Kengan Omega ch.20

Tiny head

I wonder why Ghost left purgatory.

looks like the fight was skipped? I'm a bit salty there, Sandwich.

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Probably to emphasize on the fact that he really wasn't a match for Ryuki.

>my as
Typo?

Could you look anymore of a jobber than him?

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>skips koga's new training
>skips ryuki's fight
Someone is in a hurry

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He didn't went for the killing blow

leave your autism behind! come on Gaoh! 4 punches!

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Oh.
Ooooooooh.

Kinda weird that this guy didn't even get his fight shown when Sandrovich said that he wanted to make a fighter who used pankration in particular

Probably in a hurry to get to the main event which is the tournament. But at the same time he realizes he has to focus a fair bit on Koga's training to not make it look like an asspull that he managed to make the cut. I wish he focused a bit on Ryuki though since he's horribly underdeveloped compared to Koga but I get the feeling he's saving Ryuki's development for the tournament where Worm will be at as well.

Our boy is growing up.

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Ryuki hasn't killed in too long and is losing touch

twatch dot jp / kengan, I'm sure.

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it's Niko Sen!

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>nitoku
I hate how bad I am at remembering names

It's clear, it's not a matter of how strong you are but that the Gaoh style seems to be well known among experienced fighters and that's fucking over Ryuki because they know what to watch out for. Last manga had Gensai fuck up most of his opponents precisely because he had been watching their previous matchups closely or already knew their style so he had a gameplan of what to watch out for and what to exploit before even entering the ring. Ohma lost against him because he had already seen Demon's Bane in Ohma's semifinal fight.

I wonder what's the biggest log he can flip

his hands are huge and his nipples are hard, too bad he will job to the agito purgatory clone

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that was fast

Tokuno'o Tokumichi
AKA Toku squared
AKA Nitoku
AKA 2 Toku
AKA Tokuno'o Tokumichi

!!!

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double dubs confirm he'll job a little (like Sen) and then win by the skin of his teeth.

Oh shit it's The Thing

wet goats smell nasty btw

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>koga still can't sense aura and is reacting to other people reacting

I'm spooked.

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El hermano de Agito

How do you have literally none of your boys show up, what sort of weak ass operation is this

Holy shit, Eren got swole.

I can't believe it's not Agito.

He can see it but he can't hear it, that's why he didn't notice the guy coming from behind until he saw others react. He needs to learn how hear aura.

He reacted to the aura and then realized that the others' reaction was shock too

You better give us a fight next week, you sand of a wich!

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yamashita ki sensing

Holy fuck, Kitano got swole.

One good punch and this nigga is Pankrati-gone.

Imagine if this guy’s gimmick is being really intimidating and having a spooky powerful “aura” despite actually being a mediocre fighter.

So a low-key King?
I wouldn't mind that.

People interested in a random seed Kengan tournament? Also, any suggestions on how to keep the voting going? Daily?

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>Someone is in a hurry
You bet, we are still in the prologue. The manga starts when the tournament starts.

>1212

Uhhhhhhhh?

Have the votes be once per chapter chapter, that way you don’t need to make a new thread for them and risk being exiled to /trash/. We’re strapped into this ride for a while anyway, may as well take our time.

Agito is the one sitting on the chopper and on his way to check on his little brother's fight

That's gonna take more than half a year though, not sure if a random seed is worth that much time

>on today's episode of Everyone loves Kazzy

If Gaoh is being battered by a low-tier fag I guess he is nowhere near prime Ohma (the one on his last matches)

AKA Twoku

So, place your bets everybody. Will the Ghost dominate, or will Nitoku pull a surprise win?

am I witnessing magic?

We don't even know their styles, my dude.

>Nu-Sen VS Nu-Agito

Do we even need to bet?

It's not about styles, it's about predicting the plot direction.

Adam's tattoos are missing

Perhaps 4 matches a week?

Nice ass

>he's done judo before too
It makes you wonder how long he spent learning each style, that's a good 4-5 styles that we know he learned before the manga began.

based

Their strength (not just their CEO's) needs to be more established for sure.

>first el orhmano
>now el hermano de agito
What's next?

Well, iirc he started training perhaps at 10?

Whitebeard

>someone might've already told you but about that guy that's dead that you don't know is dead?
>lemee interrupt you right there, you mean the guy I've been looking for? Onto the next topic.
Sandrovich is fucking with us on purpose isn't he.

we need gensai to zehahahaha first

FUCK

There's a decent chance he gets into the tournament then, he might not've wanted to spoil the fighting style when he was just going to job to Ryuki.

El primo de Sen

Then why did he not take a jobber like that Karate guy that Ohma finished in one blow?

it wasn't his time yet

Does that mean this ghost guy is actually a nice guy that somehow became a fighter?

mushi

I fucking hate it when he does this, it's so lame. Just let us watch the fights. He always does it with characters that have cool styles and designs, too.

So you want a flashback about Kuroki's old master and friend of Gaoh Mukaku?
As of now, the ends with the higher chance of happening is that Ghost will win to really show how strong is the a-list of Purgatory and what we have to expect from the 13 choosen Gladiators. However I wouldn't put it past Sandrovich to make Toku x Toku pull a win and introduce him in the Kengan's 13

That would actually be an amazing way to subvert the expectations

The Purgatory dude doesn't stand a ghost of a chance!

Ghost takes the lead, not-Sen manages to turn it around, but Ghost will show off something new and win. Koga will notice what he did, and goat eyes will notice that he noticed.

It's a pretty simple issue, though. Nitoku's already being built up to be pretty strong himself; he was the original fighter meant to fight against Kokuro, so his strength against these hotshot new rookies is no problem. Additionally, Cosmo said he would have gone pretty far in the Kengan Tournament. The biggest indicator of his strength is his parallel to Sen as a huge flake. Just that last one alone builds him up.

Now here comes the Ghost, being introduced as some huge badass. He was an "A-List" fighter from Purgatory, and unless there's a even higher category than that like EX-List or S-List, then we can assume he was one of their bigger names.

Common tropes will tell us Nitoku will job to Ghost here to highlight the latter's strength. However, KA has pulled surprises on us before, and it's conceivable that Nitoku will end up winning as well. The problem there is that Sen is already occupying the "flake" character spot. It would just be redundant to have Nitoku around if they're essentially the same character, even with different styles. So that swings things back in Ghost's favor.

The actual strength the characters have is simply secondary to the role the authors entrust to these characters to hold, and are more indicators of the latter, really.

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This.
One of the things I liked about Asura was that it showed nearly every fight in the tournament instead of just the ones related to the MC or a few other key characters.

immersion broken

Thanks for the dump

What the hell is wrong with this guy's trapezius ? Combined with the artist drawing generally tiny heads, it looks weird.

This is just a regular match, the loser isn’t neccisarily out of the story. They could even have one win only for the other to turn things around in a rematch they have as part of the actual tournament.

Fuck it, 4 matches per week, let's go. Round 1:

Match 1
strawpoll.me/18080016

Match 2
strawpoll.me/18080020

Match 3
strawpoll.me/18080023

Match 4
strawpoll.me/18080027

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tell him a funny joke

His muscles make his arms look broken.

>Rihito vs Haruo
That a favorable match up for Rihito. Haruo reacted very badly to Akoya's discount razor's edge

Most of the fighters are pretty chill out of combat. Even in the last tournament, there were only, what, three or four of them who were bad crazy outside of matches?

>The Morobuchi Gozo vs Gaolang
Gaolang takes this
>Inaba v Ohma
We already know this one
>Okubo v Nezu
Going to give it to Okubo even though I want my boy Nezu to win something
>Kono v Rihito
I feel bad for Rihito but Kono is just too much of a monster in terms of stats to really be hindered by the ripper. And Rihito doesn't have murder cop's reflexes or defensive game to help mitigate the damage
>Saw v Adam
Actually could go either way since Adam hits like a freight truck and brawling might synergize better with Lethwei
>Bando v Gensai
If Gensai can predict the first arm whip he can take this. Otherwise he gets his head popped. If not a serious bando Gensai also wins.
>Setsuna v Karo
Karo loses pretty hard here
>Agito v Cosmo
Puts the twink 6 feet under
>Kaneda v Jun
Jesus christ Jun takes this one despite Kaneda probably knowing all his wrestling moves. Grappling moves aren't a good matchup for predictions because once you get touched it's a contest of strength and Jun has that in spades.
>chiba v Koizan
Sumo is pretty heavy and fast, I'll probably just give it to him over Chiba. Shame
>Sawada v Raian
The autistic kure wins
>Wakatsuki v Ren
Kung Fu doesn't help you from superman punches, he'll last a bit longer but he gets levelled if hit once
>Akoya v Muteba
If it's murdercop + CEO I actually think he stands a chance of taking down muteba since his reaction time is no joke and the puppet style is a strong ability. If he's by himself I think he'll lose through attrition since Muteba is well versed in playing the long game.
>Meguro v Julius
If Toyo is in the picture Meguro forfeits. Otherwise Julius destroys him
>Sen v Mokichi
I think even non-peak Sen could win, but Mokichi did keep up with Raian so it can go either way unless Sen is at his peak.
>Rei v Hanafusa
Rei wins unfortunately. The good doctor isn't really equipped to deal with super speed but at least he won't really suffer any damage from getting one-shot.

Ghost will win for sure, to show the gladiators aren't pussies.

Also, I'm guessing our boy will defeat el mexicano in the tournament to show his progress.

Am I supposed to remember this guy? Is he from the first Kengan?

He was annoyed by the pain. As Rihito stated, Akoya's technique isn't actually as lethal as his own. It's a harassment technique meant to annoy the opponent with the pain it causes.

No, he was only mentioned in Omega, but apparently has fought in earlier Kengans

Yep, plus he was all about Pankration. Feel bad about the user in the last thread that wanted to see a Pank fighter. Also, Nezu's fighting style would have been cool as fuck to watch.

Looks like Sen when we was introduced
Is actually Fang two years after his JUSTing by Gensai

>A-list gladiator
Plot twist there's an S-list

What a chuuni.

It's possible he'll come back? I know Sandwich has noted in either the author's notes or some interview that he'd really like to have a Pankration fighter.

Nitoku's a neet, calling it.

He's the guy Ryuki replaced to fight Kokuro

Could be that we get his teacher as fighter. Prank is big in jp, there could be other using it

The more I learn about Purgatory the more it sounds like it's full of fighting junkies who only care about fighting, they don't even show up when their boss asks them to watch a fight with him.

>Prank is big in jp
Really?

I bet those purgatory guys don't even go out drinking with the bloke that punched their face in. Say what you will, Kengan matches make friends for life in some cases.

Did someone keep track of all MA's he trained? I counted Karate (Traditional, prob. trad. full contact Karate like Kyokushin or non-contact like Shotokan, seems to be his main style), Boxing (with weak footwork), Judo(stated as Imai as beginner so prob. not more than 3 or 4 years)

he's too far from the camera, the engine isn't rendering them.

I think that GOAT assembled many assasins, i think they have btter things to do than watching a Kengan fight

Glad to hear it!

Muteba would find out about the CEO's interference with his super hearing, then it becomes a matter of stabbing Akoya's hear to cut her off

Bigger than in Europe and America as far i know

Also, after the thread's died, I'll be entering the results over here, so it won't be lost challonge.com/nl5ej6y9

>Fuck!
That definitely had some Daro's input

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Nitoku looks like another akido user, he's got the clothes, the name and the attitude for it. Maybe it's a form of traditional jujitsu.
For Ghost, two questions pop up in my head "What would give someone the nickname 'Ghost'?" and "What would give someone trapezius muscles that big?" I would think greco-roman wrestler but he doesn't have the ears for it so maybe he's a boxer of sorts.

As for the winner it could really go either way.
>Nitoku wins to show he's actually really strong and could've fought on par with the top tier in the last tournament
>Ghost wins to give Goat some bragging and Kazzy some demoralisation knowing that this is what a Purgatory fighter is like

They already know Ryuki's strong, he's not going to be put up against a low level jobber like that karate guy.

There is also these pankration tournaments but they are mostly unknwon
pangration.org/
worldpangration.net/

Is that the Undertaker?

OH MY GOD THEY'RE *ACTUALLY* CALLING THEM 'THE NEW GENERATIONS'

>kengan,komi,and fat elf
lotta stuff today

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I WILL FIND MY WAY
I WILL GO THE DISTANCE

Might have to do that.

Dojo's challenged
>Hybrid Karate
>Kickboxing
>MMA
>3 other Karate dojo's
As a kid
>Traditional Karate
Later said to have learned
>Boxing
>Judo
And in the process of the manga he's also learned
>PRO WRESTLING (probably)
also
>In the Kokuro fight he went for a tackle, considering he's done MMA I'm assuming he's also done Wrestling

His power will be using fighting styles of dead fighting figures.

>chiba 2.0 vs Sen 2.0
Holy shit why didn't we see it before?

So he'll open the fight with a Meguro judo throw and then end it with the niko style?

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I think he will have some crazy bullshit dodge ability (like Sen at peak condition) to give his opponent the feeling they are fighting something they can't touch
How come they are dead if they were so strong?

>mirror fighter no. 3, necrophilia edition
Boring. I want a cooler gimmick, like hypnosis with those spooky dead eyes, or evasive skills so perfect he feels like an actual 'ghost'.

he dies and you have to fight his ghost

I don't think there's any spice girls around.

he uses OOBE to posses you, and then does very embarassing things with your body until you give up the match

if he wins he possesses your body

Setting up for Koga losing his motivation after finding out Ohma is dead arc.

>Akoya's technique isn't actually as lethal as his own
That's exactly my point

I'm saying the reason why Haruo reacted badly wasn't because that line of technique was effective against him, but that he was easily irritated by it. Rihito having an advantage against Haruo with his technique has nothing to do with Haruo's reaction to Akoya's technique. Rihito's technique would be as effective on Haruo as on anyone else. They're completely different in purpose and effect.

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Honestly, if you want to do this (and actually make the end result interesting) you have to remove the beard.

also should have added different versions of fighters, like cohma, pre coma ohma, super autistic agito etc.

Beard's style is very observation based. He's got pretty much his worst possible matchup for the first round.

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Gensai can react to bullets being fired at an 1m range and he won't see an arm whip? Please.

tbf he got completely caught off guard by horny rei

Keep in mind that Bando is unlikely to whip-it™ the first thing he does.

Post cool ideas for fighters:

A bodyguard for a rich young girl who wants to travel the world, but due to her wealth she requires someone strong to come with her. Very versatile and flexible as he is used to fighting off multiple opponents in unfair scenarios and using the environment around them. Efficient, ruthless, quick and clean.

A homeless man living in Johannesburg. Been living on the streets since a young age and had to fight for his life in rough environments and has developed street fighting abilities like Adam. Think of the gritty, gross, depressing environments and homeless people in the Condemned series. Someone noticed his talents and hired him as an underground illegal fighter for cash prizes. Perhaps some kind of gimmick about emulating the way stray animals fight, or perhaps insensitive to pain and harsh climates due to living in the street, may have extremely calloused hands or a new set of teeth after his original teeth got knocked out

A travelling circus performer who uses a combination of Capoeira and TKD for quick, powerful, acrobatic strikes that are hard to telegraph and can come from multiple angles. Almost supernaturally stretchy. Very lanky, very learn, but still reasonably muscular for his size

A tribesman like Haruo, but from somewhere more dangerous and remote and less civilized. I'm talking about a real unga bunga, used to fighting dangerous animals and surviving in rough conditions. A land based version of fisherbro

Any other suggestions?

It really depends on whether or not he can actually minimize the damage from the whip. He can react but rarely does he outright dodge, he usually parries which I'm not sure would work on the sheer destructive power of arm whips.

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a ninja who actually isn't a jobber

I don't really get martial arts vs formless, the way agito does it. I get Formless is just that, a formless adaptation to the abilities of the other fighter based on a mixture of natural instinct he developed from experience and techniques he emulated and incorporated from watching others fight and fighting them. But what's the """martial arts""" aspect about? I get it's kinda meant to be the opposite as it's a strict and disciplined approach but... What is it concretely? What martial art is it? What are the techniques? How does it specifically and objectively differ from Formless, with formless being a more instinctive and well, formless form of combat?

The problem with the ripper is that it's basically a slow bleed and Rihito needs to be able to last the duration of the fight for it to matter at all. Haruo is still an insanely jacked himalayan muscleman under all his fat so it comes down to whether or not Rihito can take him down with his own strength in addition to the ripper before Haruo clobbers him.

I think the Tournament will be Last Man Standing style instead of Best out of 13

Formless gives Agito too many options, since there isn't just any one way to counter something. And because there are so many options, he has to read ahead for every one of those options as well. Remember the fight between Agito and Beard? The beginning was a contest between the two on who could read ahead the farthest and the fastest.

A fixed style of fighting limits Agito's options, but reduces the time lag. There are no specific techniques; it's just some generic martial art that Agito was taught and which he used in the beginning of his career. There are no specific gimmicks to it. Just think of it like the CQC martial arts taught to soldiers in militaries, something homebrewed in Metsudo's household for his Bodyguards to learn in training.

The difference with Formless is that Formless refers to a set of movements that Agito has reasoned out to be the most effective against his opponent's fighting style. The story literally describes it as him creating an entirely new style of martial art on the spot specifically made to counter his opponent (and like I said, there are a lot of ways to counter the opponent, especially for someone like Agito).

Essentially Rihito is gonna have to learn how to dance. Dude is beefy and resilient, and that seems to be what he relied on so far, which isn't possible against Haruo.

>Essentially Rihito is gonna have to learn how to dance
Well Sawada could give him some lessons.

You mean setting up for the reveal that Ohma's actually alive fighting for purgatory and the graves are for the white suits that died on the island (Kazzy's such a nice guy to visit them).

kazzy is actually visiting meguro's grave

Formless is Agito using all his knowledge in martial arts to find the best move to use vs the enemy, but he knows a lot of them so the thought process is ""slow""
Martial Arts is Agito trimming down the moves he uses to a bunch of striking techniques only, and because of this the thought process is much faster
By the end of the beard fight though Agito evolved to a point were he's both Formless and Martial Arts at the same time, as in he can use all the option of Formless with Martial Arts' speed

The grave is actually empty, because Ohma's body went missing. After Ohma "supposedly" died, Kazzy went to get help with carrying the body, and when they came back Ohma was gone.

The only way to keep things interesting would be to do two or more votes per chapter, otherwise it would take too long.

zombie ohma is actually one of purgatory's fighter and he's being mind controlled by goatman
rihito will fight him and kill him to break the mind control

There were multiple graves shown.

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>By the end of the beard fight though Agito evolved to a point were he's both Formless and Martial Arts at the same time, as in he can use all the option of Formless with Martial Arts' speed
Quibbling a bit here, but it's not that he's using both at the same time, but that he switches between them and began switching between them even faster as the fight progressed. "Switching" as in he decides which one is better for the situation much faster.

Am I the only one to think he looks like Kurapika's master in HxH ?

no zombie ohma is actually under doc's wing and will be deployed in a fight against koga who got possesed by The Ghost

>Ohma's body went missing.
Did Dr Death get a new autopsy project or did Setsuna get a new onahole?

>Can't tell if Cosmo is bad with faces of people he does not see regularly or is it a case of Adam being unable to tell a difference between two quite similarly looking Asians

Yawn nothing happened the series. Seriously axe when?

He's ghost because he is also FORMLESS.
Agito clone woll use same fighting style.

Pretty sure Cosmo saw Ohma a lot more, and much closer than Adam did so it'd make sense for Adam to mistake them but Cosmo recognizing the (very tiny) difference.

Ay it is the guy from VF 4

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>Rihito's technique would be as effective on Haruo as on anyone else
It would be more effective on Haruo because he reacts badly to pain. Beard snd Bando got sliced many times but kept their cool

That would just lead to Haruno using his retard strength and I don't think that Rihito has the durability to handle that.

From the looks of it Cosmo understood immediately it wasn't Ohma, maybe it's because he considered Ohma a worthy opponent so remembers the details clearer.

Yeah but Gensai got Flaccid Rei's timing down

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but:

1. Then we'd have odd numbers
2. There's plenty of other fights to be curious about, it's not about result, but the Kengan we made along the way

user, scroll up, we're doing 4 per chapter

ohma was his first after all

Formless is a state where Agito`s autism goes full overdrive. He has every technique floating in his mind and results in him fighting erratically, until he filters the useless moves and gets a fighting style custom made to counter his current opponent, but until he is done filtering the moves his reaction time is worse.
"Martial arts" is a smaller set of moves that doesnt change to accomodate the enemy, Agito has to make do with what he has, but because there is no process of "filtering" his reaction speed is at maximum all the times, and allows him to use foresight

The only ones that could possibly beat the Beard in my mind would be Waka or Julius because he doesn't seem to dodge so much as either just take it or parry, serious Bando for a similar reason, or the Doctor because of the poison.

These would all rely on them fighting Kuroki seriously in the first round.

I think I figured out the issue. user is partially correct on people being able to read Gaoh style, but for completely different reasons.
It's not that Gaoh style is well known, it can't be given Mukaku was last known inheritor and Ryuuki left Inside only recently. It's that it's actually pretty straightforward, effective when you can dominate your opponents (easy for absolute unit like Mukaku when facing people of the Inside), but once you have seen it in action, you know what he can do. And it shows: Koga commented that Kokuro had no way of seeing it coming, even if the move has a clear weakness. New Generation Fighters were watching that match, so they saw Earth-Crouching Dragon and each of them figured out how to counter it in their own style. Same with Himuro and Kaneda, which unlike other Tournament Fighters that were watching current Fang's fight (which makes sense, as they work for companies that fights for higher stakes than freelancers, so their chance to face current Fang), went to see the new guy. Himuro also saw through weakness of Gaoh's move, but as someone from the Inside, he was actually able to name what style is Ryuuki using.
There's a reason why Mukaku has discarded Gaoh Style and created Niko Style, keeping only the useful moves of it and removing what wasn't as effective. In a way, it resembles another style of Traditional Jiu-Jitsu from the series: Koei Style. Taira Genzan, final inheritor though hardly the master of the style at the time he inherited it after most users have died during the war, had found only two moves from the scrolls that were actually still useful in modern times: Rakshasa's Palm and Blink.
It's actually quite possible that if Kokuro have seen Ryuuki's current fight, he'd be able to figure out how to counter that move too.
As for Adam and Cosmo, they never saw that move, so they didn't knew that it was blocked, and as such could still be beaten by it.

After that he would know their moves and there'd be no way he could lose realistically.

Don't take Gensai, use Hassad. EZ.
Also, we need to specify which versions of characters participate, optionally their state of health if they have skills gained after later fights.

The kengan tournament was already based on uneven numbers. Remember that Hassad was supposed to be a fighter. Just add him in and remove beard and there can actually be some critical thinking about who wins.

That'd just lead to Agito winning everything every time. He and the Beard were just to far above the rest, other than maybe Waka.

he looks like one of those fodders you see in Hokuto no Ken

>There's a reason why Mukaku has discarded Gaoh Style and created Niko Style
then that begs the question of why he would deliberately teach his own descendant the inferior version of his style

...

I think what we'd need is a Strawpoll that determines the winner and if he walks out lightly wounded/unscathed, moderately wounded or heavily wounded. Because that'll play into how their second match goes a lot. As for what they might learn, that's part of a discussion to have in the thread and people can just make their vote on what they might think.

*lives in Ryuki's head rent-free*

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Considering how fast Gensai can react, and the fact he has shown being able to stab through even steel I think Julius would be a one shot and Waka would be down in like 20 seconds top

Seems to me that the Gaoh style relies to much on direct attacks without any set up. The niko style covered this issue with the Katas

Yeah, how injured the fighter gets is a great idea to include. It could go for Ohma vs Inaba
Ohma - heavily injured
Ohma - moderately injured
Ohma - lightly injured
Ohma - no injuries
Inaba - no injuries
Inaba - lightly injured
Inaba - moderately injured
Inaba - heavily injured

I'd say that Formless Agito would lose against Peak Condition Sen, as without Omori's intervention, he wouldn't start using Martial Arts, which allowed to use Dragon Shot and pre-initiative.
On the other hand, Wakatsuki could possibly beat Martial Arts Agito, especially if he'd manage to keep Blast Core hidden. If he'd manage to grapple, he could win narrowly, as Agito lacks Muteba's skills to force Wakatsuki to drop the hold.
Post Cohma Ohma would probably beat Agito, up till before his fight with Wakatsuki, when the accumulated damage dropped his strength so much that only Demonsbane could get him a win.

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It's possible that he wanted to give Ryuki a solid base, expecting him to develop it further on his own, maybe he wanted to see if they'd reach the same conclusion of the Niko style.

Top FÔck

This is what separates Beard from Agito. Agito is still a fighter foremost, beard is a killer and if anyone came at him with killer intent he wouldn't hesitate to finish them. And he'd know exactly how to do it.

How would Agito handle going up against Kiryu, or even against someone like Meguro? How beat up would he be if he fights both in a row and then ends up against someone like Raian?

There's no way it's going to be best out of 13. There's too much at stake and Toyoda is a hedonist

you know, he'd had a long time to notice that ryuuki is retarded

Spot on what I wrote in my document for this idea a few months back. Though I'm looking for it desperately to see if I had any other good ideas but I can't find that shit.

Agito killed everyone else in that cave, mate.

>one fighter called "The Emperor"
>other called "The Icy Emperor"

Sandrovich.. cum on bro......

Himuro should be called The Icy Jobber.

Agito was the last man standing in that cave, mate. That does make him a badass but its a huge difference.

Agito has killed other fighters. Himuro said so

We do not really know who the "gramps" is. Might be Mukaku, though actual Mukaku would be fucking old. Might be someone else that would be considered dead by this point, and who might have trained Ryuuki wrong on purpose to make anyone looking for him to think he indeed is dead.

Pretty much. It seems to have limited amount of moves, which makes it easier to read in the long run, and the fact that anyone who could have seen his match with Kokuro is showing that they can counter this move is supporting it.

Good point, guys. So we could start with regular Tournament entry Ohma who may need to be put in coma to awaken his memories and become Cohma, Cosmo without real resolve as he were before fighting Akoya which may led to him not gaining Foresight depending on opponents, and Agito who needs first to face an opponent that can shake his resolve as Gaolang did, which can lead to Omori challenging him and ending with Agito using Martial Arts.

>Mangapanda
Start using Mangadex, as the Hokuto no Gun wants.

He's pretty much Amiba.

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We know he has killed people. That wasn't the point.

Nitoku is the reverse Hatsumi. Hatsumi did everything he could to not fight in the matches, but Nitoku has never ending excuses about why he can't stay retired

I recognize the strength of stabbing thru steel, but its not like that is unique in the series.

Komoda kicked thru concrete in the first couple chapters, Waka and Julius can break concrete and steel with ease, Seki smashed Ohma thru concrete in their fight, Rihito is built around his finger strength, Sai Pang has steel hard bones, and there are probably a ton of other things I forgot.

We can debate in the comments whether or not a fight will lead to an 'evolution' in the fighter. Like if Cosmo fought someone like Meguro we could say that this might lead to him building real resolve, similarly to the Akoya fight.

He's clearly talented enough though, he might not be a Cosmo or a Koga but he'd have to have a good fight sense to get where he is, and if he is in fact Mukaku's descendant he has the pedigree too.

I think you REALLY don't know the gap between concrete and steel in terms of strength. You can smash concrete with a hammer, but you can't do the same with Steel, sure you might dent it but actually smashing it is out of the question.
Not to mention Gensai pierced steel. He only has so much surface area to damage with his fingers yet he cleanly pierced it with zero damage to his fingers mind you.
That is INSANE
Plus take into account Gensai's reaction speed, and frankly how durable he himself is considering he can break an Adamantine Ohma's fingers just by getting hit.
He is the complete package of fighter

Personally I doubt Cosmo would beat Meguro, he can do Judo throws without his opponent wearing a gi, is quite massively built, and does not seem the kind of person that can be easily Zone'd.

>actual Mukaku would be fucking old.
About 80-90 from what people in these threads can gather, it'd be an old grandpa but could still be a grandpa (or maybe a great grandpa).

Okay so here's what I had laying around from before. It's pretty similar to what the other user had though:

"Every fight is prefaced with the participating fighters and their condition in parentheses. For example a first fight might look like;

Sekibayashi Jun (No/Minor injuries) vs. Kano Agitoh (No/Minor injuries)

Choices then goes as follows:
1) Sekibayashi Jun wins (No/Minor injuries)
2) Sekibayashi Jun wins (Moderate injuries)
3) Sekibayashi Jun wins (Severe injuries)
4) Kano Agitoh wins (No/Minor injuries)
5) Kano Agitoh wins (Moderate injuries)
6) Kano Agitoh wins (Severe injuries)

Potentially with the option for (Crippled) as an outcome for the winner? With a poll for the state of the loser (Moderate/Severe/Crippled/Dead)?"

Also there's the question on if substitutions should be a thing for the third round or not, and what characters should be in the allowed substitution pool. Only participating fighters? Everyone at the venue? Select pool of outsiders?

>Komoda kicked thru concrete in the first couple chapters
He had steal tapped boots and quite a big frame, Gensai did that with his bare fingers.

I'd say that Cosmo could beat Meguro, Meguro fought a non specialist and lost bad (although part of that was just that Muteba was already blind), against someone on Cosmo's level I don't think he can out grapple him.

Could Meguro have beaten Akoya? I don't think so.

Yeah, 80-90 is hardly an age to still be able to fight with such a speed that Ryuuki can't really tell what he's done, like he had with Kokuro's Stinger, where the only reason he managed to handle it was Expecting a kick, but he was unable to tell what it was as it was too fast to see. If Kokuro would land a kick on his head, he would have won that fight there.
Which also shows just how good Koga's eyes are, as Kokuro had many fights, he ended several with Stinger given people knows about it, and yet the secret behind it isn't known.

Cosmo is a twink, he'd die in 1 throw before knowing what's happening.

I don't think Meguro would need to out grapple cosmo, only out-brutalise him. Round one Cosmo would've been eye gouged without a doubt which would lead to him losing.

Remember it took a lot for Cosmo to deal with Akoyas killing intent, and Meguro is even more straight for the kill. Also calling Muteba a non specialist is a bit of a stretch considering that chunky Kure was terrified of fighting him.

I wish cosmo wouldn't be such a mary sue cuz I really like the idea of a small, agile fighter being able to compete through skill and clever grappling. Kinda gave me hope as a long-torsoed, shorm limbed small guy with stretchy hypermobile joints that I could train in BJJ and be good.

>tfw big guy physio invited me to come meet his BJJ sensei and train at his dojo
>tfw immediately started imagining myself as a kengan asura fighter

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We say he's a twink but by real life standards he's fucking jacked as well, like literally body builder tier. not huge freak beast like Arnold, but definitely still humongous.

Cosmo's less of a twink and more of a 'twunk', he was durable enough to handle the punishment from Adam - who is underrated in strength, without injury.
Then he was able to take the punishment from Akoya then fight against Ohma in a day or two.

>without injury
Uhm you fucking what?

>Remember it took a lot for Cosmo to deal with Akoyas killing intent, and Meguro is even more straight for the kill.
This. The only reason Cosmo won against Akoya was because Akoya was in full torture mode, if he'd be able to contain his murderboner, he'd either win the first time Cosmo lost consciousness or when Cosmo wanted to forfeit.

It's possible, but then there'd probably be the discussion about what kind of injuries every fighter would have. Would they have injuries that would limit their special techniques? Just bleeding?

I feel like just assuming everyone is without injuries and in their best form every fight, is the best option

>80-90 is hardly an age to still be able to fight with such a speed that Ryuuki can't really tell what he's done
Don't underestimate the old farts, old man Kure was ready to murder Ohma when he found out Karla liked him and Rei/Inaba's masters were perfectly happy fighting despite their old age. Ryuki said he learned the movement stuff via ring tag from his grandpa too, so he can't be that slow.

>Bodybuilder
Lolno
He's more of a cut as hell Cruiserweight+

He is a twink by Kengan standards though.

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As I said, it all depends if Mukaku is still alive. After all, it would mean he had to have been hiding on the Inside ever since Demonsbane Training incident, and likely had Ryuuki not fight anyone until after both known Nikos were dead and maybe after Ohma left the Inside.

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He was hurt, but he wasn't injured like other fighters got.

So how does Ryuki fix his slowly developing problem?
What's his method of getting to the top?

>just fuck my shit up, senpai

It's the kind of tired sleep won't fix.

He branches out and incorporates new styles into the Gaoh style.

You have to have injuries carry on to remain honest to the tourney set-up. Like Muteba was such a badass because every time a 'crippling' injury was inflicted on him it turned out he was prepared for that. Without a continuity between matches that couldn't have happened.

Yeah lets not forget that Cosmo actually passed out during the fight against Akoya. If Akoya got up and stepped away he would've won.

Full body contusions, cracks in his forearms. barely made it out of the venue before he collapsed and is only fighting cause he's hopped up on painkillers = Not injured?

>Full body contusions, cracks in his forearms. barely made it out of the venue before he collapsed and is only fighting cause he's hopped up on painkillers = Not injured?
I don't think people really appreciate how badly adam's one punch really fucked Cosmo up. The followup blows also hurt, but it all goes back to how Cosmo had Main character plot armor to keep him going as both he and Ohma had a round 2 opponent who managed to KO them but then stopped the match from ending and taking the win.

We could put faces so anons remember who is who.

>I survived a Gu ritual
>Haven't slept since
He looks like more muscular Agito as how he looked when Metsudo saw him for the first time. Except that Agito ended up somewhat good looking with age, and after Gensai punched the autism out of him he looks like a nice person.

Gensai puts all of them to shame. Like said, stabbing into steel plate finger-deep with ZERO damage is far and away the most powerful attack in this manga. It means he can absolutely annihilate durability based fighters like Seki, Saw Paing and Julius.

So Ohma awakens on the third or fourth fight? Do we keep tracl of damage?

Gotta be honest, if they don't remember who is who they probably shouldn't be voting. And it takes less than a minute to check the wiki.

>If Akoya got up and stepped away he would've won.
If Akoya didn't jab his arm in Cosmo's mouth to stop him from surrendering he would've won.

We're clearly not since that user just said "fuck it lets go". Kind of a waste.

Mind that each of those fighters have different kind of durability. Devil Lance would definitely work on on each of them, but some of Gensai's moves would be ineffective, for example Gensai wouldn't be able to fuck up Saw Paing's shoulder as he did to Ohma.

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I've been using this for a while.
It's just something I made once the tournament bracket chapter was translated, pls no bully.

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Beard is far and away the most perfect fighter in the manga. He's got all his weaknesses covered and all his strengths are insane. Basically, you're dealing with
>the most experience out of any fighter, which allows him to instantly recognize styles and techniques and gives him the knowledge to counter them
>near clairvoyance-level foresight
>the most solid defense outside of specialists like Saw Paing in durability alone, coupled with his skill basically the best
>style that is all basics which means it has no weaknesses if he's better then you, which he is
>a one-hit-kill attack that can break through any defense to cause horrendous damage, can be spammed and incorporated into almost any technique since its form is so simple and that he can and does use like a feint perfectly
Basically, the only way to feasibly beat him is a freak like Bando using his mutation to one-shot him while no one knows about it, and even that is a coin toss at best. Just take him out and put in Hassad or something.

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Sure, but he'd just stab him into his organs.

Dont stop training. You can come far even with a shitty build

>How would Agito handle going up against Kiryu
I can tell you he wouldn't eat Rakshasa's Palms like a retard. Bear in mind Agito went up against top tier fighters who were able to land on him because they used simple techniques. Something like that would never land on him and considering he's a lot more aggressive then Kuroki, he'd pulverize him after the first counter.
>or even against someone like Meguro
Basically the same. You're underestimating how fucking strong Agito is. He hits like a train and is absolutely top-tier skill-wise. He could probably kill Kiryu with a single punch is it landed clean.

i agree with the latter

Gensai would recognize Sekibayashi's conviction and dedication towards pro wrestling, commend him on it, and kill him as a way of showing respect

Gensai killed Ohma bc he knew that Ohma wanted a full fledged battle. If he would have taken pity with him, it would have been an insult to them both,

Exactly my point. Actually, that being said, Devil Lance might be less effective on someone like Julius due to sheer muscle density, and even Bando could be a problematic target for that one.

That being said, given what happened in Saw vs Karo and Ohma vs Gensai, I wonder how many punches to the head would Gensai be able to deliver to Saw before his hand would break.

Post Cohma Ohma is overrated imo. I wouldn't put him in the top 5 fighters in the tourney.

>didn't kill Rihito
>didn't kill Rei
>didn't kill Agito
Gensai's not an asshole. The only one he tried to kill was Setsuna.

And for good Reason.
He was probably the 3rd most insane person in the tournament.

They all lacked the CONVICTION

>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, tell me how much you learned from watching my last fight.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but watch your stance, it's Catfoot not Flatfoot.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but take care with these opponents, they are armed and outnumbering us, pay attention to how I keep my guard and you do the same.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but this time keep a close eye on my opponent, watch what he does and reflect upon that.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but here is what I think you need to do to progress as a studen- uh, Freelance Martial artist.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but now that you have grown a manly beard, you have passed the final test. You are ready.
>Ichiro, I'm not your Master or anything, but I'm proud for you to inherit the Kaiwan style through methods unrelated to me. Now that you are ready, I will be not teaching you the hidden kata-technique of the Kaiwan Grandmasters, but I will be performing it over there and you are free to watch.

>Rei, I'm not your Master or anything, but you need to focus on yourself rather than a woman if you want to truly improve on your skill.
>Rei, I'm not your Master or anything, but if you want to make Raishin Style to no longer be focused on assassination, you'll need to work on it, instead of simply promising a woman that you won't kill anymore.

>Kanoh, I'm not your Master or anything, but while swapping between Formless and Formed may be effective against lesser fighters, it creates an opening where you can get hit when your muscles are not flexing, leading to taking all the damage.

>Ohma, I'm not your Master or anything, but your warrior's spirit is commendable and I will honor you by beating the living shit out of you.

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I don't think Gensai can punch hard enough to break his super-durable hands. Karo punched too hard for his bone density, same with Ohma. I think he could legitimately hit Saw Paing as much as he wants.

I don't think that's how anatomy works

Yeah, those two have definitely the most durable bones, at least fingers and head for Gensai, out of all Tournament Fighters.
Of course, it's impossible to tell if Ohma's hand ended up so fucked because his muscles were too weakened to properly use Iron-Breaker or because Gensai's head is that much harder. I lean on the former myself.

>3rd
Other then Meguro, who was crazier then him? Akoya? Honestly, i think Setsuna out-crazies him. Both of them can appear sane and functional until they're triggered, but at least Akoya is still somewhat focused even in his craziest. Setsuna goes into la la land.

my first session is next week. I hope I can become a decent fighter despite being 23, but I know real life isn't a manga : (

It'll end something like this

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THe biggest thing you can learn for grappling is getting more flexible and a higher pain tolerance. Prediction and reaction come from experience, but if you are stiff and can't handle a lock you won't get anywhere.
You're next path is learning how people are going to escape and trapping them while that happens.

...

I much prefer it to striking anyways, as a kid in school I always tried to immobilize someone if I was fighting. We did wrestling for a couple sessions and I was the best, too, and even beat a much larger guy (I'm sure if he could strike he woulda beat me though)

I'm naturally pretty bendy, but I wanna start doing flexibility and mobility training. anything you recommend, or will they teach me it there?

...

Hassad soon.

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Thank you for not going balistic on frog posters. The last thing these threads need is derailment. Hail the comfiness

>Akoya?
Apart from his 'NIKO IS EVERYWHERE' phase, yes.
Akoya kills innocent people just for being RELATED to criminals. Like imagine if you were sitting at home, and because a second cousin you maybe met once at a BBQ raped a chick you now have an upside-down head and being told that's serving Justice.

>NIKO IS EVERYWHERE
And that was because of the side effects Fallen Demon. Normality he is less crazy

If the gym is any good they'll do some teaching/training on flexibility, but if you like your joints and muscles I'd do practice outside.

You aren't going to be able to do much for hinge joints like knees or elbows, but shoulders, hips, wrists, you neck, and your back can all be stretched. No lie yoga is pretty good for learning useful static stretches, but for dynamic stretches toe touches, butterflies, shoulder circles, hip and leg circles, neck circles and the like should keep you from breaking too badly.

I learned these from a karate dojo that was transitioning into a MMA gym so you can learn my biases if they exist.

Ohma was already dying, even the Dr said it was too late to save him without serious equipment.

>Both of them can appear sane and functional until they're triggered, but
>Meguro can appear sane and functional
Are you serious?
I would have put Agito to Omori here, but seems I lack this particular reaction image.

Considering he beat Wakatsuki, Raian, Cosmo and Setsuna, which 4 other than Gensai could beat him?

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The Waka fight was bullshit. Demonsbane is probably the single most OP technique in the series. Skill and ability-wise Ohma should never have beaten Waka.

Meg just want to toss people around.
Setsuna is schizo.

Both clearly referred to Akoya and Setsuna.

Thanks dude. So anons, how did you find the chapter?

>Gaou is ancient
>all of his techniques revolve around redirection and using someone else's power to hit them harder
>probably relied more and more on technique and less and less on raw strength as he got older

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Raian would've beaten him, if he wasn't retarded and actually used Kure tech.So by that logic - maybe Hollis.
Rei could probably rush him down even if he is linear as fuck.
Agito would still fuck him up with short range stuff, since those are still KO strikes for Agioto.
Gaolang coud do resonably well.
Maybe Akoya, since he is a better Rihito, more or less.
Maybe Muteba, depending no how much Ohma could see through.
And like FUCK Ohma would've been able to do much against Saw Ping.

We saw that Gaou got more and more jacked as the years ran on. Plus he has strikes in his style and going off the Gaou style the earth dragon technique is just a low profile uppercut not a redirection move.

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>I really like the idea of a small, agile fighter being able to compete through skill and clever grappling

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He didn't get bigger. His muscle was shown to stay the exact same, if anything, in the 30 year comparative image on the next(?) page.

Say what you want about Unfriendly Neighbourhood Tiger-Man, but he had eyebrows worthy of Mukaku's student.
Meanwhile, Ohma's Niko had Dead Mom Haircut.

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>Apart from his 'NIKO IS EVERYWHERE' phase, yes.
>dedicated himself to martial arts solely to sacrifice himself to his ''God''
>betrayed his master who cared for him for the same reason
>arranged for Niko's death because he ''defiled'' his ''God'' (read: was a father to Ohma who loved him)
>maimed a bunch of guys just for accidentally splashing some blood on Ohma
I'm sorry, but no. Akoya is absolutely insane, but at least he's focused and in control most of the time. Also he's VERY straight forward. Kiryu does the most horrible things to people who care about him for absurd reasons.

Nobody cuz he's the fucking MC and Niko Style is the most OP thing in the series so far.

Demonsbane is OP as fuck but it requires you to completely master Niko style. So you're basically complaining that a character is strong. Also Waka got hard countered, Gensai had no problem dealing with super Demonsbane and i'm sure Agito and Gaolang could deal with it.

There was the Sumo wrestler that I don't know the name of (everything about the vids was in Japanese) apparently he was a big deal in the '80s and '90s, I watched him take out people twice his size using technique. So it can work.

Rihito is more durable than people are crediting him for, remember he took a brawl with Removal-Raian and needed just a couple bandages and a boo-boo kiss to be fighting fit.

I'd say Rihito would win out against Harou, for two reasons, Razors edge is going to bring him down much quicker than anything Akoya could do, while Ripper knuckles injured and harassed, any good blows from the edge will have him losing strength as fast as he loses blood, and secondly Rihito and his fighting style isn't going to trigger Harou into his limit break, he isn't going to harass him down with annoying painful moves slowly, he is going to drop him with huge gouges that will throw Harou into a panic over blood loss.

I concede that Avatar-Harou would stomp Rihito, but I'm not convinced the fight would make it that far with Harou having any chance of standing back up.

>Raian
Would have gotten DESTROYED by true Ohma. He's just begging to get one of his retarded full power Removal haymakers Demonsbaned right into his face. Ohma would have made him look like a chump.
>Rei
Would get fucked up, Adamantine hard counters him and all Ohma needs is to catch him once and then he'd grapple him.
>Agito
Would be the toughest after Gensai, could go either way.
>Gaolang
I agree, i feel skill-wise Gaolang is basically a younger Gensai, above even Agito and Ohma. He's fucked by not having an outright bullshit technique and by the manga allowing everyone to tank absolutely ridiculous strikes.
>Maybe Akoya
lol no
>Maybe Muteba
lol no
>Saw Ping
Would get choked out.
Prime Ohma is legit 2nd or 3rd most powerful fighter in the manga.

Chiyonofuji, probably. What video did you watch, though?

We don't know how serious the fight with Raian got tho. We know Raian used his removal, but he seems like the kind of character that would use that a lot.
But the Rihito vs Haruno fight is a close one regardless.

Rihito is one of the characters with the most potential in the series. He entered the tournament with nothing but his raw stats and self-taught fighting style. That said, i don't see him take Haruo (or anyone, really) the way he was. Post-Gensai Rihito is going to be a monster, though.

>And like FUCK Ohma would've been able to do much against Saw Ping.
Other than grappling like the other guy said, you don't need to strike bones you know, liver shots can ko just as easily as a jaw shot. Early-Ohma was able to take down Seki the defence specialist after all (even if it was only for a short while).

Quite a few actually, I basically spent a day watching sumo matches so I can't give you a name, sorry.
I do remember he fought this absolutely huge guy - like this guy was two rikishi in one. And he used his weight against him but almost blew out his knee in the process.

I dunno, I feel like tracking down and systematically murdering innocent people simply for being related to criminals just angers me more on a moral level
Also it probably helps we understand why Kiryu is the way he is, he was raised in a fucked up place solely to be an organ donor. Akoya as far as I can tell we have no reason for why he's Sweet Mask on Steroids

He reminds me a lot of Wakatsuki, both were absolute monsters as kids, Wakatsuki had the full body strength but Rihito could tear a coin apart with his bare fingers which I doubt even muscle boy could do.

From what you're describing, it could have been Takanohana versus Musashimaru.
youtu.be/NJMX3SW4JF8?t=427
Something like this?

Waka smashed a titanium controller while playing a game. Rihito's fingers are probably the second naturally strongest. In practice he would be behind Reinhold Waka and Kuroki in that order.

I'm getting the feeling that either Gaoh style is limited to decent but heavily flawed striking, or Gaoh is deliberately hiding most of his aresenal. The only other move we saw form Gaoh style is a proto-Nico tech anyway.

>Raian
That's why I said non-retarded Raian. Kure tech by itself is apperently top tier, and Raian nerfs the fuck out of himself by devolving into pure brawling. That is why I also said Hollis, sine he canonicly 2nd best current Kure around and doesn't have Raian's stupididty.

>Rei
Rei was keeping consistant barage on both SawPing and Beard, who both have bullshit defence due to BONES and SKILL respectively. I really doubt Adamantine could counter either rush ins or close quarter by itself.

>Agito
I'm not sure about "formless", but "formal's" Dragon shot is massively a bitch to predict and counter.

>Akoya\Muteba
Both have means to disable Advance
Puppeter Akoya can use his bullshit reflexes to the limits.
Muteba is stupid good at long game, reading and setups. And he has an instadowner.

I do agree with Saw Ping in retrospect though

>Murobuchi vs Gaolang
Murobochi is a lot stronger than credited for, he is fast, tough, strong and powerful and I think he would have a good shot at taking down Goalang. However Goalang is not Wakatsuki, so I feel that Muro wouldn't be going all out, he wouldn't be pulling his best moves and would lose because of it. If he brought the Fastest-Flying-Knee to the fight that is his ticket to win, but I just don't think he would, he would be trying to keep too much in reserve.
Gaolang Victory - No/Minimal Injuries.

>Inaba vs Omha
We know how this one goes.
Ohma Victory - No/Minimal Injuries.

>Okubo vs Nezu
This one is tricky, without the Blitz our boy Nezu actually gets to fight, and his status as top-dog in the biggest arena outside Kengan and Purgatory, as well as his feat of throwing kicks that only the veterans could follow gives him a damn good chance, especially with his huge build a kick-based style would give him incrediby hard to approach reach. I'd say he makes a decent show against Okubo until he breaks through with his signature tackle and brings it crashing down with his MMA cycle. His lack of reach however really puts Nezu at an advantage for this fight, just not enough to bridge the gap.
Okubo Victory - Moderate Injuries.

>Harou vs Rihito
This one is tricky, but honestly I'd have to give it to Rihito, Harou is a foe who will be easy to land those juicy blows on, and one who will struggle to keep composure at the excessive bleeding, Harou dishes out some nasty blows but Rihito has a good build and a decent show against Removal-Raian, that said if he manages to trigger Avatar-of-Indra it might change, but considering the different pace of fight this is going to be I don't think Kono will last until that state.
Rihito Victory - Moderate Injuries.

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As much as people tend to disregard Rihito, he not only is self-taught brawler, who clearly gotten stronger between his fight with Ohma and the Tournament, but also has quite good eye for martial arts, best shown when he immediately figured out how Setsuna survived Devil Lance to the heart.

Rihito would be a nightmare against grapplers like Meguro and Cosmo. Only a ZONE would neutralize him

Kuroki's bones are hard and sharp, it's different type of finger strength. He has the hardest finger bones, but when it comes to grip and tearing stuff he could be behind all of the super-strong guys like Haruo and Raian.

Titanium's surprisingly soft (it's strong for its weight but steel's stronger by volume iirc) and a controller is a lot larger than a coin, Rihito was using the tips of his fingers while Wakatsuki used his whole hands.

>Meguro
Only if he slices tendons. Pain wouldn't work and Meguro would fuck him up in return.
>Cosmo
He'd get zoned.

Pretty good analysis. I agree that fighters like Murobuchi (like Sawada and Nezu as well) are generally very underrated.

Rihito as he fought Ohma needed full swing to have Razor's Edge effective. At the tournament it was no longer an issue, something Ohma noticed at preliminaries. So you are correct he'd be a bad matchup for Cosmo, if he'd fail pinning both of his arms at the same time he uses Zone.

>Waka smashed a titanium controller
That's grip strength, not pinching strength

>Rei was keeping consistant barage on both SawPing and Beard
Both of them are stationary fighters. Ohma, on the other hand, is one of the most mobile fighters in the tournament in addition to being a tank.
>Both have means to disable Advance
He wouldn't really need it, though. Demonsbane fucks both of them up big time. Waka fainted him and still got rekt.

Reminder, he broke out of a hold with brute force.

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>I really doubt Adamantine could counter either rush ins or close quarter by itself.
He withstood fucking Wakatsuki's punches dude, what are you even talking about?
>Both have means to disable Advance
Cohma doesn't even need to rely on advance to wipe the floor with them.
Raian using Kure techniques [not just starting to use them but if he actually have used them for some time] versus Cohma who mastered advance would be balanced and I wouldn't really favour either side, especially since we haven't even seem any Kure techniques yet.

>I'm getting the feeling that either Gaoh style is limited to decent but heavily flawed striking, or Gaoh is deliberately hiding most of his aresenal. The only other move we saw form Gaoh style is a proto-Nico tech anyway.
As I have said here Gaoh Style seems pretty straightforward, dominating when you have physical advantage, winning when you are facing someone of similar strength but have never seen your special move, but incapable to execute said move against someone who have seen it and can keep up with you for at least a bit.

>And he has an instadowner
But if he doesn't instantly downs his opponent the tables get turned. Seki used Muteba like a sandbag after the eye pokes missed

How would Rei react if someone entered his world? Like the world around slows to a near stop, he just goes in and his opponent just raises a hand and makes it clear he can move just as fast?

>Saw Paing vs Adam
Really hard to tell with this one, a real Unstoppable force meets an immovable object, the hardest bones vs strongest punch, Saw is built like a brick wall but Adam punches like a speeding truck. Lithwei is a very aggressive and brutal martial art, but so is Adams street fighting. I'd say ultimately it would be a tough fight but Adam would crack the skull, and also his hand, with his High-Stick Shot.
Adam Victory - Heavy Injuries.

>Bando vs Gensai
This one seems tough at first thought, but my process eventually broke down to two points. Bando has one incredible advantage that can bridge the gap between him and the Kengan Champion, his arm-whip is incredibly lethal, versatile, and hard to follow. Additionally none of the fighters except Hatsumi would have even the fainted clue to be wary of it, even with his incredible amount of experience, even Gensai wouldn't see this coming. But here is the clinch, Bando didn't want to fight that badly and didn't care about winning until his second round, he didn't want to use his killer move in the first round until he gained that resolve. Without that edge I don't think he can beat Gensai, but I think without it his unique and unpredictable build and immense strength would let him get some blows in to Gensai and soften him up for later fights.
Gensai Victory - Moderate Injuries.
*For the sake of avoiding "Well we know Gensai is the best so he wins all brackets again", It might be worth giving this victory to Bando to remove the Devil Lance from the roster early so we can avoid a predictable ending.

>Kiryu vs Karo
I don't think there is much to discuss, If Karo can access his "Ocean-Man" balance he might have a decent showing but if he genuinely needs head-trauma to get that effect, he won't be getting it vs Kiryu and it will be a open and closed case.
Kiryu Victory - No/Minor Injuries.

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>Murobochi is a lot stronger than credited for, he is fast, tough, strong and powerful
And has a great smile

Bando also said that he didn't used Arm Whip in the first round because of the side effects it causes to his body. He bulked up in prison so much to minimise the damage to his body that using the Arm Whip causes.

Oh, I bet I know what it was, if not Takanohana versus Musashimaru. Takanohana versus Akebono.
youtu.be/seUkoUAhzJw?t=150

Akebono is essentially the biggest guy to have ever been in sumo. He and Musashimaru (the guy in the other video) were both 'rivals' of Takanohana. A battle against Musashimaru caused Takanohana to permanently ruin his knee and have to retire, but you could have seen a bout with either one of them. They both fucked up his knees.

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he's a jobber. calling it now, without even reading anythign else.

23 is a good age to start. Why does everyone think that you need to be 5 years old to start Martial Arts?

Hinomaru Zumo?

>The mark of my dignity shall scar thy DNA.

>how you doin
>FUCK
>that's great

what the fuck happened to him?

Nitoku will win. He's the Sen we deserve. Ghost only looks terrible, he isn't actually that bad. He's like a walmart version of Agito, so putting him in the same tournament as Agito would be too funny.

I hoped it was Agito, it turned out to be el hermano

I wonder what is the relationship between the tiger and Gaoh.

Did you 𝓼𝓹𝓮𝓮𝓭𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓭, my friend?

Demonsbane relies on redirecting the recived damage, and neither really went for haymakers if they weren't in the middle of wailing on whoever they were fighting.
Muteba is speced in fakeouts. On top of that he has a discount version of Devil Lance.
Akoya in puppet mode is stupid quick and has a second person analyzing the enemy.
I'm not saying they would stomp, but either could get a couple of good shots in.

For Rei, my arguement was that he also could still get a lot of damage in since he has percision on top of his speed. Him getting a speed boost would probably work against him though, since he is arguably even more likely to end up getting warped around the fist, than against Beard.

Was talking about his heart jab.

Because you stop growing at about 25, flexibility drops, it takes longer to recover from injuries and everything in general goes downhill.

Nope. Samejima, Saigo no Juugonichi - also known as Bachi Bachi.
I've been trying to get systematic to read it for months

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>Checking archives of old Kengan thread, final chapter
>Reads this post
>Gaolong is too experienced. I'd rather a new main character trained by an old one.
>I would be okay with a focus on another tournament though. So the focus would be split on multiple characters at once.
And that was before we knew what Kengan Omega will be about. I wonder... The Kengan crew definitely knew of Absolute Unit Kazuo meme and made it a thing in Danberu.

Did /fit/ memed that into you? I met guys at age 60 who were better and more agile in BJJ and other Martial Arts than some guys at 25

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You stop growing at 25? maybe there's a chance for me yet...

And yeah, basically. You can't become one of the best unless you start as a kid, but you only realize what you like and what you're into when you're a young adult, so me starting at 23 means I'll never compete or win anything or be anything but average, but at least I'll be a reasonable fighter against a complete noob.

Neat, thx for the info

user not to say you're wrong that those 60 year olds were in shape, but did you think maybe it's because they HAVE been training for so long that they're like that?

Saw Paing showed a bit of grappling skill against Rei

Yes but that does not mean that your 20s or 30s are a bad age to start. One of our members started at age 45 and is more fit than most people

He isn't The Flash, user, otherwise he wouldn't have run into Gensai's fist time and again. His perceptions are heightened even compared to the other fighters, true, but there has to be a point where even he sees blurs.

The flash ran into swords too.

You're really underestimating Saw Paing and the damage he can cause. Adam is going to be eating massive shots from what may as well be steel pipes and flails while trying to crack the most durable skull in the series. Also, i doubt Adam hits harder then Karo.

Whoever the small one in this fight is the guy I am talking about:
youtube.com/watch?v=MbG17_aHnOI
He was one of the rikishi, the other wrestler was larger than the guy in the vid.

In abysmally shitty comics, sure. Flash isn't a dude who runs fast, he's super speed: the character.

>Agito vs Cosmo
This will play out similar to Okubo vs Agito and Cosmo vs Ohma, he will get his hits in, show his status as "King of the Stranglers" give people that faint hope of "Oh shit is Fang going to lose?" only to have the Fang turn the tables and out-grapple him.
Agito Victory - No/Minor Injuries.

>Kaneda vs Sekibayashi
Tough call, but I'll keep this short, Kaneda with his incredible foresight let him go toe to toe with Goalang and only fall short by a couple moves. He can read his foe mid-fight well enough to take them on the fly but for Seki, he is a huge wrestling fan and will know his moveset and mannerisms plenty before hand, and lastly Seki is a glutton for the Kayfabe and would play along with every note Kaneda strings along. This is most likely the biggest fish Kaneda has a chance at landing, and would really earn his title of "The Giant Killer".
Kaneda Victory - Heavy Injuries

>Chiba vs Kiozan
Kiozan is strong and stoic and most importantly not the sort to fall for mindgames, which are ultimately Chiba's biggest advantage. Chiba did a good job of emulating other fighters but he is limited by his own strength and skill.
Kiozan Victory - No/Minor Injuries.

>Sawada vs Raian
Another straight forward one playing out similar to Mokochi vs Raian, Sawada gets to show off his moveset and up with Raian all the way up to his 2G Roundhouse, at which point it looks like he has the upper hand then Raian hits the Removal button and breaks his legs backwards.
Raian Victory - No/Minor Injuries.

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Mainoumi vs Akebono. Mainoumi is the smaller one. Akebono just looks bigger because of how distinctively small Mainoumi was. Akebono is 6'8, Mainoumi is 5'7.

>This will play out similar to Okubo vs Agito and Cosmo vs Ohma, he will get his hits in, show his status as "King of the Stranglers" give people that faint hope of "Oh shit is Fang going to lose?" only to have the Fang turn the tables and out-grapple him.
How? Agito is twice his size, faster then him, hits like a freight train and is superior in striking, grappling and experience. How is Cosmo not getting one-shotted?

He was one of the Nikos, taught Advance, has connections to Gu and Tiger Wessel. Also probably has some connection to the incident, where a bunch of Nioks vanished.
My theory so far, is that Tigers Vessel is a once a generation condition, where your cardiovascular system is so naturally amazing, that using Advance becomes a legitimate tactic, not slapped togeter antiRemoval measure. Basicly an antiKure set up, where you can't really train or breed the results needed into the family, but if the chance is right, the results are arguably better.

It is generally the age at which, for most people, any growth develpoments. Basicly, past that point you can't really rely on anything but consistant training for any developments.
Eh, I started sambo at 23 and its been relataively okay so far. Don't have any dreams of competing professionally, but works wonders for general workout routine.

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Agito is the prodigy to end all prodigies, though. The only one who may be more talented is Raian. And that's a BIG maybe.

I dunno, Horny Rei might honestly be that.

Seeing notOhma all bruised up looks like their fight wasn't that short

How I wish KA got a spinoff that's just matches of every combination of fighters

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>who said the gladiators went from A to F, the Gladiators go from S to E

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>Kaneda vs Sekibayashi
I disagree. For one simple reason that is so stupid but so simple it just works.
"Wrestlers...Plan Entire Matches in advanced!"

youtube.com/watch?v=rD8fCRYXkQM
this is the one I was looking for, found it with an English title, thanks for the help.
They fought a lot, it seems like the small guy won most of the time.

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>Kaneda vs Sekibayashi
I can't imagine Kaneda possibly doing enough damage to even knock Sekibayashi down once, let alone win

Kaneda can't really do much to Seki, he just doesn't have the strength to hurt him all that much. Seki took a rush from Advance Ohma and a beatdown from the Sumo and kept on going.

I don't think I've seen that one before, cool. God, Konishiki was fat.

VERY bold take on Kaneda vs Sekibayashi, but i have to disagree. Seki is just too big, too strong and too durable for Kaneda to be able to do anything. He's not breaking that tree trunk arm, he's not flipping the 140 kilo absolute unit and he's not really doing any damage. Also, as pointed out, Seki is a bad matchup because he's a grappler.

youtube.com/watch?v=RKPwvWKtHvcHeres one where the little guy just out manuvered then out powered Konishiki.

Who's the weakest guy who could win the tournament if he had the best matchups while all of his opponents had the worst?

Do we even know if Advance is a Niko style technique?

It was a tough one, Adam is clearly coming out of this looking worse for wear. Between them I think Adam will settle it but Boss-Burger will be looking for their substitute in a hurry. So I'm satisfied for Adam Victory - Heavily Injured, but agree that this fight could go either way.

>Wakatsuki vs Ren
Another simple fight, the question is in the damage inflicted. The biggest feat Ren has to his name is his fight with Setsuna. While initially it looks like he jobbed hard, but his Qilong move pretty much instantly took Kiryu down, who only survived the unslaught because he has a secret Niko-style move that kickstarts when he is about to die. Of course Wakatsuki has his incredibly dense muscles and might just tank the bulk of it, since the damage from Qilong is just a flurry of standard strikes, just when the opponent is entirely undefended and unguarded, so it comes down to how much damage an undefended and unguarded, but still superman syndrome fighter will take from this, enough to wound the bull but far from enough to bring it down.
Wakatsuki Victory - Moderate Injuries.

>Akoya vs Muteba
Muteba is easily one of the deadliest fighters in the entire tournament, but unfortunately his biggest advantage is his cunning. Every fight he managed to swing by catching his opponent by suprise or feinting them off their guard, hell he managed to pull TWO wins with "Oh no, I'm BLIND, I can't see!". Unfortunately Akoya has his spotter reading Muteba like a book, things like his blindsight and deception manuevers will be picked up quickly enough, and if they aren't Akoya would easily react quick enough to them to counter every single play as a defensive specialist. This is quite possibly the worst match up for Muteba.
Akoya Victory - No/Minor injuries.

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It most likely isn't. Considering it was called an emergency measure against removal it is most likely at least a century old in principal, while Niko is around what, 5-6 decades?
Tigers Vessel aparently plays part in Fist of the Seeker, but it isn't fully translated.

Here's a really recent one you might like. This was just 2 weeks ago.
youtu.be/UUaiqLGVFYk?t=172

You seriously underrate Muteba here. If anything I could see this going where Muteba hears the communicator and gets Akoya DQ'd for it. Regardless Muteba is a powerful fighter.
I'd say Muteba victory - moderate/ heavy injuries

A genetic freak with insane grip strength (think Scarface from Baki, or the Mountain from GoT) would be an interesting fighter. He'd sandbag until he sees an opening to grab a limb, or even their throat, and crush it to a pulp. If you want him even scummier, have him start matches with a friendly 'handshake' that cripples one of their hands from the start (of course, it'd only work on freshmen like Koga).

I just can't see Adam injure Saw Pain that much. He survived Yoshinari with no injures, and Yoshinari was an absolute monster when it came to strength and striking power. I don't see Adam hitting THAT much harder then Karo, if at all. Just seem to me like Saw Paing is one of his worse matchups.

I was gonna agree with you, but then i realized he's right. Muteba is a monster, no doubt, but both of his victories came from faking his opponent out and then capitalizing with a surprise lethal blow, and in that respect Akoya might be his worst matchup.

Muteba wouldn't go for the DQ, he'd probably do a boxing of the ears to pops Akoya's eardrums so he can't hear it, which would send Akoya into his sadistic state, which would leave him open for a heart jab

Thanks for the dump user

We have that in Waka to a higher level already, and Rihito and Reinhold to a lesser extent.
Reinhold being stronger but not being a genetic freak.

I agree it would be a very tall order for Kaneda to tackle Seki, but I think thematically it is a great fit and would lead to an incredible fight. He would have to take him down by the joints or attacking his throat similar to Ohma but I think there would be a way to make the David and Goliath story play out for the Giant Killer. Reminds me of the story of how a guy barehand killed a grizzly bear by climbing on its back and biting down on his jugular long enough to sleeper-hold the bear.

But that is a huge mountain ot muscle to climb and Kaneda has Asthma, so I agree entirely with your points.

>Meguro vs Julius
If the Toyo plot is still going ahead, Meguro would withdraw for Julius to move on, but for the sake of the fight lets say that doens't happen, or Meguro gets too blood-crazed to pull out and goes to fight anyway. I don't think Meguro is getting through those muscles, but he goes have the tenacity and insanity to go for the soft bits. I'd say there is a risk of Julius losing an eye but that comes down to if Meguro can pull his Judo on somone that size, especially No-Gi.
Victory Julius - No/Minor injuries.

>Hatsumi vs Mokichi
Even off-peak, I think this is one that doesn't need much discussion, although they both have similar styles this could be a fun one to watch but I don't expect any kind of upset.
Victory Hatsumi - No/Minor Injuries.

>Rei vs Hanafusa
I don't think the doctor really has anything to tackle that instant blitz, and as this is round 1, he doesn't have time to prepare anything to tackle that instant blitz. Only chance the doctor really has is if he has something that prevents him getting knocked out and Rei absolutely refuses to go for the kill even in the face of that, something he is very capable of, but even then he could get a win via the referee calling it if he totally incapacitates the Doctor.
Victory Rei - No/Minor Injuries.

This has been fun, good luck to them all in the polls.

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a girl who smothers guys with her ass haha

>DQ'd
Nope. If the referee didn't spot it or know about it before he starts a match, it's legal. However, a cheater would be pressured into removing any devices for his next matches, which makes any complaints irrelevant because it's not going to be their problem anymore no matter how the fight ends.

youtube.com/watch?v=r64ROWoY9Hg
This is my go-to for Sumo in terms of aggression and power.
Good match recommendation.

Hanafusa COULD win if he asspulls 'I coated my whole body with poison that is fatal even to touch' like a full body version of what Yanagi does
I am of course saying that as a complete extreme

I'm saying that Muteba would hear the communicator before the match then call it out. Muteba vs Blood Lusted Ayoka is in Muteba's favor.

True, but neither of those three used that crazy grip to its full potential. If someone with that strength did, they could literally end the match the moment they grabbed their opponent. It would take a LOT of plot-armour for an opponent to fight through the pain and disability of a crippled limb, which would end 99% of real-life fights.

Ooh, I didn't even think of this route.
Muteba would be basically the only fighter with a chance to notice/hear the communicator and lacks the commitment to the fight that others have, he is commited to the victory and would be more than content to go "Hey Ref, hold the fight, this guy is cheating." to reserve his strength and fighting style for later rounds.

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So it could be the original counter measure against the Wu's?

Possessing Spirit is known to users of Niko Style and to Gensai, but given connection between users of Possessing Spirit, Worm, and Edward Wu, the fact that Possessing Spirit was created as a counter to Removal, it might have been almost as old as the Wu, and those guys have to exist longer than Kure, which are in Japan since the time Buddhism spread to Japan from China.
So it's less a Niko Style technique and more something known to all of and incorporated into it by some of Niko Style users.
>tiger = 大蟲
>蟲 = mushi
>kodoku = 蠱毒 (lit. poison of the mushi container)
>container -> vessel
>in some stories of gu, the Chinese equivalent of kodoku, the mushi which survives to the last becomes a spirit with the ability to shapeshift
>tigers were sometimes called great souls/great spirits (大靈) after they were called 大蟲 deific possession
Didn't Niko meant Twin Tigers too?

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You all forgetting that Muteba has a discount Devil's Lance even outside of heart jab. His throat stab against Waka would've probably killed most other fighters outside of Reinhold. And if he can actually get Akoya into berserker state, Akoya is fuckin dead.

Gotta disagree on Mokichi vs Hatsumi. Mokichi's showing against preRemoval Raian was arguably better than Ohma, I doubt he could actually win, but Sen isn't getting out undamaged.

New age assassin the modeled himslef after Beard, but was to to impatient to push a small set of moves to perfection. So instead of a Devil's Lance, he has Demon's Daggers\Blades, a set of strikes with edges of his fingers and toes, elbows, knees and knuckles. His fighting style is highly defensive and reminiscent of redirection kata, which he follows up with massive swings that work similar to Razor's edge and Ripper but focus on doing massive ripping wounds.

More likely Wu's ace up the sleeve against Kure.

Sure, though again it wouldn't result in an instant DQ if Akoya agreed to take it out. Also, I disagree that an 'unleashed' Akoya would be a sure victory for Muteba; as a matter of fact, I think Muteba would be too badly hurt to win another short-term fight even if he wins. Look at how much damage Meguro, a far less disciplined psycho, managed to inflict on him, to the point he called it outrageous.

>Didn't Niko meant Twin Tigers
Two tigers.

>Tigers Vessel aparently plays part in Fist of the Seeker, but it isn't fully translated.
Does it, really? I never managed to figure out post-tournament side-plot besides of what Mentaro was learning to get stronger.
Given that Fist of the Seeker is undoubtly canon in-universe, I wonder where does Samato falls in Wu-Kure split.

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That makes sense.

The Gaoh style might have that weakness because it's meant to kill the enemy. In that case you wouldn't have to worry about anyone seeing it and learning how to deal with it.

>Tigers Vessel aparently plays part in Fist of the Seeker
According to whom? If it does, I'll read it to find out, but I'm not going to look at that crappy thing unless you're sure.

>hold the fight
Again, DQ'ing someone for cheating is not possible when the fight has already begun, and catching him before the match starts will simply make him remove it. You also have to remember that the signaller isn't a power-boost, it's a restraint that makes him more efficient at the cost of locking his true potential.

>especially No-Gi.
Wasn't really a problem for him when he fought Muteba, and even as a kid he was easily picking up and throwing people definitely heavier than himself.

Full psycho Akoya is easier for Muteba to beat then restrained Akoya. Muteba could sneak a heart stab in on the former easier than the latter.

I can't actually imagine Kuroki beating Julius if he'd had to fight him. The size and strength differences are just too much, the only decisive blow he could make against that monster would be a Devil's Lance through a vulnerable part of his face like the eye. Maybe I'm wrong, but Julius feels like he gets slept on in terms of being a massive powerhouse because he got his worst possible matchup against Wakatsuki with his Blast Core actually being able to take him out, and Kuroki lacks that sheer power.

Mukaku also wouldn't need to worry about people being able to see how he fights, because it's unlikely that anyone on the Inside could keep up with such Absolute Unit of a man.
It also explains why Mukaku decided to discard techniques that were less effective when creating Niko Style. Coincidentally, Earth-Crouching Dragon is clearly absent from Niko Style.

Kuroki is a master of the uttermost secret Karate technique, which makes him invincible. Its name: being the author's favorite.

Because Gensai is THAT strong.
He'd Devil Lance a Knee and elbow and he's now basically made a giant target.

>I won't be going though

He's fighting for purgatory isn't he?

Yeah, I feel bad for myself too, especially after what Sandwich said about Pankration Fighter idea (what Kanoh Agito was originally supposed to be, before they came up with Formless).
At least I have figured out what is the problem of Earth-Crouching Dragon and Gaoh Style being ineffective in Kengan Matches. At least I think that I figured it out. Time will tell if I was right.

Waka and Reinhold are probably the worst match-ups for the Beard, even over the Fang, imo.
The Beard would win for the same reason the Waka beat Julius and Muteba almost beat Waka, strong men still have weaknesses in their head and neck - Reinhold's head and throat are comparatively unprotected and a Devil's Lance to the throat would end the match there. A weaker stab almost beat Waka in the Muteba fight.

Or like the other guy said, Kuroki could just target joints like he did against the Fang's Dragon Shot.

Being reckless even with suprerior speed\strength against Muteba is a one way ticket to getting your balls ripped off, and unlike againts Waka or Jun, Akoya trying his torture routine on Muteba would quickly put him into the maiming mindset. And Akoya doesn't have a Meguros option of just ignoring pain, so all those groin shots and eye pokes are gonna do way more than against Meguro.

He could still rip through his legs and arms/ Sure only 2 things which worked against Reinhold were Waka's blast core and kicks to the head, but that is beacsue Waka can't do much outside of blunt force trauma. Kuroki has his fingers going trough people.

He said in Kengan Asura that he doesn't like fighting for others. He also said that he fought enough in his life. Can't blame him, last time he was active combatant he was still a type of guy who gets fighting boners and ended up gaining his scar fighting proto-Kure with Removal that was using Muay Thai (pic related which was either drawn by Daro after he started working with Sandwich or Sandwich improved THAT much by the end) and delivered elbow attack.

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I somewhat disagree with the first and third.
>Meguro vs Julius
Depends on whether or not Meguro manages to get Julius' neck. If he does, the latter is as good as dead. No amount of slamming is going to make a masochist freak of nature like him relinquish a rear-naked choke, short of crushing him like a juicebox, and his mass will sap his oxygen even faster. Also, you forget that Meguro isn't above biting his opponents, and Julius is a MASSIVE pile of beef to chew on.

>Rei vs Hanafusa
Again, depends on whether Hanafusa is smart enough to use Rei's momentum against him, like Beard did. All he has to do is wait until the last possible moment, then draw his sword and hey presto, the matador wins. Another tool of Hanafusa that gets underappreciated is his use of accupressure, which could easily work on a scrawny target like Rei and paralyse him, robbing him of his one advantage.

Shingoro is the guy who could keep up with "The Strongest Mongoloid", undisputed #1 of Rokushin Kaikan (the karate school that Wakatsuki trained in), who might be as strong as Wakatsuki. Narushima Joji (relation with Koga as of now unrevealed) was one of the Rokushin top 3, and another of that school (who surprisingly defeated one of the top 3, though that one was after an even fight against guy from a different school) was Motoyama Jin, brother of Motoyama Hotaru, secretary of Under Mount, Inc. and a classmate of Imai Cosmo.
The tournament had Kurachi Karuto (Sekibayashi's senpai and co-trainer at CJPW) and Kureishi Mitsuyo. Here with his aforementioned fight boner.

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>Look at how much damage Meguro, a far less disciplined psycho, managed to inflict on him
Gouged his eyes, which is meaningless, and bit of a piece of his arm

Reinhold is just too big and too strong for Meguro to beat, you can't put someone in a Judo lock if they can just break your limbs to get out. Even for the neck - Julius literally scrapped off Waka's face on the wall doing the same to Meguro while he's on his neck would probably rip in in half even if he had only 8 seconds to do it.

Given that Meguro gouged Muteba's eyes as answer to losing one of his own, I'd say Muteba partially intentionally provoked that one.

That first one would've crippled anyone who wasn't conveniently the only blind man in the tournament. Losing a chunk of your forearm isn't something you can just shrug off either, because it effectively puts you on a timer to win or faint from blood-loss. Finally, it's not just about the short-term victory, but your long-term career, which is why any fight against Meguro is inadvisable due to risk of severe injury regardless of outcome. Muteba was smart enough to know when enough was enough, and he knew that he could take Meguro's worst and still have a chance of winning the tournament.

I figure that Muteba let that happen. He probably could have stopped Meguro before the gouging, as he crushed his sack right afterwards, but let it happen for some reason

>how you been doing?
>FUCK
>glad to hear it

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A rear-naked choke isn't something you can just rip your way out of with brute strength, especially when your arms are in the worst possible position to exert force, they've tied their and your own body weight to your neck, and you've only got seconds to free yourself. Choking is exactly how shrimps like Cosmo can take down men much bigger than he is, especially if he uses his legs, which are much stronger than his arms.

Nah, he was taken by surprise that Meguro doesn't react to pain like he would expect.

New chapter fucking when?

Oh, I've done grappling chokes are a bitch, but Reinhold is strong enough to just break Meguro's choking arm. He spiked that Ballet Guy and crushed his leg without any effort and Meguro didn't show himself to be physically all that durable.

To build on top of that, even if his technique would be worse, Meguros grip would still most likely be way stronger than Cosmo's, and his durability would be way higher. Akoya got choked out while slamming Imai into arena edges hard enough to crack them, Meguro could most likely survive through way more.
There is alway a Baki way out by vicegripping the fuck out the hand and terring through muscles, but thats a question if Julius can pull that off.

i'm laughing so fucking hard i'm crying

Muteba is a mercenary seeking only victory, he'd totally rules-lawyer his way into a DQ

Meguro was shown to atleast put dislocated limbs back in place, and trying to break the choking arm didn't do much against Cosmo for Akoya.

Meguro could handle pain better than any fighter undoubtedly, but his body didn't seem to be as superhuman as Kuroki's or Ohma's.
You can't choke someone if you forearm isn't straight anymore. Cosmo's arm was broken but not as badly as Reinhold is capable of breaking Meguro's.

Koga won't actually care if Ohma is dead, he's already found plenty of Ohma substitutes

I think he'd go all Hanyama and just tear the guy's arm apart. I think he's probably strong enough to do that

Probably, kinda boils down to how much stornger is Reinhold compared to berserking Akoya and how much more durable is Meguro compared to Cosmo. That guy brought up thought of people going full Hanyama, and doesn't Meguro also have bullshit grip strength once properly grabs? Part of his schtick was that no-gi didn't matter since he could just grab the body?

in his hands, doesn't necesarilly mean he has extraordinary elbows

I was going with:
grab trachea\thyroid, not whole throat>either yank or crash, istead of trying to chocke as against Muteba

>Pankration
Does Sandwich really browse these threads?

Grappling Julius is about the last thing you wanna do. Your hold is unlikely to restrain his arms, and if you try for a choke he'll crush your bones.

Cosmo I think

He wanted to do Pankration for a long time, it was originally planned to be Agito's style and his fight vs Okubo would've been about new school vs old school. Which is kinda why I think he is gonna show up again in the tournament.
Theere was also a russian merc using sistema at one point, before Muteba became a thing.

it'll be Oberyn all over again

I'll be sticking with the current format of the random tournament for now. It's the first one anyway, there's room for improvement with the next one.

Do we even know anything about pankration aside from the fact it existed and it was intended to be as close to real fighting as possible?

Which fighters are the most underrated?

I'd say that Takeru, the Sumo guy, is really underrated as far as strength and power go. He is physically one of the strongest fighters in the tournament.
I would also say that Adam is underrated in the same way.

Also Robinson would have gone far if he didn't end up against Raian in the first round.

he´s going to Murder the other guy, isnt he?

Not soon enough. I have read raws because of it. gudounokobushi.web.fc2.com/index.html and I can only understand as much as I did for tournament part thanks to the translated chapters.

Define weakest.
Cosmo wasn't physically impressive during Ashura, but went far on tech alone.
Hanafusa could probably go pretty far by the virtue of quckly maiming most opponenst, who are not Bando, Waka, Julius, Agito or Beard.

Mokichi and Chiba probably. Robinson, got one of the hardest possible matchups from the get go. Chiba fucked himself over trying aikido against akido expert

I'm gonna say Sawada. I love Rihito, but in their "rivalry" he's definitely the underdog. The absolute speed, power and technique would honestly make him a difficult opponent for most fighters. Instead he got it bad against the man with the hardest muscles. I don't think he ever could've beaten Julius, nor someone like Kuroki. But few fighters would go lightly wounded from those kicks and would have a hard time actually touching him. Plus you can bet your ass that dancer stamina is top notch.

user, unlike bartitsu/baritsu pankration is actually a martial arts that had revival and isn't dying anytime soon.
>Neo-pankration (Modern Pankration) was first introduced to the martial arts community by Greek-American combat athlete Jim Arvanitis in 1969 and later exposed worldwide in 1973 when he was featured on the cover of Black Belt. Arvanitis continually refined his reconstruction with reference to original sources. His efforts are also considered pioneering in what became mixed martial arts (MMA).

>Chiba fucked himself over trying aikido against akido expert
How the fuck did Sen even win? I know the triple strike but before that he did something that made Chiba drop to his knees

On the topic of Meguro not being durable, the fucker got ragdolled twice by Sawada's kicks right before his fight in the same way Ohma got by Agito. Sawada even commeneted that he was surprised to Meguro shrugged that off. So either Sawada is seriously overestimating his kicks, or Meguro is significantly sturdier when people give him credit for.

Think earliest mma, when there were barely any rules and next to no weight divisions.

I think he reversed an akido grip/hold that Chiba tried to use.

Yah but I was talking about original pankration.
In the manga they said that it had survived and arrived in japan, and the guy is even wearing a classical toga

I always thought that he reversed the atampted wrist grip and forced him to the knees with pendulum like full body movement. In retrospect, I gotta agree, the entire thing looks weird.

Well retrospect is usually not kind. But at least it was one of those things that kinda works in the moment. Unlike the entire rebellion.

Sawada was supposed to be roughly equal to Rihito in overall skill right? I'd bet that his kicks are slightly weaker than one of Rihito's razor swips but he throws more of them at a time.

I think Sawada in a fight would have been like the Tan Guy in Omega, lots of slightly weaker than average but quick strikes with a strong finish.

It is kinda the opposite really. I just went and reread that part. At least one of his kicks put Meguro's head through the concrete and any of the stornger ones sent Meguro flying around the place, similar to how Adam's punches would send Cosmo flying.
If nothing else, it reconfirms that Rihito, being Sawadas rival is really fucking durable overall.
And that Meguro went on to fight Muteba with massive sustained damage.

Ghost seems like a total jobber honestly

Oh shit, is this a pankration guy? Or greco-roman wrestler?

>Sawada was supposed to be roughly equal to Rihito in overall skill right?
That's never really stated, or even directly implied.

Although if we're going on Kengan stats, prior to Rihito fighting Ohma both were undefeated in Kengan matches but Rihito had 5 wins on Sawas 4, but less than half the assets acquired. It could imply that Sawa is a more valuable fighter, but it could also mean nothing.

Yeah it was stopped because a Chinese guy came in an beat everyone at it.

Called it

Well being Rivals they should have some level of equity between them - like restrained Gaolong and Saw Pang.
Although with Rihito you never know because he thought that he was almost as strong as Ohma.

I'd say it's because Sawada was in smaller company that was not changing who they hire anytime soon, unlike Yoshikata.

I agree

Fuck off Retsu

Pankration was basically proto-MMA. All sorts of moves were allowed, with the only limitations being bites and eye-gouges for obvious reasons. Surprisingly, deaths were highly uncommon in these matches, which makes the low body-count in the Kengan series actually realistic.

Rihito is weird to judge on overall power, since the people we know he undeniably lost are really strong. Even amnesia!Ohma is really high level. And in the tournament itself he walked away relatively fine form removal!Raian and lost ot the fuckin Beard, which might as well not count, because BEARD.
Kinda same for Sawada, really. He beats the fuck out of Meguro, handling him arguably better than Muteba did. But it is hard to judge how much damage he actually did, since Meguro doesn't really show damage, unless it is blatantly visible. And Julius is, again, a shitty point to compare to since he could go through a large chunck of the tournament with strength alone.

Looks like a JUSTed Agito. Looking forward to the fight next week

>Absolute Unit Kazuo meme and made it a thing in Danberu.
Sure did

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I keep seeing this posted.

Is this meant to be "Dispair, but also an erection" for Kengan?

Yes, and have the votes be once per chapter. This manga isn't gonna finished in a loooong while, and discussion will always be fun.

>Surprisingly, deaths were highly uncommon in these matches
Mostly because you were seen as an incompetent for killing your opponent, and you lost the match if you did.

I think Nitoku will win, partly because it's like said, and I think Sandrovich wants to tell that fight again, but how Sen could have won instead

Exactly. In a way, it looked as if Daro is browsing Yea Forums and is in Kengan threads, and that was him giving us subtle spoilers.

These character designs seem sort of uninspired honestly

If he is watching these threads, I'd tell him to take care, because the last Japanese author who visited these boards got taken in for tax evasion.

They both look like delibirate throwbacks to Sen and Agito, so it is probably intentional. Which is also why Nitoku is porbably gonna win, as a contrast to how Sen vs Agito went down.

There are a lot of violent people that do professional fighting, but just because someone is violent that doesn't meant that they have the will or madness to kill another man.

I just assume he remembers people by their muscles and bone structure, being a grappler and all. Like that guy from Eyeshield 21.

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I think we can argue that it's Meguro's durability keeping him steady, considering the force it takes to launch someone that heavy. But damn I went back to read those two chapters, and this tranny straight up grabs Meguros hand and redirects his power WITH HIS FUCKING FOOT! I mean I know Meguro wasn't all about striking but shit man.

>it looked as if Daro is browsing Yea Forums and is in Kengan threads,
There's almost have proof without him outright saying it, but I can say without a doubt Sandrovich DOES AT LEAST read the English scans/releases of his work.

Case in point. ジーナ・ボイド or Gina Boyd vs. Zina Void. In Japanese, both alphabetized spellings are accurate. It could literally be either one.
>It's apparent Sandrovich based her name as a mix of Russian "teen" pornstars, Gina Gerson and Krystal Boyd.
>Japanese Raws Chapter 56 Page 13: Director Deire, in English, refers to her as "Chan-G."
>After the anime is announced, and the characters were placed with bios on the official site, THIS was how her name would OFFICIALLY show up (not some google translate)
However, after some time:
>Sandrovich himself begins altering English spellings in newer chapters (yet unreleased)
>That very same character bio page for her on the official site for the anime CHANGED THE COMPLETE SPELLING of her name to perfectly match the English scanlations.

It's wild, and only mentions the Danberu aspects, but Sandrovich does actually look at the English and maybe reads these threads

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Why not just bring Hatsumi back though? Agito's off travelling the world as a Kamen Rider now but Hatsumi's probably doing fuck all

>Daro
Err, you meant Daromeon the artist, didn't you? Oops. Well, that, too. Have some more Danberu Ultimate Kaz by MAAM.

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The artist Daromeon lived in America for over a decade so consider that.

It is a 50\50 of him either starting to take fighting seriously after his loss against Agito or him saying fuck it completly. We still don't know who the new Fang is, so there is still that possibility.

Wassup, Daro-bro?

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It's always nice to see these thread reach bump limit

none of this tells us what kind of moves of fighting styles they actually used or what kind of training they did.
What I mean is that we have no idea how a pankration fighter would actually fight. With HEMA we have surviving manuals, so we can get an idea, but with panks?

Or you just google Pankration and read nigga.

I'd bet on it being a worse version of modern MMA. Less developed but overall similarly well-rounded.
It likely had a emphasis on wrestling given that the Greeks in general were big on wrestling.

I asked if we know anything about the fighting style. A bunch of anons answered with irrelevant answers about a modern fighting style that has nothing in common with it except the name, or about the fact that it was very violent.

This thread was %100 pure quality discussions.

It did. Most of what we still know about it is holds, throws and locks. It does come across as more brutal than more modern wrestling though. Striking was still an obvious part of it, but again most of what we do know is based on grappling.

>Gaolang
>Ohma
>Okubo
>Rihito
>Saw Paing
>Gensai
>Setsuna
>Kanoh
>Jun
>Kiozan (actually not really sure)
>Raian
>Wakatsuki (that would be a good match, though)
>Could go either way
>Julius
>Sen

Hatsumi could actually lose his first match if he isn't careful. Robinson is no pushover and if Sen is in poor condition he might be run over. Decent or good condition Sen wins tho.

Koga is the Tiger's Vessel