Why does fantasy anime always feature videogame shit like levels, tiered monsters, dungeons, guilds etc?

Professional guilds, yeah, but I'm pretty sure adventurers' guilds never existed in real life

Yes, but no one talked about having a +3 to hit or considered a long sword a nonlethal weapon because it does 1d8 damage and the enemy has 9 hitpoints.

Because that's how most mangaka are introduced to western fantasy.

Are there any isekai in which the characters literally roll dice to determine their actions?

What about Bastard? that has western fantasy elements without specifically being video game based.

More accurately most fantasy anime is based on Dragonquest which was based on DnD

Stop giving them ideas, some gook might be browsing right now

Would watch unironically if the entire gimmick of the show was the MC having every action be RNG-based.

Could be an interesting idea for a villain. A D&D Twoface.

Because most authors out there can't into creative writing.

They feel they have to because SAO did it, except it made sense in SAO because it was literally a game.

Goblin Slayer runs on D&D rules
But the whole point of his character is that he tries to stay alive by stacking the odds in his favor and allowing the dice to actually be rolled as seldom as possible

Is this a Made in Abyss thread?

Monsters never existed in real life either.

Levels and stats make the least sense.

Was SAO really that influential? I thought it was kind of legendary for actually being a poorly written story the inexperienced author was later embarrassed about
Did it just inspire a whole generation of Jap writers to decide that if SAO could get big then their lazy garbage should make them rich too?

Pic unrelated?

Gauls, barbarians, and the spanish did. God we should have glassed them before they got to the southern americas.

But orcs, elves and dragons didn't. Complaining about fantasy guild being different than real life guilds is peak autism.

Because a lot of these are literally deviantart-tier. They are written by hack whose knowledge and culture is limited to anime and video-games. That's also why all the cooking isekai feature 0 fantasy cooking and serve only as a means of masturbating over contemporary nip food.

Because both Japanese audiences and isekai writers are so disconnected from reality and historical knowledge of the world that medieval settings mean nothing to them unless they are connected to videogames.

I mean, I'm just restating the "because they can't write for shit" argument.

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Man, do I like this shit

SAO managed to be good while also being crap, which is the end goal of every writer.

I can't relate to anything non-video gamey. So they're doing the right thing

No it's pretty related. MiA is only unique because of its sickness gimmick, apart from that it's still generic and the anime was only saved with nice visuals and music.

It still uses generic shit like "w-wow you're so special you reached level 4!!" and "woah a white whistle? that's like 100x more powerful than the other colored whistle, gee whiz!".

"Bad writing" is a misnomer in the case of wildly successful stories. What you think is "shit that the dumb shit-eating masses randomly just so happened to like", was actually most likely meticulously planned to exactly fit their tastes. They (are told by their editors to) use exactly the kind of "bad writing" that will get them the best sales.

Yeah fuck karate, the shitty realization of a fighting game. Why would your colored belt be better than my colored belt?

I'm disappointed the sickness thing was an actual magical sickness and not just them not knowing about pressure changes

I though i am the only have have problem with that. Glad that someone share my sentiment. These game mechanic stuff really take you out of the world and the story. imaged in LOTR Frodo suddenly take out a character sheet and said that the Shelob is a level 100 Spider and she too strong for the 2 level 40 Hobbit to take on. Immersion ruined.

>muh historical realism
For fucks sake they are FANTASY WORLDS not real medieval age earth.

You're wrong in two regards. Firstly, for thinking that behind every success lies some kind of immense effort and/or talent. This is false, most popular things came to be so by dumb luck. And secondly, for thinking that market research and cynal appeal to the majority of drooling retards for sales maximization is someone equal to 'good writing'. You're saying that McDonalds is the best food in the world because it sells well.

You're saying that McDonalds is unhealthy junk food because of their inability to produce anything better. I'm saying junk food was their goal from the beginning.
Also >food analogy

>I'm saying junk food was their goal from the beginning.
So? Does it make it any less junk?
Also
>implying food analogy is not the rhetorical peak of human thought

Well, they can't always calculate that shit that's why we can often see the situation where a lot of copycats're trying to recreate what's become succesful.

Watch DUNBINE

I didn't know isekai shit actually used videogame terms, that's embarrassing. But I sometimes do hate tier list shit in my Shonen.
>He's a vice captain, dozens of times stronger than any lieutenant.
And I'm like, wasn't that vice captain a lieutenant at first? Didn't he gradually get there, meaning other lieutenants are training as well to get to that position? How can you claim people belonging to a certain rank are just that much stronger than the rest? Oh yeah and you'd need 5 vice captains to match one captain.

In general it's just lazy to use tiers for something as arbitrary as "strenght" and "power". It seriously makes up for retarded writing to disregard Matchups and other circumstances and simply state
>this character is really fast and strong and can do whatever he wants
In any anime that tries to be taken seriously. Yes I'm thinking of Bleach but most Shonen do it.
>That's an S rank demon. That guy you fought? Just a high B Demon. What? He could induce sleep just with his voice and cause your eyes to explode if you looked at him? Still B class, this guy shoots a really strong laser.

And the whole world is built on these tiers that characters explain in dumb exposition chapters.
>This is the land of fire and they're fighting against the land of ice for the magic cube of power
Oh fuck off with that bullshit

Knowledge of history =/= historical realism, you dumbo.

If you have a good grasp of medieval reality, you can also appreciate and explain its myths and fantasies, you know what fears culminate into the image of a dragon or a wizard, you know what kind of problems a magic ring solves, you know what kind of threat the Demon King represents.

If you don't know history, your fantasy settings become empty husks of themselves.

Incidentally, anyone who knows their medieval history also knows that particular setting has been done to death in fantasy settings and you're unable to produce anything meaningful to modern audiences without introducing more modern themes.

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It's like a permadeath/dead is dead playthrough.

>f-fresh shrimp!!
>curry rice!!!
>omelettes!!!!!

One PIece is a fantasy anime

It's not about realism it's about there being a degree of thought put into how things are set up beyond "Well it's like this in video games and shit"

Just like an actual D&D player.

Not always. Only trash written by idiots for idiots.

There are plenty of good fantasy series without this shit.

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Blame fucking SAO. Now most LN authors want to copy this shit. It's easy and braindead monkeys love it.

Hell, Fate is a fantasy anime.

If a nips write a fantastical setting based on their own history it doesn't have all that shit but it becomes samurai and yokai anime and white pigs don't treat it as fantasy per se.

Everything with magic is fantasy.

Was this the inspiration to Annihilation? Or the other way around?

I genuinely don't understand how people still watch Isekai shit every season. By far, the most braindead NPC genre the anime industry has ever come up with

They literally don't. Every new isekai flops hard.

Genre is still alive thanks to suicidal japanese salarymen buying the garbage light novels.

>it generates enough revenue to stay alive
>IT'S A FLOP!
Every time.

like steve job would say "It just Works Flawlessly"

Do you really think those anime that barely sold 1k generated revenue?

If levels with number like video games are too simple for you, why not try some chink shit with their cultivation and their tier rank. Confusing as fuck

If they sold 1k initially, that's a good chance they get even on the long run. Industry people said that most anime gets even or profitable several years after it came out. Also, when the show is new there's a lot of extra ways to generate revenue, like cheap merch ranging from pens to phone cases. Also, in Japan they market these things a lot differently, if you are not there you don't know jack shit. Like shows you would think they flopped hard had monthly events for fans where the creators talked with them and sold merch earlier than it was avaliable publicly.

Tell that to an average peasant, forced to march against an elephant.

>f wildly successful stories. What you think is "shit that the dumb shit-eating masses randomly just so happened to like", was actually most likely meticulously planned to exactly fit their tastes. They

Nice cope.

You've convinced me that video games are based on real life.

Didn't the Mayans literally have a death ceremony where the priest drank the blood of human sacrifices like a vampire? Besides, who gives a shit about shitty brown people, Spanish did nothing wrong.

Because people buy it.

Those "real fantasy anime" suddenly become very popular in 2019 Yea Forums. Crossboarder invasion?

Dragon quest left its deep mark on the minds of japs

MiA's layers are not based on any video game, we have similar shit in geography. Abyss explorers are also fairly reasonable, they have a simple rank based structure that is required for any organization to run properly.
Aside from that, I do agree that inserting RPG elements (like levels, skills, quests, adventurers guilds, and sometimes even hp\mp) is very poor taste and only acceptable as a comedic parody.

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>NPC
>cope
Jesus. Even Yea Forums is ruined

More like everyone getting tired of isekai trash.

>even

>getting tired of isekai trash
Woah 1-2 Isekai trash per season is disaster. Especially compared to SoLtrash/CGDCTtrash, idoltrash or old haremtrash times. It's like you don't even watch anime.

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Cringe. Have sex

Yikes, incel.

>always feature videogame shit like levels, tiered monsters, dungeons, guilds etc?
You're still a maggot. Watch more chinese cartoons, particularly those around ten years ago, those chinese cartoons older than you.

Once you've aged into a shitty horsefly, feel free to feast on the filth here on Yea Forums

Fuck you nigger

The problem is not anime but LNs. It's fucking ridiculous how LN market is getting flooded by this shit.

Annihilation was based on the Southern Reach novel series. So, no.

So much cancer in one post

> that sword was so huge no swordsman could handle.. unless he somehow unlocked the legendary class Berserk

Annihilation was based on what was essentially S.T.A.L.K.E.R fanfiction, and that game is a very loose adaptation of both a book (A Roadside Picnic) and a movie loosely based on the book (Stalker).

The movie has fuckall to do with the games, they were more inspired by that one chapter in Pohl's Chernobyl than that.

The games took a lot of their environmental aesthetics from the movie, I'd argue.
You could also say the idea of the Zone causing weird psychic shit, though that's just me grasping for straws.

>It's fucking ridiculous how LN market is getting flooded by this shit.
But it's not problem because LN market is not for Yea Forums. For /jp/ LNfags? maybe

>the spanish did
if it weren't for us you shitty country wouldn't exist.
you should thank us, you massive faggot.

Oh, yeah, and the whole throwing nuts thing. Forgot about that.

>reverse search
>kino ripoff but in a fantasy world and with gays
Woah....

>Spice and Wolf?
>Never heard of it.

It's unironically better than Kino.

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For what? SAO isn't fucking happening in the actual medieval country, it's happening inside virtual RPG. Kawahara doesn't guilty of some faggots being lazy and stupid, you know

>It's unironically better than Kino.
>MC isn't a cute flat-chested reverse trap that was trained by a literal murderhobo

SAO invented ISEKAI !!!

Isekai shit is popular because it's escapism for fags with super pathetic lives. So vast majority of nip salarymen. Video game crap got popular because SAO and because it's so easy to write even if you are a pathetic fanfic author.

There are plenty of light novels that have nothing to do with isekai or video games. People keep talking about novel sales like they mean anything but in reality top sellers are just series that got anime recently.

They make isekai for chads like me. I love isekai anime.

>Why does fantasy anime always feature videogame shit
Because it's the only thing most Japanese authors know, sad as that sounds.

/thread
fantasy is a crutch like that. minimal research to do. modern-day logic can be thrown to the curb. Abyss uses it's setting as a highlight and it's inventive, so it's different.

Yeah, Elaina is even better than Kino.

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We need real anime for adults like F/Z, Cobra and Outlaw Star! No self insert. Real deal, Yea Forums

SAO sold very well and made a ton of crappy "writers" jump at the idea.

Yes, isekai existed before but it's SAO that made it really popular.

Exploring giant dungeons is not the problem, video game HUD and skills are. And MC getting cheat abilities for no fucking reason.

>SAO sold very well and made a ton of crappy "writers" jump at the idea.
Someone call JOP user. I remember seeing him btfoing this idea about SAO.
>And MC getting cheat abilities for no fucking reason.
Typical fantasy.

>Yea Forumsermin thread
Kill yourselves.

>videogame shit like levels, tiered monsters, dungeons, guilds
i'm fine with these except levels and status bars. Tiered monsters, dungeons and guilds can still make sense.

>DnD based magic system
wew video games shit bad writing
>LotR/Conan based REAL TRUE "It's magic. I ain't gotta explain" magical magic
shit writing asspull out of nowhere deus ex machine plot armor

Isekai existed before and was even popular before, it's just that SAO showed it could be immensely profitable.

Fact: Every isekai series would be vastly improved if it took place in the WHFB world instead of the Xth iteration of Dragonquest x latest MMORPG

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Literally go watch and read fantasy series from 10 to 20 years ago.

Because it's all based on D&D.
Even fucking LoTR has that in it.
I mean, you fucking have no problem with the beyond tired as HELL fantasy european nation filled with europa people and dragons and elves and armor and swords other generic shite.
But have a major hate on for the shit that makes that crap work on a conceptual level?

>They feel they have to because SAO did it
>he thinks SAO is the first fantasy anime that has game mechanics

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>Didn't the Mayans literally have a death ceremony where the priest drank the blood of human sacrifices like a vampire? Besides, who gives a shit about shitty brown people, Spanish did nothing wrong.

Yeah.
And the jews bite the foreskins off of their newborn boys and suck the blood.
We also strap down newborn boys, have someone stroke them then TEAR OFF THEIR FORESKIN.

user, the mayans were one of the most advanced cultures to ever walk the earth and the spanish were shit flinging plague carrying half sane apes who only brought guns and evil to the americas.

SAO isn't iskai.
It's basically tron+matrix+.hack

.hack came out like 2 months afterwards

>LotR
>based on D&D

What the fuck am I reading?

Do you really not see the difference between having a bit of RPG mechanics to being a 100% video game with classes, skills and HP bars? Really?

Pic unrelated???

Because video games are based off dnd and thats based on fantasy retard. this is just a "which came first? chicken or egg" question

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The fact is that history isn't in favor of SAO being the progenitor of 'game mechanics in manga/anime' it's been a thing for decade+ prior to SAO. And given the OP the topic isn't about 1:1 video game series like SAO or .Hack, just the general trend of videogame mechanics and tropes in fantasy anime. Especially when you track how Dungeons & Dragons and Wizardry spread around Japan and the derivations that came from them.

I love my wife Nanachi!

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>wife

Yes!

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a reallly cute husband, I'm almost jealous

>the mayans were one of the most advanced cultures to ever walk the earth
They were still making pyramids and performing human sacrifice in the Middle Ages.

No him, but that's mostly for their circumstances, they were isolated from the rest of the world, and they lacked a lot of resources that were essential for the progress of europeans and asians

>referring to the Middle Age
>as if that's some sort of universal high mark of culture, recognized the world over
lol

>.hack came out like 2 months afterwards
its true
what the hell
did i slip to alternate reality or something?

Are you ok retard? It's not about being the first, it's about being the first with significant mass appeal and enough success to influence many other works.

they also built a city on a lake that was larger than paris

Seething indio de las colinas, still mad that the entirety of the worthless, inferior and degenerate culture of your ancestors got completely btfo and annihilated by a group of 500-ish Spanish? They weren't even trying too.

That's as much of a retarded reach as saying military ranking is akin to video game levels

>btfo and annihilated by a group of 500-ish Spanish
check your history, or bait a little better

>it's about being the first with significant mass appeal and enough success to influence many other works.
You know all this describes the impact Lodoss Wars had on fantasy LN's/Anime/Manga as well as roleplaying games and TRPG culture right?

Dumbass the point of analogies is to make complex concepts more palatable for the common dumbass (ie. you). If somebody thinks that you need a food analogy to have things spelled out for you then you should be ASHAMED rather than think that there's something wrong with their train of thought.

Made in Abyss makes one of the best uses of this Idea I have ever seen. Even if the structure seems tried and true to you the world building is still completely unique compared to "world inspired by Tolkien/Dragon Quest #8875196"

Nah.

Remember the good old days of fantasy anime? Remember shit like Lodoss and Wizardry?

They were so much better than the shit we get today.

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You being a fucking idiot.

ALL STORIES LIKE THAT HAVE D&D SHIT IN IT BECAUSE ITS WHY LOTR IS POPULAR

Secondly

LOTR HAS THE VERY THINGS THAT D&D EXTRAPOLATED INTO THE GAME SYSTEM THAT WE ALL KNOW

Latinos are simply negros of europe, you have no culture worth of note - all you ever did was to rob other civilizations.

>Remember shit like Lodoss and Wizardry
I remember it being very good to fall asleep to.

It's never easy to sustain the brainlet's attention span.

user, they had unbelievably advanced technology some of which we can't mimic today.
Also, we sell skin creams made of aborted fetuses and foreskins.
We also inject stemcells made from the above into the faces of people to make them look younger.

Oh...oh no.
You're retarded.
No, the only thing they brought was disease and guns.
The guns did little, the armor was easily pierced by their arrows, and their bullets did little to the leather hide of the natives.
But their corrupt lies and disease and evil ways of butchering the heathen natives...
That gave them power.
They were a plage that took down one of the worlds greatest civilization.
Like the aids virus.

>intelligent people pay sustained attention to anything at all
Absolute retard.

I guess this is not really a Made in Abyss thread.

You are retarded.

>SAO

Try Game of Thrones

Because not everyone is a professor of Medieval History like Tolkien