What's your opinion on designated loser characters in romance anime and manga?

On the upside for Sayaka, she won't have to deal with whatever Touko drama is next, that Yuu is going to have to sort her way through.

I want to laugh at her but honestly she breaks my heart. She needs a girlfriend. Who should it be?

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Should be built up strong so the person meant to win looks good by besting a truly worthy opponent who felt like they actually stood a chance of victory. Too much romance makes the designate winner a mary sue with tacked on issues for cheap sympathy points, while the designated losers are the underdogs who never stood a real chance and may garner actual raw love and sympathy from the audience.

Brown tomboys

Fuck you for reminding me of this letdown.

>short hair
>big tits
>tomboy
>childhood friend
>is madly in love with the MC
>still fucking loses

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Those are all death flags m8

Am I a crazy person or are girls named Sayaka always the worst girl of their respective series?

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Yes you are crazy. Girls named Sayaka are always the best.

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>Should be built up strong so the person meant to win looks good by besting a truly worthy opponent who felt like they actually stood a chance of victory.
Damn, should add that the designated winners should struggle and earn their victory because of a strong implication is that they will lose if they don't.

Pic unrelated I assume?

No, you just have shit taste.
Based

Yuuchads.... we fucking won

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Raws if you want them
>imgur.com/a/42gPXkr

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it's terrible. authors should just write straight up romance if all they were after is wanking their waifu. if there's more than one girl in the picture, at least try to make it into a real competition. of course, japs are hacks and seem to believe that if they break their cliches, the world will end or some shit, so that never happens. god, i'm so mad.

shes talking about yuu's vagina. she has had her fist in it plenty of times

>designated winner becomes the designated loser

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This was a really stupid case. There aren't a lot of good reasons for a person to throw away their victory like that. Characters just bend over for Kirino.

It's an opportunity for them to find someone better than the shitty main love interest.

Not to be that guy, but it was literally in the title of the series.

And that entails retarded writing?

It'd be fine if they went off somewhere to pump out incest babies but they don't. Everyone was the loser in that show.

Depends on the work.

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I actually like Souma and how he gave Himeko and Chikane a few moments together while he saved the world.

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I only like itbecause the rare times they actually win it's so much sweeter.

The only thing worse than a designated loser is a designated winner (assuming there is more than one love interest). So much anime relies on these tired old cliches and plot developments. It's a wonder anyone can bear to read more than one series of any given genre. They're all so samey.

Ironic that you should complain about all series being same in a thread about one boldly different from the others. Yagakimi was never meant to be super bowl, but a story about emotional growth.

Why would you expect logic from a contrarian brainlet?

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it worked out in sakura sou
and childhood friend is usually a good sign

Can be funny sometimes.

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She wouldn't have lost had she pursued Yuu instead.

Where is ack? He hasn't posted on a while. It's so boring without him

Why do you always do this? Do you have mental problems?

Ayano and Anne don't belong in there. Maybe Perrine, too.

I'm pretty sure Maki kun will find her a new girlfriend for entertainment value

>Imagine being this cuck
Should've won the bowl but since Touko is mentally ill I guess she just prefers tomboys

I hate it, especially when they refuce to actually let the losing girls move on, they'll always be there alone with a sad smile as the two love birds are ignoring everything around them to get lost in each other's presence and eyes. It's even worse when the girl won't take a hint and becomes an antagonist for it.

I like it, they tend to be the best girls.

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Oh shit, new chapter's out. Thanks for the reminder.

Nearly 20 years later and I'm still pretty mad.

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Will never understand it. I've never rooted for underdog characters because they're always established after the main characters, they're just devices for drama.

I'm so fucking mad right now.

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She's just coping with losing

She'll get the crying girl in uni

FLY ME TO THE BOTTOM OF HELL

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Mai actually got a runner-up prize though which is rare. The series does make constant gags about Hiyori NTRing Mai but they staple Sayaka to her ass via cookie addiction pretty quickly after the fact anyway.

consolation prize is worthless

Why Hinata though

user, I...

How can Sayaka be a loser if she's the most lovely character in her manga?
She's also not a virgin like the MCs too.

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This one hurt pretty badly.

Poor Sayaka

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Who did she fuck?

Aoi is for Honoka

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>that entire picture
over 10 years of ouch

Matsuri doesn't really belong there

Yuu

Matsuri gets to have best girl, though.

Class S senpai of course.
They were girlfriends for a while, there is no way she didn't fuck such a cute girl like jc Sayaka.

Sayaka is a refined lady. She wouldn't do something obscene like engage in premarital sex.
Take your perverted sex fantasies somewhere else, user.

If you go by the usual standard that most anime/manga romances only really get resolved, or fully manifested at the end, then any love triangle is fundamentally a series-long filler arc. Romance for a lot of series, especially stuff like action shounen manga, literally just exists to pad out pages and character interactions because more people are interested into rooting for a girl(or guy, as it were for shoujo stuff) to win than actually seeing people in a relationship. People like playing the game, people don't really care about the CONGRATULATIONS screen at the end of the game.
Beyond that, for a lot of romance manga you're basically looking at a girl getting anguished over your generic self-insert with the qualities of
>bathes and brushes his teeth daily
>probably doesn't scream random racial slurs at strangers on the internet
I mean, I get it, I was a horny teenager once too and I've been rejected and dumped a number of times but damn, girl, save that energy for someone worth it.

Really, it's just annoying to see the cast get filled out with characters whose most important contribution to the cast dynamic is "in love with MC because she has to be" and then just rinse and repeat until you get a light novel/harem series.

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Childhood friends never win.

At least this Sayaka got a girlfriend.

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Can certainly work, but there needs to be an idea for what you want to do with them. Otherwise if they end up just loosing with nothing gained out of the whole ordeal, it just feels mean and anticlimactic. It can definitely add a lot to the conflict, though.
Imagine loosing to your lovers right hand. She really deserved better.
Oddly, I've noticed this is only if the MC remembers that childhood friend. If she's a childhood friend the MC once was really close with but then forgot about for some reason, or who is unrecognizable, then her chances skyrocket and she's nearly guaranteed victory.

>I want to laugh at her but honestly she breaks my heart
Considering I wasn't that fond of her for a lot of the series it was surprising how much that confession chapter depressed me.

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>In a series where the title actually says it's about the little sister.
>Designated winner.

I have no sympathy for Kuronekofags. The show laid out exactly what was going to go down from the fucking title onward.

The title doesn't change the fact that she was a cunt and shouldn't have won.

It is not a victory unless someone loses.

>Liking someone who isn't the student council president in a series named after her.
MORON

As long as the story never even pretends its giving them a fair chance, because otherwise it is just frustrating to see

Out of the 6 or so manga she did, only the biggest tits won in one. She also was the main girl and first girl.

This image is missing so many yaya's.

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That's just how it is, the loser is needed to tell the story.

If there is to be some conflict, there has to be someone who wants the same thing.
It has to be shown that the target character is "desired", because someone wants her.
If only two characters would be interested in each other, everything would be taken for granted. There have to be other options to have a worthwile story.
And love stories are about finding something that changes your life and gives it new meaning. Something has to change, so there has to be an old status quo. In this sense, the loser is kind of the same as the "designated friend" characters.

It can turn out nicely if the loser gets to find someone for themselves in a believable way.

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Wall of shame.

You could like a character who isn't the main character because they are good? Its not a unique concept.

I don't read the story for the winner, I read the story if there is a character I like and it is in a manga/anime package I enjoy.

Do you think she had a chance if she played her cards right?

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It depends. In Sayaka's case, she wasn't a good match for Touko, and only really liked her for the looks. She knew Touko wasn't happy but didn't care to do anything until Yuu showed up then promptly started acting all haughty. She deserves to be a loser.

In Citrus for example, I think Sara is a better match for Mei than Yuzu. The two complement each other perfectly. It's a shame but there's really no point in shipping when the end result is obvious from the start.

>Tomoyo
someone post the webm

>Ayano
NTRfags should be purged

Yes. I think that was implied in the chapter that Touko decided on Yuu. She simply waited too long, and before she made a move Touko got someone who was right for her, at the right time.

Why isn't the OG Yaya here? She's the reason the meme exist, and don't trow any "but she get's someone later" bullshit.

>all this shit
High row hurts like a fucking truck, low row not too much. Still mad and I will never not be.

NTR is Bakkin Buckingham.

I want an alternate world spinoff

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>If she's a childhood friend the MC once was really close with but then forgot about for some reason, or who is unrecognizable, then her chances skyrocket and she's nearly guaranteed victory.
Unfortunately, the correlation between those kinds of girls and the traits that normally make childhood friends desirable is extremely negative.