres
stop, frieza belongs to goku only
Hudson Morgan
>CHADhan takes over his body from the inside and tames him
SMARThan wins BABY
Joshua Flores
>not wanting this
Joshua King
Logan Hernandez
Goku can't be Kuriza's father, user! It has to be Cooler!
Brayden Walker
>17 explicitly points it out. He says "You were just using those guys for your own ends," and Jiren doesn't deny it.
Explain how.
You can't can you?
Want to know why? They never said how he was using them nor do you get the sense that he does at any point. If anything they were using him.
It makes no sense
It was some empty pointless line some writer created specifically to make 17 look like he was worth more then shit and to make jiren look da bad guy.
>In the manga, he cares about justice, but we're talking about the anime. In the anime, he starts blathering on about how he doesn't care about trust or friendship, and that strength is all that matters, and that strength IS justice. It's "might makes right," he doesn't care about actual justice.
user, that entire shpiel at the end is a direct right turn from the character that we saw the entire damned time. Tens of episodes and at the last moment he's some kind of selfish prick who don't need no body?
Bullshit.
The writers saw what was happening with the fanbase and threw him under the bus because they knew they fucked up.
>He likes to destroy an opponent's strongest attack to show how weak they are, like with the Spirit Bomb. He also mocks 17's apparent sacrifice, just to rub it in Goku and Vegeta's faces.
So breaking the spirit of someone like goku(who's done the same thing countless times) by repelling an attack that will kill and harm evil people and not harm people who are noble of spirt or pure of heart makes him look evil? By the way, the spirit bomb almost killed goku.
Oh and the 17's sacrifice thing was also part of the YOU USED THOSE WEAK PIECES OF SHIT...SOMEHOW DIDNT YOU!!! thing the writers were doing to make 17 look like he was worth a shit and jiren evil.
It was cheap.
David Phillips
>Jobza
Was little Gohan's plaything. Another overnight training and he will make the current one that too.
Matthew Bennett
>Goku didn't start the fucking tournament
He is directly responsible for the tournament.
>they explicitly state that the Zenos were planning to erase the universes anyway
Zeno, singular, didn't erase trunks universe/multiverse/timeline.
>and later it's revealed that the tournament was a secret test of character, where Zeno actually intended for the winner to resurrect the fallen universes
user, no one on earth, not even the little japanese kids in the audience, believed that last second ZENO ISNT A HORRIFYING SOCIOPATHIC MONSTER HE AM GOOD LEADER!! change to the story.
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>Agreed, the Super anime is shit. I just happen to include anime Jiren as one of the shitty parts.
Anime Jiren was changed to a shitty edgy character at the last second because goku looked evil as fuck.
It failed miserably.
Jackson Evans
Accept reality
Camden Baker
HERE IS YOUR #18 SERU SAMA, SHE REALLY TRIED HER HARDEST TO ESCAPE, FORTUNATELY SHE GAVE UP WHEN I BROKE HER LEGS, NOW WE CAN WAKU WAKU TOGETHER?
Jack Davis
Goku is the father, Cooler is the mother, Freeza is the Piccolo
John Nelson
Vegeta looks weird
Carter Sanders
Only fact I know is that Jobza is going back to hell by the next arc
Brody Gomez
>>Goku didn't start the fucking tournament
>He is directly responsible for the tournament.
I worded that poorly. I meant he's not responsible for the erasures, because Zeno never said he'd erase the universes when Goku was talking to him. I'll concede that point.
I agree that it was all very poorly written, and Goku comes off looking lousy, but you can't just excuse the flaws in the Jiren character with "Forced! Bad writing!"
I might as well say "Goku causing the tournament doesn't count! Zeno erasing the universe doesn't count! It was BAD WRITING! They're both still good guys!"
Anime Jiren was as crap as the rest of it, dude. His backstory is dull, he's unlikable, and the "stoic badass with a tragic past" thing has been done to death in anime.
Manga Jiren is yes, stoic and has a similar backstory. But him being an actual, likable superhero is, as I said before, at least an interesting contrast with the Z-Fighters being a band of yahoos.
Angel Wood
>You are bitching that those techniques and skills are bad because they didn't show up end the fight then dissapear.
It's like the concept of "1 hit wonder" eludes you.
>That they aren't instant 100% kill techinques that can be pulled from their ass.
I have no idea why you believe me pointing the obvious equates to me bitching. Since if it wasn't for that take on those abilities we wouldn't get what follows in that series.
I don't want those abilities brought forth as such to begin with. The discussion was "variants" and the question was stupid and the answer was obvious.
>Fucks sake, you even think that the kamehawave was the only technique used over and over again in DB
Because it was. You on the other hand take that statement as it was being used at the start, mid/end of a fight because you are that insecure.
When when Goku uses it to launch and evade an attack instead of jumping or when Krillin used to create a diversion to get out of his opponents line of sight then it got to the point that it was overused that it started to be used as a joke.
Tyler Hernandez
that's what would have happened if it weren't for the editor. I bet vegeta's role in the cell arc was intended for goku in the first place.
Isaiah Bell
what did goku mean by this
Robert Sullivan
source for the scans?
Jeremiah Moore
just watched Broly again, Minus and the new characters carry the movie, Goku and Vegeta parts are stale as fuck and mostly focused on (bad choreographed) battles
Jeremiah Howard
That he was dead and didn't know shit about what was happening to Gohan?
Justin Bell
You're fucking retarded.
You're bitching about things that are a part of the series DNA from their first introduction.
The fucking kamehawave was a damned joke in the FIRST manga the first time it was fucking used.
Goku threw a kamehawave that was JUUUUST strong enough to slightly total a tiny car.
Shit the first energy attack in the entire fucking series was from the half naked tween chichi.
Did you even read the series/watch the sereis or are you a new reader/watcher who's bitching about a series you don't understand and seem to not like.
Owen Roberts
William Perez
quite obvious toriyama intends for goku to be unlikable and only heroic on accident.
Xavier Thompson
kek
Jason Smith
. based.
Brandon Morgan
>Minus and the new characters carry the movie
They're the worst part of the movie.
Lot of the movie could have been saved by not adding the minus stuff that was obviously put there by toei to chill out toriyama who was beyond pissed that they took his prequel movie and turned it into nubroly.
Ryder Jackson
>/int/ is praising Jiren again
Joblybros what are we gonna do...
Owen Smith
...let them have their little 12-post circlejerk?
David Perry
>You're bitching about things that are a part of the series DNA
The only here bitching is you.
Adam Myers
Yes hide, just like Jobly himself
William Wood
Ian Russell
HOLY FUCKING WAKU WAKU, THIS GUY MURDERED KRILIN JUST LIKE THAT
Jack Sanders
>Anime Jiren is actually just Gohan without the dragon balls
You mean the Future Trunks timeline Gohan that managed to mellow the fuck out in spite of being put in a worse scenario than Jiren?
>He's also objectively the only heroic person in the entire damned thing.
Is this a joke? Before the tournament he's just meditating and after the tournament starts he's either meditating or personally watching his allies get knocked out of the ring when it was well within his powers to prevent that from happening, insulting them for their weakness afterwards. He outright jeopardizes his entire universe for no apparent reason in the anime, where he at least has some reason to be objectionable in the manga. On top of all of that, he attacks innocent bystanders when things aren't going his way for... no reason whatsoever?
I don't want to turn this into a shitfest about which one was better, but objectively speaking, the manga version of Jiren actually shows himself to be a hero while the anime version just feels like a tryhard with a log up his ass.
Lincoln Campbell
>DID YOU JUST SAY YOU'LL KISS MY WIFE!?
Caleb Murphy
Was it Goku's antics or the bad animation that turned Zamasu evil?
Nicholas Gray
You would have a point about the universe erasure thing but for one single thing.
youtube.com
This entire scene. It states that Goku fuckign KNOWS GODDAMNED WELL ZENO WILL ERASE A UNIVERSE AT THE DROP OF A HAT. He REMINDED them of that tournament and then smiled fucking hapily knowing those universes were at stake.
Not only that he was casual as fuck about about trunks timeline meeting it's oblivion as well as trunks.
Everyone sat down and had a big dinner and they had a grand old time!!
Oh and Frieza is still alive and genociding worlds. Goku doesn't give a shit because there's nofightan on those worlds.
As for Jiren. It's a last minute heel turn that makes no sense and just shows how poor the writing is.
Tyler Adams
I accept your concession you simple sloppy cunt.
Nathaniel Lopez
>>Goku didn't start the fucking tournament
>He is directly responsible for the tournament.
Goku was responsible for the tournament but the alternative was just having everyone silently erased. He gave at least one universe a fighting chance.
>>they explicitly state that the Zenos were planning to erase the universes anyway
>Zeno, singular, didn't erase trunks universe/multiverse/timeline.
Are you fucking retarded? He visibly does it on-screen. They just create an offshoot timeline by going to a point before Zamasu invades the timeline and puts Trunks in it, because apparently that's a thing that works.
Aaron Baker
2010
>dumb amerimutts and hero goku kek
2017
>oh no no no no, he meant feeding a senzu bean, he loves his family he just absolutely never shows it, death of the author, toriyama is senile, flanderization, caricature
Hunter Murphy
>Goku was responsible for the tournament but the alternative was just having everyone silently erased. He gave at least one universe a fighting chance.
Future Trunks timeline. No erased universes and Zamasu was allowed to wipe out universes with impunity.
>Are you fucking retarded? He visibly does it on-screen.
He didn't erase trunks univese.
He erased his entire multiverse in that timeline. But ONLY because Zamasu infected it....somehow.
>They just create an offshoot timeline by going to a point before Zamasu invades the timeline and puts Trunks in it, because apparently that's a thing that works.
You know GODDAMNED WELL that's how timetravel works in motherfucking DB.
And no, that doesn't fucking work.
There's too motherfucking trunks and mais in that goddamned timeline.
He's a fucking permanent nomad who not only failed his own universe but is directly at fault for it's obliteration.
The had an entire motherfucking timeline that was missing a trunks they could have sent him too.
As a matter of motherfucking fact. They were using Cell's time machine to travel to Trunks timeline.
That's not how fucking time machines work in the DBZ universe.
That Time machine should have taken him to CELLS timeline not his own.
Shit is fucking retarded.
Lucas Morales
>Goku's an ass
Fine, whatever. We essentially agree. The Super anime was crap.
Why are you so defensive of anime Jiren, then? What was so great about him before the heel turn that you feel you have to defend him? The way he KOed a few alien jobbers? The way he meditated? He's just Piccolo with a bigger power level and a less interesting design/personality.
He barely had a character AT ALL before the damn heel turn, so I don't see why we can't just write him off entirely, instead of having to defend him as being a good character derailed by the writers.
Blake Bennett
it means that he didn't even think about gohan, regardless of what he was doing, because he was obsessed with waku waku with king kai
Liam Ortiz
I'm not defensive of him!
I'm defensive of what the character represents.
I'm defensive of all of the characters in super save for the forced ones that bring fuck all to the table.
It's just that super isn't giving me shit to work with and I just want all of it to go the fuck away.
And goku isn't an ass.
He's fucking textbook evil.
Goku has never been this bad.
Christopher Clark
twitter.com
Did you know Vegetto was the first user of the Big Bang Kamehameha?
Cooper Diaz
Just stick with the manga, then. It's a hell of a lot better.
Thomas Peterson
I double checked and I was wrong about how the time reversal went. They just picked a timeline where Zamasu didn't invade and put him there.
>The had an entire motherfucking timeline that was missing a trunks they could have sent him too.
You mean the one where everything gets destroyed from Buu awakening with nobody to stop him? They explicitly cover Buu's revival when Trunks tells everyone about the time between the Cell games and Super in his timeline.
>(Timeline)Shit is fucking retarded.
At least we can agree on this much. The timeline stuff makes sense on paper but their execution of it all was just a mess. I've never heard a single soul say that the shit that goes down in the Goku Black arc is anything short of fucking retarded.
Ayden Torres
I wonder if we'll ever see Bejitto again in canon?
William Cooper
I doubt we will ever see a fusion again, Vegetto return made sense because potara villain and this also explained the plot hole of Buu arc and Gogeta has always been on of these characters fans wanted in the canon but Tori has no reason to make Goku and Vegeta fuse again. Hell I bet he would even make a new Goku-Vegeta fusion before make Gogeta or Vegetto return again
Isaac Baker
Dunno, it'd get old pretty quickly if they used the fusions over and over again. But I can't imagine that we're done with them forever, so he'll probably show at least once more.
Jeremiah Anderson
>Remindo that Freeza knocked out Jiren in one hit
Reminder, that Jiren was severely weakened at the time, whilst fighting three characters.
Cope.
James Young
That's a dumb question, dragon ball is gonna be milked for years, of course we will
Carter Torres
>tfw DB peaked DECADES ago during the Name Arc
Christian Taylor
reminder that goku and frieza is also weakened at that time and Jiren was motivated by his boyfriend
concede
Xavier Kelly
I don't understand what you're implying. Goku was always an abscent minded fighter with good intentions. He didn't see life the way a human did and it was painfully obvious when Piccolo chewed him out while Gohan was fighting Cell.
John Clark
Honestly, it probably should've ended there. Frieza was the most powerful being in the universe and could blow up planets, and Goku trained with the heavenly King Kai, realized the legend of the Super Saiyan and beat him.
Now we learn that KING Kai is apparently just an insect compared to all the rest of the Gods, and blowing up a PLANET is no longer special, and Frieza couldn't compare at all to Majin Buu and Moro, and power levels are insanely off the charts and make no sense.
I still like DB, but you have to basically take it with a fucking ocean's worth of salt lately.
Robert Richardson
DB Peaked when Goku beat Piccolo. It was a gradual downward spiral after that all the way to Boo. Super is just the corpse being puppeted around.
Josiah Barnes
>good intentions
Asher Murphy
Yeah I'm assuming that page is from boo, the most stupid fucking arc in dragon ball.
Luis Kelly
How is Buu going on a killing spree Goku's fault?
Aaron Perez
>I-I CAN KILL BUU I SWEAR...! B-BUT GOTENKS SHOULD DO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WAKU-WAKU!
Hunter Sanders
not using ss3 to stomp vegeta and not using ss3 to kill boo, and his nonchalance is staggering regarless whose fault it is
Chase Morgan
SS4FP makes Broly buffer, SFPS4 makes Goku redder.
Isaiah Carter
Based Tardku
Justin Lopez
poor chichi
Brayden Baker
>t.carlos
Julian Ramirez
She insisted on marrying him when he didn't remember her or know what a bride was, and stays with him despite all the shit he puts her and their sons through. It's really hard to feel sorry for her.
Hudson Jones
don't blame her, she had good intentions and thought goku was a dumbass, not a psychopath, and she is forced by toriyama to stay with him, she doesn't have a choice
Ethan White
>I double checked and I was wrong about how the time reversal went. They just picked a timeline where Zamasu didn't invade and put him there.
You're still fucking wrong.
There is no shit ton of timelines to pick and choose from.
Whis broke multiversal law and sent trunks to a time before zamasu did shit and created a split timeline.
>>The had an entire motherfucking timeline that was missing a trunks they could have sent him too.
>You mean the one where everything gets destroyed from Buu awakening with nobody to stop him? They explicitly cover Buu's revival when Trunks tells everyone about the time between the Cell games and Super in his timeline.
user, with what energy?
What in the fuck was going to fucking awaken buu in that timeline?
There is no energy anywhere to feed it.
>At least we can agree on this much. The timeline stuff makes sense on paper but their execution of it all was just a mess. I've never heard a single soul say that the shit that goes down in the Goku Black arc is anything short of fucking retarded.
The timeline stuff in Z is sound, the stuff in Super was just a clusterfuck of nonsense.
There's a reason why it was called Kakkarot and Vegeta's excellent adventure on Yea Forums
Jaxon Roberts
>all this samefagging
Andrew Lopez
>not divorcing
It's her fault.
Robert King
>N-NO...! I WON'T ACCEPT THIS! DB THREAD IS MY SHITPOSTING GROUND WAAAAHHH!!! MOM THESE GUYS DISCUSSED DB WAAAH!!!
Dylan Russell
I hate goku so fucking much
Angel Thompson
>thinking this is discussing and shitposting
Aiden Cox
Did Goku get taller, or Chichi get shorter?
Gavin Harris
I love Goku so fucking much
Robert Rivera
compare to then, autist
Ian Wright
Shit taste.
Jackson Anderson
>I'm a disgusting psychopath
>but I make a happy and innocent face while I cause bilions to die so it's cool
Justin King
Which is why he's the main character.
Noah Wilson
and why everyone on the real world hates him
Ethan Sanchez
He's the least liked of the main cast and the series is poorer for having him as the main lead.
Benjamin Johnson
>everyone hates him that he was made the mascot of the Japanese Olympics
Only asshurt shitjetafags with inferiority complex such as yourself do, Goku is loved
Aiden Williams
>He's the least liked of the main cast and the series is poorer for having him as the main lead.
All of this is wrong.
Dragon Ball is Goku's series, you don't like it don't watch.
Noah Robinson
>There is no shit ton of timelines to pick and choose from
Time Rings are created when offshoot timelines are created. They didn't pick from "a shit ton of timelines to pick and choose from," they picked from one that they (or at least Whis) knew were created from them mucking around with the timestream by knowingly preventing an antagonist from doing the things he was going to do. He explicitly states that he does this in the anime.
Nicholas Robinson
if that's the case then the whole nips must be Keketacucks huh?
Isaac Cruz
>goku casuing people to seethe
Based.
Don't be like the Vegetafags and Gohanfags.
Matthew Roberts
He was made one of multiple ambassadors, fucking Naruto's also an ambassador for the Games.
Pic related are the actual mascots.
Colton Morris
What?
So he is so popular along with Naruto? Shitposting jobjetafag BTFO
Isaac Peterson
>What exactly is so good about his character concept?
He's Freeza except mentally and behaviorally more mature, doesn't have effeminate/effete traits, and that leads to him being more dangerous, especially as a main antagonist. There's a reason why he resonated as one of the most popular characters in Dragon Ball despite not being "canon" to the original story and only overshadowed by Z's Broly as it stands then and now.
Cooler having an extra transformation/form and it looking like some kind of mid-way point with all the good design hallmarks of Xenomorph/Predator baby doesn't hurt either.
Julian Kelly
try researching the japanese fanbase if you had a free time, their shitposters(the more dedicated DBfags) all agreed that Goku is an insufferable bastard and always portrayed him as an asshole
Samuel Harris
remember soul
>humans
>goku not a psychopath
>gohan primed to grow to be a chad
Alexander Russell
citation needed
Jaxson Murphy
seealso Keketa's a coward, Chadly and his father are the supposed MC's for DB
Josiah Evans
>caring about humans
Carson Murphy
Better than the Goku and Vegeta show.
Grayson Martin
It's fucking disgusting how irrelevant the human characters and piccolo became in z.
>tien nearly kills nappa but he just kills himself cause 1 arm
>krillin knows the most broken moves in dragon ball but always uses them poorly and ends up comic relief
>yamcha just dies against a weak grunt characters and never dones anything again outside of filler
>piccolo receives massive power ups in every arc but does nothing and ends up sidelined eventually becoming a babysitter for kid trunks and goten, possibly the worst characters in db, gets absolutely shit on at every point in dbs
Luke Nelson
No.
You still got Roshi.
Jacob Cox
>You still got Roshi.
Roshi was done a long time ago.
Nathaniel Butler
>don't stand a chance
>won against tien on that mind-controlling episode
He's never done.
Benjamin Smith
>anime
Brandon Martin
>manga
Andrew Sanchez
My bad.
Nathaniel Young
Isn't undefeated against Goku. Quite unlike Vegeta.
David Russell
>I don't see how you could like him any more than classic DB or even early Z Goku. I literally cannot understand what you find appealing about his character. Because all I see is a Goku with anything resembling a rough edge sanded off until he has only the barest of character traits left. He is the actual most inexcusably bland version of the character, with nothing resembling growth or development throughout the entirety of GT. Dragon Ball Goku has tons of character growth and development, he has actual emotion and pathos. Even killing Krillin barely gets a reaction out of Goku in GT. And no, having a few moments of smugness doesn't change this.
>GT Goku is worse than bad, he's boring. You can like him all you want but if you deny that I will keep reminding you of the truth. He is as interesting as wet cardboard. GOKU JR. was more dynamic and engaging a character than GT Goku, and he literally only had a TV special and a couple minutes of screentime at the end of the series.
gtbros... this can't be happening... say it's not true