Do you prefer Native isekai or normal isekai?

are you referencing that LN/WN thing where the author literally copied Rem but added dog ears where the MC needs to have sex with his Harem or he will die

Yes, that is exactly what i was thinking about.

>native isekai
Still a retarded term. Things like Goblin Slayer are fantasy. Otherwise everything that doesn't take place on Earth could be considered isekai.

"Native Isekai" is actually "Literary RPG"

There are works where the POV is of a character native to the setting that has to deal with isekai assholes. There's also conflating isekai with tensei, which gets you shit like Endro~!

Gob Slayer is meta-fantasy since the gimmick is they're in an OSR campaign.

What category is Sword Art Online?
Consider that the virtual world they're in, is a world that humanity created in the first place.

native isekai is an ambiguous term that has no clear meaning. Some interpret it as side characters are from other worlds but the main character is native to that world. Another interpretation is that the main character is originally from the world where the main story takes place but grew up in another world. Lastly, people use native isekai to describe shows that are similar to isekai but have no otherworldly characters. There is no agreed upon definition, all we know is the third one is wrong.

Isekai means "another world", so if there are no characters moving to another world it's not isekai.

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The last "definition" you mentioned is complete garbage though. "Fantasy with isekai tropes" isn't isekai if there is no "crossing over to another world" in it.

Did you not read the last 5 words?

If the characters are in other world that it isn't our world it is isekai.

Correct.

Not isekai. Everything physical is still in their normal world.
Japan thinks the same. They love SAO, but in a "best isekai" poll they had over there recently, it wasn't included.

So it's like a semi-native isekai.

So The Lord of the Rings is isekai? What about Star Wars?

>The Lord of the Rings is isekai? What about Star Wars?
Native Isekai.

That's dumb and you know it.

Lord of the Rings is Edwardian Isekai. The hobbits are a stand-in for contemporary England. They just hadn't figured out the otaku-truck-death format yet.

Double wrong shitbird. Star Wars takes place in our world. Just far far away.

Native isekai is a non-isekai series that MIGHT AS WELL BE AN ISEKAI because there are tons of generic isekai elements included in the series.
That's all.
Just like Cyber Punk, it's not like it's either Cyber or Punk.

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Isekai has RPG (most of the time) and fantasy elements, not the other way around.

So... it's not isekai?

What you consider generic isekai elements are probably generic fantasy or generic anime elements and not specific to isekai.

Not literally, but you should understand what it means when people say "native isekai".

In what sense are you using world? Because it could just mean our planet, instead of our universe.
Even if we go philosophic, there's a good chance intergalactic travel is physically impossible due to the constant expansion of the universe so our "world" would be limited to our galaxy cluster.

Not really. A fantasy work being an allegory of a real world society doesn't make it an isekai; there wouldn't be anything that isn't isekai if that were the case.

I can understand they're dumb as rocks.

So what the fuck is fantasy nowadays if you can just replace the word with "native isekai"?

Fantasy nowadays are just imitating isekai LN elements. they don't deserve to be called "fantasy", they're simply a cheap knock-off of generic isekai series, thus native isekai.

just look at her

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>Native isekai is a non-isekai series that MIGHT AS WELL BE AN ISEKAI

Basically an ambiguos isekai then? Native isekai.

I would argue isekai requires travel to another universe. Otherwise anything where the "world" is "different" would fall into the definition and the term is meaningless. Every story starts with the main character's world changing in some way. I have never seen isekai refer to a space travel or time travel story outside of bait threads like this.

>There are people thinking native isekai is a valid genre label.
How dumb are you people