Why didn't Zouken summon King Hassan instead of a weak ass Assassin like Cursed Arm Hassan?

Why didn't Zouken summon King Hassan instead of a weak ass Assassin like Cursed Arm Hassan?

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Because if the being who could impose death on those who had no understanding of it turned on him, there wasn’t much he could do about it

isn't that what command seals are for?

The same reason the Acht didn't allow Illya to summon Heracles with his mind intact. Because truly heroic spirits won't tolerate the selfish machinations of creepy old geezers and deep down, they know it.

Because Nasu hadn't reached the level of retcon that led to King Hassan at that time.
And maybe my memory is a little off, but I seem to remember that it was implied True Assassin was the original Old Man of the Mountain.

King Hassan is Grand Assassin. You can't summon him through the Fuyuki Grail System.

Perhaps, but it is still a risk he who feared death would be unwilling to take

Gramps was too grand for him

because he can't.

Your memory is totally off. At that point it was established he was a fake one and that his wish was to recover engrave his own mame in history to be the original.

The whole point was that Hassans are tricky and in Fuyuki the name acts as a catalyst so you get one similar to you.

That's why Kotomine got one with identity issues and Zouken got one who shared a desire of immortality with him.

You can't choose which Hassan you get, and there's no evidence that King Hassan existed, meaning no one would even KNOW to summon him. When you summon a Hassan, you get one that's most compatible with you, since the Assassin class itself is the catalyst. There's no catalyst specifically tied to any one Hassan. There is no way in hell Zouken would ever summon King Hassan.

Should’ve summoned Serenity instead for a top tier waifu while the retards kill themselves over a cup around you.

king hassan is unsummonable

There was no rate-up for him in that day. That son of a bitch is limited 5*.

Impossible to summon King Hassan unless you're the counterforce.

Even if he did King Hassan would kill him on the spot right there.

He failed the gacha, just like Rin.

Reminder that nothing past zero is canon, there are only 3 canon fate games/books

Nope

Your memory is WAY off. Cursed Arm is just one of many Hassans. Jii-san is the original Hassan.

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Ma nigga. Serenity is top tier cute.

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Can Serenity's master touch her as a matter of course? I'd imagine being her master would grant some poison resistance

So you're saying that the only one who could have gotten lucky and summoned King Hassan would be Kiritsugu then. Got it.

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No, her original master in Fragments dies right after summoning her.

Yes

>Zero
>canon

>Fate
Forever tainded by mobage shit

Kerry will get the "zealot" from strange/fake.
Multiple zabaniyas and Kerry's anything goes approach would've jived well

Would a Command Seal even work on gramps? He seems the type to be able to go against them with ease. There's his Protection of Faith as well.
He'd cut Zouken's neck the second he figured out he was a heretic.

No point at all

Command seals are absolute provided it's not vague and there's no obvious loop hole.
Also religion doesn't really bother King Hassan. He calls people pagan and nonbelievers, but doesn't really kill people for that reason.

Isn't the whole point of the old Man of the Mountain to kill those to go against his religion's teachings? Pretty sure most of what Zouken has done in his lifetime has to go against it. At the very least, Zouken would probably be killed the second he tried to force him to do something underhanded.
Not to mention Command Seals can be resisted if the Servant is truly against it. Even Astolfo was able to resist one for a good while and Astolfo is weak.

Is Arc still the top-dog? I don't follow NuFate.

>Isn't the whole point of the old Man of the Mountain to kill those to go against his religion's teachings?
And they are the defenders of their faith as well. They aren't jihad terrorists stirring shit for no reason. You basically have to piss them off on top of being a heathen.

The exception is the Zealot from strange/fake who is in fact a stereotypical fundie jihadist and her zealotry is what prevented her from getting the title of Hassan

Nope.

archer herc would have killed the einzbergs and destroyed the intire place. then he would take illya with him to save and protect her.
thats why they turned him into a beserker

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And wouldn't forcing him to do something against his beliefs royally piss him off? The very act of summoning him would anger him, considering he was about to kill the Chaldea group just for entering his temple uninvited.

Except against certain beings. Solomon was so strong that Marisbury said CS wouldn't work on him.

Solomon is now the strongest.

because Nasu is a hack and fate is shit

>The very act of summoning him would anger him, considering he was about to kill the Chaldea group just for entering his temple uninvited.
Literal intruders are enough of a cause to get angry for anyone. He also sees any Hassan asking for his help failures. He also appreciates genuine generosity and altruism.
King Hassan is spooky, but he isn't an auto death sentence. Just don't be a shitter and he won't cut your head

Well, grands aren't even summonable by mages so I don't think it counts

Grands work for Earth and the CF. And even normal KH would refuse to be summoned by Zouken.

Isn't Zouken a shitter though?

No rate up

The whole Solomon situation with Marisbury is still a mystery. Solomon is always considered Grand Caster according to the mats. It wasn't like with KH, that he gave up his title to be summoned. He was summoned in the HGW by someone that is even a bigger mistery and hijacked the war.
But yeah, in the case of Solomon CS are useless against him because he has absolute control over magic and he is too strong.

>tfw everyone likes Illya
>tfw I got so many dead ends in Fate route from this psycho loli that I'm always on edge when she shows up

Didn't God pretty much plan for Solomon to be summoned by having him throw the 10th ring away? It was wll all for Goetia that he was summoned under Marisbury.

Fuck this gay earth.

Yeah. God knew the plan of Goetia and probably told Romani to summon himself and eventually use the Ars Nova to stop Goetia.
Wouldn't be a surprise considering Merlin can also summon himself.
But even with that, the actions of Marisbury are still a mystery.
Both Solomon and Goetia saw the true end of humanity, not the incineration of humanity but a white world with nothing in it. But Solomon before taking Goetia with him, put all his faith on Guda.

Yes, I'm just saying summon=/= suicide

This. Bone Daddy knows that the Grail War is fucking pointless, and his code of honor and sense of retribution would not work well at all with Zouken. If King Hassan came across Zouken and saw how he was pitifully trying to cheat death and prolong his life, he'd Azrael Zouken out of existence.

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Are Fate and Tsukihime still in the same universe?

I raughed.

Saber's magic resistance weakens command seals she doesn't like. I imagine there's skills that would protect against at least certain types of commands