>Shio suddenly forgets about her morther
>Taiyou keeps being a retard, no character development
>Hideri tells Asahi he will find the light. She dies for nothing. Asahi sees her dead body but at end, no character development.
Shittiest anime ending ever.
i need a shio in my life
It's almost as though a constant element of the series is that some people can be damaged beyond recovery.
What was the purpose of Hideri then?
She was the one that led Asahi to Satou, which was pretty important.
She also was important for showing how much Shio meant to Satou and the lengths she would go to protect the life she wanted.
Shio was/is a demaged child, Satou just used her.
Satou deserved a much worse death for killing Hideri (Asahi's only love).
Also, Asahi didn't find the light. Hideri death was meanless.
>Hideri death was meanless.
The thing is how was she supposed to know that in advance? As Satou's best friend she would have felt she was in the best place to convince her to change, even if she had started to seem a bit unstable.
In terms of the story it wasn't meaningless either and gave a very clear point of no return to the story. While I feel the last episode had too much coincidence to enjoy it as much as the other episodes that murder makes her decision to jump clear.
Also I've just gone along with it and guessed but at what point did she ever get called Hideri?
>Hideri
Who?
>M-mom I posted it again
Sorry, her name was Hida.
The point is...
ASAHI DIDN'T FIND THE LIGHT AT THE END!!!
Asahi found Shio after Hida's death... So what?
That didn't change anything. Satou died, Shio became crazy...
Hida should have stayed alive to be with Asahi and then kill Satou and Shio.
This show was a masterpiece. I'm looking forward to the next anime this studio is doing.
>>Hida should have stayed alive to be with Asahi and then kill Satou and Shio.
Is this the state of Asahifags? That a good end is him killing his own sister for no reason?
I'm not surprised you didn't like it if that's the sort of development you wanted.
Looking for character development in a story about people who are seriously mentally ill criminals? You picked the wrong show.
>muh character development
yikes
>Expecting complex writing in a by the numbers melodrama
>Looking for character development in a story about people who are seriously mentally ill criminals?
What is Psycho Pass?
>That a good end is him killing his own sister for no reason?
No reason?
She is fucked in the head. The story is unsolved.
Asahi didn't find the light.
>Would rather stay with a kind and loving caretaker than return to an abusive family
>Fucked in the head
Shio was one of the most reasonable people in the entire series.
Shoko dead is what put everything on the move, how can you say she died for nothing.
Shio want's to forget about her mother, how can you miss such an easy point.
Taiyou was never meant to improve on his persona, he's the exact opposite of character development, that was the point of his character.
Shio is a selfish bitch who doesn't care for her brother.
Asahi explained why her mother abondoned her, she simply didn't give a fuck.
>Shoko dead is what put everything on the move, how can you say she died for nothing.
Asahi lost the only person that loved him. He didn't find the light. Shio is a moving corpse now.
>Shio want's to forget about her mother, how can you miss such an easy point.
Shio is selfish. She doesn't care for her brother.
Hida's death was meanless.
Did you miss the element that showed that Asahi was selfish and didn't really care about Shio either?
Even if his intentions were good at the start by the end he was just treating her as a cure to all his problems and willing to drag her away from happiness for his own sake. In the end he ruined everyone's lives through his actions.
It doesn't change that I can sympathise with him, much like I can with most of the characters in this.
>Did you miss the element that showed that Asahi was selfish and didn't really care about Shio either?
No, I didn't.
That's why Hida saved him.
SHE FUCKED MILLIONS!
GG
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Reminder that Satou translates to sugar and Shio translates to salt.
Loved how fucked this whole thing was, really puts a smile on my face
Post some Satou lewds.
It isn't fucked.
It's shitty.
It had potential.
But it was a beautiful love story with an actual conclusion for the couple involved.
Shio is like 5, and Satou is an insane murderer.
Asahi and Shoko are the closest things to sane adults in this entire show. Is Satou were anyone else you might have a point. But Asahi isnt taking Shio away from her happiness, he's taking her away from a insane criminal.
We didn't really get any quality fanart, lewd or not.
There are a total of TWO (2) auntie lewds on Pixiv that don't look awful
a crime against humanity I say
Sweet and salty, ever heard of it?
It's a shame that suggests that it was only Yea Forums that had her as best girl.
at least I was able to blow my load to this one a solid dozen times
I want to marry aunty!
It's just a shame to know we'll never get any of the possible doujin scenarios made. There were enough canon events to use.
Maybe the manga will gives us more after Satou's dead and not rush it like the anime.
Auntie is for love not lewd!!!
you can't not lewd a succubus like this
Later in the episode you see her in front of a window and see her spiraling a police cap on one finger. He came back.
>47 replies
>not one calling out OP for being a streaming faggot
Yea Forums truly is dead.
25 GB SSD
What can I do?
Auntie's power is absolute, no man is safe, adults and shota alike
God I want to become her cute little toy so bad
And that's just a fraction of what I like about it. I come from a generation that was very used to unsatisfying anime original endings, and I nearly forgot how badly I missed them. Most anime these days don't even end, they just stop at a convenient point in the source material. An ending like this at least leaves the anime lingering in the mind for longer, which is more than I can say for most of the seasonal stuff I've watched over the years.
Man what a poor soul, raped by a sexy older woman, oh the humanity
Two sexy older women
over and over, oh the humanity
Was this not popular in nipland?
I can't find any lewds of Shio and Satou.
Reminder that Goblin Slayer and SAO: Alicitization both got their rape scene while Kino Sugar Life was censored.
>Goblin Slayer
get that weak shit out of here
Someone being related to you doesn't automatically mean that you have to love them. As awful as Yuuna's circumstances were she was still a terrible mother to Shio and even abandoned her in the street. She can't make Shio happy.
One point that comes up after Satou kills Shouko is that Satou saw Shio as a prize, something that would dispense happiness and love, and how that was wrong because Shio is her own person with her own emotions and needs. Satou realizes this and begins to treat Shio as an equal.
Meawhile, Asahi views Shio as the key to getting his broken family back together. The thing is, reuniting Shio with their mom wouldn't have brought them happiness; Yuuna is wholly incapable of taking care of anybody, and she knows it. What was Asahi going to do, sleep under park benches with Shio?
And Asahi didn't care about what Shio wanted. He was only concerned about getting his family back together, whether they liked it or not. And by the end of the story, he's used blackmail, threats of torture and even tried to kill Satou out of anger-- he was no better a person than Satou was.
It was so popular that every decided it was too good to lewd
Satou is also the only person who has demonstrated that she can take care of Shio
Also Satou is very much not insane. She's definitely mentally twisted, but she's also calm and logical. She won't murder people for no good reason, and she stops herself from killing Asahi early on because she knows that she could never get away with it and it would end her life with Shio.
And the only times that Satou has killed people was when she was defending Shio. Hell, she was completely justified in killed the artist guy, because he was in the process of murdering an innocent child
Killing the artist maybe but not Shoko
Shio being ratted out would've been the worst possible thing for her. She would've either
1) Been returned to Yuuna who can't take care of her at all (and is going to go to jail soon for murder)
2) Been put into a foster care system which is always a clusterfuck
Shoko had already shown that she couldn't be trusted, and her immediately ratting Satou out to Asahi proves it. Satou gave her too many chances to just walk away from the entire situation, but Shoko wouldn't let it go and Satou had no choice.
None of that is worse than murder. You can't just put Shio's life in captivity above lives of others who actually matter to society like Shoko because she's just a few years younger. No matter what happens Satou can't keep that child locked up forever, if even delayed for an extra week, it's gonna happen. At the end of the show we don't even know whose care Shio ends up falling under.
>One point that comes up after Satou kills Shouko is that Satou saw Shio as a prize, something that would dispense happiness and love, and how that was wrong because Shio is her own person with her own emotions and needs. Satou realizes this and begins to treat Shio as an equal.
Wrong.
Satou killed her best friend just to keep Shio. Shio was a damaged child and Satou used that for her own benefits.
>Asahi views Shio as the key to getting his broken family back together. The thing is, reuniting Shio with their mom wouldn't have brought them happiness; Yuuna is wholly incapable of taking care of anybody, and she knows it. What was Asahi going to do, sleep under park benches with Shio?
The problem wasn't the mother, it was the father. Asahi explained to Shio.
>And Asahi didn't care about what Shio wanted. He was only concerned about getting his family back together, whether they liked it or not. And by the end of the story, he's used blackmail, threats of torture and even tried to kill Satou out of anger-- he was no better a person than Satou was.
Asahi attacked Satou because she killed Hida. She deserved a much worse death.
What exactly was bad about Shio living with Satou? Satou didn't even kidnap Shio.
If Satou was Shio's mom then most people would more readily defend Satou's actions, because we think of mothers as willing to do anything for the sake of their children. Satou too was willing to do literally anything to protect Shio, and she was always protecting Shio. She's even willing to give up her own life.
Yuuna became physically abusive toward Shio and was keeping her locked up in the house. She was an abusive mother, even if she is sympathetic. Her abandoning Shio was explicitly because Yuuna realized that she was becoming abusive and didn't want to become a monster like her husband.
She LITERALLY kidnapped Shio, and placed her in what is essentially solitary confinement save for the few hours they sleep and eat together.
Satou asked Shio if she wanted to come with her, and Shio agreed. Shio had been abandoned in the street by her mom. Should Satou have just left her in the street to god knows what fate?
Are you familiar with this societal entity called the POLICE?
You are dumb.
Shio's mom abondoned her to kill the father, she was also mentally unstable and didn't want to hurt Shio.
Shio turned into a selfish bitch like Satou in the end of the anime.
The police can't even win against a single woman living in her own filth.
She literally rescued Shio from dying in the street after her mother abandoned her. At no point did she use force to take Shio away.
The only time she did anything that could be construed as keeping her by force was putting the lock on the outside of the door which she did for Shio's own safety after she realized she couldn't trust her to always stay in the house on her own. Child-proofing the house is something parents do all the time. Just because the situation is a bit different doesn't mean it wasn't for Shio's own good. Also, after the one incident Shio never tries to leave the house again, so it's not like the lock ever kept her inside anyway. She styed because she wanted to.
Furthermore, Satou later realizes she was wrong to be so overly protective of Shio which is part of her character development and the development of their relationship in one of the pivotal moments in the story.
I understand and agree that Shio's mom is a piece of shit. That doesn't legally relinquish property of the child to some random fucking teenager, and one who locks the kid away from interacting with society at that. Shio's mom needs to receive punishment by the proper authorities and maybe transferred care to any possible relatives just as Satou was to her aunt. Hence, once again, the key word, L E G A L L Y.
So what exactly was Asahi's plan if he got Shio back? Run from the police together? Sleep in alleyways because Yuuna can't hold down a job and has no money? Watch as Yuuna becomes more and more abusive as her crumbling mental state deteriorates further? Did Asahi think that if he just got the three of them together all of their problems would be solved?
Meanwhile Satou not only provides Shio with shelter, hot meals and a bed, even being willing to work multiple shitty jobs as a high school student to do so, but also gives her the genuine love and affection that she had been starving for. Yuuna would probably want Shio to stay with Satou if they'd ever met. Satou is the only person who can take care of Shio, and Shio knows it, which is why Shio chooses Satou.
Because Satou turned out just fine when that happened, right?
Besides, Yuuna's family is dead. Shio would be tossed into the foster care system, which means she may as well just get tossed back into the streets.
>Furthermore, Satou later realizes she was wrong to be so overly protective of Shio which is part of her character development and the development of their relationship in one of the pivotal moments in the story.
Which moment is that?
She died because she couldn't let Shio see anybody.
>anime moralfags will never understand
We don't know if Shio has relatives that are nymphomaniac psychos like Auntie. And this isn't the streets of Chicago, all things considered foster care is most likely better in Japan.
Episode 10 of the anime (Chapters 26-27 of the manga) where Shio becomes angry at Satou for being overly protective and Satou comes clean about all the things she's done to protect their lifestyle, like killing Shoko.
>So what exactly was Asahi's plan if he got Shio back? Run from the police together? Sleep in alleyways because Yuuna can't hold down a job and has no money? Watch as Yuuna becomes more and more abusive as her crumbling mental state deteriorates further? Did Asahi think that if he just got the three of them together all of their problems would be solved?
Why the fuck would Yuuna turn more abusive?
Fuck. you are so stupid.
I'm going to assume you're a different person from , ,
, , and Legally speaking, you are correct. However, the debate isn't about the law, it's about the justification for the character's actions.
The time after Shoko is killed when Shio begs Satou to stop trying so hard to be her protector and to treat her as an equal. It's a very important part of the story so I'm surprised you don't remember it. I'm pretty sure it takes up most of the episode (10?).
Shio has no concept of life, killing someone, morals or anything.
All she has learned was from the fucked up mind of Satou and her mentally unstable mother.
Yuuna's parents and Shio's paternal grandfather are all dead. There isn't any other extended family mentioned.Because the stress of their living situation and her horrible life has broken her emotionally, and getting Shio back is not going to magically make things better. Yuuna had been exposed to so much abuse that abuse is ultimately the only thing she knows. Her realizing this is why she decides to abandon Shio (and why she decides to kill her husband)
Shio understands that even if someone does evil things, that person can still do good things and make you happy. It's actually a rather adult mindset to have, instead of looking at the world through a black-and-white lens.
It's not like Satou's been wandering around killing random people in the street. She just wants her and Shio to be left alone.
One of the special Yea Forums threads where there is proper discussion.
>Because the stress of their living situation and her horrible life has broken her emotionally, and getting Shio back is not going to magically make things better. Yuuna had been exposed to so much abuse that abuse is ultimately the only thing she knows. Her realizing this is why she decides to abandon Shio (and why she decides to kill her husband)
See Asahi explanation to Shio.
>Shio understands that even if someone does evil things, that person can still do good things and make you happy. It's actually a rather adult mindset to have, instead of looking at the world through a black-and-white lens.
That makes no fucking sense.
Shio turned into selfish bitch like Satou.
Satou didn't care for anyone but Shio, killed her best friend for nothing. She even felt remorse but it was too late. Should have done the right thing instead of running.
Hida cured and told Asahi he would find the light.
Where is Asahi's light?
Asahi only explained to Shio that Yuuna hadn't abandoned Shio because she didn't need her, but because she didn't want Shio to live with another abusive parent. That doesn't change what happened, and it doesn't make Yuuna a better parent.
I guess Shio is "selfish" for choosing her own happiness over Asahi's when Asahi's happiness would mean her own misery, but is that really such a bad thing? Why is it wrong for Shio to be happy?
Asahi's like was Shoko, but he didn't realize it until it was too late.
>That makes no fucking sense.
It makes plenty of sense and your complete unwillingness to accept this is extremely nonsensical.
So did Satou want to fuck Shio?
There's the cock, and one level above that is Aunty
>It makes plenty of sense and your complete unwillingness to accept this is extremely nonsensical.
No, it makes no sense since Shio is a 5 years old that understands nothing.
She has no coceipt of morals. If she had a adult mindset, she would never live with Shouko in first place.
She was just used. Then, when Satou felt into depression, she was just there to be her servant.
Do you have to do this every fucking thread?
Shio is definitely older than five. Shio is something like three years younger than Asahi, and Asahi is middle-school age, so Shio is probably somewhere between nine to eleven.
>Asahi's like was Shoko, but he didn't realize it until it was too late.
Asahi's light wasn't Hida since she said he still would FIND the light at the end of the tunnel.
I think he is just an ESL that got really mad that his self insert didn't fuck his waifu.
What do you mean?
Also, samefag.
>It's actually a rather adult mindset to have, instead of looking at the world through a black-and-white lens.
Wrong as fuck, Shio has literally the complete opposite. To use your example, Shio is looking at only side of a black and white lens, she completely ignores all the evil Satou has done out of her sick obsession. I don't even remember her addressing it, one has to even wonder if Shio was able to comprehend what killing another person meant when Satou told her because there was never any indication that she did.
That other guy is right it is just Shio being a selfish bitch same as Satou. What Shio has is the complete opposite of an adult mindset. It's children who can't see outside of the perspective of their own.
>Because Satou is nice to me, she's free to do as much wrong to the outside world as she pleases. If it doesn't affect me, it doesn't matter.
She doesn't ignore that Satou has killed someone, she accepts that Satou did it for her happiness. And it's not just that Satou is "nice" to her, Satou literally takes care of her, physically and emotionally, feeds her and provides her with shelter. She isn't just some nice neighborhood onee-san, it's a matter of both of their survival.
The black and white perspective is
>Satou killed people so she should lose Shio because Satou is evil
>Shio doesn't hate Satou for killing people so that obviously makes her evil too
Shoko was Asahi's light. You could see it in his eyes during that scene and you could see it in his eyes when he finds her dead. He just wasn't able to realize it because his obsession with finding Shio blinded him to everything else.
Shoko probably didn't realize it either when she was telling him this. She was just trying to be a good friend for him because that's the kind of person she is or was i guess lmao. She is to Asahi what Satou is to Shio. Shoko is the only person who is able to give him the emotional support he needs. Unlike Satou and Shio though, their relationship doesn't get a chance to develop far enough for them to realize it because of Asahi's obsession with "saving" Shio and Shoko's obsession with "saving" Satou.
It's not a matter of life and death though, all Satou had to do was go the police. You can claim that Shio would have gotten killed in the foster care system or whatever all you want but there was no evidence that that was how things would have turned out. Satou did what she did out of obsession and selfishness and without thought for the consequences. It really doesnt take a genius to tell you that taking an abandoned small child to child protective services and having everything explained would turn out better than having to constantly sidestep and tiptoe and murdering everyone that comes across you and your illegal captive child scenario. They're not living in some lawless land, which is proven when everything comes down to Satou having to commit a double suicide with Shio all because everyy decision she made from the very beginning was wrong.
It was just plain poor decision making born out of a weird obsession and selfishness towards fufilling that obsession.
Do you really think that Shio would've had a better life stuck in the foster care system than the one she had with Satou? You're too focused on the letter of the law and not on what was best for Satou and Shio.
Explaining their situation to CPS probably would've still gotten Satou arrested, because she has no way to prove that she killed her neighbor to save Shio's life. As it is, both Satou and Shio are happy with their situation, and it's not even as if Satou actually kidnapped Shio in anything but semantics. Even after becoming fully aware of the circumstances of their situation, Shio still chooses to be with Satou.
Also Satou would have probably gotten away with everything if she and Shio hadn't gone back for her ring, which cements the idea that killing Shoko was Satou's point of no return. Happy Sugar Life is a tragedy in the classical sense.
Again, legally speaking that's right. But morally, there is nothing wrong with wanting to take care of an abandoned child yourself rather than just writing them off to whatever social services might happen to do with her.
Not to mention that Satou literally saved Shio from being strangled by some asshole
This, no matter how much an argument is brought up that Shio is "happier" with Satou than being anywhere else, and I don't disagree with the statement, it's simply not what's best for her in the end. Nobody's seriously delusional enough to believe a single teenage female, who is herself deranged and plagued with abandonment and anxiety issues, has the resources and full ability to raise a kid properly no matter how much she "loves" Shio.
You can't just rely on a kid to say they're "happy" in a drastic matter as life-impacting as child custody. Sure they can be made to explain how they're being abused, but what the law, imperfect as it may be, precedents is ultimately what's best for her. You tellin' me Satou can somehow feed that kid, raise her to become a proper lady, and educate her with a part-time job at a family restaurant? Satou is a sick fuck who's indulging in the child, albeit not sexually, but for her own emotional gain.
Satou was doing a good enough job providing for the two of them. She was doing a good enough job that she had a pretty sizeable amount of savings. She does better than most adult single moms in real life do.
Meanwhile Yuuna can't even hold a shitty convenience store job and Asahi is a homeless kid.
Satou has proved that she can provide for Shio, though. She did so for months.
I get that she can keep Shio alive, probably even better than her old mom can, but "provide" doesn't mean "raise." She needs to interact with other human beings her age, not because her life depends on it, but because that's simply what it means to be human.
While interaction is necessary for social development, Shio is already pretty scarred from life with her parents. It would be more important for her development to have a loving caregiver to develop the necessary emotional support before she can move on to daily social interactions with others.
While interacting with only Satou probably wasn't the ideal situation for Shio, it was far better than any reasonably possible alternative.
Also, it's worth it to note that the only reason she was isolated from others was to prevent anyone from reporting Satou and separating the two. Had Satou's plan for them to leave town worked, that would no longer be necessary and, as implied by the montage while they're falling together, they likely would have spent lots of time in the outside world together.
When you have to kill several people to protect that way of life on a very crappy "maybe" it does become morally wrong. Satou had multiple opportunities to do the right thing since the beginning but chose not to. Unfortunately, they don't live in a bubble in which Satou and Shio are the only two people that exists.
Satou and Shio weren't getting out of the country on someone elses passports either.
>Even after becoming fully aware of the circumstances of their situation, Shio still chooses to be with Satou.
Shio is either below the age of reason or just above, to take what she says as complete fact in a matter like this is dumb. Children are very easily manipulated, and even without that they aren't experienced enough or just plain smart enough to know whats best all the time. There's a reason children aren't allowed to consent to sex.
And to answer your first question, yes I think that not only Shio would have had a better life in the long run not being held captive by a teenage murderer, but Shoko would have had a better life as well, along with Asahi, and even Satou as well.
Like I said before, it doesnt take a genius to realize that Satou's way of life could only be temporary. After all she's already pushing her luck hard that no one questioned the fact that the painter disappeared. Then Shio gets out, and once again, Satou is just plain lucky that the first person Shio meets is fucking Taiyou and not someone of sound mind. The whole show is just Satou pushing her luck playing russian roulette until boom the cylinder inevitably lands on the chamber with the bullet. Being a good caretaker doenst only amount to having money, but also not living a life in a way such that you might have to end up jumping off an apartment complex with your child to avoid the police.
Also I meant to point out that love and belongingness take up the same section of the triangle as friendships. For personal and emotional development, regular interaction with many different people is not necessary it's only a bonus. Interacting with society leads to social development, which certainly takes a backseat to healing the emotional trauma Shio has from her real family.
well that was a good thread just gonna post this auntie and let it die good night happy sugar bros you are all men of culture
People tend to forget that Satou and Shio live in a society where teachers and shopkeepers are pedophiles, gang violence runs rampant, crime goes unreported, police have sex with persons under investigation, and any random person can be a murderer. Even Asahi has no faith in local authorities, and it's quite evident such a perspective is justified.
sugar chan is so pretty!
How can one loli cause so much trouble.
Shio is quite obviously a succubus or siren, or something similar.
Not to go all GANG WEED on you but isn't it just based on our world?
Our world isn't entirely Compton.
I mean you could say the same thing about Satou. Her plan to run away was short sighted at best, and when she crosses overseas to live her happy life with Shio there are a ton of unknowns that she hasn't even accounted for. And considering how easy it was for the police to identify Shouko's body even after the room burnt down, it probably would have bought Satou maybe a few weeks at best playing house before flying back home and facing authority.
I will admit she did keep Shio stable for a good few months, but those few months were also filled with near misses, having to rely on the gullibility and vulnerability of people, and some good god damn luck to be able to keep a whole extra room and hide a corpse inside. Basically everything was in her favor, and the second something was out of her control she could barely keep it in check.
yeah he was implying that the world sucks, and tokyo is definitely better than compton no matter how many psychos live there
Either way, just like stand users, weirdos attract other weirdos, so someone like Shio, being the demonic presence she is, is destined to meet fucked up people all her life. The whole conversation had ITT didn't really end up going anywhere as a result.