>watched the first couple of episodes when it first aired >thought it was mediocre and didn't bother to continue watching >decided to finally watch it since I didn't have anything better to do >it's actually damn awesome and instantly became one of my favourite shows What is it about shinto-themed all-girls action anime that makes them so good?
Any supplementary material worth cheking out? I can read Japanese.
Watch Mini Toji. There's also a mobage that covers the same events from a different perspective, if you're into that.
>completely bland and shitty action scenes This is actually what had me hooked from the first episode. The swordfighting is about as realistic as you can get it in an anime about teenage girls with superpowers. It's low budget, but the attention to detail in the combat kept it engaging.
It's still my favorite show from recent years. A mobage ad with such a silly concept and such a low budget had no right to be this good. I still can't believe it. They just poured their heart into it.
>Any supplementary material worth cheking out? Shoujo kageki Starlight
I don't know much of japanese swordfighting, but this series supposedly had a consultant that choreographed each fight and anons in threads posted some chinese infographics with fight analyses denoting styles and techniques used in fights. If you compare it to something like Bleach (another series about supernatural swordfighting), this one is never about powerlevels, but about matching and adjusting to opponent, teamwork and dirty tricks. I'm sure some anons would be happy to post webms
I remember these threads too but I mean come on. I'm not a fencing otaku, 'oh look that was totally legit popular sword move!' moments does not excite me at all. Some girls were kinda cute I guess but plot and mc were stupid as hell.
>plot and mc were stupid as hell. No accounting for taste. >I'm not a fencing otaku Neither am I, but they managed to make fights interesting to look at while also using them as character development/expansion, and they didn't succumb to Special Technique wank/Power Level wank. For series that has a swordfight or two almost every episode that's a big plus.
Same. I dropped it after episode 1 and marathoned everything right after it's ended because I had nothing better to do and I didn't regret it. the 2nd season was shit and pointless though, should've ended it after Yukari battle with the god-tier insert song.
The first half is an introduction to the setting and conflict, while the second half brings it all together. It's just a lot more complicated and not presented as clearly as the simple story of the first half. But it gave most characters so much depth that I don't know how you could call it pointless. Personally, the second half is what turned it from a fun anime to one of my all time favorites.
I even went to an anime/gaming con recently, and all I wanted was a Nene plushie. There were none. I think it might be possible this show was not as successful as much as we loved it.
Hiyori is weak too. I mean physically. She gets exhausted easily. And she gets mad on the smallest of things. She doesn't let touching the pantyhose. She can't judge situations at all, and just stands there dumbstruck when shocked. Not much muscle either, she must be very light. She can't follow the mood and cringes silently in the corner. S he gets butthurt when you insult chocomint. She is very slow to trust people. And when she relies on someone, she just gets all embarrassed around them. She gets distracted when she's supposed to eb treating wounds. She doesn't even let people properly try to save her. And she goes on to higher dimensions without waiting for others. She gets suspicious when people act friendly with her. Let's not even mention the aradama business. No pets allowed.
Her character had hardly been established beforehand. And really, failing at everything is her purpose, including failing to die. She's consumed by survivor's guilt and a desire to break this cycle of suffering that her family and friends got wrapped up in. She's vital to Hiyori's character arc, and also some of Tagitsuhime's development. And she's key to the overarching theme of succession. She bridges the gap between the old and new generation.
Why the fuck are BDs so expensive anyway? 13k for four episodes is way too much.
Connor Martinez
>He didn't watch TnM with Yea Forums
Sebastian Johnson
Plenty of articles on that if you look around. Anime is niche. It is essentially supported by fan donation in the form of expensive BDs. People buy them more like support the makers rather than to watch the thing. And even if they dropped the price, sales would not increase significantly. Only about 3500 guys need to buy the BDs for a show to break even. Toji sold around 1000 btw.
Noah Gray
>enjoyed the show the most during the first half because of Yume and her semi-edgy BATORU TANOSHII attitude >second half turned me into a Kaoru fan and a man of the proletariat
I badly need Kaoru images that can spark a revolution.
Imagine being stuck in 17 year old body as a 40's something woman. You could literally pass as the daughter of one of your former classmates
Hunter Williams
I know how it works, user, I sometimes buy BDs myself. But 13k is much more expensive than your average BD.
Evan Price
Yukari looks 29 though.
Jackson Sanchez
>No yumeposting >No edited subtitles >Not sexually destroying the yoyo >Not putting the aradama outside >No guessing when the budget might run out >No swordfight advisor >Not bullying the bird Must be terrifying.
>Toji sold around 1000 btw. From what I've heard, it seems to have done better on streaming services. Still a shame how unnoticed it was, though it picked up attention at the end. And of course Mihono's game brought in money. The new model of releasing a mobage alongside an anime original show for financial security has brought some good stuff.
She was the one pulling the more weight in the final fight, she had no utsushi to protect her from Noro.
Aaron Ramirez
It's a fucking rollercoaster no matter how you look at it, do your best to catch up. It's always enjoyable to watch it as it is airing. Pretty much every season is retarded/bad in some way but there's always something that is fun about it as well.
It was a shame I only skimmed TnM threads as the show aired but riding the Bananaboat from the start was a rewarding experience when her episodes came.
Why didn't you fucks watch Akanesasu Shoujo? Asuka's show was very fun.
Alexander Hall
Twain?
Daniel Morris
>was here for yucky tuna S2, todgers first half, todgers second half, starlight, asuka's show and the other asuka's show Can't believe this season broke my all-girls battle anime streak.
Nah, it was one where she was serving tea or something, or placing something on a desk. She was turning back to the camera.
William Anderson
>What is it about shinto-themed all-girls action anime that makes them so good? Gokumi is mastering the formula. And I love it. The first 10 minutes of Granblem are out as a preview I think.
When you polish your sword with your socks, they're bound to be smelly.
Caleb Turner
Who the hell wears crusty socks?
Hudson Lee
The show was good specifically because the fights werent retarded flashy sakugafests that are so beloved by narutards and big three faggots who just want to see a lot of effects, but they actually had proper weight in them and felt believable.
It had the best portrayal of dual wielding sword fighting in recent memory.
I read that as "Smelling Hiyori is the most beautiful thing ever".
Carson Jones
>watched the first couple of episodes when it first aired >thought it was mediocre and didn't bother to continue watching How does a sudden assassination attempt on the middle of what seemed to be a tournament arc seemed mediocre to you?
>secret powerlevels She's just a sociopath that's quite good at figuring out how to beat people. No powerlevels, she's just competent and smart. You would've seen that in episode 12 when she figured out that she can beat Tagitsu if the latter is forced to attack her first and later provokes Tagitsu by pretending to be possessed by her mother, had you been paying attention.
Evan Thompson
>shes just really good and perfect and never loses a fight, that's all! And that's a good thing! And here's why!
Luke Hughes
>never loses a fight She had to retreat from several fights. It's just that she managed to outskill a couple of specific strong opponents, but that alone doesn't make her a mary sue or unbeatable, especially since it wasn't just a powerlevel wank.
Oliver Green
>>shes just really good and perfect and never loses a fight, that's all! >speedwatching a kusoge advertisement
Yes, but it's billions of people you probably don't like anyway.
Noah Williams
While the protagonists were indeed too sanitized for my taste, Kanami's too much of a jobber to be a mary sue. She almost destroyed the world by being sidetracked into jobbing to Yume.
I only remember watching the first episode but then picked it up around episode 14, was not disappointed. Had to keep watching though because a couple of my favorite VAs were in the cast. Also, Mini Toji and its threads were nice but I want a proper spinoff based on the gacha game events.
I took so many screenshots of her too, she's gorgeous.
It's technically detailed certainly, although I'm not a fan of the big group vs boss battles. They're chaotic because there are so many characters fighting onscreen at once and it doesn't really have the same grounded feeling or coherent story as the katana duels.
Yomi's fights being so bad was a big directorial fuckup and one of the things that brought the series down as a whole. Her fights have no detail and crap scripting, so as a result she seems weak and her attacks ineffective, which is the exact opposite of what should have been intended as she's by far the most accomplished and ideologically-threatening member of the elite guards. She is the second longest-running antagonist (arguably the first if you don't consider cour 1 and 2's tagitsu to be the same character) and probably the hands-down most developed antagonist overall. Overall they just took this extremely critical character to the story and decided for whatever reason to put no effort at all into her scenes.
Charles Carter
It kind of make sense. The anime was made by group of sword autists. And how do you expect them to create a good fight scene of sword vs. swarm of insects?
With swirls of active insects instead of one bland cloud, or psychological tricks, or Yomi using them as an assist to her own attacks. Lack of creativity isn't a good excuse.
whilst her shitting on jobbers is also fun i meant the one where she faces the MC's and starts growing extra arms and uses the 4 sword style, if you can call it that
i thought the power armor and stuff was supposed to make them super soldiers super soldiers (and like 12 of them), all losing at once? seems like jobbing to me
yukari-sama is so cool when shes impaling teenagers
Super soldier mooks are still mooks. To be a jobber you need a name.
Gavin Lopez
>i thought the power armor and stuff was supposed to make them super soldiers They give them super strength, speed and endurance. But the show constantly reinforces that those are useless in face of real skill.
Zachary Diaz
ah, fair enough
Alexander Green
Not only were the insects probably hard to implement on a technical level, Yomi's own style is a weird one they probably didn't know what to do about. Hers is described as "fighting to kill without any regard for one's life whatsoever", but most traditional martial arts which have a heavy emphasis on personal safety doubtfully have an analogue to such a style. Especially since she does a lot of her fighting without Utsushi. Maybe they should have gotten a norse autist seeing as she's very similar in concept to a berserker.
It goes past lack of creativity, episode 6 was straight up unfinished. There's sound effects going on after she injects herself with all the vials while nothing is happening onscreen and shitty placeholder animation everywhere. Having such awful quality so early in the season, and at the antagonistic group's introduction, is disastrous and probably resulted in most of the lost potential for sales the series had.
David Wilson
Sayaka-chan needs to stop eating cookies all the time or she'll get fat and no one likes fat girls!
Jason Roberts
Jobbing would require the jobbee to be initally weaker than the jobber. We already know prior that Yukari how strong is Yukariand her generation are compared to the current generation.
Jace Davis
>prior that how strong Yukari and her generation fixed
>and didn't have the same impact >Hiyori realizing all her years of anger were pointless and she had nowhere to vent it after becoming what she hated >the 4D chess that was Kanami beating lightning Hiyori, and admitting how much she cares for her before being powerless to save her >Kanami showing Tagitsu the techniques of every single person she fought across the show >Kagari telling Hiyori she never actually regretted anything so long as her daughter could be happy >Kanami finally accepting her mother's death upon realizing this is the last time she'll see her, and crying when she didn't even cry at her funeral >Minato inviting Tagitsu to be with them in their final moments after Tagitsu felt too ashamed to come near them >Yukina being given Yomi's sword after coming to understand how she always felt and what she'd lost And that's mostly the surprisingly great finale. The second half was way more impactful, with crazy shit happening nearly every week, though some of it is lost in retrospect when you have things like Hiyori being brought back the very next episode. They really upped the intrigue too. It might have been all over the place, but you're supposed to spend the first 6 or so episodes guessing at what's going on. Kanami is unsure whether she did the right thing and the messy state of the conflict reflects that.
I still don't understand why so many people call cours seasons.
Lincoln Baker
Fucking baffling how a show that looked like a low budget ps3 game half the time was my anime of the season. I kind of blame the Yea Forums threads, as autistic and they were they were very fun.
Thomas Clark
Then you're a moron.
Kevin Parker
A season implies it's complete on its own. These were two halves of one story that aired back to back. Thinking about them separately is dumb when nothing was resolved in the first half and they were always intended to be watched as a whole.
Oh, so that is where that Kanami came from. I thought it was the Yuusha one at first.
Zachary Hughes
Is there anything else?
Nathan Hill
So then how do you explain an anime season that's more than 12 episodes and fits into multiple broadcast seasons? What if it's an odd number like 16 episodes and ends very briefly into the second broadcast season? Are those last 4 episodes a second season? Would you advise people to stop watching the show at episode 12 because that was a complete season? What if a show has its last two episodes delayed and they air multiple seasons later? Are those 2 episodes now the second season? Words can have multiple meanings, but for clarity's sake this is why the word cour exists. Because 1 season of an anime is considered complete.
Aside from Mini Toji and the game, there's a light novel coming soon set in Okinawa 1 year before the anime.
Kevin Lee
>there's a light novel coming soon set in Okinawa 1 year before the anime. Ah yes, the NoWaYu of TnM.
Yui and Hana along with other teams are collecting noro from all over the country to feed Cutehime. Takirihime was absorbed and Yume is out of the hospital but still can't fight for longer than a few minutes.
>Yume is out of the hospital but still can't fight for longer than a few minutes. Did they get her out of the grave and into a hospital? That's pretty damn morbid.
Mason Richardson
I don't feel like it has that potential, since it doesn't seem like it'll focus on the major events of the story. It's only one year prior to the anime.
Logan Mitchell
This season is terrible. I desperately need my fix of all-girl battle team shows. I've already watched all of them. All Asukas are best girls.
Christian Gray
Fuck, when will Takirihime-sama get justice? Maki and Szk dragged her soul out of the Netherlands a while back.
Even if they dragged her soul back wasn't her body supposed to be dead and rotting?
Henry Cruz
I wanted to get into it but it's full of Yukarin worship, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I don't hate Yukarin, I just can't stand her character being shilled every episode.
Jonathan Hill
They need to get her married off somehow, or she's going to be single into her 40's.
Christian Cruz
Damn, the mobage really go full Chinese pandering. Literally only the Chinese like Yume.
My wife, Saya, is very cute, and her show was very fun to watch with Yea Forums. Mobage!Suzuka is actually competent, presumably. The last episode's payoff for Yukarin is great, though. There was a reason we were legitimately worried about her after the last episode. You are incorrect. Yume is popular everywhere.
Maki is way too dense, seduction techniques won't work, I think the only option is saying it loud and clear, make sure that there are no trains or traffic around, also no door in which she can leave.
Failing that, I'm sure Suzuka can trick Maki into signing the marriage certificate. It'll probably take a few years before she realises her family name has changed, and by then she might just accept it.
They'll have their littles IPS babies running around and Konohana Maki will be on their shared bed looking at the marriage picture and think ''Isn't this a little weird''
>Maki's sword is closely associated with Suzuka's style >Suzuka, being a pampered ojou-sama, claims she'll beat Maki in the tournament and demands it as a prize >gets demolished by Maki and spends a year hating her >Maki loses her unit to aradama and her density is amplified by trauma and self-loathing >Suzuka challenges Maki at the next tournament and is beaten again >Maki joins the elite guard and Suzuka chases after because she won't admit defeat, but soon realizes her hate turned to love And that's the mostly untold story of these two. I think it was seeing Maki's weakness that really changed things for Suzuka. She started supporting her instead of antagonizing her. If they were to be compared to Maya and Claudine, it would be in those years before the story started. In the Starlight event, Suzuka actually realizes Claudine reminds her of her old self, and offers her some encouragement.
Dylan Hernandez
>yuri It's not yuri if every girl has a sword.
Adam Evans
Man, I wish we got a story about those altercations, maybe if the Okinawa novel is successful we can see that unfold, though I think as a rival Claudine is better than Suzuka, but I guess that's the endgame of rivalries, isn't Maki's style of swordfighting really blunt? Is that why she thought Maki shouldn't stay with her sword?
Cooper Parker
Cold steel can't defeat flat chest.
Angel Turner
But Maya's only flaw is that she became gay for loli Claudine.
>isn't Maki's style of swordfighting really blunt? Is that why she thought Maki shouldn't stay with her sword? >Suzuka's sword style is Kurama-ryu which was the style that Minamoto Yoshitsune used. Maki's sword, Usumidori or Hoemaru, was the sword that Yoshitsune used throughout his career. Suzuka thought as a practitioner of Kurama-ryu, she is more worthy of that sword than Maki. Basically just a petty reason. It'd be like if Yume bullied Mihono to get her sword.
Do the swords have some signifance to each character, I know that Kanami and Hiyori's swords are related and have that cut the lightning thing, also Nenekimaru being tied to Nene in Kaoru's case, what about the others?
Doesn't Sayaka have a cursed sword is that ever relevant?
Hudson Harris
Sayaka has Yukina's sword.
Adam Perry
>In the Starlight event, Suzuka actually realizes Claudine reminds her of her old self, and offers her some encouragement Aw, that's sweet.
Mihono uses Okita Souji's sword, Kashuu Kiyomitsu, which famously had the tip broken off. In universe, okatana aren't supposed to be able to break, but Mihono's is still broken and plot relevant because of it. There's a legend about Yui's sword, Hotarumaru, that it's able to heal its owner. It's not a specific sword, but the game plot incorporates the Akabane swords, many thousands of swords taken by American occupying forces after WW2 and stored in the Akabane district of Tokyo. There's probably a lot more real sword trivia in here that's just too deep for me.
I like this image, it really shows how much Kanami cares for Hiyoiyon
William Cook
It's so nice that Kanami will polish her sword even if it's small and unleashes its load as fast as lightning
Alexander Morgan
Why did they wear the swords like this instead of using a normal sheath? I believe there is a reason it was used for millennia without retarded hip hinges.
So that their swords won't swing around smacking people.
Jace Sanders
Because it's easier to get around in crowds and tight places with it aligned vertically on your back. The mechanism swings it forward and allows you to draw it like a sheath when you need to. Just imagine them on busy trains without it.
Luke Evans
I recall reading somewhere that they also have to follow some ordinance regarding weapons and the swords have to be in that upright position
They can't just fast draw it with no forewarning, so it's symbolic of their monster-fighting function.
Thomas Kelly
It has official explanation you know.
Basically, it's because japan Sword Ordinance Laws is still in effect in toji no miko world. Civilian may not carry Katana in public, however a Toji need to be able to respond to danger at any moment, those student are civilian when their okatana is mounted, and a toji when their okatana is drawn.
Ian Sullivan
Are you me? Except I'm an EOP.
Colton Turner
This. One of Yukari's special privileges is the right to still use an old-fashioned side sheath.
Their expressions in that image people keep posting tells you everything. Hiyori looks like she has no idea what she's doing while Kanami is encouraging her.
Nicholas Thompson
I hope it's FFXV
Jonathan Price
I hope it's Dragon Quest.
Gabriel Hughes
There's guaranteed to be a Raildex one by the end of the year.
This show had the best sword fights in the history of anime.
Jose Hill
I like Spyce. Yeah, Toji and Revue were better, but Spyce was still really entertaining, even if simpler. I can't hate the show
Nathaniel Adams
It was mediocre as hell. I was really hyped before it was released then didn't even finish it. It was so bland and boring.
Leo Hernandez
I wish it had showed Kurara more. Or gone full edge at the end. As it was, it was pretty much just a by-the-book show.
Jason Nelson
>full edge Hell no. Would've been ruined. The show wanted to be by-the-book harmless fun. And it succeeded for me. Suddenly going edgy is shit If it doesn't start with any hint of edge, don't add it later. You want edge by Takahiro? Go watch and read Akame ga Kill
I'm sure Kanami just couldn't get it up when faced with such a disappointing opponent. That must be the reason why.
Adam Cook
Did other people fight each otjer, too?
Grayson Anderson
>too young for her former friends >too old to relate to the modern tojis
Daniel Martin
She gets along fine with the just as dorky Hiyori.
Logan Harris
Nobody fights in the event story, but it seems like the 4*s fight whoever they're paired with in their side episodes. So Kanami fights Hikari, Szk fights Claudine, Mirja fights Junjun, Mai fights Mahiru, and Hiyori fights Karen. I don't know how any of those turn out, but I know Mahiru considers herself weaker than Mai and Karen is impressed by Hiyori's technique. I don't think Kanami ever actually fights Karen.
Hudson Butler
Shinto nationalist sci fi with lesbians is in fact the best anime genre.
Carter Garcia
>Karen is impressed by Hiyori's technique. Hiyoyon will be the TOP STAR soon.
Luis Jackson
The game story needs to hurry up so we can get more tsundere Hiyori antics with her long lost cousin.
Yomi is weird herself, so her opinions are weird too.
Bentley Wright
The two of them are quite similar in a way — they both failed. Yukari wanted to save Kagari and Minato, but in the end her deal with Tagitsu not only took away most of their lives, it kept a huge danger in the world. Likewise, Hiyori wanted to destroy the great aradama and kill Yukari, but in the end not only was her hatred misguided, she also actually released Tagitsu back into the world.
Isaac Cook
>she also actually released Tagitsu back into the world. That's Kanami's fault for stopping the ritual.
Kevin Gutierrez
Hiyori shouldn't have tempted Kanami with her delicious flat.
Wyatt Myers
Stop victim blaming. She wasn't asking for Kanami's fat thighs just because she dressed like that.
Ryder Cruz
Nothing wrong with weird, but she's a freak.
Cameron Jenkins
The weak should fear the strong, and Kanami is the strongest.
Easton Diaz
And ultimately it didn't really matter since the great aradama is unkillable. It just comes back in a new form few decades. Everyone is born into this centuries old conflict with no end, including Tagitsu. Yukari knew this, but she wanted some small victory. Hiyori wasn't really motivated by saving the world, but avenging her mother, until the end of the first half when her lines in the song talk about how peaceful she feels realizing Kanami will be left behind. And of course, Kanami's lines are about how she'd throw away everything for Hiyori, keeping up the trend of sacrifice that only brings more suffering.
Nathan Allen
Well, they're going to try worshipping the noro next so maybe that will help.
But that's what they did in the past, and it didn't really seem to help. Maybe it lowered the spawn rate of generic aradama, but the great aradama still showed up. The most effective method is what happened with Nene, but that took 300 years of a family line taming just one aradama. Or they could try befriending a great aradama again and getting her to keep some under control. It doesn't solve the issue of impurity though. Humanity really fucked itself messing around with magic swords that are needed to subdue the demons that are created by making magic swords.
They should just let America bring Freedom and Democracy to the Netherworlds.
Camden Sullivan
Why do you like bullying her so much?
Connor Lewis
Drill baby drill. That infinite netherworld energy isn't going to mine itself.
Wyatt James
There will be no more aradama once we burn them off in our cars. There will be micro-aradamas instead.
Ian Phillips
It really surprised me that Kaoru wasn't allowed to strike. Very barbaric.
Kevin Garcia
It's understandable.
Christian Hall
>watched the first couple of episodes when it first aired >thought it was mediocre and didn't bother to continue watching this also happened to me I didn't go back to it however
Brody Perry
Give it 3 episodes user don't be like that
Henry Collins
>Karen is the top God I want to see that
Isaac Reed
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Toji, is in fact, Miko/Toji, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Toji no Miko. Toji is not an an occupation unto itself, but rather another skill set of a fully qualified Miko made useful by the utsushi, jin'i and vital okatana components comprising a full proficiency as defined by the Five Schools. Many sword users use a modified version of the Miko system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Miko which is widely used today is often called “Toji”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Miko system, developed by the ancient Miko. There really is a Toji, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the abilities they use. Toji is the proficiency: the training in the system that hones the abilities of the okatana user. The proficiency is an essential part of the occupation but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a fully qualified shrine maiden. Toji is normally used in combination with the Miko occupation: the whole system is basically Miko with Toji added, or Miko/Toji. All the so-called “Toji” girls are really girls who are Miko/Toji.
>stockings + flat chest Is there a better combination?
Jason Thompson
Freedom zero is the freedom to use kenjutsu however you wish. Freedom one is the freedom to study how kenjutsu works, and change it so you can battle as you wish. Freedom two is the freedom to instruct kenjutsu to others as you wish. Freedom three is the freedom to instruct your modified version of kenjutsu as you wish.