Is it just me or does she really not deserve a happy ending?

I think she deserved some sort of happy ending, but I'm not sure if Shirou should have survived. Nasu isn't above contrived scenarios, but it really does seem like Shirou wasn't supposed to survive. When he killed Saber, I thought, "He really can't go back from this". It's not the act of killing Saber that condemns him, but what that act means to Shirou. Even if the entire world forgave Shirou, he'd never be able to forgive himself. I didn't blame Shirou for killing Saber because that's the only path he could have taken, but it seemed to me that Shirou killing Saber should have greater consequences.

Maybe I'm just overthinking this, but there are certain characters that Shirou shouldn't be allowed to kill without there being disastrous consequences for himself, those characters being Saber, Rin, Sakura, Ilya, Taiga. It seems to me that the moment Shirou kills any of those characters with his own hands, it's no different from stabbing his own heart. You can't stab your own heart without consequence, whether physically or metaphorically. When Shirou stabbed Saber, he stabbed himself. The fact that he ends up okay despite all that felt strange to me.

Villains are the best waifus though.

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Really wish we could've chosen to save Saber instead of Sakura.

Those tiddies are a miracle.

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but she has giant tits

they bring me life

Come on Saber
I WANT YOU

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I would betray my ideals for those milkers.

Rhinocucks eternally salty

lol living rent free in your head wormslut faggot

Saberfag here. I don't like wormslut either.

He dies in the normal end though, and only survives in true because of Illya onee-chan.

Saberfags eternally seething

this is why Normal is a better ending to HF than true and so is Sparks Liner High

rent free

year old deserves every worm in her cunt

Spoken like a true pedophile.

I want Normal Ending
Because I Want See Granny Version of Sakura
and Rin's GrandDaughter

But user, I have no reason to seethe.

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She is Shirou's girl, you can think what you want but he wanted to give her a happy ending and that's that; desert doesn't even factor in really, she didn't deserve all the shit she went through either. All things considered, I'd say she was sympathetic enough to warrant one.

Heck now i think about it, the current Meiho-sou event (written by Nasu) in FGO kinda reminds me of HF True Ending and Normal Ending that the final ending is always "a story with romance" aka the original author's vision (what they genuinely want to write). Both HF True End and Meiho-sou's "True End" are beautiful and heartwarming for me, though i would like to see Normal End getting animated for HF3 BD since i'm also a fan of bittersweet ending.

You're posting just the movie, which indicates that you're talking about it just from the movie viewer position. But honestly that sounds retarded as hell.

>Girl who tries to put on a perfect facade to hide all the abuse she goes through since she doesn't want people close to her to know how badly broken she is, because she was traumatized from a young age with the death of Kariya to be shown that "This is what happens when you seek help or try to go against Zouken, you die, and Zouken kills the one who helped you in front of you"
>She's basically living dead while experiencing no emotions in life since that's the only way she can stay sane during all the torture, she's basically Kohaku
>The only exception to this is when she's with Shirou
>Literally didn't do anything by her own will
>Nasu says that he went out of the way to try to make it obvious she was a victim and not a villain
>Because Zouken tortured her for ten years and stuffed the cursed grail that had Angra Manyu inside of it into her ten years ago, she's connected to all the evils in the world
>She doesn't control the shadow at all, the shadow just feeds off her latent ego when she's asleep. Even in the movie during the dream sequence they make it obvious she can't control anything and its just taking her for a ride.
>As HF goes along you see her think bad thoughts, and think suddenly bad things, like the scene where she thinks that Shirou wouldn't be put in danger if he was crippled. She immediately regrets this thought. It isn't meant to say she's a bad person, its meant to show her negative feelings after ten years of repressing literally all her feelings are spilling out and she can't even acknowledge her own bad thoughts. Because she can't acknowledge them, they spill out worse and worse because she doesn't accept them as being there, kinda like Arjuna.
>When she finds out about Shadow she tries to end things herself, even if she fucked it all up.

OP here. I’ve played the VN and actually found her to be even less sympathetic in it.

>When Sakura found out about shadow, she fused with it. Ilya says later that this action was also done to stop the random killings in town. Because Sakura is now conscious of Angra she can direct it, she's accepted it as part of herself. It can no longer randomly lash out without her knowing in her sleep. The random killings stopped. The only ones who died from that point on were villains; Shinji, Zouken, and Kotomine
>Even though Shinji was in the middle of trying to rape her, and it was rape and shown to be rape and she hated it for people that shitpost otherwise. She didn't mean to kill him, that was her breaking point. She couldn't stay sane anymore unless she "pretended she was a monster" which is what allowed her to fuse with shadow, the reason Shadow wasn't meshing with her and she felt sick up until that point is because she was still acting as a human and not accepting it fully subconsciously
>The line "You're not out of your mind" that Kotomine says later is OFTEN taken out of context badly by anti-fags who never read the route. In reality he's not saying that she was controlling shadow all along like people claim, he's saying that Sakura after becoiming Dark Sakura, for all of five minutes tries putting on a haughty evil facade, which is first shown in that same scene. Before Kotomine dismantles it going "You aren't another personality, you're still Sakura". Anyone who actually read that scene couldn't possibly mistake what it means since the narrative goes through the "Is she another personality, she's acting different" right before the moment when Kotomine calls it out. Kotomine wsa talking about something going on ONLY in that scene.

>Thinking the VN is at all relevant in 2019
>Implying that anyone, even Nasu himself, takes that epilogue seriously

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or to summarize
You have a girl who was tortured and traumatized for years, wasn't able to express her own emotions, when she finally did have a crack in her facade some darkness spilled out which she couldn't deal with since she wasn't used to having emotions anymore, however that darkness didn't mean she was evil, just human. Sometimes victims have trouble becoming the monsters they feared growing up as well, there's a bit of that symbolism. But at the end she rejects it all, when her sister tells her that she loves her and Sakura finally accepts herself and chooses to be human again.

She had nothing to do with the killings in town, that was Angra in the womb simply seeking food within town. At three points in the novel Zouken and Kotomine say that Sakura had no control of Shadow's actions in her sleep. As soon as she did have any control the killings stopped. HF is about the concept of an innocent monster, a monster who births evil not out of any malice or evil from its actions, but because it exists. However within the core of that is still a victim that needs saving as well. This is a concept seem a lot in TM. Such as Akiha at the end of Kohaku route, Sacchin, Kohaku herself, any of the Alter Egos, or almost any monster character in TM.

>implying Nasu himself doesn't favor Saber over everyone else

>used goods
>innocent

Nah. You mean Takeuchi (he also said he liked Saber but wanted to get married with Mashu or something, i don't really remember). Takeuchi is also the reason why Last Episode exists.
From what i remember then Nasu's most favorite route is HF while his most favorite girl in FSN is Rin. For other Typemoon works, he likes Arcueid, Aoko, Tamamo and Medb.

It's Takeuchi who's the Saber fag. Nasu doesn't seem to care one way or another for her.

This is Nasu's favourite.

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>Nasu likes Arc and Aoko.
Say what you will about Nasu, but the man has some great taste

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She derailed and shit on Shirou's entire dream while the other routes challenged it and molded it into a healthier form.

It's hard to imagine why the character has been pushed as much as she has otherwise

>FSN and Zero both beat the viewer over the head with the idea that these ideals are destructive and only make the people who hold them miserable
>people are still complaining about Shirou abandoning them and living a happy life instead of becoming a martyr for no reason

Reminds me of the people who read Watchmen and thought that the message of the series was that Rorschach is a role model instead of a lunatic.

Shirou's ideals have always been impossible to uphold and people have told Shirou that all along in the VN. HF is simply the route where he doesn't have a convenient way to uphold them and is forced in a true catch 22 situation. Shirou prioritizing the life of one person isn't upholding his ideal, but him sacrificing an innocent for the greater good is a betrayal of his ideal. That is why Kotomine tells him that he became Kiritsugu, since in MOS he's just killing people in the name of the greater good.

Also Shirou's ideals weren't challenged in Fate. In UBW he was forced to admit that his ideals were unattainable but he still pursued them. And in both cases Shirou would live a short life as he'd end up killing himself for those ideals.

Speaking of Shirou's ideal in HF, i always see it like in this route, Shirou managed to put the "Seigi no Mikata" from Kiritsugu aside (though it's an extremely difficult time for him) and finally found his own ideal: to be the hero of the person who he loves aka Sakura. Shirou never destroyed his ideal in HF, he just found a new ideal by his own (not the ideal from his dad anymore) and followed it until the very end.

In Fate, it wasn't just a borrowed ideal anymore. It was the ideal that he shared with the girl he loved.

Shirou still tried to save others, he simply prioritized saving the woman he loved. If he had only cared about Sakura then he could have simply stayed in his house with her instead of going to fight other enemies.

Saber was much more practical than Shirou. Her backstory says that she'd starve her own villages to deny resources to her enemies. It's one of the reasons her people turned against her.

No, she used up a small village's resources so that she could drive back the enemy, because if they couldn't, they'd ravage the kingdom and conquer everything which isn't what Britain wanted. It's basically the same thing as what Archer would do during his seigi no mikata escapades. See? Because parallels?

And Saber was generally a good king. The reason things didn't work out was because her sister was a bitch, her kid was a bitch and her people were fickle. She did the best she could for what was essentially a kingdom slowly dying from cancer, and people were upset because she wasn't doing BETTER. Nasu's narrative points out repeatedly that no one could have done any better.

Just you

She does deserve a happy edning after everything she's been through but Rider should've never been allowed to stay it was stupid as hell same with Saber staying in Good end of UBW. How can humans be enough to keep a servant around when it was stated the Holy grail helps with that? Shirou should've also lost his magic circuits or something as a sacrifice. Normal end is too depressing but true ending is too contrived and happy.

Wasn't Sakura literally the Grail vessel during HF?

Losing his circuits wouldn't have been a sacrifice because he doesn't particularly value them. Shirou spent ten eight years not knowing he had any circuits. He doesn't care if he loses them.

Also, two things. 1) Ilya was contracted to Berserker a while before the Grail War started. In Germany, far, far away from the Grail in Japan. It caused her pain, but she was able to sustain that. 2) Sakura, as of HF, has a virtually limitless amount of prana. This is the case even after the Grail War's over.

Kill yourself.

I for the life of me cannot figure out why people hate this girl so much.

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Who has sex with their shirt on?

I agree Rider staying around is stupid, but it makes enough sense within the story.

Autistic moralfags

Because Rin and Saber are better.

Only Saber is better.

Rin does nothing but help and support Shirou as well as treat him as an equal while Sakura is a burden at best.

Saber and Rin are both really flawed,yet strong and most importantly unique characters. Nasu went out of his to make Sakura a dindu nuffin, making a cute loli and then gave her a cartoonishly terrible and edgy backstory to make people feel bad for her and to make it so that Sakura can not reasonably blamed for anything opting for corruption bs and such. Especially Shirou throwing away his ideals for such a cheap trope feels unsatisfying

she is for people who want a big boobie, submissive doormate over everything, but do not want to feel bad about being shallow and therefore cite muh edge

shitaya voices my waifu, so I have no choice but to accept sakura

She has no growth or development. In fact she can’t even grow until the very end and in the epilogue.
But if Shirou dies she literally doesn’t grow as a person at all.

Rider won the war, it only makes sense the grail (sakura) can support her.

Because Sakura is still connected to the other side and has excess mana.

this. Sakura gets a pretty raw deal and stays surprisingly good natured despite it all.

>tries to kill everyone
>murders innocents
>easily snaps and mentally tortures rin
>good natured

Now three examples that aren't due to the influence of AM please.

Rin deserved it though.

She controlled the shadow
And dark sakura is 100% sakura

She really get a lot of it raw, with anyone.

You don't need to take off your shirt to gain access to sex parts.

>Shinji, Kotomine, Zouken and True Assassin
>innocent

>literally shown to be unable to fight back against Gilgamesh after he wakes her up, then right after he renders her unconscious, it activates again
>s-she controls it!

She could’ve killed shirou in the park. She didn’t. And in fact she went for Rin instead of archer who was a far greater threat.

*Angra Mainyu could’ve
But Sakura happened to wake up first.

everyone does it occasionally, is convenient and sometimes you want to fuck as lazy and gross as possible

What an amazing series of coincidences then. And why did the shadow target Rin?

>return the plaque

>Saber and Rin are both really flawed,yet strong and most importantly unique characters.
Not sure about that.

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Because Angra Mainyu kills people. Simple as that.

So he targets Rin instead of any of the others? Okay then

She deserves a happy ending, just like everyone else.

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Rin was asking for it, acting like a bitch.

Isn't a notable point of the route that Shirou abandons his heroic ideals for one girl, despite her flaws? Love isn't always rational.

Who care about Rin, user?

Endings aren’t always rational either.
Shirou should’ve died if Sakura lived (as in the normal end) or Sakura should’ve died as atonement for her sins.

Yes. I mean, I want Medea to have a happy ending. So why not somebody like Sakura?

No. I'm fine with True End. Illya's sacrifice is one of the best things in the route. I was already expecting her to die after the infodump about Angra Mainyu and the Third Magic.

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>Illya's sacrifice is one of the best things in the route
Disgusting.

>her sins
Killing four villains?

Unfortunately we don't have a Medea route. I would like to see Medea happy too. But at least i'm glad that Sakura is happy in True End.

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Repeating the same myth over and over doesn’t make it true.

No!

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Villains Saber defeats in her route:
>Rider
>Berserker
>Gilgamesh

Villains Rin defeats in her route:
>

Villains Sakura defeats in her route:
>Shinji
>Kotomine
>Zouken
>True Assassin

If anyone deserved a happily ever after it was illya desu

I felt bad when True Assassin died, Sakura was savage af.

You’re right, that’s why she’s innocent no matter how much you shitpost.

Keep telling yourself that wormfag

Actual best girl

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>Illya's sacrifice is one of the best things in the route
This. Illya is truly the best sister in Fate.

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>Nasu outright says that Sakura was a victim rather than a villain in an interview
>n-no, she was evil!

The best onee-san!

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>legally onee-san to Shirou
>spiritual onee-san to Sakura due to sharing role and fate
And she shipped them hard in HF.

Yeah. I really wanted these three to live together in the end.

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I would also love a Medea route. Doesn't even need to be romantic in nature, just something where she gets the ending the poor girl deserves.

Well, I guess she gets a pretty happy ending in Carnival Phantasm and Fate/hollow ataraxia. So, at least we have that.

Pretty much. The cutest tombody in Fate history.

Medea is a trainwreck who jumps on the first cock who treats her nicely, nevermind she's an insane jealous bitch who killed her kids.

*notices senpai's buldge*

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Medea is a troubled girl. But I don't think she's beyond redemption. She just needs a man that actually cares about her and doesn't treat her like absolute dirt.

And she found Soichiro in FSN, managed to have a short-lived but meaningful romance and more often than not managed to die trying to protect him.

Yes. I guess it's... kind of a happy ending if you look at it like this. I still wish the two would live long enough to settle down somewhere.

>>Shinji
Are you seriously putting a muggle on this list?

>Villains Rin defeats in her route:
Doesn't Medea count?

who is your waifu?

God damn this is cute

No, Archer is the one who defeats her after Rin and Shirou end up jobbing to Caster and Kuzuki yet again.

So you are a sociopath?
I can understand preferring other girls but saying she doesn't deserve any sympathy makes no sense.

She deserved worse, for all that happened to Kariya

>her sins
What sins?

>he chooses to save her of his own volition
>ends up dying right in front of her and traumatizing her
Exactly how is any of that her fault?

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Where's my HF3.

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No she didn't, she liked his dream

It's shirou that gave up on his dream due to autism. However if you think hero of justice was actually a good thing then you missed the point of the game. HF was the only route with any hope for Shirou.

It's not killing people for the greater good, it's just killing by the numbers. Always pick the smaller number. However the second shirou does this, his ideal is already dead.

Something fags don't get is that shirous ideal was dead no matter what he did in HF. Ilya tells him that he's going to be lying to himself forever if he picked MoS. His heart was dead, he saved nothing, and he just left behind a mountain of corpses. His ideal was "save everyone", the instant he becomes executioner he loses sight of that idea. His ideal isn't "save the bigger number"

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Shirou's ideal is impossible to uphold in HF and MoS Shirou is abandoning his ideal. It's pretty ironic to see MoS fans claim that they like that ending because Shirou is following his ideal, as it only serves to prove that these people have no idea what Shirou's ideal was.

correct, she does deserve to get infested with worms in her cunny again.
just, disgusting

Shipping fags and waifufaggots are the worst. Completely incapable of objectively judging a character simply because they are "competing" with their favorite pairing.