Why are Isekai Protagonists ok with slavery?

>those digits
How will chinks ever recover

>There are more slaves today than any history yet people act like it has stopped existing
Thank Obama for that. He interfered in the ME and now there are open slave markets in Libya.

Fuck me

We’re all slaves to someone, at least the isekai world is honest about it

Slavery is okay if you treat well your slaves.

Nobody except a bunch of self-righteous cunts care about slavery in the modern world. In fact slavery only ended because of moral feels and the fact that its not profitable anymore. We still it today in fact even though its illegal ffs.

Also when in Rome do what the Romans do. He's no longer our modern world, he has no reason to adhere to our modern standards because they are no longer right or considered right by the majority of the society, so he must adapt.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

When you move to a new country, you are expected to integrate into their society. If you move from Europe to America, you don't get to tell Americans that gun possession is bad. It's not your place to say that, you are an outsider. They have to realize it themselves.
I feel like it's the same here. If i were isekai'd into a world full of slavery, I guess i'd take a few slaves as well. Not a big deal.

Nips have no heart or soul and are driven only by bestial lust

Exactly.

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>Shouldn’t people from the modern era find the practice repulsive?
No. Why?
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

MC's case he didn't care

society fucked him
he has only defensive and support skills so he needs a partner
and no one liked him so he couldn't get a partner by consent

isekai protags are always shitty people, to match the shitty format. isekaifags should suck a dick

I'm not american, I think slavery is pretty fucked up.

I think modern meat farming is pretty fucked up. I still eat meat.

Sure, but does that also mean you would be alright with having a slave?

He's American, his entire nation has been built on slavery. The pompous presidential palace he resided in? Built by slaves. You can't blame him. It's his culture.

>If i were isekai'd into a world full of slavery, I guess i'd take a few slaves as well. Not a big deal.

And if you ended up the slave? Would it still be "not a big deal" if your isekai fantasy ended with you being drilled every night by some fat smelly old man?

People underestimate peer pressure too much. A lot of people would be okay with things they think are immoral if no-one was around to tell them its wrong, and especially if it's encouraged.

people are selfish, get over it

Praise the capitalism

That's very true, the prison complex in the US south really is a new metonym for slavery

Furries are not human, it's the same thing as owning a dog

If you aren't deranged enough that the first thing you would do is buy a cute slave for yourself then you're too much a normalfag for isekai

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having a slave in an alternate world wouldn't be a bad or immoral thing so long as you treat them like a person.

Given those types of settings it would honestly be better for the slave because if they were freed what are the chances they are captured and made a slave again? very damn high in most of these settings.

I don't think I could get over being raped up the ass every night. I mean, I'm not judging you, if that's what you'd be okay with that's fine I guess.

If you want a cute slave, you picked the wrong one.

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Because poor writing.

You mean Christians.

Yet is it not odd that all the other historical injustices of typical isekai settings like a nobility system, genocide or serfdom almost always pass without comment up yet somehow specifically slavery is? I wonder what is the one country in the world that still obsesses about slavery? Surely it can't be a coincidence? Nobody seems to care too much when an isekai MC enters nobility and is granted a fief of serfs, or participates in wholesale slaughter of sapient species for profit, yet one topic in particular seems to be particularly problematic.

Is this deliberate stupidity or are you such a brainlet that you do not understand anologies? It's a unambiguous yes.

That's not an excuse. No matter how shitty you're treated by "society" you'd feel bad treating innocent people like shit unless you were a garbage person beforehand.

obviously not what i meant, i meant that people are far more ok with owning slaves than being one

also, checked

Nips were enslaving koreans not that long ago and probably don't feel particularly bad about it, so they probably are less permabutthurt than americans about slavery

Because getting a slave girl in isekai is basically getting to pick out a waifu who you can actually touch and interact with. She will be 100% loyal to you will worship the ground you walk on especially if you treat her as a person and will accept any advance you make on her essentially the perfect thing for some socially awkward otaku to interact with since talking with people is probably out of his skill set. Also another reason they are probably OK with it is because they believe they are doing the slave a favor by purchasing her out of whatever shit situation she was all ready in.

>tfw my religion allows for slaves provided you treat them justly and kindly

The real answer is that iseakishit is mostly written by bitter losers who would take slaves without a second thought. For example, a real American's isekai would involve bringing democracy to these backward thinking countries.

based anti-chinksect sextuplet

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You messed up your digits 1488-kun. The fours go before the eights.

If you lived in a world that endorsed slavery you would also endorse slavery. Even if you originally came from somewhere which didn't. Noone would take a moral stand against everyone in the world, people are able to rationalize anything; "Maybe slavery was unacceptable in my world, but here things are different so it's not so bad. It's necessary here."

Not really. If society fucks you over why should you help other people? It makes no sense. When society REALLY fucks you over it becomes common sense that you just take what u want

>>Shouldn’t people from the modern era find the practice repulsive?
There are more slaves in the world today than there ever were in any point in history.

If you were a garbage person before hand it's because society treated you like shit. People are inherently tribalistic and the only people they feel the need to do good by are those that are a part of their tribe and the worse the world treats then the smaller their definition of "tribe" gets. Doesn't matter if that shrinking happened "before hand" or not. The ability to feel compassion for a system that is actively wronging you is literally a privilege.

>you'd feel bad treating innocent people like shit
>presuming the man who treats his slaves better than himself has any moral failings.

>American's isekai would involve bringing democracy to these backward thinking countries.
and then instating a puppet government that would leave things even worse than before

You mean much like those HFY stories where mankind conquers some backwards alien race but because they built some schools and roads afterwards they totally loved it.

When in Rome...
The hell is he supposed to do about it anyway?
We didn't free the slaves because it was ethical, we freed them because it was more trouble to keep them. Our modern day selves aren't that great to begin with. Debs are still a form of slavery.

The only moral decision I have found questionable by shield Is not American history xing melty.

>curbstomping
That is a kind mercy compared to what actually happens to her.

Americans bitch more about slavery being depicted in cartoons than about all their big companies like fucking Disney having child slave factories

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Those are some of the worst kinds.

You act like those stories are bad.

Melty not her sister. None of the royals could be trusted.

>main character has cheat powers
>doesn't go John Brown

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>Why are Isekai Protagonists ok with slavery?

Because they are Japanese. Japan does not have a history of slavery and they have no real idea what it means.
How can you tell if a person is a slave in a Isekai world? They are usually wearing a collar. What does a slave do? Usually household chores or getting fucked. All of their knowledge of slavery comes from pornography. In this sense the institution of slavery isn't wrong, only being a bad master is wrong.

That's not true.

Raphtalia is pretty healthy for a slave, i think she is happy like that.

Really? Then how come we're fine with the world as it is despite all the horrific things that happen every day?

I dont find it repulsive at all .its better than to genocide them but then again its a matter of who you are dealing with.for me it looked like he did it out of desperation.people tend to throw away their morality when their live is on the line.

Because I endorse slavery now and live in a world that doesn't

>Japan does not have a history of slavery and they have no real idea what it means.
During WW2 nips were using koreans, chinese and even american pows as slaves, they know what it entails, they just don't feel overly apologetic about it.

>live in a world that doesn't
That's whay they want you to think

Some people aren't fine with it and try to do things about it even without being OP isekai protagonists.

Slavery is fine if you have no industrial revolution. Every ancient monolith was built by slaves you know like Angkor Watt Colossus of Rhodes and Pyramids of Giza

The Isekai Protag of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court is anti-slavery.

buy some apple stocks so you can upgrade to master.

>Slavery is fine because um monuments!

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>democracy
Kill yourself your country is the cancer of the human race.

Slavery is only bad if you're the slave.

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Would slavery be okay if the only enslaved were humans bred for it?

Murder is only bad if you're the victim.

Which do you agree?

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ah yes the good ol' american intervention that totally never backfires and is done purely out of selflessness

Well its a way to have guaranteed laborers so its fine if there is no alternative like feudalism.

No because you're using them as a means to an end thus violating the categorical imperative.

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Based af

He is not ok. He is against it but they want to be slaves because they love him and he is ok with them loving him so there. Also tacos.

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Hobbes
Rawls has a solid idea but the social contract only works on the civilized.
Locke and Rousseau are too idealistic
Kant is a faggot.

Sure

Why wouldn't there be alternatives? Even if there wasn't that doesn't make it fine to enslave people. You have no right to labor.

fuck off with your normalfag shit

Enslaving outsiders is fine it doesnt hurt your nation and was done since Sumerian times.

So that readers can fantasize about owning their slavefu that gradually falls in love with them because of how much nicer they are then everyone else in existence. it's grade-school tier
harem writing, user.

Nips are uncivilized. They’d go back to the gold old days Japan being run by Diamyos if they could.

Sounds lit. MY NAME IS GYOBU MASATAKA ONIWAAAAAAA

>actions are moral as long as they aren't a strategically bad for your nation

You call out the OP then, not me

Rawls is the most logical choice, but as said, a certain level of civilization is necessary.

Indeed raping a girl outside your tribe doesnt cause disorder so its fine.

t. pea brained subhuman

Feudalism is worse than slavery. At least in slavery people are chattel, regarded as somewhat living beings. Serfs are less than that, they are fixtures, considered part of the land.

Its fine really. Slavery for labor is logical but also runs the risk of umemploying the poor.

Not that user but c'mon. If you can't provide a counterargument to "raping a girl outside your tribe doesnt cause disorder so its fine." then why are you even here?

Pretty based if you ask me

>At least in slavery people are chattel,
You think west whitey slavery is the only system?

I'm not American. I think slavery is ok.

How dumb are you?
The human labor is a primary resource of every country, you can't do anything without it.
To make people work you either force them as slaves, or put them in a pseudo-free state, when the same slaves think they're living as they want.
Forcing people to work is troublesome: you need soldiers to control them and stop any riots, also they will not work as good because slaves don't want to. Create the environment where people would want to work and here you go: slaves will offer their lives for a new iPhone or few burgers.

There's no point to arguing with morally deficient retards, even if something simple like the veil of ignorance works.
Morality does not derive from the needs of some presupposed existing nation-state retard.

Violence worked for thousands of years though. Nothing motivates you to work like torture indeed.

>you'd feel bad treating innocent people like shit unless you were a garbage person beforehand.

True but he doesn't treat Raph like shit? Or Filo. He intitally was going to, he had this whole inner monologue about how her eyes reminded him of Melty and he was going to abuse her for some catharsis, but then when he calmed down he realized that was a pretty shitty thing to think, not even do just think even though he was at the bottom of the barrel of his life and about to die, so he treats her nice.

I surely love these totally anime and manga related threads

>"don't do that"
>why?
>"would you want someone to do it to you?"
Why do people act like this makes sense?

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Morally slavery is bad, but so what?
Unfortunately there's no society model that works without slavery in any form yet. Capitalism is a slavery of corporations, communism is slavery of state.

>Melty
Melty is the purple not red

You're arguing with that "morally deficient" retard though and lets be real, you can't really call him morally deficient unless you both can universally establish a baseline for what is considered "moral"
From what I gather, he's basically understanding that humanity is always in conflict and as such prioritizing the lives of those closest to you and in your group is of the utmost importance.
You seem to be more a "everyone is equal" situation which while admirable, isn't exactly a feasible stance due to it's large scale.

I want a Isekai protagonist who is a reincarnated as a hamburger.

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Attempts to make them relevant seem to be ignored. Too many people can't resist continuing irrelevant topics.

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You're just expanding the definition of slavery.
I suppose an isolated subsistence farmer is also slave to his biological need for food?

He would buy french fries on the slave market

As if you wouldn't go ahead and claim your slave.

While humanity has the trait called "greed" there will never be "everyone is equal". Someone would want something that belongs to another, or would want more than he can possibly consume in a lifetime. For this idealistic dream of equality to come true whole humanity must advance into another state of thinking, but I'd rather believe that we'll just exterminate ourselves way before it happens.

>Matthew 7:12
>So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

user's post(s) implied that the desire of the state or leaders to have labor output to use for their own ends justifies enslaving people.
Only a morally deficient subhuman would think this.

>tacos
I cant recall there being cooking of tacos

Well, from that point of view -yes, he can't do what he wants all day or he dies from hunger. But normally there's no slavery if there's no society. But as soon as society emerges, the split to rulers and slaves comes too.

If you're just defining slavery as "someone you take orders from" then everyone other than an absolute ruler is a slave

Are you kidding user? People would love for slavery to return for women and minorities, from an economic standpoint it's far better for a certain few people

It's the mangagamer translation.

You can live and survive in first world countries completely off welfare and charity.
How is such a person a slave?

We tend to call that slavery.

While horrible, that was during a war. The general populace has no idea about that, except what they read. LN writers have no clue what slavery means except what they read or saw on TV.

>but I'd rather believe that we'll just exterminate ourselves way before it happens.
I dunno, on the one hand I'd like to think so but on the other hand, Humans are tenacious in all the best and worst ways.

See, I agree and disagree. I fucking hate the saying morality is subjective because there has to be universal things which everyone can agree is despicable but things we take for granted like "Not murdering people" isn't a universal moral truth.
Even the greatest thinkers understood that an optimal society would have slaves to keep the city/society running while maximizing the lives of those supported by slaves.
Of course Aristotle probably didn't foresee robots in which case there is an easy enough slave caste there to use but I disagree with him on the fact that people inherently need goals and working is a simple goal you can get people into.

>Even the greatest thinkers understood that an optimal society would have slaves to keep the city/society running while maximizing the lives of those supported by slaves.
t. your ass

>I fucking hate the saying morality is subjective because there has to be universal things which everyone can agree is despicable but things we take for granted like "Not murdering people" isn't a universal moral truth.
The majority of philosophers believe in moral realism.

Yes let's enslave white people.

Non-working slaves leeching off working slaves.

I literally namedropped the exact philosopher who thought that way.

They would be wrong. I'm sure if you took the uneducated Africans or Amazon tribals they'd have a starkly different outlook to us on what is considered "moral".
Everyone understands not to kill your own group but what about other groups? People that are trying to kill you? Is it moral then to kill someone?

because isekai is at it's core wish fulfillment

and the people who write them are degens who want sex slaves

The only moral way of opposing an unjust society is to live a just life. It means that you find the dregs of that society and show them kindness and compassion, it means to let go of the hatred that eats at your soul and work to foster that kindness and compassion.
Edgy bois who think that becoming a jaded tosser is the only way of living have allowed society to beat them and become a cog that allows that unjust society to perpetuate itself.

Take your life into your own hands, take action against injustice and be good to your fellow man.

Holy get of truth

ok ONE

>I literally namedropped the exact philosopher who thought that way.
So you have one (who also excluded women) where the rest? You said "the greatest thinkers understood that an optimal society would have slaves".

>They would be wrong.
Have you looked at their arguments? Or do you just disagree with majority of philosophers off gut feeling?

Clever words for clever minds, too bad majority of people is too dumb for this so good luck. Maybe a few hundreds of years later...

Socrates/Plato/Seneca/Xenophon
Just four off the top of my head.

>(who also excluded women)
Also a really good idea. I'd forgotten about that.

People forget how recent slavery still existed in the global south

You'd have to specify which philosophers you want me to check. "The majority of philosophers believe in moral realism" is too vague a statement to actually make since you can't source it.

You seem to be unaware of how hitting rock bottom can change people

>He interfered in the ME
no that was Bush

The last country to officially ban slavery did so in the far away year of 2007.
30% of its population is slaves today.

I'm American, I think slavery is fine as long as the slaves are the former bourgeoisie.

It was actually the British.

That is neither a just life or opposition to society, it is self-fellating sophistic nonsense to regard it as such.

Ethical Intuitionism 2005

>be Bolshevik
>fight to install a dictatorship of the proletariat
>install dictatorship of the proletariat
>dictatorship of the proletariat turns around and purges you
You can't make this up folks

where did you get that? i thought this was only translated until chp 15

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It's offering an even deal to people: I won't be a dick to you, you won't be a dick to me. But you still need to determine whether an action is a dickmove. It's a dickmove if the person on the receiving end feels it's one. So you just imagine you were in the spot of the receiver.

It's got pretty simple internal logic to it. Has its limits when you consider information imbalances ("it might seem like a dickmove, but if you knew what I know, you'd consider it a blessing!") or people with very different preferences (masochists would be ethically justified superdicks unless you scale dickishness relative to a person's threshold for dickishness).
But as a rule of thumb it's sufficiently simple and covers a lot of day-to-day situations, so it's got its uses.

Chinks destroyed

Not every slave owner has treated slaves like shit. Just look at ancient Greece. Also life is unfair.

Can't make up what, that there aren't people who won't exploit a system to end up on top?

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I'm ok with slavery as long as I can be a costumer. Would not be ok with it if I was the slave.

>Also life is unfair.
Yeah that's why I'm burning your face off with my isekai powers.

Renown philosopher Kanye West once said "When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sounds like a choice,"
He was right, could you imagine how easy it would be for 10 huge black dudes to just walk up to the house master and murder him?

> if the person on the receiving end feels it's one
> feels
Feminists actually FEEL that they're oppressed by white men just by their existence. Humans are always dissatisfied with something whatever you do, there will be someone who would think it's a dickmove. As long as 2 people exist and interact with each other, there will be actions which both of them will not like.

People are perfectly fine with slavery so long as you dress it up a little. The whole service sector is based around making the customer believe they have servants.

Social media virtue-signalling groupthink morality doesn't fly in reality.

You don't get to preach your holier than thou morals to peoples who have to work hard for their lives on the daily.
You get no upvotes here for refusing you'd kill for your own personal unconditional fucktoy/life-long companion because
someone decided to call servitude "slavery". In isekai worlds, there are no blacks selling blacks to jews in exchange for guns.

Fuck you.

That system was doomed to fail as it went against human nature.

Sounds like what DiCaprio character said on Django

Then DiCaprio and Kanye are on the same page.

It's not a choice. It's a fetish.

>who is Nat Turner

>Just look at ancient Greece

You're using Ancient Greece as an example of a society that treated their slaves okay? Really?

I think you're legit mentally ill.

Can you read ?

You're telling me a system whose citizens have to stab each other in the back for a loaf of bread, isn't viable?!
M-MASAKA??!??!?!?

He should have gone with ancient Persia

>He was right, could you imagine how easy it would be for 10 huge black dudes to just walk up to the house master and murder him?

Now imagine what happens after they murder their master and become most wanted.

Did they even have a loaf a bread?

I like how jews sell other jews to slavery in those religious stories.

Just don't get caught. Or kill harder as Nat did.

>Not every slave owner has treated slaves like shit. Just look at ancient Greece.

Can you? Unless "Ancient Greece" is the name of some slave master that was kind to his slaves.

Kill yourself
Slaves in ancient Greece had no rights. Until Socrates became a thing, slavery was considered as something natural and even necessary. The Stoics were the first historic record of slavery condemnation. Educate yourself.

HYOOMAN NATCHURE

Eunuchs for everyone

>People killing each other for food is going against human nature

You're questioning our glorious motherland's abundant riches freely available to its peoples?!
This commissar would like to have a word with you.

t. Michael Jackson

>Be in isekai medieval world with slavery
>Decide to stop this bullshit
>The only way to do it is to become a world king, because every country sees slaves as economically profitable asset and they don't want to change that
>Become world king through chain of wars, betrayals and assassinations
>Free slaves
>People are starving as there's no more slaves on fields
>Riots everywhere
>Former slaves are now burglars and thieves, hating those who usurped them

>Or kill harder as Nat did.

You do know what happened to Nat Turner right? Spoiler alert: His ass was killed and his head was set on a spike for all the other slaves to see

And the fucked up thing is that because of his rebellion even harsher laws were passed that really made life even more shitty for slaves and freed slaves.

>Democracy always works and it's great for everyone
Ok it's time to go back

Introduce system where payment is granted to the ones on the fields.

It is you spoiled brat niggerlover.
People have shed blood for thousands of years so that you can sit here in tr/a/nsvestite-central shitposting with food in the fridge someone else prepared without human suffering.

He's just reciting some dumb /pol/ post about how Jamal and Cleetus would ever give a shit about dumb suburbanites in some great purge if communism was to materialize in the states.
He thinks in copy pasta, pity him and those psuedo NEETs that work in the think tanks of turning point USA

Let me rephrase my statement. Nat should have killed harder. Once you kill one little white woman/child, you already hit the "You're dead if we catch you" line so you may as well go full tilt.

Indeed, ivory tower bullshit is so tiresome.

So the people in your imaginary kingdom are so lazy that they can't just work their own fields? It has to be done by slaves or else nothing gets done?

>Not enough money
>Make more, inflation goes up
>Economical crash as there's no other countries with oil to rob

How is it wrong though? The pasta is entirely right. In one of those strange ironies of the world, the people most in favor of communism, by doctrine, are the exact class of people who would be purged in the revolution.

>ignores history
>uses ad hominem and a question begging ephitet
>his brand of communism has never been tried

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You'd never even make it to the point of complete societal collapse.
The nobility would assassinate you for trying to usurp the status quo.
And that's even if you actually ever manage to become a king of a legitimate world government. Abolishing indentured-fucktoys is not a cause countries disregard their sovereignty and differences for.

>The nobility would assassinate you for trying to usurp the status quo.
But I have MC cheat powers.

IT seems like they're usually reluctant and have to feel pressured into it. After they get the first slave (who is invariably a woman eager to be one in the first place), they adjust to it more readily.

You rarely see male slaves. Slavery in isekai is a kind of sexual dominance fantasy with the woman being as purely submissive as possible (beyond what a non-slave woman could pull off).

His group did manage to kill 60 people, which would have been a lot back in those days.

>Why are Isekai Protagonists ok with slavery?
Not being ok with slavery is a very modern concept, 99% of everyone who has ever lived has been ok with slavery

Just destroy the country and then create a new country on top of it without slavery.

Even when slavery was legal there were still people that were against it. It is not a modern concept.

Not really, but freeing the slaves might not go as well as one imagines.
Example is India: there was a cast named "Shudra", basically a lowest society level people, they did all the dirty job. When cast system fell they refused to collect garbage and do other shit they did. Naturally, other people from higher casts won't collect garbage too cuz it's a dirty job. So now India is drowning in garbage because nobody wants to collect it.

I don't think Cleetus would like you either sempai.
We're both begging questions here. Get your own damn street corner.

Did they offer to pay them? Or did they just expect them to do it for free? And if nobody wants to collect the garbage why not force criminals to do it?

I would sign up for that

>Even when slavery was legal there were still people that were against it.
You can always find someone who disagrees with anything, slavery was legal and tolerated for almost all of human civilization.

>We're both begging questions here.
>Ignores the great purge
History isn't your strong suit eh?

That's because you are a slut.

How do you expect criminals to go on the streets collecting garbage? Place two guards near each of them?

Got me there

Community service I guess.

Hexes went Nanking 2.0

Cleetus is fine in the woods making moonshine and living in the mountains.
Why would I force him to live any other way? Who cares if he doesn't like someone?

The same way it is done here in the states where non-violent offenders are allowed to earn money cleaning trash off the highway or helping fight fires.

The great purge mostly targeted wealthier peasants who hoarded food and collaborators from the outside. The reason why I said the /pol/ infographic was bullshit is because the vast majority of "commies" are debt slaved students like everyone else is.

>making shit up and damage control
>muh Post hoc ergo propter hoc and /pol/ boogieman
It was to consolidate power and the elimination of political opponents
Nice try, but you've already outed yourself as a dumbass who doesn't know basic history.

>2019
>Unironically defending stalin
This is even more cringe than the nazi larpers

You think in cliches.

A pot calling the kettle black isn't a argument. Neither is your damage control over historical fact.

Neither is being a manlet a proof of your intelligence Ben Shapiro.

>how dare you call me out on my bullshit! I'll throw this label on you and attack it
A straw man isn't a argument either.

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>You rarely see male slaves
I don't even

Well what do you want them to do, throw an autistic fit about? Unless they're powerful enough to fight off an entire nation they can't really do much about it. If I visit China I'm not gonna start telling everyone it's bad to eat dogs.

I came here expecting some wholesome Raphtalia
I should've known better

>nigs are uncivilized
nips are backwards. they refuse to accept liberalism because americans are the ones proposing it.

Because Japanese want an outlet for shit that happened to their parents and grandparents after WW2

Sure it does. It's a philosophical argument that compassion and kindness is the vehicle to a just life and righting wrongs in a world of injustice on a personal level, that which most individuals have the autonomy to make a difference, starting with themselves first and extending that kindness towards those around them. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it wasn't internally sound. I've been on this website since 2005, and am impressed by the statement considering what anonymity typically breeds. If you have even remotely studied philosophy you would be aware that is largely where the Buddhists come from, wisdom and compassion and letting go is what liberates us and improves life.

>nips are rejecting this
I wonder why?

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hey. you take that back.

That poor kid. Who thought that was alright to put him through?

they are writing what the audience wants and the audience wants to see jap MC rape some not!Europe slaves

>That poor kid. Who thought that was alright to put him through?
The mentally ill and degenerate deviants. It's almost a guarantee he'll pull a David Reimer when he gets older.

isekai is largely wish fulfillment and power fantasies for otaku, so slavery is just an excuse for them to have a harem. There were protagonists in older non-isekai medieval fantasy series that despised slavery.

He look like he has legit brain damage. He will never be normal. This makes me sad but angry at the same time.

>Reimer later went public with his story to help discourage similar medical practices. He died by suicide after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and a troubled marriage.

Isn't this patient zero of modern gender identity? It says he is the person in which we derive our understand that gender is learned.

>This makes me sad but angry at the same time.
Me too, I'm pretty salty about this.

ok but what about my sex slave waifu? do i get to keep that?

Why are these threads still allowed? Most of the replies here barely have anything to do with anime or manga

I'm ok with slavery but not ok with how some people treat slaves

But of course, user. She is yours for the taking.

>they refuse to accept liberalism
liberalism is the cancer that will kill the human race and the planet

Everyone who supports slavery should be made into slaves.

And who would own the slaves in this scenario? People who object to slavery?

>And who would own the slaves in this scenario
Me

Which means that you would be a slave in turn.

Nope because I don't support Slavery.

By owning a slave or any number thereof your actions dictate that you are supporting a system of slavery.
The only way to not support it in your scenario is to edict an immediate emancipation of any slave that comes into your posession.

>By owning a slave or any number thereof your actions dictate that you are supporting a system of slavery.
Nope because the slaves I own were people who support slavery.
Such I'm not actually supporting slavery by enslaving it's supporters.

Yes, you are. In fact you are going one step further than merely supporting slavery, you have propsed a systematic form of slavery based on the supposition of moralistic based ideological opposition to which you are the sole beneficiary

t. Slavery supporter
Have fun spending the rest of your years in chains cleaning my toilet and licking my cum scum.

if more of the slaves were depicted as black Yea Forums would have no issue with it.

>implying
I love blacks more than any of you white apes and would personally nuke Japan if they tried to portray black slaves in Isekai.

More like if slaves weren't cute girls Yea Forums wouldn't have issue with it.

>hundreds of years
A single generation is hundreds of years?

He obviously disapproved of the practice and bought her to rescue her from her situation. The others all find it repulsive.

I don’t know why people miss this. Just virtue signaling I guess.

I'm sure that will hold up in court.

Modern relationships feel like spiritual slavery.

Literal slavery seems almost wholesome by comparison

K. Go clean out my garage and do all the chores.

Master I already told you, I can't clean the hotglue off your figmas unless you get the special lemon pledge.

The limbs fall off otherwise

Blacks are complete shit slaves you had to whip them alot just to get them to work, most non black slaves were nice and obedient.

this. romans were slave-owners and they thought educated greeks were the most valuable slaves.

Nothing good ever came of uneducated tribals.

Maybe they refused to work because they didn't like being slaves whereas others worked because they did.

Slavery was used in America because not much white peasants wanted to move away(or could move away that is). The resident white population poor class in the Americas wasnt picking crops fast enough to generate shekels so they eventually said fuck it and decided to use slaves like the native americans or negroes as a last resort. Feudalism had in essence eliminate the need for slavery in Europe which is why its only a thing in the Americas for whitey in the middle ages.

No they are lazy lifeforms in general even arabs complained about their lack of worth ethic.

You consider someone lazy for being forced to work against their will? I call it resisting unjust conditions

I don't have a problem with it at all. Demihumans are sub human and deserve no rights anymore than a horse hauling a carriage

Again so what is the alternative to slavery? Is the slavery system mass scaled like the Atlantic or behind the scenes like Israel's slavic female slave trade? Naofumi seems to be in a country that doesnt have much slavery on a mass scale.

In a country with magic why do you need slavery?

>You consider someone lazy for being forced to work against their will?
everyone thinks like this

Well hey if they don't want to work I'm happy to whip them until the works done or they are no longer capable of working. Of course those who don't work don't eat

No, you should only fear slavery if you are dumb and worthless. 60% of people are dumb and worthless so they fear and shun slavery.

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Because slavery is cheaper and less likely to tear apart the arcane weave of the world

"It can't be helped."

you need to be crucified immediately

The mages dont like helping muggles duh.

this

>black slaves stood up for themselves while whities obeyed like the cucks that they are

Sure is helping your case

What about people born into slavery should you be allowed to enslave your own child if the mother was slave?

No one actually thinks slaves are bad.

Agree they are innocent victims the enslavers are pure evil though.

Fucking Dumbledore

Lets be honest now the people who shill for slavery are sadistic sociopaths who need humans to squeal for fun, they would get arrested normally but if they do it to a slave then its no longer illegal no matter how much they mutilate said slave for fun. Humans are complete shit compared to machine labor so mass scaled socially accepted ONLY slavery is completely obsolete in the modern world forever.

Think about people born in the hood or southern hillbilly shit holes, how many make it out from their inane and pointless lives? Cutting the losses of the unintelligent parents and enslaving them is a good idea.

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Slaves are useless though, construction workers can make statues and buildings so slave workers are not needed for that, farming corporations just lol at hordes of crop pickers so that wont work either, and so whats left?

They would even sell their mothers for a few shekels, goyim

You would be much better suited working in my families cotton fields

Only braindead ancaps think slavery is fine.

we have machines now that are much more efficient youtube.com/watch?v=GMAnEUwIs4A

Only limpwristed lowT moralfags are against slavery aka trading of goods and services

Anything a slave can do a robot can do 100 times faster and more efficient and can work 24 hours a day.

You also dont lose any money with a robot because you dont need to feed it and worry about it aging into uselessness.

They're usually from Japan so they're used to it.

I don't need to feed them. When one of the slave-things die I feed others remains. Waste not. Plus no extra refueling or electric bills

This, they see it as no different from their regular work schedule

Black slaves are for hard labor and farming hence BEASTS OF THE FIELDS and why their skin is black and low intelligence.
Average slaves are made to fight in wars.
Women and little boy slaves are for sex and torture, guro snuff.
Smart slaves are out in accounting and office type jobs.
Talented slaves are for leadership position and get out of being slaves if proven their talents like in the ottoman empire where you go from slave to one of the top positions and get your own slaves.
Slaves are also trouble since the anti slavers and slave revolts can lead to the fall of yourself and the current rulers of the country.
Add in beastmen and monster slaves and whole other books of slavery applications and rules need to be considered.

Slavery is deeper and more complex than people think.
Today's slavery is barbaric, not efficient and mostly sex trafficking/murder.

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Why do you care? He's not of relation to you and his life doesn't directly impact yours or those you care about. If people want to die or be degenerates than let'em its not your responsibility. Your only responsibility is survival.

Based and Poohpilled.

Isn't Yea Forums whole thing to kill or enslave black people and other races they deem inferior though?

How will chinks ever recover?

Slavery makes sense though. Maybe cut out the cruelty part but look at all the homeless on the west coast and east coast filling the roads and side walks with shit and needles. All the homeless in India. All the "refugees" in Europe doing literally nothing expecting government handouts.

Why shouldn't those people be forced as slaves? They aren't doing anything else with their lives.

We care because this is clearly on the verge of becoming a trend. The fact that it not only has happened, but is met with showerings of praises by other similarly mentally deficient people, suggests so. We care because it is not unreasonable to think that someday soon, this sort of thing WILL directly impact our lives and the lives of those we care about.

Your time is over old man

I'm 21, chucko

ITT: A bunch of neets who think they’d be the slave owners, not the slaves

t. paedophile

>intelligent
>huwhite
Whatever lets you sleep at night, nigger.
BASED paedophile standing up for the right to parade an 11 year old in makeup around gaybars, making him dance for money.

You (most likely) don't find patriarchy repulsive. Why should isekai protagonists find slavery, same kind of thing but more intense, repulsive if they are BENEFITTING from it?

Employers realized that all you had to do is give people the ability to choose your slaver and then suddenly everyone is okay with it. Illusion of freedom.

it is not slavery if you are getting paid and can choose your job and leave it.

You can't stop needing the job to pay your bills so the choice is an illusion. Illusion of freedom.

He is an evil man and has no morals. The only person more repulsive than him is the bitch.

it is a different system user doesn't mean it doesn't suck

You can choose what job you want. Most people are too afraid, too stupid, or too ignorant to find a job they like. A slave doesn't get to choose.

T. /pol/tards

This. The idea that you can buy a young female slave for a handful of copper (or a few worthless RPG gold coins) is absurd. They're an expensive luxury, most commoners could never afford one, even at war time. With isekai slave prices, any drooling imbecile could become the brothel tycoon of isekai land in a matter of months.

Woah, an "if people don't benefit from a system it means they are stupid" argument! The entire system is built upon the premise of MAKING people to do something against their will. If everyone were capitalists noone would turn up for work. The point of this system is to manouvre everyone in such a position that they HAVE TO work, HAVE TO find a job and HAVE TO obey, produce and consume. Choice is fucking irrelevant, whatever your choice is it is beneficial to the system of oppression as it is a support for it.
This system is not even perceived THAT better than medieval or slave mode of production. Quiet life in the village is romanticized a whole deal lot more than slaving on under some fat capitalist.

Just kill some bandits in their sleep for the bounties.

Guess what loser? I have the power to do that which means I am in the right.
I will get many little boys as I want and have them fucked by big dick dogs and there’s nothing you can do.

There are different kinds of slavery Sherlock.

if the world hated me I would stage and uprising with the slaves.

i would assume koreans believe that.

Being against owning slaves makes you anti-Semitic. You know who else was anti-Semitic? Hitler.

Isekai like this is intended for people with no confidence and no life-experiences who want to sit back and live vicariously through a hero who's doing whatever he wants while being pampered by girls and always able to bullshit up a power to save the day. Shield Hero is absolutely no exception to this, the only thing different about it is that it also validates the victim-complex of these kinds of people with Naofumi's unjust accusation.

Slavery is so popular in these because it's wish-fulfillment - the reader genuinely cannot relate to or even imagine a girl with agency in her life being genuinely interested with him, so he makes up a scenario where she's forced to be around him and has no other options.

It isn't even a fetish for control either, because as people have pointed out he actually treats his slaves well. It'd be less sad if it was simply a fetish but it's actually less a fondness for slavery and more an all-consuming terror of the girl caring about anything other than him and being able to act on it. It is a pathetic thing to witness.

The idea of an isekai'd hero introducing modern values and leading a rebellion to free slaves could actually be pretty fun. Pity Japs are so beta that such a thing would never appeal to them.

based

#metoo

>A slave doesn't get to choose
Actually user, they do.

The only thing that the anime ever had going for it at any point was the manufactured controversy.

Yeah...there are a few things about that too.
I could rant about isekai socio-economies for hours. But what's the point? Neither the readers nor the authors care about decent world-building. The only thing they care about are naked 10 yo girls in sexual settings.

Authors caring and being capable of writing it are different things.

>IF YOU WERE A WEAKLING KEK WOULD BEING A WEAKLING KEK BE OK
Christ.

I always thought it's more of a white saviour complex than a fear of woman running away. Like, slave-wives never run away even if they are presented with the opportunity, if there was a fear of that thing it would be adressed somehow in at least one isekai, instead it never comes up.

What isekais have, however, is the idea of being better at anything others do. If he is a slave owner his slaves are treated the best. If he is a hero he is so heroic it makes other heroes look like hypocrites. That's the thing of isekais: they are wish-fulfilment, not a commentary on fears or interests.

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It's called working retail

What exactly is wrong with the world building in Narnia? Or in The Land?

>fiction isn't a commentary
Not exactly anything new here user.

Are you ok?

Everything people write is a commentary.

Wrong. That's like saying that everything people write is fiction. It makes the words themselves useless.

The real question is why is she ok with being a slave. The MC wouldn’t treat her any different if she wasn’t one anymore.

No the real question is why secondaries and other shitters always ask questions that can be answered if they simply read the source material, but that's a rhetorical question as well.

People perceive things and write what they perceive rather than the thing they perceive itself. It's a commentary in that sense, and it's the same thing I meant with
>not a commentary on fears or interests
Sorry if you are confused

Don't blame that user, "professors" tell thier students this all the time

Try finding a job at ALDI. They've figured out that actually treating your employees well instead of just pretending to treat them well makes a huge difference in work morale and work quality.

All isekai writers need to do to justify slavery is some kind of mental manipulation, like, slaves have to obey orders and therefore slavery may be an actual benefit to slaves. Like psychotherapy, but a lot more direct or something.

heh

>The entire system is built upon the premise of MAKING people to do something against their will

Can you explain, please?

It's because, to further coddle the audience, the story heavily utilizes videogame logic and limitations to fill all plotholes and explain why the slavery is vital. The girl literally gets stat bonuses when she's counted as his slave which go away if she is freed. I'm not kidding.

Fans use the same logic with this to explain why the MC isn't believed by any of the other heroes. 'They're playing a game and the NPCs are telling them Naofumi is bad! Of COURSE they'd take them at face value!'

It's bad writing.

I think it might just be the same thing that makes gatcha games popular, the endorphin rush you get when you're able to say 'this anime girl is mine and belongs to me'.

Don't see need to justify it. It's a different world entirely with a entirely different set of morals and values. Going there and then demanding the entire world bows to your vision of what the world should behave like is just you being a coloniser.

>It's bad writing.
You're not writing though, you're typing. It's called shitposting on Yea Forums.

How is showing compassion and kindness self serving? Even if makes you feel good, it makes other people feel good too, so everyone's happier than they were before.

Refusing to read words broadly is the same kind of mistake when you always read them broadly. You need to read what other person meant, it's the basis of communication. If they put a broad meaning into a word then you do it too, if they put a narrow meaning you try as well.

If everyone will do whatever they want there won't be enough resources to feed, cloth and whatever everyone. So people's wishes and doings are boxed into a mix of mentality, circumstances and needs that makes people do what society needs rather than what each individual person needs. It is certainly more efficient system than to rely on people's best judgement. Common good, joined effort, separation of labor, all that kind of stuff.

Critiquing something you like isn't shitposting just because it hurts your feelings, user. You can always go back to the Boku No Hero Academia thread if you get upset.

You are assuming natives' view on things is better than yours. It's appeal to nature fallacy, but not quite -- an assumption that others' society is always just-er than yours and yours' ideal society.

Being a colonizer isn't inherently bad. When the British went to India, they fucked up a lot of shit and killed a lot of people, but they also abolished the practice of burning women alive when their husbands died. When the Spanish went to South America, the human sacrifices stopped. After Australia was colonized, Aboriginal life-expectancy went from 28 to 70.

That's the benefit of capitalism. When a job that no one wants to do becomes so unpopular and unwanted, then the wages of the job will rise. This is why trade school jobs are so much more profitable right now.

When in Rome, OP.

This in the end.

BIG THONK

To be fair, raph is literally a subhuman. It would be like being upset about zoos or prisons in this world.

I dunno, in imperial Rome at its height, slaves were pretty cheap. Someone of median means could easily buy a slave if he really wanted one.

Depends on the slave. An uneducated male barbarian who's only good for strictly supervised galley or mine work didn't cost much. But for a pretty young girl you had to pay the equivalent of several yearly wages.

stop being a drama queen. slavery + a bit of free time = corporate slaving

Has anyone of you read this book?

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So what you are telling is that this isn't the thread

>Aboriginal life-expectancy went from 28 to 70.
The few surviving ones you mean. It's true that colonizers managed to abolish terrible practices but in return they caused massive genocides and throughly fucked over the societies of the natives for centuries to come.

when in rome do as the romans do

>throughly fucked over the societies of the natives for centuries to come
Nigger, they were already fucked. It's funny how people proudly say how they had 6000 years of history or whatever the fuck, when they still hadn't figured out how to fucking farm animals or food by the time colonists came.

I don't think I've seen a more lazy and pathetic fucking race than Abbos.

>he thinks the modern world isn't full of slavery

If you compromise your own personal morals for the sake of conformity, then you're just a little bitch.

Ripping off a bandaid. They had almost no technology to speak of, most of them didn't even know how to create fire, they didn't have animal domestication, and a single natural disaster like a bushfire or flood was enough to wipe out entire tribes off the map.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that stuff like active attempts at genocide or the introduction of disease which killed the majority of them is good, but there's a legit argument to be made in regards to enforcing your own standards on others. Abolishing slavery in a country where slavery was previously allowed doesn't make you a bad person.

I'd like to say Kant, but while you can lead the horse to water, you can't make it think.

Just because you're jaded doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Society made you its bitch. You don't even have the mental fortitude to uphold your own morals. You're just a loser, user.

>1488

Modern politics and philosophy heavily influence thinking. We're talking about a social construct in anime or manga. You can't really expect anything else, user.

why is this stupid thread still up?

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because you touch yourself at night
also because real slavery has never been tried

Slavery isn't bad

Yet in the end he raised her like a father would (mostly)

I give that a thumbs up

Good post, good get

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