Is anime at an all time low or an all time high. I can't tell

Neither. The all-time-high was between the very late 80s and the mid-to-late 90s, maybe including the very early 2000s at most.
The all-time-low was the mid 2000s, when they switched to digital animation at large (which was not yet developed enough), mainly concentrated on adaptations of successful manga that spoke to the least common denominator. Naruto, Bleach, shit like that.
Right now, I'd say we're somewhere near a local peak. Last year was good, all things considered. This year is a bit of a drop in comparison so far. We'll see whether the downwards trend continues.

>2011 was the last big high.
What was so good about 2011 that you consider it a "high"?

Definitely at a low point. Despite an absurd number of shows being produced, there are fewer standouts, only a handful of shows that really feel like they'll have any enduring quality.

>the exact same cliche anime tropes over and over again
Bullshit. There aren't even any tropes specific to anime. Storytelling is storytelling, across all forms of media, and anime uses the same tropes you find in Ancient Greek plays, Rennaisance novels, Hitchcock's films or cheap TV serials.
And there's nothing wrong with making use of certain tropes. If there was a story without any of them, it'd be the blandest thing ever written.

The anime high in Japan was probably the early to mid 90s, you had Sailor Moon, YYH, DBZ, Gundam Wing, NGE,...

>there are fewer standouts
There never were many standouts. You're just throwing the best of the older things together into eras that span a decade and thus think there are many of them. But if you looked at them season by season, as you do with contemporary anime, you wouldn't find a higher density of genuinely good examples.

There's a key difference between using basic similarities and influences, and "whoops, you saw my panties". Most anime are lazy ads for merchandise, and don't deserve your respect

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If we take the average anime is at an alltime ok.

>DBZ, Gundam Wing,
While I agree with your assessment in general, those two are definitely not good examples. In fact, both were worse installments of their own respective franchise than what had come before. Dragon Ball Z was trash compared to the original Dragon Ball. And Gundam Wing simply can't compete with most of the Gundam anime of the 80s and early 90s.

>"whoops, you saw my panties"
If you think that's what anime do, or what they're about, you're definitely watching the wrong anime.

>What was so good about 2011 that you consider it a "high"?
Not only that year but also the preceding one. Star Driver, Sora no Woto, Penguindrum, Madoka, and Steins;Gate are all favorites of mine. I like that era because that's when I watched most of my favorites.

This isn't a case of "right" and "wrong" its about majority. That's a basic surmation of what most anime is about, which is what the thread is about dumbfuck

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it's in neither. we're just riding the waves in chill waters.

Bitch you can not honestly be watching a good amount of anime every season and tell me you don't see anime specific tropes a whole lot.
There's been great anime out there but if you don't see that there's a lot of weeb-bait trash these past couple years regardless of other time periods you're delusional

Those are some spicy opinions right there

DBZ might be less good than the original but was and still is tremendously popular in Japan and worldwide, so much that we still have sequels being made for it.

Same for Wing, might be worse than other Gundam series but had popularity with its characters.

Anime is always at an all time low.

Really not that spicy. DBZ is entry tier bullshit, and anything outside UC is generally despised. G is really the only exception

No, I can look at shit from any year at random and there's more noteworthy and higher-quality shows than in the last ~3 years which have been a ceaseless parade of mediocrity. Don't fucking assume I'm as dumb as you are.

Im not sure if this is just bias because were more cognizant of what's going on now. I feel like there is more anime in general with fewer percentage of standouts but that's just probably because I wasn't paying attention to all the shit that was around past standouts.

Gundam I get, but I don't why I see this opinion more lately here about Dragon Ball, DB was good and all but DBZs saiyan arc through cell saga was just as good as DB apart from filler but with a different appeal. A lot of DB only holds up because it doesn't take itself as seriously for a lot of the time. Nearly every problem people seem to have with Z can be found in DB too.

I'll admit its been years since I've watched Z, but everything is just dragged out to a point that was never done in DB, and really brings it down. I don't think DB is some kind of masterpiece that Z ruined mind you, I just think the difference in quality is pretty clear. *insert something about super saiyan ruining everything*

Sorry, but that doesn't make it an objectively good year. None of the examples you named are generally regaraded as highly as you regard them. And when it comes to production value and technical aspects, they don't come close to most things from before 2000.

>you can not honestly be watching a good amount of anime every season and tell me you don't see anime specific tropes a whole lot.
Yes, I can. Mainly because I've read and watched enough non-anime/manga things to know that those "anime specific tropes" are not specific to anime at all. All you're proving is a lack of experience in narrative media as a whole.

How many anime from the last three years have you seen? And how many anime from, let's say, 1974 to 1976? There, you have your answer.
It'd also be interesting which ones you've seen: From within the last three years, I bet you've seen mostly the most mainstream and hyped shit.
From the 70s to 90s ... probably only those that have proven themselves over time.

>That's a basic surmation of what most anime is about
>"oh no you saw my panties"
Except it's not retard. Harems don't make up 90% of a season.

>they don't come close to most things from before 2000
Ehh, I'd agree if you were comparing it to the 80s in general, but the 90s and the fallout of the economic saw some pretty terrible downgrades.

Sex sells, and anime is no exception. Nips gotta sell their plastic somehow. You're either avoiding the obviously shit shows every season (as you should be doing anyway), or have been watching for long enough to not register all the sexually undertones in nearly every TV anime series. Its really fucking pervasive This is all ignoring the fact harem DOES take up a massive percentage of seasonal garbage

>the 90s and the fallout of the economic saw some pretty terrible downgrades.
You're pretty much alone with that opinion. The 90s were the height of cel-animation. The early 80s in particular had significantly lower animation quality than the 90s.

Ok. When are you leaving grandpa?

>sex == bad
Let me guess, you're an American, right?

Sounds like anime is not for you. Why are you here then?

People here that watch "seasonal garbage" at least enjoy what they watch. You're just a bitter old fuck.

How is anything I'm saying implying sex=bad? Anime being deeply steeped in sex is nothing new. There's not a single anime fan out there that hasn't amassed a vast collection of related porn.

Yes it's true sex sells. It's pretty obvious when everything in the world is preying on consumers. So what? There are shows, manga, VNs even that has none of that. I fail to see what you're saying. You're just narrow minded.

>There's not a single anime fan out there that hasn't amassed a vast collection of related porn.
There insn't any adult human being out there in this day and age that hasn't a vast collection of porn. So what's your point?
Also, you are clearly talking down on anime in general on the sole basis of some of it having saxual undertones. Obviously you must think that that in itself is a bad thing, unless you don't even consider your own criticism valid.

>every depiction of sex in anime="oh no you saw my panties"

>How is anything I'm saying implying sex=bad
>Sex sells, and anime is no exception. Nips gotta sell their plastic somehow.
>You're either avoiding the obviously shit shows every season
>the obviously shit shows
>sex sells
Gee, I wonder.

Of course there are shows that don't have any sexualised content in them. Its just tiresome when its the same specific tropes regarding sex again and again

>Also, you are clearly talking down on anime in general on the sole basis of some of it having saxual undertones
Seeing some anime chick with big flapping tits got me excited when I was 13. I've seen it so often it doesn't do anything for me. All I can think of when I see something like this anymore is "Yep, those sure are some boobs"

These shows would be shit regardless of if they removed all the sex. Probably worse because then you couldn't even edge to them

>All I can think of when I see something like this anymore is "Yep, those sure are some boobs"
So what? Just because something has sexually arrousing moments, that doesn't mean it can't have anything else. You're literally treating it as if sexual humour or or a sex scene ruined the whole narrative just because you can't find it engaging. That's stupid.
By the way: It's not only anime that uses sex-tropes. Which brings us back to an earlier point: TV shows use sex. Books use sex. Shakespeare is full of sex. Just like Goethe, Dante and Hugo. But for some reason, you only seem to notice this in anime. I think we can at this point deduce that your level of education is astoundishingly low.

>These shows would be shit regardless of if they removed all the sex. Probably worse because then you couldn't even edge to them
So you wrote a nonsequitur? 90% of your posts are shit user.

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You're not considering how much abject trash is produced in other mediums because most of it is so shit you've never even heard of it.
Anime was protected from this by virtue of there being a barrier to entry in the form of relative scarcity when it comes to production studios that can make something which actually qualifies as "anime". There was no way that would remain the case forever though.

>Just because something has sexually arrousing moments, that doesn't mean it can't have anything else
The conversation never stopped being about tropes. Whether or not these tropes are all consuming or anime specific is irrelevant. These tropes exist in anime, and they're lazy

>You're literally treating it as if sexual humour or or a sex scene ruined the whole narrative
My remark here about seasonal garbage is not implying these shows are made bad by these inclusions. They're just the most likely candidates to include these bottom of the barrel kind of scenarios.

Sexual humour/sex scenes are not what I'm talking about, anyway. Most sexual depections in anime, and other mediums since you're so uptight about that, aren't exactly classy. The kind most popular in anime, this childish awkwardness and embarassment about the very subjects of sex and nudity, is what I was referring to. Its a trope; pointing out it is one was all I was ever doing

>But for some reason, you only seem to notice this in anime
Last time I checked this was the anime and manga board. I'm gonna talk about anime and manga

The inclusion of sex doesn't make these shows automatically bad. Its not a particularily difficult concept to grasp that I can not like certain depections of sex, yet still perfectly enjoy other depections of it.

>90% of your posts are shit user.
Glad you liked the other 10%

Creatively it's at an all-time low.
Commercially at an all-time high.
by creatively I mean in animation and artwork quality, not lack of original ideas

>watching anime at all
Majority of stuff has always sucked, movies are usually good, just read manga and LNs

>filler moe trash
Doesn't exist. Confirmed for not actually watching anime.

>Most anime are lazy ads for merchandise
Myth.

>That's a basic surmation of what most anime is about
Obviously you don't watch anime.

Weebs are not a target audience for the anime industry. Something isn't bait just because you don't like it.

>Sex sells, and anime is no exception.
Sex is in such overabundance in Japan that people aren't going to buy an expensive bluray set just because there's some ecchi in the show.

>This is all ignoring the fact harem DOES take up a massive percentage of seasonal garbage
Seasonal doesn't even mean anything.

The problem with the anime community is that almost nobody in it watches anime. They just talk about it.

>You're pretty much alone with that opinion.
>The 90s were the height of cel-animation.
Holy shit, yikes.

Anime will be dead in 5 years.

>"The problem with the anime community is that almost nobody in it watches anime"
>is on an imageboard

This post is correct, thread over.

Yeah, and very few people here watch anime.

>Its a trope; pointing out it is one was all I was ever doing
You were quite obviously applying quality attributes to the tropes user. If you want to separate quality and existence, you might want to define what you mean by "lazy".

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>Sexual humour/sex scenes are not what I'm talking about, anyway.
Yes, you are. You made it a specific point. Brought it up as a "anime-only trope", which at least you now admit is not the case. Then went on and on about how it's a bad thing.

>Most sexual depections [...] aren't exactly classy.
So what? Sometimes they aren't supposed to be. Sometimes they're supposed to be funny. Sometimes scandalous, problematic, metaphorical. Sometimes even repulsive. There's a lot more to sexuality in storytelling than you make it out to be.

>Last time I checked this was the anime and manga board. I'm gonna talk about anime and manga
So you're implying that while you only talk about anime, you in fact consider all forms of narrative media, including classic literature, "trash"?

Compare early 70s cel animation to early 80s cel animation to early 90s cel animation. Unless you're blind, you'll spot a clear qualitative difference.

>You were quite obviously applying quality attributes
You are correct, I was doing this in my post. I think they're trash, but I'm not trying to convince you it is or isn't; just that it's there.

>might want to define what you mean by "lazy".
Low effort scenes. A scene where the MC makes some sexual innuendo and gets the girl embarassed usually doesn't strike me as a scene someone explicitly wanted in their show. More of a checkbox to fill

>Yes, you are. You made it a specific point. Brought it up as a "anime-only trope"
I'm not this guy
I entered the conversation to say these tropes exist regardless. I'm not talking about "sex humour/sex scenes" in a broad sense, but the specific kinds of scenes that are most common in anime.

>Sometimes they're supposed to be funny. Sometimes scandalous, problematic, metaphorical. Sometimes even repulsive.
All of these things can be done with class. Most of the time its not, and very cynical

>you in fact consider all forms of narrative media, including classic literature, "trash"?
I don't where you picked this up from, but yes, most narrative media is bad. I don't believe you if you think most books out there are good. Even if many creators have good intentions, it doesn't mean they'll be able to pull something off

>classic literature
Fuck off with this meme. Just cus something has a lot of reverance around it doesn't mean its somehow better than everything else

>I entered the conversation to say these tropes exist regardless.
That "tropes exist" was never in doubt from anyone here. The point was that tropes don't make anything bad and that they're not exclusive to anime either. Both of which you have already agreed to. So you were missing the point from the very beginning.

>All of these things can be done with class.
They don't have to be done with class. And no, when you show rape to make a point about it, it can't be done "with class". If you want to literally disgust your viewers/readers with profanity, that can't be done "with class".
And who even defines "class" in that context? You? Me? A democratic majority?

>very cynical
So now we went from "sex is bad" to "cynicism is bad"? Really? Shall we have that same argument again, just over some different trope?

>most narrative media is bad
Bad compared to what, exactly? What's the standard you apply? You're generalizing a lot.

>Just cus something has a lot of reverance around it doesn't mean its somehow better than everything else
No, but you just dismissed the whole canon of international literature. That says more about you than about the artform.

>Low effort scenes
How can you judge that as a viewer? You didn't participate the anime-making progress.
Maybe the people who made it spent a lot of time to make fanservice parts enjoyable, even more so than the plot-advancing scenes.

>early 70s cel animation
Irrelevant
>early 80s cel animation to early 90s cel animation
And if you compare mid-to-late 80s animation to mid-to-late 90s animation you'll notice a huge downgrade in the fluidity and production value as anime shifts from high-budget OVAs to seasonal TV broadcasts. Unless you're talking about purely in terms of scanning technology like APT or automated Xerox coloring while ignoring how OVAs like Urotsukidouji and Cream Lemon invariably degrade in actual movement from the 80s to the 90s, in which case you're too stupid for me to engage with further.

TV anime has always been the main attraction. OVAs were short-lived, and only some of them had really high production quality. The quality of TV anime increased in the 90s.

>Low effort scenes. A scene where the MC makes some sexual innuendo and gets the girl embarassed usually doesn't strike me as a scene someone explicitly wanted in their show. More of a checkbox to fill
What baffling ignorance. Hate on shows like Eromanga-sensei all you want, but the point of the shows IS those scenes. You might dislike the point, but they definitely explicitly wanted them in their show.

>The point was that tropes don't make anything bad and that they're not exclusive to anime either. Both of which you have already agreed to.
So why bother keep on responding to me? As far as you're concerned, you've won.

>And no, when you show rape to make a point about it, it can't be done "with class"
Goblin Slayer's first episode rape scene isn't classy because it only exists for shock value. It doesn't mean anything. I don't think anything when I see this scene, because there's nothing to it. Griffith raping Casca in Berserk is classy because it exists outside of pure shock value. The scene is an important narrative climax for all the main characters, and has the entire build--up of the Golden Age behind it. You understand exactly who these characters are, what this rape means to them, and why it was commited. This scene makes me physically sick to my stomach everytime I read it. Everything can be done with class, and is never made worse because of it.

>Bad compared to what, exactly?
What's good in its respective artform. And before you say "You're genralizing a lot", how much detail do you want me to get into here? List everything I think is "good" and "bad"? List my entire 0-10 ranking system? No one's going to do that, and asking that is absurd.

>No, but you just dismissed the whole canon of international literature. That says more about you than about the artform.
So? Why should I care about "dismissing the whole canon of international literature"? Its not as if I owe Chaucer and the like anything. Moreover, why do you even care?

>You didn't participate the anime-making progress.
True, but its sometimes pretty apparent what shows were made by people who cared and didn't. Yuri on Ice gets a lot of criticisim, but its of far higher quality than most of its contemporaries. Animation Quality is higher, direction is more delibrate, continued to work on the visuals to make the BDs better etc.

>you'll notice a huge downgrade in the fluidity and production value as anime shifts from high-budget OVAs to seasonal TV broadcasts
No, I don't. You obviously can't compare OVA to TV series. You don't see any downgrade in fluidity in Urotsukidouji. If anything, the early 90s Urotsukidouji episodes are more elaborately animated than the earlier ones. But, really, there's not much of a difference.
You will also notice that long running TV franchises definitely improved over the years when it came to animation quality. Look at the very first Gundam installments and compare them to early 90s Gundam or mid 90s Gundam. The animation did improve.
Your argument gets incredibly weak if we look at the 80s as a whole and not only the late 80s that's basically indistiguishable from the early 90s and had some incredibly high-budget examples.
Yes, overall late 80s to mid 90s was better than the very late 90s which already partially dabbled in CG effects anyway. But the early 80s weren't.

>the quality of cel animation increased in the 90s
>"but it didn't, notice how one of the highest quality forms of animation declined from the 80s to the 90s"
>uhhh let me shift goalposts to TV anime
ok

With Eromanga Sensei's case that's more or less the premise of the show. I may not like it is, but it is what it is. Its when these elements are put into otherwise non-smutty shows that I groan

TV anime has always been the dominant form of anime, and its quality increased in the 90s. OVAs were a flash in the pan.

We're in a good period overall, but this is an unsalvageable season (sandwiched between a great season and what looks like another great season). Naming the best period for anime is just like naming a favorite anime: It's for people with a power level under 100.

>animation companies shut down
>less and less young people want to be animators
>the amount of series produced dropping each year

It took a while, but we're on the highway to hell now, buddy

>So why bother keep on responding to me? As far as you're concerned, you've won.
Because it's not about "winning". I get that you debate to win, but most people are actually interested in an open debate.

>it only exists for shock value. It doesn't mean anything.
Does it? I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of that series, but it's quite obvious that the rape establishes an important part of the setting.

>Griffith raping Casca in Berserk is classy
Please give me your definition of "classy".

>List everything I think is "good" and "bad"?
No, you could just start making postive claims instead of negative ones.

>my entire 0-10 ranking system?
That you even have a system to rate things from 0 to 10 is pretty damning. Do you also use MAL?

>Why should I care about "dismissing the whole canon of international literature"?
You don't have to. But you aren't gaining any credibility by doing that.

Production minutes have been increasing, not decreasing. And one of the problems constantly cited with the industry is overproduction.

>Naming the best period for anime is just like naming a favorite anime: It's for people with a power level under 100.
This is the stupidest shit I've read in 24 hours. Everyone across all powerlevels has a favorite.

>You don't see any downgrade in fluidity in Urotsukidouji
>the early 90s Urotsukidouji episodes are more elaborately animated
What the actual fuck is this opinion. By the last few OVAs, Urotsukidouji had degraded from consistent sakuga to 30% still pans.
>You obviously can't compare OVA to TV series
Except this argument stems from the idea that animation as a whole increased in quality from the 80s to the 90s. The decline of one of the most high-quality avenues for animation is absolutely relevant to the quality of animation as a whole.
>Your argument gets incredibly weak if we look at the 80s as a whole and not only the late 80s that's basically indistiguishable from the early 90s and had some incredibly high-budget examples.
But it doesn't, and the things like Urotsukidouji and Cream Lemon started in the mid-80s. Then again, you probably wrote this part of the post checked out on OVAs entirely, in which case see the above again.

Only "muh 90s" super casuals who think that all anime should be Cowboy Bebop and/or DBZ with a sprinkling of "muh 80s".

>but most people are actually interested in an open debate
Fair enough, but its not like this debate is reaching a wide audience

>but it's quite obvious that the rape establishes an important part of the setting
I suppose, I'll concede a bit on that one

>Please give me your definition of "classy"
Literally everything after that you speedreading fuck

>That you even have a system to rate things from 0 to 10 is pretty damning.
You're the one seemingly asking for it. Be more specific if you react so strongly to the mere suggestion of something like a ranking system

>You don't have to. But you aren't gaining any credibility by doing that.
How so? Why are the "classics" so unfathomably better than everything else that to not call them hotshit would invalidate my entire opinion? Did you study really hard for that Literature degree by the way?

>The decline of one of a consistently high-budget medium of animation is irrelevant
>People that worked on TV anime erupted out of the ether and didn't work on more well-animated OVAs

TV anime is the dominant form of anime whether you like it or not. The quality of TV anime increased in the 90s whether you like it or not. OVAs were a flash in the pan whether you like it or not. Your opinions are irrelevant.

>b-but--
No.

>Its when these elements are put into otherwise non-smutty shows that I groan
Such as? Give examples. By the way, conceding the premise of the show defense is equivalent to c conceding most harems.

>consistent sakuga
>30% still pans
You're overselling the first Urotsukidouji, which definitely had weaknesses and it's own fair share of static animation and short loop cycles.
And you're seriously underselling the later Urotsukidouji which still had the same great animation as the earlier OVA.

>The decline of one of the most high-quality avenues for animation is absolutely relevant to the quality of animation as a whole.
Compare like to like. That's all I'm saying. Your argument that the 90s had more TV anime plays no role at all when we talk about quality.

>things like Urotsukidouji and Cream Lemon started in the mid-80s.
Urotsukidouji started in the summer (I think) of 87. That's not "mid 80s".
Cream Lemon, yes, was mid-80s. But I'm not that familiar with that one.

Wrong post? Does that have anything to do with what I said? I said that everyone has a favorite anime. If you do not, or say you do not, you're just some phony trying to act like a critic.

From the outset most LN battle school scenarios like Hundred, aren't "smutty". And most of the time it isn't, but then every so often they throw these kinds of scenes in without any other purpose than to titilate. Which is fine on its own I suppose, but at that point why aren't you just watching Seikon no Qwaser? Or actual hentai?

>most harems
Keyword most. I don't know if you'd count something like Little Busters as a harem, but from what memory serves it was pretty light. And no, the original VN wasn't an eroge, only the later expansion was

>It's another "I ignore an entire major channel of animation" post to serve my point
>It's another "I ignore how the economic bubble supported release of high-budget passion projects through OVAs"
>It's another "I ignore how people who had worked on higher quality OVAs transitioned to working on lower-quality TV animation as the market tightened"
>It's another "Pointing out basic anime history is an opinion"
Yikes, bye.

>Literally everything after that you speedreading fuck
Just because something has relevancy to the characters that doesn't make it "classy". Not if we go by the generally accepted definition at least. But, hey, if that's what your defninition amounts to, that's okay. In that case, it can be done with class. And most narratives do so.

>Why are the "classics" so unfathomably better than everything else
That's not my argument. My argument is that if you dismiss literally every single instance of a huge field of narrative media, for nothing but it using tropes you don't like, that's extremely superficial. Especially because it leaves pretty much nothing that you don't dismiss by principle.

Anime peaked with Kemono Friends S1, and then went to an all time low with KF2.

>Urotsukidouji started in the summer (I think) of 87. That's not "mid 80s".
No, Urotsukidouji started in 1986.
>Cream Lemon, yes, was mid-80s. But I'm not that familiar with that one.
>I'm not familiar with unironically one of the most important works of anime ever made
You just outed yourself.

>b-but--
No.

>From the outset most LN battle school scenarios like Hundred, aren't "smutty".
Uh yes they are, they literally exist for wish-fulfillment and waifus. The premise of something like Infinite Stratos isn't "battle school", it's "guy goes to all-girl school, has OP powers, and gets a harem"
Do you not have basic media literacy?

ITT: autism

>Just because something has relevancy to the characters that doesn't make it "classy".
>The scene is an important narrative climax for all the main characters, and has the entire build--up of the Golden Age behind it. You understand exactly who these characters are, what this rape means to them, and why it was commited.
>You understand exactly who these characters are, what this rape means to them, and why it was commited.
You just literally explained that the Berserk scene was classy in the same way. Unless you have another definition of classy outside of examples, in which case go ahead.

Oh shit, I read the thread wrong, carry on.

Back in my day we used to have this stuff called 'anime' but it got killed off by garbage trope-riddled moeshit back in the 90s. You kids wouldn't understand.

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>No, Urotsukidouji started in 1986.

>myanimelist.net/anime/2341/Choujin_Densetsu_Urotsukidouji
Aired: Jan 21, 1987 to Apr 10, 1989
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukidōji
Released 21 January 1987 – 28 December 1996

I think you're confusing it with the manga. Or maybe you're saying that production started in 86? I do hope you're not refering to the manga, because that has nothing to do with the OVA's quality. Anyway, seems I was wrong too and it was not summer, but January. Still not exactly mid 80s.

>You just outed yourself.
Outed myself? Because I'm not familiar with one specific thing you like? If you want to play that game, I'm sure we can find something you're not too familiar with. You are displaying obvious traits of a shitposter right now, going for a weak ad-hominem instead of even trying to make an argument.

These LNs and anime do exist for wish-fulfillment and waifus, but the base premise can be divorced from that. IS is also one of the most egregious of what you're talking about, and not entirely representative of the genre. Eromanga Sensei's premise is that a brother and sister connect through the sister being an erotic mangaka. There's no divorcing that from fanservice

Are you even aware who you're quoting? Those two posts are not the same person

Based oldfag poster, back in the 80's we had real anime like Creamy Mami and Urusei Yatsura, no waifu moeshit at all.

I was talking about favorite time periods in that post, but favorite anime is also low powerlevels. There was a time where I could name a single favorite. Then there was a time where I could narrow it down to two. Now, 15-20 years after Toonami introduced me to anime, that's basically impossible. It's the same for videogames.

Ask a long time buff of any expansive medium what their #1 favorite show/game/movie/book/event/whatever is, and I'd be surprised if all but a tiny minority were able to come back with less than five.

>going for a weak ad-hominem instead of even trying to make an argument.
>either he doesn't even know what an ad hominem is or he doesn't understand the argument being made

Case in point. And now fuck off, troll.

Some years ago I watched this disgusting anime called Flying Witch, and there's no way anyone in the 80s would have made a moesolshit pedoanime about the daily life of a witch moving into a new city.

Have another funny one

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Anime is mostly about ¥¥¥ and only ¥¥¥ now.

>the base premise can be divorced from that
Ah yes, in the same way the base premise of Berserk is actually just "fantasy world" and all the rape and death is edgelord dressing.

>the daily life of a witch moving into a new city.
Holy shit, can you imagine anything more degenerate.

>I don't want to wave around 9000 messages
>04/16/1996
Oh shit, is this part of history?

You can't make that shit up, can you? "Otakuism". Exactly the kind of anime elitist that Miyasaki means when he talks about those who are actually ruining anime.

Some of these old posts are fascinating to read.

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see >either he doesn't even know what an ad hominem is or he doesn't understand the argument being made
>it_was_both.jpg

Miyazaki was talking about figments of his own imagination. He's been isolated at Ghibli for decades and has no idea what's going on outside.

>anime is getting better
>anime is the best it's ever been
are there any opinions more plen than these?

That's actually really interesting how the post has to explain technical details like bytes and pixels since it was 1988. It's giving me a nostalgia boner for a time I didn't even know. That he actually gives out his university emails and mail address at the bottom is so weirdly benign that seeing it now is kind of depressing.
>Lum, Dirty Pair, Nausicaa, and Calvin and Hobbes
Great taste.

>If anyone has any better method of converting the images to black and white
Yes, I have lots of better ways of "converting the images to black and white". It's called binary encoding (gives you 8 greyscale values per three bit block) plus goddamn compression. Huffmann trees, in the most basic case.

Also: Always fun to hear laymen ramble about computer science basics as if they were somehow

Anyway ... wonder if those pics are still around somewhere.

Why does it matter? Watch what you yourself enjoy.

Why be a mindless drone listening to others' opinions

>110 replies
I've seen better but still not bad, decent amount of (you)s to be had.

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It's not explaining pixels and bytes, it's just providing details. In 1988 the internet wasn't open to the public and was largely used by STEM types, and in general computer users had a higher degree of technical literacy than today.

Anime was at an all time high when it started pandering hard to otaku around the early-mid 2000 along with the moe movement made out of pure, unadulterated love for it and everything otaku but degenerated into a repetitive commercial mess of shit. Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.

Something isn't pandering just because you don't like it.

>degenerated into a repetitive commercial mess of shit
This is a meme and never happened.

>just because you don't like it
Oh, I love it.

You just called it pandering. That's not a compliment, that's an accusation.

otaku pandering peaked with daicon iv. prove me wrong.

Same here. All time high production all time low quality.

The last show that I enjoyed was Tonegawa about a year ago, so it is definitely at an all time low.

This.

You two either watch the wrong things to begin with or have a very limited taste.

2018 was just an awful year as a whole, the only other enjoyable/memorable shows were Lupin and Pop Team Epic

>Is anime at an all time low or an all time high. I can't tell
It's at an all time forgettable. The stuff coming out nowadays isn't offensively bad or anything. It's all just extremely sterilized and forgettable, and to be honest that is probably worse than being straight up bad. There were plenty of old bad anime that I still think about and remember fondly. Anime in this generation is completely and utterly disposable to the point where I forget most of what comes out in a season almost right after it airs.

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Agree on Lupin. Heavily disagree on the rest. 2018 was way better than 2017. And better than 2019 so far. Especially when it comes to narrative focus and originality.
Yes, it had some spectacular failures, like Franxx or Crybaby. But most of the things most people on Yea Forums didn't even watch were highly unconventional and took risks that paid off. If you liked Lupin Part 5, you might also like Cutie Honey Universe and Gegege no Kitaro.

user even if you're someone who likes every Hollywood movie put out
Every major book published
Every triple A game
Etc doesn't mean 90% of the genre can't be trash.
For every Blockbuster movie there's 50 bootleg copies being made, 10 porno spoofs and 100 other random shlock being made in other countries
For every major book there's fanfics where a guy becomes Agito to fuck Final Fantasy, Love Live and Neptunia girls, 50 mind control and corruption fics and bald fat men doujin
For every top quality game there's Ride to Hell, Gachashit and Neptunia games
The problem is we're exposed to pretty much all anime and manga because it all comes from one place where you don't need to search the internet far and wide.

It's at an all time shit though. It's been shit for the past 5 years. There's literally no worthwhile anime airing right now, except for the carryovers like JoJo and SnK.

>JoJo and SnK.
>worthwhile
I seriously hope you're not serious.

They're worthwhile, you just have garbage taste, so go back to watching trash like isekai/highschool drama/yuri CGDCT bullshit where everything is trope ridden, bland and predictable.

>go back to watching trash like isekai/highschool drama/yuri CGDCT bullshit
Sorry, I don't usually watch any of those things. There's more than just moefags/fujos (what you seem to accuse me of being) and shounenshitters like you. Or should I say "seinenshitters" to avoid offending you?

>Sorry, I don't usually watch any of those things
You must not watch anime at all then, since there's nothing else.

>since there's nothing else.
Are you a troll or just retarded? Do you really want to claim that all anime is either bland battle shounen/seinen shit (the blandest of its kind being SnK and Jojo) or highschool drama or yuri or isekai? Really? I could, off the cuff, name a dozen anime, good and bad, from the last two years, that are in neither of those categories.

Let's begin with a few already mentioned in here: Lupin III, Kitaro, Cutie Honey, Devilman Crybaby (bland as it was, it wasn't shounen), Franxx, Goblin Slayer, Gridman, Dororo.

>Dogshit Slayer
Isekai shit.
>Franxx
Really? Non-sensical mecha shit full of fan-service? Way to shoot yourself in the foot. You must be really lowest of the low if you actually watched that trash.
>Dororo
Shounenshit.
>Lupin III
Seinenshit
>Kitaro
Shounenshit
>Gridman, Devilman Crybaby
I'll give you that, but that's it. Almost all of the titles you've listed fall in the aforementioned categories. So not sure what your point is.

Dude half of the shit you listed there is super bland shit like Goblin Slayer and Franxx

I’m also questioning how shit your taste must be to think Devilman was bland but Franxx wasn’t

>JoJo
>bland
Literally the only battle shounen that's not an insufferable trash.
>Crybaby
>bland
>proceeds to name fucking Franxx, GS, Gridman and Dororo
Ah, you're just pretending to be retarded, I get it. 4/10

The two of you are truly retarded. Read again what I wrote:
>I could, off the cuff, name a dozen anime, good and bad
So, yes. Goblin Slayer, Gridman and Fraxx are pure shit and bland, just like Devilman. I never said that they weren't. But they are not in any of these categories. Because:

>Dogshit Slayer
>Isekai shit.
Not all fantasy is isekai, retard. Did you fall for that shitty "native isekai" meme? Learn the difference.
>Franxx
>Non-sensical mecha shit full of fan-service?
Never said I liked it. It is, however in none of your categories.
>Dororo
>Shounenshit.
Not really. Unless you have a very wide definition of "battle shounen".
>Lupin III
>Seinenshit
See above.
>Kitaro
>Shounenshit
Kitaro is for young children, not teenagers. And it's mainly comedy.
>Almost all of the titles you've listed fall in the aforementioned categories.
They don't. At most you can argue for Dororo and Lupin, but even those depend on your definitions of that.

Quantity is up, quality is down, and the bubble is bursting in slow motion.

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>Not really. Unless you have a very wide definition of "battle shounen".
They are literally shounen, stop making stuff up as you go. We all get your taste is shit, so arguing with you is pointless and a waste of time.

oof...

bof

>They are literally shounen
Well, by your definition at least. You probably also think that "shounen" is a genre instead of a demographic, don't you?
Anyway, I'm not going to die on the hill of defending certain things not being shounen. You have already failed putting Goblin Slayer, Franxx, Crybaby, Cutie Honey and Lupin in any of your categories, and even admitted that for two of them. That alone means that your claim that all things must fall in your categories is pure bullshit. Q.e.d.

let me in on the fun, what is this new somewhat-fresh meme from?

Low for sure.