The only way to make a 10/10 shonen MC is to make him the villain

>wants to exterminate over 90% of the world population
>not a villain

Is Eren an Ethnonationalist?

You're right. Not even shounenshit is as bad as SnK.

The anime is going to end on them at the ocean, right? Any other place would be too soon or too late.

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Zeke's anti-natalism is the enemy, not the world.

Eren is a libertarian if anything.

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It's been made abundantly clear the rest of the world hates Eldians as much as Marley does and Grim Reminder 2.0 just solidified that. Eren decided to kill many international leaders and diplomats, enough for them to start creating an international task force.

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They've already teased the ocean, so yeah

Saitama has his moments.
The guy is so depressed and also so full of himself at the same time, it sometimes gives some weird moments like this

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I used to not like opm because I saw saitama as some kind of gary stu but I realized that I love him because he is the character that I want to beat the characters that think they are invincible

Neither of those are villains.

Why did you pick one of the moments where he showed his most amazing sense of justice?
Saitama is sometimes petty, but he is pure good during the MA arc.

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>El Hermano
>No El Grande Padre
Shit tier list, but go back to the DBS threads with this.

Give exactly one example of a 10/10 shonen MC.

Was this made by someone who never watched DB?

i don't think you know what being the villain means user

OP you're a fucking embarrassment.

Kid Goku.

this is bait, right?
>freeza
>reluctant

Naruto

>El Hermano
you think?

Ippo

DB was going to be canceled till the frying pan mountain arc and the training with roshi
GT bombed
Super is shitting the bed and Goku is the least liked lead in the show

Eren, unironically

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>Eren wins, 99% or even more of the worlds population is dead but Elideans will live in peace
>Eren looses, the world is united in genocide against the Eledians and maybe Marley too ushering in an age of peace
This is the most fucked win/win situation in fiction

I blame TOEI doesnt know how to write "non-heroic " MC
Also, they dumb down Goku into retard

user...
DBS Goku is in no way heroic.
Goku has never been exactly heroic, but DBS Goku is objectively evil.

yeah, i know
that why i say TOEI writer dont know how to write "non-heroic" MC

I didn't follow the series. What did he do?

The worst part is Vegeta is actually the heroic one now

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Based.

Obviously no, you are a retard and neither is or was ever a villain, but at least we got to see Gon's journey and progress that led him to that state, while Eren went from dumb crybaby to edgy stoic off panel without a proper justified character progression

Pretty sure no, going by the amount of chapters they are adapting right now, they'll still have two more chapters to put in after that, the first two in Marley when they introduce the kids and Jaw Porco

Yeah, shouldn't Freeza and Jiren be switched?

see, i have a theory, fusion fuck up and swap they morality, and its actually so significantly because they used to be so polarizing

>Freiza
>Motive hard to find flaw

He wants to be the greatest ruler of all the galaxy. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

a virgin creates only edgy characters, while a CHAD creates only realistic people

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That's not true, Magath has been fond of eldians and he is right now the leader of the most powerful country in the world since there are no Tybur members left. Reiner can testify that the paradis people just fight for survival and people like Pixis and Armin don't want a bloodshed either.
The main problem of the eldians is that even if they use the founder titan to remove the titans forever, they still have valuable resources in the island, and countries will kill for it.

>the only way to make an 11/10 shonen MC is to make a gigantic retard

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Easy, just leave them the fuck alone and don't try to genocide them, if that is too hard for the world then they deserve to get trampled.

Nah, just don’t make him a whiny perv loser.

Easy to say when theres not a lunatic running around trying to wake up an army of doomsday weapons

Eren is not a villain. He is a hero.

He is doing it because people want to destroy them and even then you are being disingenuous about Eren's character, he isn't deranged like you seem to think he is.

>Waking doomsday weapons
>Not deranged
Dude has gone off the deep end long before the reveal, he's always been an revenge hungry lunatic since his mother died, he just found a tangible target for his revenge instead of mindless titans that or he's being controlled by the memories of the last Attack Titan

>hxh
>not edgy
O MY

What? We saw Eren slow change since the basement reveal, he finding out the truth completely change his view from killing the titan to now killing all eldians.

Go read back over chapter 85 to 90. And come back and tell me you don't see the reason why he is how he is now, there is some things we don't know about him, but you as the reader should be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that his goal has to change, after finding out the titans are eldians and who his real enemies are.

Not only that Eren is not a villain, he is going to pull a lelouch.

Sometimes this manga is just too subtle for your average readers.

So I guess countries having nuclear weapons is unforgivably deranged too
The plan is also to make a demonstration, not to trigger the rumbling completely, fucking speedreading trash.
Or what, are nuclear weapon tests also deserving of genocide?

My mistake I meant the enemies outside of the walls, not the eldians themself.

Isn't the catgirl much stronger? Why didn't she kill that little faggot?

Why does "destroying my enemies" mean destroying the world? The only people unable to see subtlety is you retards.
He himself says to reiner how his goals are clear and not so childish as "I will kill everyone argg"

How is your taste so shit?

>So I guess countries having nuclear weapons is unforgivably deranged too
When you actively plan to use them by trying to bait a huge invasion so you can justify using them in the first place
>The plan is also to make a demonstration, not to trigger the rumbling completely, fucking speedreading trash
By causing a terrorist attack killing a shitton of civilians AND a bunch of diplomats. Eren is trying to bait the rest of the world into attacking so he can get his revenge for ruining his life you fucking pedantic prick

If anything Willy was the instigator, Eren simply took the best course of action crippling his enemies before the whole world could go down on Paradis even faster
The previous holders also aren’t very deranged. Grisha knew he was wrong to Zeke and his jingoism was retarded, while Kruger wants the future generations to not repeat the mistakes of the past

What’s the difference?

Almost like they'res no good guys in this book, just endless dick measuring contests for the fate of the world just like real life

>ONEshit
GTFO

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They were planning to start a war with paradis from the start you retarded faggot.
>bait the rest of the world into attacking
Literally room temperature IQ, end yourself.

You're a plebian, SnK isn't baby shit like hunter x hunter, they don't blatantly assign bad guy good guy to characters, peoples goals are nuanced and justified, there's no 'villains' in the story aside from some mean spirited one off characters, and even those characters have their own personal justifications, there's just protagonist and antagonist.
Snk just has the mc do things that are morally wrong, and he suffers tangible consequence, much different from fagxfag shit.

As for "shounen", that's just the type of magazine its in, what matters is the genre and content, and snk's content is for mature audiences, thus it's a light night tv anime.

The shounen meme only really applies to shounen jump, because every manga in that magazines is for literal babies, yes even you lolsorandom chainsawmeme, there's nothing mature about the actual content, it's juts juvenile and light hearted.

SEVEN QUIRKS

Oh yeah, another moralfagging preaching retard who says absolutely nothing of substance or gives just basic common sense, and his mental opponents are written to be comically retarded, totally interesting!

OCEAN DREAM

Difference is Eren is actual a force within the plot, and the snk writer is actually intelligent enough to come up with a plot. Erens character is completely dynamic and pivitol, everything he says and downs holds massive connotations on the events of the story.

hxh has no plot, gon isn't remotely interesting or dynamic and doesn't move the story, hell it's been going on without him. Whilist Erens character is still a force in the narrative even when his off screen, during the entire marley arc there are whispers and mumbles about "the devil of paradise", even when his not directly in the story his presence is felt, gon doesn't mean remotely as much in the context of his manga, his just another nothing protagonist like everyone else in jump.

Eren looks like a trap with mustache

>A main character with purpose and direction.
I know that must be a foreign concept to you.

>realistic
>hisoka
>realistic
>gon

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It is known.

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Feel like a lot of this "subversive" shit is for people who claim to not like hero-villain/good-evil dichotomy but aren't competent enough to go beyond it. Like the "subversive" GoT, brainlets can't help but see heroes and villains and the result is worst garbage than if everything was played straight.

That top tier is pretty cool though, like a wrestler playing the heel. Really meta though, should be used sparingly.

villains.fandom.com/wiki/Eren_Yeager

BELLY RESURRECTION!

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yes, Hisoka is realistic in his over the top behaviour
and yes, gon is more realistic than eren

>the snk writer is actually intelligent enough to come up with a plot
but not enough to come up with a good one

Wrong

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literally who

t.huntard

>Hisoka
>Gon
>Realistic

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but the same thing happened to eren the first time he transformed.

This.

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How is Gon a villain?

Eren has only killed faceless whos and his "development" was all off-screen during a timeskip. His character is not anywhere near the thematic exploration and deconstruction of Gon's.

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Battler is Beatrice

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He's a falseflagger trying to make HxH look bad, ignore him

Is SnK worth reading/watching?

Yes, if you're a fujo or shipper.

t.huntard

Are we doing this for all shounen now? Ill falaeflag as mhafag next time lol

Eren is a cuck.

>Eren
>villain

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how the fuck is killing an ant sympathizer even bad, let alone villainous
>b-but she's good at board games
fuck off

He just wants to stop being a manlet

because she can't use other nen abilities while channeling Doctor Blythe, so she has no aura to protect herself
you speedreading faggot

Why are Marleyan Eldians such pathetic self-hating collectivists?
Why is Eren such a based individualist?

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Just watched the episode, how did Flocke go to being shell shocked by Zeke and nearly killed to treating him like royalty I know that because he is but still?

>The guy is so depressed and also so full of himself at the same time
>what is 99% of Yea Forums

This but doubly unironically.
Eren is a true hero, one who realizes that you cannot save your people unless you are willing to kill your enemies. When a wild dog is lurking the border of your village and carrying off people in the night, the only acceptable course of action is to put the dog down. So-called heroes who cling to childish comic book morality with their "we'd be just as bad as them" are dooming innocents to suffer because they're too arrogant to dirty their own hands.

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