Isekai is trash

>Overlord
lol nice bait

SAO isn't isekai.
>change my mind
Why?

Damn fucking right.

With Grimgar I liked the last two translated ones, but overall the LN feels kind of directionless (the random earth backstories that always conclude with the character forgetting the whole thing in particular feel really pointless). I think the anime framed the story up to that point a lot better, and the music and watercolor backgrounds were great.
What I'm getting at here is I have a hard time imagining you didn't mix up the anime and LN in your list there

Grimgar LN was great up to volume 7, then it increasingly became more of a bore with each volume until volume 13, that was actually pretty cool.

>overbore
>good

The only modern-style isekai that have critical merit are Konosuba and Youjo Senki.

Why did you all fall for this 2/10 veiled rec thread?

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Are there any isekai with a female MC? It always seems to be a high schooler or middle age salary man who gets summoned to another world.

Lurk more.

>what is otome

Overlord is Japanese LOTR.

I meant isekai that's not porn

What do you have against isekai porn?

I can't tell if this is serious because I truly don't understand the preferences Overlord fans
There's one in this very thread

>isekai is trash
>the isekai most indicative of common isekai problems (Overlord) is good
Sorry, you lost me. The best isekai are
>Log Horizon
>Konosuba
>No Game No Life
>Youjo Senki
>Now And Then Here And There
>Alice in Wonderland

Megumin's spin off, if a non-isekai'd female in an isekai setting counts. She's pretty enjoyable as an MC.
mangadex.org/title/18962/kono-subarashii-sekai-ni-bakuen-wo
mangadex.org/title/23561/zoku-kono-subarashii-sekai-ni-bakuen-wo

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This is the worst take I've seen all month.

>Konosuba
>Good
pick one

Figure of speech

Lurk more.

Escaflowne you stupid fucking zoomer.

Youjo Senki was ok, Konosuba was forced comedy show for retards

Comparing edgy power level wank to LOTR is a spit in the face to Tolkien's master work. Overlord has zero critical merit and is pure unadulterated otaku trash through and through.

Best kind of otome. Sadly it doesn't exist.
Also gj baiting titles but I'm not giving you any.
Not all otome is porn-oriented.

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>I can't tell if this is serious

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didn't say Overlord was good, said it was decent. It went to shit after the first season

>No Game No Life
That show makes Yu-Gi-Oh look well planned in comparison.

>power wank
>200+ elves to kill one Balrog
>you need artifacts to get through Shelob nest
>[Mithril Chainmail +10]
>Sam shanking orcs like nothing at the end of journey
There's no powerlevel wank in Overlord because MC might is unquestionable.

>watching Overlord

EXTRA THICC MAGE-WARRIOR

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Overlord doesn't need to be an isekai since it would be a good story about awakening evil in its own right, the isekai factor is just to throw meta MMO references as a bonus
>Grimgar
don't even know what that is

>Overlord doesn't need to be an isekai
>Main conflict is salaryman wearing evil IQ500 lich mastermind persona
Get a load of this faggot.

Grimgar >>>>> Shield Hero>>>>>>>>> Konosuba

>slime
I STILL DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR PURE NIPPON GIRL LEGACY FUCK GET BACK TO SIM CITY ANTICS
>farm isekai
BASED NIGGA IMPREGNATING DRAGONS
>sword dad
ded novels but i the based manga will get to my favorite part of the super skeleton before all the dumb animal shit in the novels i never cared about.

>Not knowing the best isekai show

Pleb

This. It's criminal not to know Isekai Maou, the best isekai adaptation to date.

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I don't want to share my enjoyment of Grimgar with a mind like yours.
Also, y'all need to go read Ride-On King and Sword-Dad.

Was the brown demon always that busty?

Not before she started to work at a bakery store.

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>No mention of Mondaiji in 50 posts
What the fuck, Yea Forums. Actual best isekai with none of that boring harem shit.

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>Ride-On King and Sword-Dad.
I hate Putin but even I have to admit art, characters and worldbuilding are great in the former.
Latter has cute daughter so.

Literally cannot be enhoyed out of high school. You need to be over 18 years old to use this site.

Those are shit, play Eien no Aselia

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>77,9 inch
>virgin
>made for breeding

Ojou done right.

shield hero is complete garbage fuck outta here

You do realize everything posted in this thread are books aimed at 13 years olds right

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For the most part I found the anime enjoyable but underwhelming.
Tend to be unable to into LNs because the writing is usually terrible. Is this an exception?
Ride is all you said and just pure comedy as well, and Sword-Dad's daughteru is in contention for my OTD.

It is, but it's still better than Konosuba

Alice in wonderland

Mondaiji/Last Embryo novels are great if you can read japanese. Most of the translations are done by people who can't write english translating from chinese translations, so you'll have to read each line 3 times to understand what was said.

You do realize ranobe wouldn't sell in japan enough to warrant such massive industry, if that was true?
People grab that shit off the shelf to read on their way to their wageslave jobs.
That's why nips try to cram entire premise into the title: nobody got time to even read the intro.
This bullshit is teenage chuuni drama anyone older than 20 y/o can never ever relate to.

Does being isekai'd even matter in Grimgar? They got amnesia'd anyway so I don't see what's the point.

>they're great if you can read dead alien telepatic language
>trust me
Ching Chong to you too.

Whats Yea Forums's opinion of 12 kingdoms? I thoght it was a good watch desu

>Only speaking and writing one language

Brainlet

Tried to pick it up like four times, it doesn't capture interest fast enough not to drop it.

Grimgar was shit.

>Massive industry
>You can get to the rankings of weekly best sellers by a selling a grand total of two thousand copies

>implying !runes=EOP
>reddit spacing
Figured.

>what is variety

Reddit Bad Jew GOOD

How does that change anything? They can put out a lot of series because LN paper is dirt cheap. It doesn't change the fact that every other month you see volumes getting to the top 20 best selling volumes of that mouth without even breaking 10k sales. That's not a "massive" industry, it's as niche as it gets.

We're talking isekai novels or all light novels?

The best isekai was one from the 90's
The MC was from a lower social economical area of the US of A.
He spent most of his time grinding sport skills in the local arena.
But he was unjustly attacked by ne'er-do-wells.
Learning that he was attacked this his mother banished him from his homeland and forced him to live with his uncle and aunt in a magical relm called Bel Air.

>haha explosions
>Kazuma did something awful again and Aqua got shitfaced, what a riot
>Lalatina is being a horny slut, this is the best shit ever
even among gag novels Konosuba is low tier
>Like the dude doesn't give a shit about anyone in the new world
that's why he's constantly scouting for other players and world bosses that could shed some light on how everyone got isekai'd
>he can never lose
wrong
he can't lose to new world characters we've seen so far as long as it's 1v1 and he has prep time
he can lose to floor guardians without prep time and Rubedo would murder him
how much of a pleb do you have to be to limit character interaction to power wankery? he couldn't beat Clem in terms of martial arts, he can't beat Renner and Jirnciv in a battle of wits and he sure as hell can't match Cure Elim's level of autistic screeching

First part of post made me chuckle, but I do too think Konosuba is one of the best isekai out there and certainly a decent comedy.

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Based

>spoiler

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Yeah if you have the maturity of a 10 year old

Why would I be here otherwise?
You can stop denying yourself simple pleasures all you want. That just makes you look like an underage that doesn't drink his favorite juice at the table just because that would make him look "childish". Your loss poser.

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I was talking light novels in general. Can't say I know the specific demographics of the isekai genre. Can't be that much different for the published ones though or they'd sell even less, but webnovels might be a different matter.

I thought he got reincarnated with the 'SWAG' skill after getting boombox'd.

>stop denying
I think negatives are overdone here.

tfw no fanart of Cure Elim using a rage powered jetpack to escape dragon emperor's filth

Konosuba really is the best isekai out there. This makes all the somehow-unironic isekaifags furious because the one with the most critical merit is, in the end, a slapstick comedy. What a miserable shitheap of a genre.

I mean it's not like the plot itself will change that much if you read the translations, but I seriously think you'd find easier to understand japanese as you are now than whatever the fuck are the translations of the first 10 or so Mondaiji novels were written in.

I have read TurboTL Kumo Nani Ga.
My imagination is powerful enough to make up for the bleeding eyes.

It's not that I don't enjoy it because it makes me look childish, it's just the show is genuinely not funny and the epitome of sophomoric humor

Take this dude advice. If you want to have fun - don't refine your sense of humor and taste too much. Enjoying mediocre stuff beats starving with high standards.

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EXTRA THICC MAGE OF CONSENT

>popular = good
what's next, OP is the best thing since sliced bread?

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Did I say anything about its popularity? I spoke only of its merits.

Go fir it then, really fun characters just as fun super chuuni plot that goes through just about every sort of mythology out there. Little Garden blends everything nicely. Don't expect harem though, and the romance is so subtle it might as well not be there.

And what are these "merits"?

its only merit is appealing to a wide audience
the writing is shit, the world building is shit and don't even get me started on 1D characters

The fact that it plays around with all the garbage cliches in the genre and makes them actually enjoyable to watch play out. That in itself is a herculean task.

>the writing is shit, the world building is shit and don't even get me started on 1D characters
You mean like all isekai? And is Seinfeld shit for not having characters as developed as those in The Sopranos?

>You mean like all isekai?
>when better isekai is posted right in this thread
why would you pretend to be this retarded?

So what happens in the LN?
Spoil everything user.

>popular = bad

who are you quoting?
popular is neither good nor bad, that's why using it as a selling point is pointless

Where, mister isekaifag?

Just watch something good. There's more than a thousand good anime to watch but you watch a genre that is so shit that LN competitions had to ban it.

Game-based isekai are shit, full-on nerd fantasy. Why fuck up a perfectly functioning fantasy world with continuous references to whatever fucking level you are?

Getting-reborn-somewhere isekai are usually far better, a good example being Youjo Senki (although Slime also fits this trope but was objectively trash).

>SAO isn't isekai.
Imagine being this stupid.

Grimgar and Overlord are like opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of power scales and whatnot.

Escaflowne and Romance of The Three Kingdoms was pretty good too. Shit, basically isekai featuring FeMCs are unironically better than beta male wish fulfillment schlock.

>Just watch something good.
>watch
no thanks, I've plenty to read already
>you watch a genre that is so shit that LN competitions had to ban it.
>watch
uhhh no?
>you watch a genre that is so shit that LN competitions had to ban it.
LN competitions had to ban it because isekai is not a genre
literally anything can be isekai from Lucky Stars to LoGH

No other world = not an isekai.
Cry me a river faggot.

>No other world = not an isekai.
>what is a virtual world??

A game retard. Stuck in the game trope.

>A game retard. Stuck in the game trope.
Cute, I'm Eat my ass and cum.

Knights and Magic > everything else

SAO isn't isekai. If you falseflag - go fuck yourself.

>Why fuck up a perfectly functioning fantasy world with continuous references to whatever fucking level you are?
Good fucking luck coming up with independent hard magic system. Average isekai novel writers aren't up to the task.

>Overlord
>Good
>He thinks game mechanics in not-games is a good idea
Drifters takes a big fat shit on you

The Night Land iseaki WHEN?

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They were spirited away or something to grimgar so the gods can fight a proxy using humans, right now since a few volumes ago they have been traveling through different worlds and realms right now they are in some spooky version of worderland there are other people that ended in other worlds instead of grimgar. There are many tunel between words, the party will probably try to find a way back home but the problem is they forget everything as soon they remember something.

A majority of isekais being shit is undisputed, objective fact. But there are things only shit entertainment can do.

No.

The difference is Yu-Gi-Oh had actual fun asspulls.

>overlord
you are already lost anyway, no point in trying to convince you of anything

Even fuckin Mushoku Tensei which kicked off all this nonsense had no JRPG system.

ok to keep it short, after the anime (vol.2) in:
Vol.3
>orc raid on the city, nothing happens
>Haru meets his before being isekaid waifu, but they don't know each other, diferent noob party
>everyone goes to a city-scale raid to the orc fortress as retaliation
>shit goes down, Moguzo, the warrior is kill, also Haru's waifu and her party.
>party is in full despair
Vol.4
>everyone gets to mourn Moguzo in their own way, merry almost get's herself raped, saved by last survivor member of Haru waifu's party, a noob paladin called Kuzaku
>got himself recluted because the party can't do shit without tank, get to try luck on new dungeon the Wonder Hole
>new tank is shit, they have to grind hard to get him on shape
>party joins a clan foreshadowed in other volumes, after beings saved because they suck
>finish the volume by almost getting wiped , end up the volume grinding exp for the next one
cont if you want

>SAO isn't isekai.
Stop with this retarded meme. It won't become true no matter how much you repeat it.

moar

Overlord aka "I'm muh darklord muh obey" is shit, change my mind

It already kind of is because of the memories

Grimgar is absolute trash with lame chuunishit jokes along the road. Get some fucking taste, nigger.

I cant belive swordad became a chink murder hobo ln.

It's "how to fake being a darklord", "they obey my orders but aren't really listening to me" and "I want to be a good father/boss but my children keep doing holocaust"

Actually he doesnt care about mass murder and killing.

>FeMCs
>normie girls dating chads and supermodels in other worlds.
>Not wish fulfillment.

wow you sure convinced me, great argument

>volumes getting to the top 20 best selling volumes of that mouth without even breaking 10k sales. That's not a "massive" industry, it's as niche as it gets.
oricon.co.jp/rank/obl/w/2019-05-20/
Holy shit, you're right. The book that got 1st on the latest week ranking is actually sold below 10k copies. (I know it's not a new release, but still, for the book that got 1st to actually sold below 10k volumes in a week. It really shows how small the LN industry really is.)

Haruhiro's self-deprecation in the novels was exaggerated way too much. As soon as Ranta left the group, it became unreadable.

This is one of the rare cases where the anime as a whole is better than the source. I would love to see an adaptation of the orc fortress arc at least.

Overlord is pathetic. You probably don't know what Escaflowne is and wouldn't like it because it doesn't feature a ridiculously powerful MC or videogame logic, lol.

Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit

>vaan
>vaan-sama
>vaan
>vaan-sama
>repeat 100x
Nice show, Escaflownefag

I actually like Escaflowne, it just didn't come to mind because I was talking about modern isekai

Any isekai with ridiculously long name is trash. This is fact and not up to debate

It's stuck in the game, not isekai. Stop insisting otherwise.
>isekai - lit jap. "other world"
If you need more convincing - you're fucking retarded.

>lit jap "other world"
>what is a virtual other world??

Oh yeah I forgot that those don't count as per your personal standard

Faggot

SAO is, for all intents and purposes, a different world.
>hurr muh gayem not difrent wurld
Yes, you're an idiot. Deal with it.

>virtual world
A game.
>reddit spacing
Go back.
Nah there's no transfer to another world, they're just stuck in the game.

sure
Vol.5
>grinding the Wonder Hole they met with the Team Tokimune, witch is full of weirdos, the only one who stand out is pick related wo craves for Haru's dick (ends with Haru rejecting her)
>>going further the wonderhole they find an entrance to a new world but they decide to party up with the Toki's to explore
>the new world is a bizarre looking place full of white one-eye sentient creatures and new dangers, also light and dark magic does not work
>in the first Dusk Realm (world name) run
the Tokkis outrun the party and got them behind only to get themselves fucked.
>Haru's party goes to the rescue and both party's escape safetly.
Vol 6
>As the dusk realm gets grinded out by the Party adventurers of the WonderHole pick it up as a popular Hunting ground
> entire clans go to the new world and farm the inhabitants to the point of genocide, and the world in a very MMOrpg fashion spawns a full scale resistance with boss Monsters.
>at the caos of the event the clans and diferent partys get rekt by the bosses, and the most op adventurers Daybreakers clan & others try to clear the bosses,
>this is probably the first point in the story that they show to the readers the stakes and powercreep that veteran adventurers can reach
(op oneshot skills, flashy moves, and combo magic)
> Everyone fails miserably, and on the way fleeing one mountain size-boss blocks the entrance to the Dusk realm, forcing the party to escape into another world connected to the Dusk Realm, end of the book

continue later if u want

Isekai and stuck in a game is the same shit retard

>Nah there's no transfer to another world, they're just stuck in the game.
Wow I wonder where their consciousness is then, it's almost like it's transferred and fixed in another place, only being able to interact with a virtual world and being completely disconnected from the real one.

I'm sorry you're actually retarded.

No it's not.
Isekai is other world, implying transfer of MC to it.
Stuck in the game or just game settings have enough series to be it's own genre/trope.
You do not isekai each time you power up your VR, retard.

>Nah there's no transfer to another world
Isekai ojisan is not isekai either by this definition

STUCK
IN
THE
GAME

It's not other world if it's running on jewmazon servers retard.
You do not isekai each time you're dreaming, playing RPG or VR even if you forget to eat, breathe, shit or how to exit.

Exactly, you are your consciousness, with out it you'd be a vegetable. So it doesn't matter if your physical body is transferred or not, you're still in another world

I didn't read it but it's kind of reverse isekai like hataraku maou, given that time MC spent in isekai is relevant to the plot. Pretty thin though as there's no "other world" in the picture.

>you are your consciousness
>it doesn't matter if your physical body is transferred or not
Soulfags everyone, body doesn't matter.

VR = Full sense and consciousness transfer right ? No retard, if it was like then yes it would be like an isekai if you can indefinitely live in that universe

Yeah your body would be nothing without your consciousness retard, you would be like a doll.

MOAR

>your consciousness is the same as a soul
Consider dunking your router in the nearest lake.

Immersive DiveMMOVR is still a game.
Your mental gymnastics wouldn't make a game into actual another world and SAO - into isekai.
And how exactly do you take it out without damaging the body retard? Even if you somehow manage to knock-out all brain activity without damaging the brain - consciousness would just re-emerge to be exactly you but maybe with bad hangover.

>Pretty thin though as there's no "other world" in the picture.
Half the series so far is literally ojisan's isekai misadventures

Oh yeah? That retard is separating body and consciousness as if latter can somehow be taken out of the former forever. It can maybe be COPIED, but you cannot separate consciousness and body.
Like I said: didn't read it, only know the premise about isekaifag going back to Japan after some adventures.

Ahem

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>CRTL+F
>No Zero no tsukaima and only one Inuyasha result
The state of current Yea Forums

Digimon is the best isekai.
this user is a moron.

debate me.

It's ded Jim.
>moron
I am but that doesn't make SAO isekai.

These are really good un world building and character development, specially for Tanta, Merry and Haruhiro.
8/10
Both of these books felt good on the world building, action&fights but they lack a lot in character development of the protagonist, especially because they turn attention todo the new partys and clans also constant struggle is starting yo get painfully stressing to read
6/10

>And how exactly do you take it out without damaging the body retard
We're not arguing about Socratic thought. In theory this is possible in anime and all I'm saying is if you're experiencing something indistinguishable from reality, then what makes it any different?

What's your definition of world ? And what's the difference between a game and a world? Other than the former being virtual

>isekaifag
Segafag.
He spent 17 years in coma in the hospital then woke up and said ireruraaz gran bahamar tona gartoeba rerax and could use magic and told stories of his time in the different world.
Literally the same as SAO minus VR vs lolmagic as a way to get isekai'd

>Konosuba is good
>le explosion
>le masochistic knight
>le pantsu stealer
if you're a braindead retard that finds the same jokes repeated ad nauseam funny then sure

>In theory this is possible in anime
Then you're stuck in the game.
>What's your definition of world ?
Something that doesn't go down with a pull of a plug.
Then it's not isekai, could've been anything really, could be gods in the afterworld losing a bet and giving him magic for mad mahjong skills or something.

But it was done in the anime retard, obviously this wouldn't be possible in real life, at least for now.

Elite opinion

>Then it's not isekai
It's literally called isekai ojisan you retard

>But it was done in the anime retard
If it's running on servers - it's a game.

You can call yourself Captain Battlestar Galactica, so what? Dude just got out of coma cut him some slack.

No one is disagreeing that it's a game, but stuck in a game can be isekai, they're not mutually exclusive

Well was the world literally unning on SEGA console?
Nah it's separate distinctive genre. There are plenty of series just set inside MMO or jRPG with Players going in and out with sprinkle of IRL scenes on top, literally SAO minus sprinkles.

It's isekai and your opinion on this irrelevant.
SAO as well.

It's not and yours is equally irrelevant.
What now?

Ever heard of simulation theory? Reality is what we perceive and make sense of those perceptions, meaning if a game was able to perfectly mimic reality then it would be considered reality, meaning a virtual game can be perceived as the real world. So a stuck in game world = isekai

>blah blah blah
>pull cord
>"""world""" shuts down
Denied. Isekai involves going over to an actual another world. You do not isekai when tripping on paint, sleeping or playing VR and no amount of mental gymnastics would make it true.

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>virtual game can be perceived as the real world

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I am merely stating the obvious fact that a game world doesn't stop being a different world just because it was created using a plausible technology and is somehow "not real"

Stuck in a game world is only isekai if the character is physically transported into the game world. SAO isn't isekai.

>was the world literally unning on SEGA console?
He would be long dead just as sega if it was

>Assuming the perfect virtual world is powered by one single cord

>"if a game was able to perfectly mimic reality then it could be considered as reality"
Learn to read brainlet

>game world doesn't stop being a different world
Game is not a world, it's a program running on human-made hardware. Worlds don't shut down with 1 plug of a cord.

Then it was real world and therefore not a game world, so it's somewhat isekai-ish.
>by one single cord
>solar flare
>perfectly mimic reality
>still go down with EMP or power outage
Wow, so real!

>Simulation theory
A game can be a world, it just depends on the scale of the game

A game is a game as long as it's dependent on stuff outside of it like hardware, tech support and electricity for servers, complexity is not the question here.

Rayearth is still peak isekai

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>Grimgar is good

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>WOW we would all die if our world was destroyed
>Game thats power by single cord = small scale
>Game powered shit ton of energy = universe
It's all relative so yes a game can be isekai

>world was destroyed
By things in it, not outside of it.

>It's all relative
You need to go back tranny.

Ok so who is to say our world isn't just one big game ? Game = Isekai = SAO retard

>Game powered shit ton of energy = universe
Come back when you have proof of our universe being powered by energy from somewhere outside of it.
>inb4 dark energy
Not a proof of anything so far.
Not how proof works.
Prove our world is a game first.

>virtual reality
>reality
>not a world
See

>Simulation "THEORY"
It's a theory, there's no definitive proof, but there's a shit ton of logical arguments made in support of it. Google it

>I identify my bathroom with another world so a story about me taking good long shit is an isekai!
>You cannot prove me wrong because everything is subjective!

Fucking everyone is a winner snowflakes, sick of their shit.

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Virtual reality is as real as your waifu.

Good taste and actual good isekai
Only the first game though, second was shit

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I did and I actually consider our world to be iterational educational simulation that no single entity gets out of without learning its designated lessons because outside of it, IRL, tech is so advanced - it's literal magic so any butthurt faggot with big ego can put together dark matter bomb in his 7D garage and blow up half the Milky Way.

But that's beyond the point: game is not another world because it's not real. Real is objective in this case because VR MMO goes down with power outage, virus or hardware failure. Show me scenarios where our universe goes down with stuff happening outside of it and I will accept that SAO is isekai.
Until you didn't - it's not.

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Retarded straw man, come back when your IQ isn't room temperature

all anime is isekai because you can't prove the world where it takes place isn't an advanced simulation
don't @ me, you know I am right

>Tfw expecting comfy Grimgar posting and Ovelordfun posting
>It derails as always yo retarded ranting about isekai logic
Sasuga Yea Forums

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>Game is not a world
>t. never played anything more complex than tetris

>Worlds don't shut down with 1 plug of a cord
Says who

>mfw my VM with Atlas and grabber died
RIP VNs

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>Says who
It happened to MMO, there's proof.
Come back when you have proof of this happening to actual universes.

Nothing good about Overlord.

Not an argument.

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>Show me proof that scientist have been trying find for hundreds of years
Do you really believe that just because we don't know about it doesn't exist?
Real in this case would be subjective, if the universe was a game our reality wouldn't be the objective truth.
>if a game was able to perfectly mimic reality then it would be considered reality,
Assuming the universe is run by a Windows PC LMAOO
SAO = Isekai hoes mad

>goes down with power outage, virus or hardware failure
Ignore the second point, this is what I meant

>I'm right because I arbitrarily define my opinion to be correct
(You)

>just because we don't know about it doesn't exist?
You have zero points so there's nothing for me to reply to, come back with proof then we'll talk.
Until then our world is real and game running on our servers is just a game, not an actual other world.
>188539214
>everything is isekai because everything is subjective
Not even a (you)

It is though, he's implying it's wrong

>Show me scenarios where our universe goes down with stuff happening outside of it
madoka
seikaisuru kado
TTGL
Steins;Gate

>you're wrong
That's a statement retard, not an argument.

>Not a single mention of Twelve Kingdoms or A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

You know what's trash? Zoomers who open up shit-up-threads.

Congratulations, Madoka can watch SAO in her 2D world and call it isekai and be completely right about it.
You can't, you'd be a retarded faggot for calling a game isekai.

Based

>isekai's currency is gold coin
>later on, author introduce treasure that's so rare, even the prince of nearby kingdom only have 1.
>even later on, MC arrive at new place, said treasure is the local currency and even street vendor has them in hundred
>somehow this won't affect the price of necessity like food
why

There is one mention of 12 Kingdoms you just didn't read the thread before jumping in with your shit bait. 2nd stuff is Yea Forums not Yea Forums. Also time travel.

Either way it's pretentious without any substance

For Sasugasms. Also there could be no international trade between countries for whatever reason, like really rapey pirates or scary monsters.

>jewmazon
Crossboarding /pol/tards are morons. More news at 11.

...

I wish this was a mistranslation, but neighbouring kingdom is located 45000 km away, literally distance between london to hongkong x 5.

Again It's a T h e o r y,
>Until then our world is real and game running on our servers is just a game, not an actual other world.
You're assuming the universe would run like a PC Game, a "server" in this universe can be a fucking dimension for all we know.
Again SAO = Isekai you semantic fuck

>being obtuse on purpose
anything with time travel, dimensional fuckery and parallel universes deals with different worlds
acting like it's only isekai if the gang goes from modern Japan to a low magic world is plain wrong
the definition of another world isn't as simple as you believe so if you're going to try to AKSHUALLY your way out of this you are just going to drag yourself deeper

that's an opinion -- not a statistical fact

So they're living on Super Earth, I've seen other isekai like that on Royal Road.
>using theory as proof
What did he mean by this?

First of all Overlord isn't decent.
12 kingdoms and Log Horizon are.

>obtuse
>posts proof from other fictional series
You have proven your retardation so far.
Do you have proof that our universe can be shut down from the outside of it? No? Then fuck off: SAO isn't isekai.

At least you're admitting to be a crossboarder.

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>can't argue
>must discount
I accept your defeat.

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hahaha I mean you're not wrong

>Do you have proof that our universe can be shut down from the outside of it?
sure do, it's all in the Bible
as a matter of fact it's another isekai because God sends his avatar to spread crop rotation and mayo

>posts proof from other fictional series
What did he mean by this?

45k km to neighbouring kingdom is plain bullshit, why would you make another nation so damn far away.

Based and theGodDelusionpilled

Hahahaha how did this thread get so existential

Everything where MC is overpowered and everything with the typical harem cast is absolute trash.

>Haha Gravity and Evolution aren't real because T h e o r y

*tips*

SAO is native isekai.

>Overlord
>Decent

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not an isekai

Ok so this all comes down to your consciousness.
You're alive because you're self aware correct? Meaning consciousness = life
So if you unlplug this "cord" my consciousness from the game is extracted, the same way as cutting your carotid, your consciousness would stop functioning
So basically SAO = Isekai, unless you argue that you can be alive without any consciousness, in B4 Coma cause you still have your consciousness in a coma

>The only decent isekai is Overlord

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Kumo desu ga nani ka techniclly have female protagonist, but she is a spider. Still, manga is pretty decent

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There is also this, pretty good if you want pov of average schoolgirl

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>play runescape
oh no guys, looks like i got isekai'd

Straw man cope

vrmmo=/=isekai

You win the tranny crown. You can call anything you want isekai, even your turd trip to the shitter because the prostate gland feeling just out of this world for you faggot.
That doesn't make SAO isekai and game - another world.

>pretty good

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have you cultivate today?

No I had a cup of isekai, brushed my isekai, took a good long isekai, then rubbed one isekai off because apparently anything I want to call Isekai - is!

I've planted potatoes yesterday, does that count?

i've eaten my daily mercury pill, i'm ready to defy the heavens

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No but I've courted death.

You are merely a toad lusting after swan's flesh!

Do you have a link?

Overlord is quite trash too.

Link to what? You have eyes, see Mount Tai by yourself!

Does manga count? If so, Handyman Saitou In Another World is pretty damn good.
Though to be honest Saitou feels more like a background character at times, especially compared to the rest of his party (especially Morlock) which makes it feel more like straight up fantasy and less like an isekai series

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It's great, but far too short and he should get like a crossbow or something.

reached the next cultivation level through my heaven defying body and am now going to slay that arrogant xing Xiao and his family in the inner sect today. hopefully they can make good cultivation materials.

I enjoyed reading jobless reincarnation

>jobless
That one?

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Grimgar is fucking awesome but it has no ending :c

>Zoomers

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No, the one where the mcs dad cucks his mom for the maid

Eh, I feel like a sword is the best option actually. Aside from Saitou, Raelza is their only frontline fighter which is a problem since she can't fight shit like hydras. Plus crossbows are generally slow as hell.

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read the LNs

>it's common for parties to foister lots of responsibility and pressure onto White Mages
>this leads to white mages burning their spells early on in a quest and being useless later on
>also leads to poor positioning and white mages dying
>somehow no teacher in the priest school mentions this to new students and warns against these problems
Grimgar was just as bad as the rest in my opinion.

>somehow no teacher in the priest school mentions this to new students and warns against these problems
Where does it say they didn't?

Correct.

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With the abnormally high body count of priests and the fact that the students keep falling for newbie traps like using a cure spell for a light wound that could just be bandaged. If anyone was being warned against stuff like this it wouldn't be a common problem.

>Warning someone about something means they won't still do it
Have you ever met a person?
Most of the teachers dont give 2 shits anyway, they take your money, teach you whatever you paid for them kick you out

Overlord is overrated
I dont need to change your mind
You have shit taste

No different than basic overpowered Isekai trash on the same vain of edgy self-fellating series.
So its worse

Drifters is kino tier

Hoes are indeed mad, you can say whatever you want but facts are facts. SAO = Isekai = Stuck in Game

>being completely unaware of a common problem despite it being a major factor in the death of a strongly desired class
There's a difference between being ignorant and being stupid.
>Most of the teachers dont give 2 shits anyway
Ok, that's to my point although I don't think there was any malice from the teachers in this series. Just a contrivance to facilitate the party needing a new member.

What?

>grimgar LN
Fuck off with that, don't try to get any more people to read that piece of shit. I finally dropped it after i read the intro to one of the latest volumes and the autor literally says that he has no idea what he will write when he starts a volume, and it shows. The characters just develop in circles, anything that changed about them is forgotten in the next volume, the main story constantly gets interrupted by irrelevant side shit, and finally, the monster names and design are some of the most uninspired things in the entire novel.

>that's to my point
How? It's not bad writing for people to not care more than they have to. We spend the most time with the MCs teacher, and she doesnt give him a lot of coddling

>Overlord started out great but it's so boring now. Like the dude doesn't give a shit about anyone in the new world and he can never lose.
There were actually interesting directions to bring the concept. They just failed to do so.

12 Kingdoms is good.

dragons wearing pelts are cute

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>this garbage thread stays up
Kill yourselves jannies.

only ripped off my customer by 200% today, nearly died from being so generous

The point is that nobody is teaching these people common sense tactics related to their job class. If you want to pretend that the teachers are willfully withholding vital information that still supports that idea.

>and she doesnt give him a lot of coddling
I didn't care about that nonsense defense in the goblin slayer threads and I don't care for it in Grimgar. The story wants to pretend that something is a common problem, yet nobody bothers to do the bare minimum and communicate what the problem is all so the story can have a contrived moment of drama. This isn't about coddling or holding hands; if you've ever been trained in something where you have to save people one of the first things you are told is to make sure to protect yourself above all else. And this is a hell of a hill you want to defend because the Grimgar writer doesn't even pretend he knows what he wants to write and where he wants to go with his story.

What if I admit that critically, those shows are garbage and have a number of flaws. But I enjoy them anyway as trash entertainment to kill time?

>shows
?
we are talking LNs here

Overlord is garbage. Log Horizon is literally the only good isekai.

It hurts seeing Now and Then, Here and There being grouped with this shitty trend, even if it is an isekai.

This is anime and manga board. LN's are trash and not welcome here.

I really enjoy Death Mage. The additional details and mythology with the gods, previous heroes, and race siring make the setting feel dynamic.

Says a person who watches their butchered adaptations.

>ALIENS
>volumes of stalling since the author can't write
It's garbage.

Wrong, No Game No Life is the best isekai ever created.

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>Overlord doesn't need to be an isekai since it would be a good story about awakening evil in its own righ
The absolute state of speedwatching. user can't even comprehend Overlord is a dark comedy about the stressful like of a random salaryman forced to become a dark lord while doesn't even know what is going on. There is nothing evil from his character, you can't get the same effect with an actual ancient lich.

There should be a crossover where the main cast of Grimgar is actually transported to another continents of the Overlord's world, then they eventually get to meet Ainz and co.

what's the point? they dont know they got isekai'd so Ainz will treat them like NW NPCs

It's not that isekai is trash, but the shear abundance of it leads to massive gradient of quality.
Grimgar had potential and is the most "realistic" in terms of how it portrays hormone filled teens making bad decisions, but I felt it was trash. Too much focus on melodrama and not enough on the isekai part.
Overlord a shit. It started off interesting with MC as a "bad guy" but now is just standard shit.
If you mental gymastics yourself into thinking that it's not a power fantasy, I want whatever you're smoking.

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In the SKAOG, they make it a policy to prisoners and criminals' mind before giving them any sentence. So if the Grimgar cast gets caught, Ainz will know they are from another world.

There is nothing wrong with power fantasy executed well. The bible is a prime example.

This.

No love for Kemono Michi?

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Escaflowne

Thumbnail made it look like she was hairy.

Escaflowne
12th Kingdom
Inuyasha
Leda
Fushigi Yuugi

Ya fuckin’ zoomer

>he couldn't beat Clem in terms of martial arts, he can't beat Renner and Jirnciv in a battle of wits and he sure as hell can't match Cure Elim's level of autistic screeching

Yeah I'm sure someone else in the NW can stomp him at gardening but that's besides the point.

Non-rpg isekai>>>dog vomit>>>rotting turd>>>>>>>>>>>>isekai with rpg elements
This is an objective fact.

>Escaflowne
>good female mc
pick one.

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hhhnnnggg

>synopsis starts with checklist
>ends with "it's that kind of story!"

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He didn’t say good

anyone keeping up with our muscle lord Van sama did he just get Mai as a trump card
also sucks Ankoku Kishi Monogatari will never get picked up or completely finished
pic related

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>power fantasy
>poor salaryman from a dystopian world trying to manage (key word trying) his growing kingdom and find his friends when he has no idea what's going on
>can't fuck his harem
>can't make any real friends because people are either scared shitless, want to kill him on sight or both
>can't find his way back, still not sure whether he got nabbed by the shitty devs for experiments or died while being hooked to his VR rig
>can't get a breather between his kids murdering some party and leveling a city for the glory of AOG, pretty much runs a 24/7 daycare
>can't relax because there are signs of other players who might wreck his shit
>power fantasy
Overlord is a lot of things but none of them are power fantasy
that's like saying LOTR is a power fantasy despite the fact that the part of the main cast that is still alive at the end barely makes it

What about the Raildex general? That's just another LN and it has been here for over ten years already, with threads on every single day.

magic knight rayearth is the only one i can think of that has anything feminine

>hur hur hur "insert name" change my mind.
Next.

Literally one competition which had specific requirements for entry(they also banned everything with teenager MC etc) 'banned it' and Yea Forumstards fell for the ANN clickbait article.

There is no good Isekai and will never be, anyone who likes Isekai is a 30yo neet or retarded.

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konosuba, shieldbro and overlord are the only good choices. everything is else is utter, utter shit.

Drifters is a good Iseki

Based hunterchad.

>implying Dark Continent arc won't be isekai

>Implying they will adapt anything more of Hiatus x Hiatus
Keep dreaming user, at this point I won't even lose my time reading the mango.

>all the elves carry around a book about a guy who sucks tits for a living
what a lewd race

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>comparing actual novels to light novels
what are you doing user?
good taste

>adapt
could you elaborate?

This show was great. Overlord done right. Isekai done right. Will there ever be a season 2? IIRC the manga ended right with the anime.

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Make way for the best isekai.

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my favorite isekai and the only one I didn't dislike

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>Overlord done right
it's the polar opposite of Overlord

Looks like turbogay shoujo shit. Dropped.

I liked Re:Creators a lot. Shame it never got the attention it deserves

Excuse my shit englando, I mean I think that the Dark Continent arc is never coming as animu.

Exactly

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It's NotVladmir NotPutin punching the shit out of everyone because he wants to ride all the mystical creatures in the world. No OP protagonist. Protagonist actually has goals and ambitions. Give it a try user.

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what anime has monsters as bricks?

I never said anything about anime though
then you weren't looking for a serious LN anyway
why do people pick up Overlord expecting tiddies, power wankery and world domination?

"Everyone is fucking old as fuck even babies" ???

Nothing on narou has clicked with me as much as MT did and I still think it's the best work there. The narou WN format I feel was also perfect for it, since the author had no need to cut out some of the more perverted or awkward stuff which he did in the LN and just wrote what he wanted to write. Writing wise you can see he also improved quit a lot compared to the beginning which felt stiff. This is basically the purpose of syosestuka ni narou in the first place as in "lets become a novelist" to have amateurs become pros. The manga/anime format just doesn't work for this story just like how it didn't work for Overlord.
Hopefully there will be a lot of Roxy fanservice at least.

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Church officials are good and honest men.

Isekai novels:
Abilities Average
Evil God Average
Kuma Bear
Kuishinbo Elf
Spider
Bookworm
Manowa
Kyuuketsu Hime wa Barairo no Yume o Miru
Hakai Me no Yuuri
Demon Girl ~Tale of a Lax Demon~
Killing Slimes
Mezametara Chikashitsu!?

Non Isekai Novel:
Kenshi o Mezashite Nyūgaku
The Magnificent Battle Records of A Former Noble Lady (MC is not isekai'd but has isekai chars in story)
Itai no wa Iya nanode Bōgyo-Ryoku
Kansutoppu

You should probably have mentioned that "Haru's waifu" was his childhood friend from their original world, he dreamt of their past but forgot about it after waking up, and even as she died he couldn't shake off the feeling she felt more important to him than she should be considering they barely met in Grimgar.

It feels like a lot of these series get sterilized as they get adapted. Shield Hero just stands out to me, but I may be wrong on that sentiment.

>Abilities Average
FUNA. Decent, but gets boring soon.
>Evil God Average
Good at the start, but turns to shit.
>Kuma Bear
Shit, but at least the manga is kinda decent.
>Kuishinbo Elf
Absolute shit, definitely the worst in this list. And that's coming from the GB-fag. O MY PEACHY-SENSEI
>Spider
Grindy af, but decent. After she leaves the dungeon, it takes a huge leap that made half of the readers drop.
>Bookworm
Decent?
>Manowa
Sounds like shit.
>Kyuuketsu Hime wa Barairo no Yume o Miru
Shit. Basically GB Overlord, but somehow it's actually worse. O MY RAPE PREGNANCY
>Hakai Me no Yuuri
Shitty start, but it's actually decent. A bit rushed at the end.
>Demon Girl ~Tale of a Lax Demon~
Kinda fun, but that other world arc (volume 5?) is slow af.
>Killing Slimes
Shit, unless you like the "cute girl doing cute things" shit.
>Mezametara Chikashitsu!?
Shit.

Shit.

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saucerino please?

>Plus crossbows are generally slow as hell.
It's better than nothing and Saitou cannot fight in melee for shit. Alternatively he can go alchemist and carry bunch of chemicals together, like that metal-melting slime that came in handy.
No other world = not an isekai, cry me a river faggot.

I'm sorry.
Overlord is better than LOTR.

There's material for at least another 1 cour season with some extra left on the end. Novels are pretty short. MC gets a titjob.

>It's NotVladmir NotPutin punching the shit out of everyone
Thanks that faggot does me plenty IRL.

t. kremlinbot
+15RUR for your shitty propaganda on cambodian shoe-lacing forum

mangadex.org/title/20234/shinju-no-nectar

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>>Manowa
>Sounds like shit.
It's not that bad, but it's not really amazing or anything. Some of the world building is interesting, but there really isn't any kind of goal to the story.
It's basically "The Adventures of Kazane & Friends", which can be fun.

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They all do to some degree but gag series like Konosuba suffer the least. If you've read its LN, compared to other adaptions it's basically 1:1.

Is it gender bender? Is there rape?

>If you've read its LN, compared to other adaptions it's basically 1:1.
This. I can't pick up Konosuba LNs because some anons say it's 1:1 some say stuff is skipped in anime bit whenever I try to read it - it's basically anime script.

Not him but might as well.
Volume 7
>After escaping the Dusk Realm, the party winds up in Darunggar, a world where it's always night, full of spooky monsters and divine magic only works at below half effectivity.
>Struggle, grinding, and exploration intensifies, Yume almost fucking dies once, nice moment with her and Ranta too at some point
>They eventually find a village with a human that also ended up at that world who knows how long ago, gave up on going back, and lives there with his spooky monster wife
>Haru and Kuzaku have a talk because Haru suspected him and Merry were secretly dating, turns out Kuzaku did like Merry and did confess to her, but she rejected him, Haru is relieved
>More grinding and struggling for like half a year as the party ponders if they should just accept their fate and live there like the other guy, decide they want to go back after all
>Find a place with orcs, monsters they recognize from Grimgar, and assume a hole back to Grimgar must be nearby
>As they sneak around Haru gets spotted by a kid orc, pussies out and only ties him up instead of killing him
>That bites him in the ass immediately later and he has to desperately solo an actual orc, and has to resort to even fucking biting it to kill it
>Party finds the hole back to Grimgar and goes there except Haruhiro gets intercepted by a fucking dragon chilling inside the cave, more desperate struggling happens as he literally crawls his way out and gets healed by Merry on the other side, can't even tell if he's alive or not anymore after all that shit
Summarizing is a pain so if you're still around let me know

No and no. The story is rather tame in that regard.
The MC is just a girl who played a video game with some friends, and ended up in that other world (as herself). She then learns that her friend is also there, and it seems players occasionally get dragged into this other world at random periods of time.

Actually, the litRPG shit might be one reason to dislike the series, given that Players have access to a status screen, although you only really see her stats at the end of chapters, so they can be easily ignored.

>The only decent isekai are Drifters and Konosuba
FTFY. Overlord and Grimgar are shit. Drifters and Konosuba are based and the only good isekai.

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>Power fantasy
>MC has no dick
That seems plausible

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Is this an anime only thread? Because jesus christ those "opinions" are bad.

I like your summaries user keep it up.

>Ctrl+f "Drifters"
>4 posts
At least some people in this thread have taste.

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Sounds like shit.

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Grimgar was pretty refreshing, They were all shitters and struggled with Goblins but then the healer diedand the show went to complete shit, What a shame.

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That's a shitty opinion.

It mostly is but then the usual people joined in. Nothing surprising though it's like this with every anime only isekai thread.

Drifters is fucking good man, I don't know why ism't more popular, it's the only good isekai desu.

name 2 series.

My favorite Isekai is Goblin Slayer, because the MC has autism.

It probably is shit.
But it's my shit.

Woodman updated or something?

>japanese wankery isekai
into the trash it goes along with battle harems

Which one because they lost like 3

grimgar is trash
you probably havent even read the LNs

>forced comedy

Yeah, I hate when shows fucking force me to laugh. How about getting me to laugh naturally, you fucking assholes.

>Drifters
>Good
Poor man's Fate but somehow worse

No series needs more than one Alucard

>I don't know why ism't more popular,
It's probably the "least shit" of modern isekai, but it's not as interesting or attention grabbing for whatever audience it's trying to grab.

Imagine being isekaied as a 3D into a 2D world.
You'd be basically an incomprehensible eldrich abomination to the locals.
The power you would hold over their world by simply existing in a 3rd dimension.
They'd probably offer you sacrifices to calm your ire or ask you for small favors like ants IRL might ask humans.
Imagine what it would feel like for a 2D girl to have you inside her, this is some Eclipse tier of shit.

Do you think about it? I think about it a lot.

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>Japanese wankery
The fuck are you talking about? Two of the most based characters are cowboys and the main antagonist with godlike power is literally Jesus Christ.

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Based drifterchad.

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assuming having an extra dimension translates into having time control powers, you are literally Stopman

That's not the point i was trying to make.

>The fuck are you talking about?
>japs and americans against christianity
I understand that Drifters fans aren't the brightest bunch but come on now

But you did anyway, without even trying. That sounds awfully familiar.

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We need more native isekai, I'm tired of this travel to another world bullshit.

The whole meme about native isekai is that it's exactly the same hence why it's called native isekai lmao you people are delusional.

What about a native isekai set on Earth. That could be interesting.

What about one where your mom is a whore. Oh wait, that's an oxymoron too.

That doesn't even look sexy. It looks retarded.

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There's like one guy who says that priests have a dangerous job. It's not really clear that it's a common problem in the first place

You mean like dungeons and levels and shit appearing in the real world? There are stories like that on syosetsu if you search but many are not translated and they're not really popular.

You mean fantasy?
You mean urban fantasy?

That's korean gimmick right now.

No, there's no dungeons on Earth. I'm talking about an isekai set on Earth, but without the world travel or reincarnation bullshit.

No, native isekai.

There's a few on RR too, but many are shit.
One I really liked (and is currently on permanent hiatus) was "Change: New World".

>isekai set on Earth
Either you nave otherworlders on Earth or it's fantasy.

It doesn't have to be fantasy, just don't have fantastical elements.

user do you know the definition of isekai? World travel and reincarnation is what it means literally an individual being transported or reincarnated in a DIFFERENT world. Now as for native isekai that means using narou troupes such a adventurer guilds, game mechanics and narou isekai specific archetypes which is why some people don't call it fantasy but just isekai without isekai hence the meme native isekai.

>no fantasy
>no otherworlders
>set on Earth
>no fantastical elements
Congratulations, nobody would buy a story of your life though.

>japs and americans against christianity
Nobody fucking said that. And that's not the point of the Black King's character. All the Drifters and the Ends are copies of their original selves from the point they died in history. The point of the Black King is that he's Jesus Christ who was supposed to resurrect in 3 days and ascend to Heaven, but a copy of him was made and was forced to fight for Easy as one of the Ends. This copy is Jesus Christ after he gave salvation to mankind but received nothing in return and couldn't ascend to Heaven, so he felt betrayed and goes mad, choosing to eradicate humanity instead in the other world. He's a dark version of Kahless from Star Trek.

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My life is more interesting than the majority of isekai's, though. And all I do is sit on a chinkanese image board baiting retards all day.

>some people
>people
Retards you mean. There are terms to describe game-elements in weeb shit for god-knows how long before isekai went mainstream.

Man you have low standards or are good at lying to yourself.

>characters from all over the world
>half the protags are japanese
are you being retarded on purpose?

This thread's a flop
Only one good isekai has ever been released and it hasn't even been posted

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All of these suck

No you don't understand there are stories which really use narou archetypes such as revenge wanks type stories or maybe dungeon master stories but they're not isekai. The only difference is that the MC is a native but there's literally no difference.
People who force it on actual fantasy though are baiting.

It's exactly because I don't have low standards that I consider reading most Isekais worse entertainment than just shitposting here.

The fuck does that even mean? You want something like this? A guy waking up in a world that's different then his, but after a while it's actually explained how it's still the same world and why it changed so drastically?

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Yes, but less fantasy.

>forced drama
>shitposting on Yea Forums is more entertaining than being ultraOP thundercock ultrachad in isekai
Low standards.

>Do you think about it? I think about it a lot.
Write意Tどwん。AllおFいt。

That's post-apocalypse retard.

Fantasy is what's hot now especially really high fantasy. Look into another medium.

>Forced drama
You mean plot?

"Paul Zero's Adventures" is great! Best Skeleton Isekai MC ever!

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lhscan.net/manga-my-house-is-a-magic-power-spot-just-by-living-there-i-become-the-strongest-in-the-world-raw.html

You're right, how could I be so blind...

>The only decent isekai are Overlord
shit taste confirmed. no need to prove you wrong.

>half the protags are Japanese
So? The non-Japanese protags are based too, so how's that a problem?

Volume 8
>They are back in Grimgar now, but like 700 kilometers away from their city, and in the middle of an orc+undead conflict
>Party acts like retards and immediately gets separated
>Kuzaku and Shihoru end up getting helped by some unknown suspicious guy, Haru and Yume meet another party (Typhoon Rocks) from the same clan as them who are there killing orcs and undeads for their own reasons
>Ranta and Merry get captured by the orcs, Ranta joins them so he doesn't get killed, Merry refuses to join all the way so Ranta has to make up some bullshit lie about wanting to fuck her so she's kept alive
>Nothing much worth of note happens for most of the volume really, the series really starts to drag fucking hard from this point on.
>Party regroups (except Ranta and Merry) and are taken to some sort of hidden village nearby, learn about the motivations of the volume's side characters and whatnot but there's not really anything relevant overall
>Haru goes ask for help to save Merry and an autistic necromancer (that actually fights mostly controlling some weird cat-monster-thingies, a Catmancer, if you must) takes an interest in him and decides to help
>Ranta learns about a human who is with the orcs as well, they talk about stuff and this entire scene feels taken straight out of a chaos route in SMT and it gets to Ranta's mind
>Everyone goes settle their problems with the orcs and undeads, ends up with a really intense 1-on-1 fight between the Rocks leader and the strongest undead, Haruhiro sneaks away to rescue Merry
>Ranta was waiting for that and has no intention of going back, Ranta vs Haruhiro finally happens. At this point Ranta is stronger than him, but Haruhiro wins with basically cheap trickery, and has to be stopped by Merry from killing Ranta. Then Haru gets Merry and starts going back, with mixed feelings about Ranta's betrayal

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Is that the one where he fucks the house?
Is that the one that cannot save any hoes?

>revenge wanks type stories
Those are completely independent of isekai.
>dungeon master stories
This relates to how isekai and litRPG are pretty closely related due to both the trend of "going to another world" and "gamefying the world" have basically crossed.
It is sorta connected, but litRPG arguably predates the current isekai trend.

Whatever the case, "native isekai" is a retarded term. Call it just fantasy, or litRPG.

I like that manga about that Restaurant Chef kid cooking for the cute dark skinned native girl.
Also that manga about the guy who gets a fucking mythical beast as his companion because the beast likes his cooking.

>Is that the one where he fucks the house?

Yes. That is literally the only redeeming factor and only for the joke that impregnating her adds another floor.

After compiling everything you just said what you want is scifi. Like the chick from cowboy bebop.

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explain why half the cast is japanese if the glasses dude picks people from all over the world
then you will realize why it's japanese wankery
you're welcome

user, the reason these 'litRPG' type stories are even called isekai is because of narou. On narou when the first isekai types were written some of them ended up being extreme popular. Like Child reincarnations, monster reincarnations, otome vilaness reincarnation, nariagari types like a person is persecuted and rises up from oppression(Kuro no Maou, shield hero variants) and many more. It might be independant in the original sense but these isekai type stories became the foundation of everything else there and it's what kicked off the boom in the first place of the so called narou isekai. Of course when literally exact type of story is written on narou people are going to associate it with the original narou archetype.
Are you an anime only? It seems you don't understand the importance of narou and where all these stories are originating from.

Because the author knows more Japanese historical figures than he knows non-Japanese figures. I'd say this is less wankery, more laziness.

ye

Grimgar is absolute shit. The one appeal it had, they overdid it.
Muh its not acshually that easy to kill goburins. They went clearly overboard with it.

It is when you're too retarded to heat vitals from the back.

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>native isekai.
Stop being a retard.

One of the cases where those long titles are actually useful. Tells you straight to the face that there won't be any challenge or quest or character growth, just boring self-indulgence and self-adulation. About as interesting as watching my dog eat dog food.

How does the Eco system in the Dungeon in 'I'm a Spider' work if there's no vegetation and herbivores feeding on them. A dungeon composed entirely of omnivores who are really carnivores due to there being nothing else doesn't sound like it can sustain itself

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People get dogs for that though.

user, just because isekai popularized these tropes on a single platform, doesn't make these tropes isekai. I know about narou and shit. I just think forcing this meme is retarded.
It's about as retarded as how we collectively decided to equate the name of one of the world's most influential empires, to be the name for a genre about sappy love stories.

Go back to your powerwanking fantasies then.

The fate series

When will we get an Isekai that transports someone to an old west world?

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>if there's no vegetation
I recall Kumo eating some, it's just so disgusting it's the last resort.

I'm an isekai expert. For an isekai to be good 3 criteria need to be fulfilled.

>1) The MC needs a cheat ability that isn't "useless at first glance"
Just embrace the fact that your MC is OP as shit, don't try to bullshit around.

>2) The MC needs to own a slave
It doesn't matter how he obtains it, though saving some aids ridden one due to his power is the preferred method.

>3) No fucking lolis in the harem
Their only reason for existance is to cockblock the MC at every turn. Fuck that shit, they add nothing of value and are generally just annoying little shits.

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The thing is I'm not talking about in general as well but only in regards to the stories originating from narou. You might not have read much but there are cases with authors where there literally is no difference it uses the exact same narou type writing I've seen a thousand types but simply does not make the MC transport to another world. Of course when I see a story originating from narou with these types of templates I am going to call out on it and say it is a native isekai. Whatever though I'm not going to defend brainlets who call every single fantasy isekai.

>Their only reason for existance is to cockblock the MC at every turn. Fuck that shit, they add nothing of value and are generally just annoying little shits.
This. Deathmarch was hell.

she ate a bug with Corrosion/Rot abilities. No mention is made of what they eat and eating them would likely have done her a lot more harm if she didn't get lvl 1 resistance from the Foul Feeder title

It could be pre-apocalypse, too.

Would be better without the magic and Servants.

I think levelling up at a ridiculous rate as damn near every MC does is already cheat enough not to mention affinity with all types of magic.

A slave is only necessary in so much as it allows the MC to get guidance and companionship without having to put in any of the work to be a social person

>>A slave is only necessary in so much as it allows the MC to get guidance and companionship without having to put in any of the work to be a social person
>YWN
STOP!

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>supporting cast is overwhelmingly male
sorry bro I'm not gay

>A slave is only necessary in so much
Are you a woman or something? How can you not understand what a slave is for?

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>No fucking lolis in the harem
>Their only reason for existance is to cockblock the MC at every turn
This can easily be solved by dicking them into submission, tho. Who's going to arrest you?

I would say the opposite is true. As soon as a relationship is established the story goes to shit. Deathmarch is fine imo, you shouldn't be reading it to see him fuck some girl. The girls are cute, their purpose is to be cute. There's isekais like Slave Harem, where there is no limiter in place for relationships, that are legit trash and all they do is talk about fucking the slaves every couple pages with no substance beyond that. Maybe I'm just jaded by having read so many of them but I truly think 99% of the isekais where they actually talk about sex are bottom of the barrel. Another example is Jack of All Trades. It wasn't amazing in vol1 but it really went down in vol2 when it suddenly established the relationship. I don't even think Mushoku, which is a very good isekai, is an exception. The mid point of that story is really fucking boring and all it does is talk about sex and having children.

Want a enjoyable isekai? In my wizened opinion: don't establish a deep relationship and have the MC run around mostly solo. It may just be a coincidence that 2 monster-MC isekais follow this strategy.

All of his harem is cockblocking him or trying to. Of course, he is blocking them from getting it too. One of those is solved by the other, he just refuses to do it.

you will never what? Own a slave

yeah but you can still do that without needing to get a slave you just need to show people your merits and unspeakable power and all the money from completed quests or whatever should make you pretty attractive

>get guidance and companionship without having to put in any of the work to be a social person

Getting a proper balance between no sex and sex as the sole focus is difficult to find. It could be done, but I think part of it is publisher expectations for what something should contain and the quality of writer willing to include sex.

>overlord
>not re zero
>not youjo senki

>Getting a proper balance between no sex and sex
Anons here have no issues with this.

Sure, because the only way to get laid is by getting someone who has lost all of their dignity and freedom.

You're not necessarily wrong no, but considering there are people who read it for banging fantasy races like beastmen, Elves and so on they don't really care that much about well established relationships or whatever. It's like fast food, they want a quick snack.

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>giving females freedom

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If I ever isekai with cheats - local women are losing any societal rights they have.

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They're all fucking shit.

>There's isekais like Slave Harem, where there is no limiter in place for relationships, that are legit trash and all they do is talk about fucking the slaves every couple pages with no substance beyond that.
Slave Harem is trash because the novel is basically a play log of everything the MC does in a dungeon. Reading the web novel was a mind-numbing experience that eroded my sanity the more I read it.
The manga is comparatively better, because now there's actually something pretty to look at, but the story is still shit, with or without sex.

Relationships in stories might distract from a story, because the writer isn't used to how to handle those relationships, because the nature of most classic stories we base our tropes and ideas around almost necessitate that the MC can't be in a relationship until the very end, or if he's in one, everything must go wrong.
I think we as readers and writers just don't have a good standard to set for "action adventure where MC is in a healthy(?)/active relationship".

incorrect

This man speaks the truth. Although I do prefer Grimgar over Youjo Senki.

>finally I can fuck and cuddle without all that rat-race attached to it
Are you implying it's a bad thing?

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Remove shitbaru and you might be onto something.

YET he does it with prostitutes. I wonder if this only annoyed a few people.

>pick up Overlord expecting a cheap edgy power trip after hearing about it on Yea Forums
>first season is okay
>not a lot of edge or power trip but expect that to build up
>start second season
>first half is nothing but lizard people having sex and occasional references to Ains
>lizard sex is never relevant to any other story beat for the rest of the series
>Ains doesn't even do anything vaguely evil until season 3

Lolis are cockblocking him from fucking one girl in harem that's up to his standards. So he fucks prosts instead. What's there not to understand?

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They are both shit.

Why doesn't he just fuck the lolis too?

>picking up Overlord with adaptation

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It's also a problem when everyone but the MC seems be having sex.

If he can't even be inconvenienced a little by fucking them once in exchange for them not getting in the way other times, he has a serious problem with his priorities. And others like Lulu block him too.

That would be the best solution, but there are others he doesn't try either, like letting Arisa use a body when he isn't in it.

That may be so but I honestly cannot imagine how it could be written in a way that makes it frequent but also enjoyable. Mushoku did well when he lost his virginity, but after that it was just a chore you were given to read between the good parts. I'm probably fine with the first time but maybe you're right about the progression because that moment (in Mushoku) did feel like an ending, in a way, and then a new story started after that.

I just wish they could go 3 chapters without talking about "pushing her down" or some vague offhand explanation that they fucked all night [again]. It's real tiring.

>grimgar not being good
it might not be your genre, but its still one of the best in japland

>someone picks up dead translation
>it's a machine translation
it's alright, maybe they'll edit it
>gives so little of a shit they didn't even read through it to see the main character of the chapter's name constantly changed every line they were mentioned between 3 variations of the machine's interpretation of the katakana

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Stop arguing with that troll, user.

They're not his type and he's in position to be picky.
>can't even be inconvenienced a little
Bitch why do you even isekai as OP faggot with cheat abilities if you have to compromise over every little thing? Just stay IRL.

Volume 9
>Haruhiro and Merry run back to where all the fighting was happening
>Fights broke out all around and everyone is just trying to stay alive somehow
>Haru and Merry run into Setora, the necromancer, who wants Haruhiro's eye as part of the deal for helping save Merry. He was about to rip his eye off himsel, but Setora says she doesn't even need his eye right now, and changes the condition having Haruhiro be her lover until she gets bored of it, and tags along
>Ranta is kinda pissed at losing to Haruhiro and starts going on about wanting to be stronger
>Kuzaku has a flashback to his original world, his mother was dying of cancer. He was visiting his mother at the hospital every day, and when she finally died his family all broke down crying except himself, who couldn't even feel that anymore and just wanted to end everything, his flashback ends as he was talking the elevator down and he finds himself on the run from the orcs and undeads, doesn't even have his weapons anymore. Immediately forgets his flashback
>Yume also has a flashback chapter, but hers is shorter and it's just her curled up in some corner while other kids try to be friendly, as usual she forgets it immediately, and realizes there's a wyvern flying over them
>Shihoru and one of the Rocks get attacked by it, and run away
>Shihoru, Haruhiro, Merry, Setora, and one of the Rocks meet up and it turns out there are are Wyverns hunting in that area
>Kuzaku high on adrenaline shows up running the fuck away from everything and meets up with everyone else, takes Shihoru's staff away from her and starts beating up the Wyvern with it, Yume also rejoins at some point, cue wyvern fight
>Haruhiro starts climbing the goddamn Wyvern, stabs it in the eye, and it flies away
>Ranta decides he wouldn't get anywhere with Haru's party, but won't with the orcs either, so he leaves a note basically saying "smell ya later losers" and betrays the orcs as well, and now is a solo fugitive

>Ains doesn't even do anything vaguely evil until season 3

He didn't do anything evil in season 3 either. Defending your home from thieves and backing up your allies in war is not evil.

At that point you check whether it's even any different from google, and if not report it on NU.

He already spends effort he doesn't want to keep cities alive, or move entire empires into parallel worlds. Having sex with them even once is minor compared to those.

twelve kingdom is actually not that good tho
the only thing going for it is the actual logic behind someone being thrown into a strange place with no knowledge about it, it doesnt concern the protag ofc
beside that twelve kingdoms is boring and lazy exposition and plotlines that go nowhere
progress of the story laid out during 49 episodes that could be fitted in one season 12 ep is not helping either
its all about the anime i dont plan indulging in this shitshow any further i have actual books to read that are better

People tend to think I'm joking when I recommend it, but it's legit a fun ride.
Potion slut a best.

It cannot be helped.

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People think it's Putin propaganda.

You forgot the part were Ranta is now chased by an angry samurai.

That's what he should be thinking as he finally has to get them pregnant to fulfil his duties.

Dumb assburgers.

It is.

I want her in my harem.

Shhh. That's for the next volume!

>Is that the one that cannot save any hoes?
No, it's the one who fights on the side of the bad guys.
Also on the side of the good guys.
And even on "his own" side.
But most importantly on the side that flips the gameboard and somehow turns his supposed enemies into his allies (unknowing slaves) somehow.

Fucking how? The mangaka borrowed his appearance and one meme about the guy and literally nothing else. The manga is not set in Russia, there's no references to Russia whatsoever; it's literally just a guy who kind of look like Putin fucking around in an isekai world.

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Some people can't take the 5 seconds to look past an image and see context
Agreed.

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>translated to russian faster than to english
Really activates my almonds.
>it's literally just a guy who kind of look like Putin fucking around in an isekai world.
>russian troops in ukraine
Sounds familiar.

It's not an isekai, it's time travel.
It's also just pretty good. I'd but Konosuba above it, and that's not even my favorite isekai.
The only way you could possibly say it was is if you meant it might promote positive associations with his image.

>might promote positive associations with his image.
It does.

i dont know if i love or hate the stuck up noble/clergy archetype getting schooled scenario

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