Why do characters in anime, especially shonen, bother to build up crazy muscles? They never matter, it always comes down to how strong your chi/nen/whatever is, so a skinny little kid or a woman can and often will defeat giant muscle-men with ease. Muscles never mean anything.
Why do characters in anime, especially shonen, bother to build up crazy muscles? They never matter...
John Reyes
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Ryan Ward
the muscle characters in anime shonen actually know they are only fictional characters and they do it for dramatic effect to make the hero look bettter.
Brody Taylor
They come with their training?
Sebastian Morales
>they never matter
in Black clover muscles are a main factor.
its the only reason asta was able to lift the swords and become a knight. Read better manga
Jacob Hernandez
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Alexander Wilson
I like that they showed muscles on a positive light. Japs are too afraid of muscles in general, its either bara to be funny or skinny.
Jose Gonzalez
Black Clover has better writing than One punch Man doe
William Jackson
Post muscular characters who are CHADs and actually win their fights. I'll start.
Michael Smith
Because some people like the aesthetic and cartoonishness of it. Usually it doesn't denote the power of someone.
Ryan Wood
based
Gavin Walker
>Muscles never mean anything.
lmao
Zachary Baker
Read baki.
David Reyes
There are those where the magic energy is directly tied to you body, so building muscles do matter or are consequence of that power
Nolan Parker
Muscles are back in style.
Alexander Bell
He wasn't perfect muscles though, Olivia was. Yuujiro was perfect violence.
Xavier Gutierrez
Based
Zachary Murphy
Because characters used to be people you could look up to and strive to be. Now its all bishounens to self insert as
Asher Lopez
Because they're fictional characters who don't know the meta/genre
Jack Cruz
self-inserters, user
Jace Williams
Kengan is a Shonen right? cause it makes this thread invalid
Oliver Nguyen
>Dude who was born with super dense muscles to the point he's nearly 450 pounds of them despite not being that large loses to an average /fit/ because muh counta from balancing on muh bones
Blake Richardson
Just like IRL STR brainlet
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Nicholas James
Intimidation factor
I've never had anyone start on me because I have the face of a thug and go to the gym. Makes life easier
Jaxon Sanchez
AESTHETICS
Lucas Green
Are MMA fighters super ripped like bodybuilders?
There's your answer.
Owen Cooper
Mob Psycho 2 is pretty much all about this
Carson Ward
because to weebs and neets its more satisfying when the bland weak self insert mc beats up the big muscular chad
Christian Nelson
Generally it's just to indicate to the audience that "Wow, this guy is really strong". Also gives a David vs Goliath effect if the protagonist is small or twinky
Luis Harris
Not exactly the best comparison. I mean, yeah, Gogeta is ripped too but not nearly as large as Broly.
Thomas Price
>twinky
god damn dont say this.
William Gray
Muscle is a simple tell for physical strength.
That's all.
Like a new super form.
Also, being a skinny twink or effiminiate boipuccy carrying girlman who carries around a 1000 ton murder blade and slices mountains in half is kind of why modern shounen is getting gay and boring.
It stopped being about physically pushing yourself and being more outward and external and all about mystical magical feefees and shit.
Visual energy and color co-ordinated metaphorical represntations of whatever the plot is about or emotional bullshit they want to do.
No real personal change that can be carried over to the people reading that will inspire them to actually change.
Just cheap wishfulfillment and daydream hero/heroine masturbation fodder.
Justin Bailey
Is that really an accomplishment? One Punch man is a parody manga that is meant to be taken as a joke and makes fun of shonen tropes in general. While Black Clover is meant to be the most generic shonen ever created.
Jose Martinez
The bishies are for the fujo to shlick over.
Not for boys to look up to or emulate.
Adrian Green
>It stopped being about physically pushing yourself and being more outward and external and all about mystical magical feefees and shit.
Okay so first of all, that has always been around. Even Saint Seiya where there's bloodmatches has the characters bullshitting wins out of nowhere. Second, I think it largely depends on the shounen you're reading
Jackson Gutierrez
I imagine it to just be a cosmetic thing. Sure they might be way less stronger than the 12 year old skinny protagonist, or the super strong ninja girl, but at least they won't have any trouble getting a girlfriend. And unless they actually see the protagonist do a greater feat of strength than musclehead, people that don't know them will assume musclehead is stronger.
Dominic Williams
They also show physical shorthand for physical power in terms of bodyshape.
Also, saint seiya didn't catch on anywhere except latin countries and that's only because it was all they were really getting.
Robert James
>Also, saint seiya didn't catch on anywhere except latin countries
We're talking about besides Japan right? Because not only was it pretty popular in it's day, it literally is the reason fujoshi exist
Owen Gomez
/fit/tards are retarded.
10 times out of 10 they would get BTFO by skinny amateur fighters.
Nicholas James
Because fight scenes with muscle lads that don't need power to be top-tier are always dope. You cannot deny this
Charles Hughes
You corroborated everything in my post and another post about bishounen.
They also helped hard push the whole "boy love" thing in shounen that has caught on and WILL NOT FUCKING LEAVE.
Jacob Edwards
This. SWOLEriko and the other Heavenly KANGZ render your argument invalid, OP.
Isaac Watson
>They also helped hard push the whole "boy love" thing in shounen that has caught on and WILL NOT FUCKING LEAVE.
That's also been around since forever.
Jacob Jackson
Yeah. I know.
But it's now DEMANDED in every single fucking shounen by editors.
It's even poisoned Dragon Ball.
Brody Bennett
>The Four Absolute Units
Adam Gonzalez
You only mention the trope buff guy who's literal only sole mission in life is to get absolutely flattened by the villain or protagonist to show that muscles don't mean anything or establish a characters dominance.
Japanese martial arts tend to favor skill and technique over raw power. Alot of their philosophies favor a strong mind instead of a strong body. So it's just in their culture or what they've been taught their whole life to always go this route when telling a story.
What's weird is there was alot of buff dude anime/manga in the 1990s that was alot more gorey. Now shit like Goblin Slayer is considered to be goreporn and Kirito type protags are everywhere.
Henry Moore
Yeah.
They're all pussies and anime is more about magical feefees that are for simple consumption and reqire nothing of the consumer.
Rather then physicallypushing themselves they get there through plot and magicalness.
As for hxh.
Many of the most powerful people get huge as fuck as a shorthand for power accumulation.
Like the MC for instance.
Only in DBZ are body types given real weight.
Robert Foster
It started out as a funny/clever subversion of your expectations. You think that the taller, muscly man will win because he looks stronger. But then the shorter, scrawny guy wins, because... reasons.
Dragon Ball already did it back in the early 1980s.
The Japanese are creatively bankrupt, they literally cannot come up with anything new. They re-hash the same tropes over and over and over again, until eventually it is expected to happen. Like in this case, you cannot have a tall muscle man defeat a shorter scrawnier man. They just can't do it.
Zachary Gonzalez
Yeah, yes they can.
Happens a lot.
However, plot armor protects the skinny dudes.
Look at the fight between sasuke and killer b.
Sasuke lost badly and only survived, not won, survived because of magical mystical fee fee fires.
Asher Jackson
because it looks cool and they want to look cool
Ryan Stewart
OPM features gigantic musclemen like the Sea King assraping the fucking shit out of everyone and everything EXCEPT Saitama, who is a god.
Matthew Nelson
yeah except for when Videl whips that buff dudes ass in the tournament
or when Teen Gohan beats the shit out of Cell
or when Kid Buu whips everyones ass
Sometimes it is possible for the smaller man to win. (Royce Gracie in UFC 1 fought people larger than him and came on top.
I wish there was more animes based on actual MMA and basic laws of gravity like All-Rounder Meguru. Sadly for some reason nips hate reality unless its happy go lucky slice of life bull shit.
Nathan Young
Saitama is actually buff as fuck though, most the time when hes not serious he looks like a noodle which is part of the joke. But when hes pissed off or serious he flexes hard hes super ripped
Dominic Clark
hi
Connor Wright
Whatever you say, dexfag.
John Rivera
>when Videl whips that buff dudes ass in the tournament
The only part of what Spopovich did to Videl that wasn't rape is the lack of insertion.
Joshua Parker
Size isn't always a determining factor in strength aswell. Look up Stefan Struve that dude got beat into retirement and he was a 7 foot tall MMA fighter.
Alot of bigs/centers in basketball nowadays are bitchmade and have zero arm strength.
Luke Johnson
Two things
1.Frieza, you know the tiny guy that is stronger then erreyone at a certain point in time?
His strongest form was a buff one
2.Videl got fucked harder then a bitchy fat ass blonde dyke in a black fraternity BY a huge guy because like I said HUGE MUSCLE = strong. Always has meant that in DBZ. And rarely does it change outside of that. Unless they are magical or alien in some way.
3.Royce gracie was on more juice then the entire starting line up of the new england patriots and every single fighter he fought was HAND PICKED. Of the few that weren't cherry picked tincans who knew fuck all about grappling or were over the hill, the guys they did fight the refs obviously cheated.
Early UFC was a fucking gracie marketing push.
Jaxson Taylor
If Dragon Ball Z was a good show Gohan would have ambushed Spopobitch in the lockerroom after this fight and slowly break every bone in his body after crushing his windpipe so he wouldn't be able to scream, psychologically torturing him with telepathy while methodically closing his ultrastrong hands around whatever body part he wanted to ruin.
But, no, Gohan's a faggot.
William Richardson
what are those?
Tyler Taylor
Well, those guys that beat up Videl, it's really part of the trope. You have a huge guy who beats up some weak person (Videl, she had only just learned how to fly), but then up against the main heroes like Gohan or Vegeta, they are worthless
Adrian Johnson
I never really understood that. It's a fighting tournament, of course that guy was going to beat up Videl. What did they think would happen?
It's like going to a swingers party with your wife, and then complaining if she fucks another guy.
Nathaniel Perry
Four swole giganiggas here to fuck your wife, just like Tyrone.
Brayden Johnson
Which is why my exaggerated take would AT LEAST have been a satisfying consequence of such an obvious scene.
Isaac Campbell
Wow you completely missed how Wakatsuki lost. You didn't even come close.
Jace Reyes
This is actually str + con vs dex. That's unfair.
Kayden Jones
Who is Tyrone?
Henry Brooks
Incorrect. Take your contrarian bait back to Yea Forums.
Grayson Bennett
Guy actually
And it was more about her being completely outclassed and having to deal with just a tiny sample of what the Z fighters and even Hercule had to deal with.
That and the entire fucking fanbase outright hated Videl and having her beat up was just catharsis for the fanbase. Both male and female.
Really the cucks in america who're raised on being gentlemanly and protecting women even if they're fucking retards who should get what's coming to them were upset by that scene.
I mean, goddamn they saw a terrified 5 year old gohan who had no choice but to fight or watch everythign he knew be destroyed get beaten nearly to death multiple fucking times. He actually did die once for fucks sake.
But that relatively tame slapfight upset them?
Even fucking PIccolo, the demon kings son saw how fucked up it all was.
By the by, Chi-chi would have just outright BODIED Spopovich.
I mean Chi-Chi from the 23rd tournament
Dominic Flores
You need to watch more anime that isn't shounen.
Henry Taylor
Luck out and get strong > Working hard
David Jones
>basicshit shonen is better than the meme anti-shonen
sad you'd try to compare a well composed 24 episode season that serves as a F-U to your typical shonen to a ongoing shonen that is probably looking to take atleast 400-500 episodes/chapters to finish.
Julian Hill
>being a shounenshit fag and thinking you know good writing
You deserve to like dogshit like bclover
Jaxson Morales
Failed attempt at making the black version of "Chad Thundercock".
It's Jamal Longdick by the way.
Christopher Gutierrez
>Luck out and get strong
You don't luck out and get strong.
You fucking work for it.
The shounen guys from back in the day knew that. Hell oda and the hubby and wife team that writes black clover know it too.
Matthew Wright
Toriko would NEVER do that to sweet little Rin-chan!
Colton Moore
lol. weight classes exist for a reason
Leo Sanchez
Or better yet he remember he's Faster Than Light, possibly dozens of times so, and just kicks him in the stomach and makes it back before anyone can notice and not even cameras can see him.
but that would require Toriyama knowing how fast lightspeed or anything above it is.
Luke Lewis
Whatever happened to that guy, anyway? Did he finally get stabbed by someone after slapping their cigarette out of their hand?
Isaiah Carter
He did she survive his Mugen Dick Kugi Punch and Gourmeting Press???
Charles Lee
>Baki who is at most 175 lbs beat Olivia who was 300+ pounds of pure iron like muscle
And that's ignoring all the other bigger dudes he beat like Mt Toba
Xavier Cox
>look up Toriko hentai
>it's literally all gay
Being a Toriko fan is suffering...
Luis Wilson
Yeah, but Baki is the son of the demon king.
David Wilson
I like how Joe was in relation to muscles, none of the characters were too crazy. Just the sizes really like Nishi being kingping sized compared to Joe, but that's just weight and even then he wasn't really muscley.
Compared to Ippo anyway it's a lot more of a realistic take, especially when characters lose weight.
Wyatt Fisher
so sick of this ghosting trend in modern anime. why do they insist on ruining their own animation??
Nicholas Phillips
The main factor is the main character being a fake underdog immediately gifted with the best possible power for that universe. Yeah muscles help him but they are not the main fucking factor. The only reason he can compete at all is because of his grimoire.
Here's a fucking manga where the characters' physiques are all chiseled and their athleticism matters at all times.
Hudson Carter
>Black Clover
>Read better manga
You should follow your own advice
Nathaniel Nelson
Based jobber giving the MC the runlb
Anthony Jackson
It’s to make the character look strong or whatever feeling the character’s design is supposed to give off. I almost always hate seeing pencil-armed fags do strongman type shit despite looking like they’d collapse after half a mile.
Ian Price
will we have another mc like him?
Logan Long
Be ill no more, mister boar.
Owen Wood
Saitama did nothing besides strength training and ended up being the strongest character in OPM, even among espers, martial arts masters, and literal monsters
Jordan Green
He did Str+End+Spd training.
Oliver Morris
Well in any case, he did nothing besides train his muscles/body
Jaxson Myers
He trained his conditioning too by not using Air Conditioning
Thus he has a defense against psychics like Tats
Daniel Stewart
endurance is just heart strength and speed is just coordination strength
Brody Perry
Because muscles make you very powerful, but slow you down. This is why the champions of MMA/Boxing etc. are never bulky. Your nose is still just a nose, and your skull doesn't turn into steel just because you have large muscles.
Jason Young
RAPE!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!
Cameron Myers
what in the fuck are you even blathering about
Wyatt Sullivan
No sword AIDS with muscles though.
Dominic Howard
Kaiman from Dorohedoro.
Although he doesn't win some of his fights and like half of his manga is focused on other characters, he's very big and strong and tries his best.
Elijah Brown
Any man in Kenichi.
Julian Cooper
>power levels in the shounen are based on your chi
>the beefy boi has the most stamina out of anyone because he trains his body and mind together
Easton Mitchell
and the only reason he is able to use the swords from the grimoire is because of his trained body. so, stated early muscles are the main factor to his success. kimetsufags really are just retarded pretentious faggots who think their manga is something special
Chase Johnson
The version wih Murata is a parody, the One's one (uh) has its themes with a lot of building
Brandon Cruz
That is the most popped collar I've ever seen.
Jayden Sullivan
>M-MUH WEIGHT CLASSES
It's hilarious when you cope with this meathead.
Hint: Even the heaviest MMA fighters are nowhere near as ripped as bodybuilders.
Jace Morales
Saitama is has every physical stat maxed.
Not just STR
Noah Wood
Be Ill no more, Mr. Boar
Angel Moore
Why is the example from OPM when Saitama is built like a twinky adonis and Tanktop Master is almost a god amongst men due to the destructive power his tanktop gives him the flexibility to perform.
Hunter Walker
Yeah, the big muscles are just to support his massive tanktop
Charles Allen
MMA fighters and aesthetic Bodybuilders train for completely different professional effects.
One is to beat other humans in fighting.
The other is to show a judge you have a lot of symmetrical muscle.
Hudson Gray
Exactly.
Yet muscles fag like OP don't understand this.
Nolan Robinson
they build up muscle for the same reason people do it irl. to look good. jesus OP, you couldn't even figure out something that simple?
Colton Walker
I prefer twinkish
Jacob Taylor
Assuming equal levels of chi/nen/whatever, the muscle dude would also have physical strength and stamina, so it's still a good idea to have, as long as they aren't neglecting the series' magic system.
Plus it helps if they need to run away if they don't skip leg day.
James Edwards
eating like a man
Daniel Bailey
>Rival character transforms and powers up.
>Gets the shit kicked out of him anyway.
Sword was mother fucker extreme.
Camden Lee
>gifted with the best possible power for that universe.
Anti-magic is not the best. That's like saying Aizawa has the best quirk in MHA. Aizawa has his limitations and Asta does too. Competent enough magic users have several advantages over Asta. He is the only shonen protag I know who has yet to win a major fight by himself in 200+ chapters.
>Yeah muscles help him but they are not the main fucking factor.
The ARE the main factor. If he never trained he would never have been able to lift the swords let alone wield them. The grimoire is useless to anyone who doesn't train physically because majority of the population rely on reinforcement magic to enhance their strength which is nullified by the sword.
Brandon Diaz
Based and nollpilled
Noah Sanchez
Colton Young
Because top tier girls like pic related love muscular men.
Justin Cook
Sound's like the people in this thread need to start reading Baki.
Angel Collins
It's for the purpose of preventing seizures. The ghosting is never present in blu-ray releases.
John Brooks
Chase Lopez
nigger, this is the part where you say you're just pretending to be an idiot
Evan Taylor
t. retard
Owen Sullivan
Chase Parker
It's crazy to think this manga had decently normal looking bodies at one point.
Leo Ross
I know how the saying goes. It's not even a direct quote from anything so I don't have to get it right.
Lincoln Jackson
>the best possible power for that universe
Time Magic?
Zachary Brooks
Strange to think there was a time when Hillary Clinton didn't scream at Yuujiro's dick.
Levi Foster
>competent mages
>bc
masaka this kid has anti-magic better throw more magic so he can anti-magic it wtf I lost
Jackson Wilson
>Jojo
>Black Clover
Time mastery is so trite as an "ultimate final power", I'm tired of seeing it in everything. Raw physical brawn and skill will always be cooler and more impressive looking than "muh see through you" powers, anyway.
Nathan James
counterpoint
big muscles make you faster since you can exert more power into your movements and have greater control over your body
this is why Conan the Barbarian can be both an agile sneaky boi and tank a sword to the stomach with his rock hard abs
being lean is better for endurance since more muscle means more energy used even though you can have greater bursts of strength and speed.
this is more realistic and also why champion sprinters are all swole as fuck while marathon runners and cyclists are thinner.
Christian Ramirez
Kevin Watson
>baki fan
Into the trash you go.
Oliver Williams
Is there porn with those two?
Eli Miller
>tank a sword to the stomach
A man after my own heart.
Jacob Ross
This is a Baki thread now. Feel free to leave.
Julian Martin
Why is that monster still alive?
Chase Adams
got that prehistoric body bruh. You don't become the Dinosaur King with a wimpy ass human body.
Grayson Kelly
Why do they let him live after what he did to Retsu?
Bentley Ross
again, you're going to have to be more specific, because both those characters did a number on Retsu.
But Retsu started shit in both situations, so it's his own fault.
Daniel Reed
And I was born with nine tails inside my asshole
Joseph Morales
Would that mean you'd need to wipe more or less?
Eli Green
For this reason, round one of Luffy vs. Enel is one of my favorite fights. Enel adapts.
Jayden Jenkins
M-muscles just slow you down.
Th-that's why I don't work out.
None of the champs were bulky.... Yeah
Alexander Robinson
Anthony Wood
Be ill no more, mister boar
Justin Watson
god its so painful to watch
Austin Ortiz
You and what army?
Aaron Evans
Are you joking?
Oliver Thompson
>a woman can and often will defeat giant muscle-men with ease
This is acceptable if the woman is also muscular
To be fair, weightlifters just .... lift weight. I'd be surprised if the average weightlifter knows how to throw a solid punch.
Angel Ross
>they literally cannot come up with anything new. they re-hash the same tropes over and over and over again, until eventually it is expected to happen
same with the west, and all media. thats a description of music, arts, videogames, literature, films, comics, manga/anime, etc etc. everything is creatively bankrupt nowadays, both in the west and east, and the few good things are mere exceptions and dont represent the medium they belong at all
Julian Scott
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
Michael Watson
Wow, what fucking faggot beats on someone already down.
Sebastian Cooper
Adam Nelson
>Legit martial art technique
Levi Stewart
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ayden Mitchell
>creatine + Synthol
>it's not effective
woah
Easton Cook
John Walker
It was a wise decision to read the manga instead
Austin Walker
Be Ill no more, Mr. Boar
Liam Peterson
Nikaku best boy.
Juan Smith
Camden Brown
How is a volume raw this covered in so much dust?
Austin Collins
Toriko had like 4 girls tops. The reporter, Rin, the fat bee prison warden and some ninja slut.
Nicholas Reyes
It's called a trope.
Nathaniel Allen
Brayden Jones
Mr Satan is understated, dude can flash step and is strong enough to pull multiple buses at once. In a more grounded anime he'd be top tier, he just has the unfortunate luck to be a late-stage arrival in a series that went past planet busting several hundred chapters ago.
Spopovich also had the advantage of being apparently unkillable. Even Goku would go down with a broken neck, assuming somebody was strong enough to deliver it. Spopovich literally just got up and turned his head back around. That's no ordinary or even reasonably unknown ki ability, and the rest of the Z fighters realised something was seriously wrong with him.
Isaac Turner
You do know that most MMA fighters do have a decent chunk of muscle though right. Like they aren’t bodybuilders, but bodybuildings moatly a game of who can take the most roids without dying.
MMA fighters aren’t bishonen or skelly, but they do tend to have some decent strengh there
Dylan Reyes
>muscles provide no advantage in a fight
Thats dumb. Training for fighting beats muscles, but muscle still helps
Jeremiah Watson
because they're characters and not living things capable of decisions.
Landon Bailey
Videl legitimately beat spopovitch though (even killed him really), she got beaten back because he literally no selled a broken neck. I don't think chichi would have won against immortal guy.
Elijah Green
Depends on the series. Though, it is kind of a wish-fulfillment/power fantasy to see a smaller guy single-handedly destroy a much bigger opponent.
Joseph Sanders
I will never forget the butthurt towards the main character when this show first started. I mean, the guy punches demons in the face and isn't a gary stu, what more do you want?
Hudson Howard