Can pretty pictures become art?
Can pretty pictures become art?
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Only if they're referrencing classic art
kill yourself togashitfag
What about this?
>Can art be art
what's going on in this picture
>only togashi copies traditional art!
Hiatus plebs are such brainlets
art is subjective, even shit can be an art to someone.
TRULY K I N O
>Miura just copies classical art without meaning behind them
Сool i guess..
What the fuck happened?
Add Murata to the right.
Has HxH been featured where the mona lisa hangs (the louvre)?
look at this dud... OH NO NO NO NO
>without meaning behind them
If you have the critical thinking of a child, it might seem that way
>critical thinking for reading moe manga
what did he mean by this
Berserk is deep bro!!
why are you using a mix of anime and manga images to explain the manga cover?
You're a naive idiot who truly doesn't understand what kino means. The following paragraphs will show you why the execution is the most crucial component when it comes to referencing pieces from the world in your own narration.
To begin with, Togashi has a big interest in the continent of Africa. For example, the Dark Continent in the Hunter x Hunter series is clearly a reference to subsaharan Africa. Why? It is subsaharan Africa that was also called the Dark Continent. To the Europeans, Africa was and still is known as a mysterious place, especially up until before the 19th century. Welsh journalist and explorer, Henry M. Stanley was probably the first to use the term in his book "Through the Dark Continent" which was written in 1878.
The map on the right dates back to 1554. See how it resembles the type of map drawn by Togashi. Furthermore, one can say that "the Demon World" in his other manga series Yu Yu hakusho is another reference to Africa. Just food for thought.
God that art is trash
>literally rips off Toriko
Shima should have sued that piece of shit.
>dark continent
>africa
togashi is so based
>pasta
yea sure thing buddy, and also "togashi refrenced africa" HOLY SHIT WHAT A WRITER!!11!!111
give me another pasta
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Alzheimer's
idolm@ster
How can you be an artist for 40 years and still draw like a toddler? Literally impossible unless you're incredibly lazy and never bother to improve. Why does Japan tolerate this lazy piece of shit?
>>pasta
Look in the archive if you can find the same post
>meruem is called light, this somehow make him a white dove
>then royal guard and the king are equals, except that’s not true in the series
Pretty weak connection, also I like how you only have one example out of the artwork here
>having edits to debunk every single delusional assumptions made by the anti-hxh party
based hunterbros
His drawings have a lot of soul.
>except that’s not true in the series
they became "equal" after Pouf and Youpi literally feed themselfs to the king in order to revive him.
pic related
It's called Art x Art for a reason
I just noticed how every tent is using a piece of wood that ends in smaller branches that ressemble the symbol of the hawk the Holy See uses as a symbol for their religion
maybe I don't have some context, by how a dude pierced by swords and the protagonist fishing an hybrid beast should be influenced directly by togashi?
Berserk ends when Guts dies and is isekaied as an idol.
you call that sketch art??
I literally cant tell if the people that post shit like this about hxh are joking or not. They dont actually think this series is deep do they?
Reply to this post if you can find me a more intimidating page from Berserk, kid
cause he produces this eternal seeth without having no intention on doing so
About 0.2% of them do.
I quite literally and unironically think that HxH is the best written piece of literature since Atlas Shrugged.
I can go on
Pretty sure it’s the opposite Pouf and Youpi gave up some of their “being” to save his life and thus ended up weaker. Also Pouf is hiding the truth from the King about that blind girl after he lost his memories
how can HXH compete??
forgot pic
He used to be so good, but now...
that's scary, not intimidating
seething samefag
Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
>that hand
OH NO NO NO
With God-tier hatching
thats still better than hxh
Are you posting fan art on purpose you absolutely fucking retarded faggot? Not even a hxh fag
What is this art style called? It looks sort of like brush stokes
It's kinda cute how Miura is trying to imitate Togashi's cross hatching skills but still horribly fails at doing so, pitiful see
Its impressionism. Togashi used a brush with some ink without guide lines. Pure art.
thats probably the best panel in HXH but its still shallow compared to berserk
b8
Stop this meme. Both Togashi and HxH is shit.
Based. I love how Togashi experiments with art style in Chimera Ant arc.
Love this Pollock-esque Meruem piece
>lets just draw lines over everything instead of decent shading
Is it this?
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man, if you want to keep the rage flowing at the very least bait with some effort
I can do it better
togashi cant compete
Did he spill ink on this page?
Thats kino as fuck, too bad his art is trash now, while Togashi is still consistent
even miura at his shittiest is better than toga
Possibly.
we'll see when the next hxh chapter comes out in 2020 :^).
Besides
Miura at his worst>>>> Togashi at his best
Kek. These look quite random, so I'm guessing he did
>Impressionism is a 19th-century art movement characterized by relatively small, thin, yet visible brush strokes, open composition, emphasis on accurate depiction of light in its changing qualities (often accentuating the effects of the passage of time), ordinary subject matter, inclusion of movement as a crucial element of human perception and experience, and unusual visual angles.
The fuck it's not.
Yeah consistently shit!
this is miura now(latest chapters)....not even comparable to togashi on his best
I wonder where did he trace these from?
Based Togashi
>See how it resembles the type of map drawn by Togashi
It doesn't even remotely resemble it.
>that 0 detail
Art has to evoke emotion.
Berserk's art is a joke now.
It's a tribute to Quentin Blake. Plebs like you won't understand.
>that pic
ugh..eye poison, cant even draw gore right.
kek, that chapter came out 10 years ago
still looks better than hxh with togashi's trademark 0 detail
>abstract expressionism
>detail
Berserkfags don't know shit about art, how surprising
>making a shitty emulation of masterpieces with your awful character designs is "art"
The state of huntercucks
Whose the qt in the bottom panel?
>spilled ink
>art
Miura has always been like that. remember Puck
>Berserk's art is a joke now.
yup.. and its still better than HXH, thats the discussion were having
abstract art is a fucking joke.
yes i was talking about when he changed his artstyle to become more cartoony
>just put some paint and its supposed to mean something
pathetic excuse for untalented artists
>posts comedic relief panel
The moment i relized this poster is a child
Nobody thinks that. His art is all digital now. He has lost his passion.
Yes?
I bet you one of those people who think that Malevich was a hack without really understanding context of suprematism
>just put some paint and its supposed to mean something
>art supposed to mean something
Are you retarded?
Togashi dabs on Miura. That's it
Fucking hell that girl looks like trash
based and artpilled
When will the mods do something about them? Worse than /pol/fags at this point.
>admitting that you browse /pol/
you have to go back
Legit looks like shit there
Like hxh does have some good art but this ain't it
>Malevich
OH NO NO NO
this is art to you? i can do that shit in ms paint. and then claim it is the meaning of life. ultra kek. well that explains why you like hxh's art
Miura is a sell out without any pride because he moved to CG, Adobe filters and Photoshop. Togashi has remained true to his art and still uses pen and ink. He is a true artist.
togashi at his best< miura at his wort
never post niggastream scans again, if you want to be called a hunterchad
That "shit" costs 2,5M and its exposed in one of the greatest gallery in the world
>tribute to Quintin Blake
The difference with Miura and Togashi is that what Miura does can be done by literally any artist, just tell them to draw realistically and give them time and they will put out something that looks just as good.
Now, to do something like Togashi...that is more difficult, because there you have to be poetic and draw emotion on paper, and that's something only a few can do.
uninronically this, and i say that as someone who has read both series
thats all digital trash, not true art
berserk has a lot of comic relief. the page i was replying to is comic relief too
>That "shit" costs 2,5M
I figured, there is alot of bullshit """""artists""""" that make it to the top
truly kino
if an artist defecate and say their shit represents their life, their shit would cost 5 million dollars.
people are so fucking stupid to call this shit "art"
>i can do that shit in ms paint. and then claim it is the meaning of life
You just proved my point about not understanding context of suprematism and futurism in general
His whole cicle of "black figures" is not about meaning, it's about rejecting usual values of art and finding new tools of expression. Brainlet
Again. Togashi dabs on Miura
This. Togashi's fundamentals, sense of composition and paneling, and his understanding of anatomy, lighting, space/depth and expressions are unmatched.
guys how do you like my """art"""
If there's anything rogashis actually good at it is panelling
based
Seeing how fucking awful the HxH fanbase has become is making me nostalgic for narutards. Atleast they kept their shit to themselves and didn't feel the need to attack other mangas.
Where do I send the $2mill
Narutards never had a haitus
Why are you Berserkfags triggered by post- modernist art?
mondrian already did that
>it's about rejecting usual values of art and finding new tools of expression.
one of the most bullshit things ive heard in my entire life. so tell me what is a square expressing? dont tell me "everybody sees it diffirently"
God, that's so good. So much soul in one page. with just some ink and brushes
>pic
what a horrible mess, its like a one piece panel
postmodernism is a fucking joke broke artist use to bullshit their way to get money.
this, i guess i found my new job, an """artist"".
>tell me what is a square expressing?
I just told what his works express in general in context of modern art: rejecting usual values of art and finding new tools of expression
But Malevich himself made some remarks about this work:
>"It is from zero, in zero, that the true movement of being begins."
>"I transformed myself in the zero of form and emerged from nothing to creation, that is, to Suprematism, to the new realism in painting - to non-objective creation."
>"Black Square is meant to evoke the experience of pure non-objectivity in the white emptiness of a liberated nothing."
You really dont understand art.
Ah shit here we go again
and again
and again
and again
>head on lap
i can give you a millon panels of other manga, that have the same pose
What do whispervirgins even have with Berserk? I mean I could understand Naruto or MHA,but Berserk? They dont even have the same audience: Berserk is seinen and HXH is shounen.
>One of the most overused symbols in media is deep
Get on my level
Miura's art isn't really exceptional outside of the manga world.
>his works express in general in context of modern art: rejecting usual values of art and finding new tools of expression
soooo he is just doing shit because "he wants a new tool of expression" by introducing the square, truly genius
>Can pretty pictures become art?
photography is considered art yes
so he literally just bullshit his way with his works? great, you just proved he's a hack.
Berserk is shounenshit
But Berserk has shonen demographic of young boys who love edgy violent fantasy trash, like GoT
Hunter x Hunter in other hand manga for intellectuals about human condition, war and politics
MHA is deep now confirmed by whisperfags
Um are these HxH drawings supposed to be good? I've seen better from freshman art students...
When did HxH fags become so insufferable?
There is obviously more to that than just "head on lap". Thats the Virgin Mary holding, the son of God, someone who was born to rule over humans and enlighten them with the truth and free them from suffering. Doesn't it sound exactly the same as Meruem's story?
>draw really rough 2/3rds profile of pretty girl
>scribble on it
>spill your ink
>people call it a masterpiece
Jesus christ. I wish you guys were grading my compositions.
Every single word ITT is total bs. At least some nice pages have been posted, but still, holy fuck, some of you guys really need to start doing something more productive with your lives
>just straight up copy poses
>"t-truly the miracle of our times..."
I guess art students transcend human boundaries daily then.
And HxH's is?
only retarded shounenshitters with a surface level understanding of media (aka most hunterfags) think that berserk is only about violent, sex, and gore.
berserk is a character study of guts overcoming trauma and not giving into mindless revenge so he can put himself back together again
Based. Chimera Ant arc is all about religion from Buddhism and concept of samsara to Christianity
No, it doesn't matter how many gay pastas you drop from your shitposting folder,CringeXCringe will ALWAYS be shounen,while Berserk will be seinen. Don't fucking reply to me again,vermin.
>someone who was born to rule over humans and enlighten them with the truth and free them from suffering.
except meruem did the opposite, so that comparison does not work here
>inb4 pasta
Togashi is a master of fundamentals, paneling and creating memorable page composition. The man is a genius who can set up his scenes from interesting pov angles that are able to put in contrast what each scene is exactly trying to portray. As an example, I'll direct you to this page which is one my favorites of Togashi's magnum opus. Let me break it down for you:
The head shot of Gon breaks the boundaries of the first panel, which already takes up almost the entire first half of the page, making him feel imposing and setting the tone. His pointing hand is aimed right at the eyes of the reader and it seems to hover above the page, making it feel close and uncomfortable.
The reactions to his words are framed around the hand, small and unimportant. The final panel is a shot of the enemy's feet, giving the idea that they're looking down in defeat and submission.
Quite frankly, I don't call it just a masterpiece, I call it " Art Of This Century"
> be lazy
>fans call it abstract
jeez louise
>pastas
i knew they were coming
>born to rule over humans
check
>enlighten them
Meruem means the light that illuminates all
>free them from suffering
That was his intention, go read the chapter where he's talking with Netero
>Togashi is a master of fundamentals, paneling and creating memorable page composition.
Anyone who thinks this overly verbose trash is in any way clever writing needs to have their brain checked out, it's just words for words' sake.
The composition of that page is awful dude. Like really really bad. Anyone would tell you that.
No one gives a shit about fundamentals. No one gives a shit who is more loyal to art as a whole. The fact is beserk has always and will always look better than HxH end of story.
hunterfags can only posts in "Based" and pasta and it makes them feel superior somehow.
never heard a more true thing
user..
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Plebs criticize Togashi because they are unfamiliar with advanced paneling, this doesn't make him a bad artist. In fact, Togashi is able to shift between different kind of styles whenever its needed, that's what distinguishes him.
One is a regular tiger, the other is a demon tiger. You have not convinced me. Give up now.
I was on board with the ironic huntershitposting until I realized these niggers were 100% cereal.
>Draws demon tiger
>IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD!!
user...
>No argument
Just concede and save your dignity.
Left clearly looks more detailed than right. It's not about realism vs fantasy
>why does the tiger specifically designed to be grotesque to resemble a demon not look like a real life tiger.
>"realistic" tiger that doesn't even look like real tiger
>monster tiger that looks like a monster
How does that prove Togashi is superior?
Yes, hxhfags are the niggers of Yea Forums
>that netero face
holy shit, can it get any worse?
Again, no one gives a shit. Ask anyone which one looks better and they will all say berserk. You can bitch and moan about them being plebs but it wont change that.
The poor use of gestalt makes it so you see a midget with a hand sticking out of his chest. Do I reall need to explain middle school art concepts to you?
user...
fuck off with your mindless cherrypicked page, we're in the midst of a discussion about modern art referring to togashi's unmatched paneling and classic composition
Yeah, and has been latching to that exact same shit without moving anything for the last 250 chapters, Miura basically did 80% of the story in the first 100 chapters and now is just a drag on of guts slashing shit, apostles raping chicks, and the party members making jokes.
Just fight Griffith already, resolve the character and end the manga.
Masterful.
>cherrypicked
>dude it has alot of lines so it's good
Yikes.
Someone ate more than 5g of shrooms
and it still looks better than hxh
You clearly don't understand what good lines in artwork mean. Also the form, the inking, the trajectory, the symmetry of each line. Togashi does that masterfully. Miura uses CGI. He does that for background, buildings, fillings and coloring. Go ask a drawfag or someone who understands about manga art. You don't know anything about artwork and you just like overdetailed CGI shit.
His art is souless and it will never match the likes of Togashi
>when a turkey exudes soul and love than the entirety of burserk
I love HxH and Togashi for making it happen
more*
>niggastream
you're desperate lmao
literaly just went to one of the latest chapter, and this is the first page i am greeted to, jesus fucking christ.
This is whats happening to Berserkfags right now
based
Tbh, if we're talking about consistently good art, then isn't Hiro Mashima the GOAT? Say what you want about Fairy Tail, but its art is better than the average HxH/nu-berserk page
truly a masterpiece
You scared of words, brainlet?
Hahahahaha
it doesn't trace a made artwork and full of scribbles, so it's shit based on hunterfags.
Some kind of fun parade. After Hieronymus Bosch.
>changing the argument
user said it was cherry picking, it clearly isnt, you understand brainlet?
He reads Berserk. He can only read manga with double page spreads where badass dude with big sword goes unga bunga every 5 seconds
T-Too much w-words, s-save me Oda-sama!
AITAKENO YUME WO KAKIASUMEEEEE YUUUHUUUUUUUUU WE ARE!
Much better...ufff ufff.
>Togashi making fun of hunterchads
wew
I know you're a baiting scum, but why didn't you pick this page from the same chapter while insisting on keep posting niggastream scans? Kill yourself
While i find this character to have become somewhat interesting that is just edgelord garbage right there.
Why did you stop at the first page, brainlet?
I'm not talking about Miura I'm talking about the page you posted which is also has very asymmetrical linework so I don't understand your point.
There are limits, and when it's just week after week of the same garbage it gets old, it's not interesting and it's not rewarding, you don't have to think for yourself since they tell you every single fucking detail.
>escaping the argument
sasuga whisperfag
kek
Well. he's a sociopath. He probably very narcisstic and jerk offs on how "educated" and superior to everyone he is.
if reading lots of words makes you automatically smarter than those who don't, then you are definitely not the smart one. manga are supposed to be a visual storytelling. it means telling a story through illustrations or other visual information.
>inb4 words are visual information
I really don't understand why you're posting such bad pages to prove your argument.
This looks worse than something from the beginning of Tenjou Tenge. Its notebook tier sketching.
>pic
you're just proving my point on it not being "cherry picking"
unironic brainlet, i hope togashi gets a bit more wordy in the next batch, just to make sure your kind goes extinct
it still doesnt change
I can tell just by looking at your prose that you have a double digit IQ
test
Are you done with your shit artists now? let me post real art not ripoff art and basic art from someone who's drawn alot and has time to draw but art filled with depth and emotion.
>Its notebook tier sketching
Thats percisely why its great. There is nothing more pure and close relationship between an artist and his notebook. Togashi shared with his readers that personal relationship, by doing this he broke the taboo
>miura depends on CGI
togashi depends on tracing
>it means telling a story through illustrations or other visual information.
So why does manga has speach bubbles? Manga is a synthesis of art and literature. Cherrypicking pages from HxH in order to create illusion that Togashi can't in visual storytelling is very cheap, brainlet. Also read a book.
>no argument
clearly you are the one with lower IQ.
>ripping off some old paintings is art
ok
>entry level faggots arguing entry level artwork
from this post alone, ive realized that whisperfags accept mediocrity.
Kubo could be picasso-tier (which he obviously never will be), but I still wouldn't take him seriously, just because of the fact his series got axed.
So many words... How will you survive this?
I'm glad you enjoy it, i suppose you have some condition that allows you stomach such trash writing.
>source: my ass
speech bubbles are there to add little details that can't be told through illustrations. if your manga can't present a story or context with few words, then why make manga and not novel instead?
looks like every generic nu-manga with ecchi and waifubait tbqh
Oh Great is good but should never be in charge of his own manga.
But Samura Hiroaki and Endo Hiroki are my favorites
All pictures are art if someone sees it as art.
It is but the mechanical design is insane.
He ended it like he wanted.
>How will you survive this?
implying I will read this garbage series
>Berserkfag in 2019 dares to bark about something being garbage
never seen a more soulless/lazy drawing
I honestly feel bad for you """people""" who've never read a book in their entire life
Do you concede now?
I love that hunterchads think they're so cool because Miura traces art. But if they dint get all these pictures showing what art he traced from reddit, they wouldn't even know about.Truly the cultured man's choice.
Where did you get this scan? Its clean and sharp like Viz, but the black is slightly darker. It looks better that way
I have, and in an actual good book adults they dont repeat/spell out the plot for you to understand, because that is for children.
Why did you enter this thread, cringe amerimutt
these are some good examples, i'm not shitting on togashi. just the argument "lots of word means intelligent writing" doesn't really apply to manga format.
Cope. miura is a fucking hack and traces the work of others
>Missing the point
Spoken like a true whisperfag
Wow. And i loved berserk when i was 15. Who would have thought that Miura is a hack
you dont know what tracing is do you?
what your pic is, is influence
this is tracing-->
Miura is literally pasting panels and altering them digitally.
What is pic related then?
>all this shit Bleach art
Glad it got axed
Togashi is literally pasting art and tracing it physically
who cares? a mix of tracing or influence
but we are talking about hxh
Rent free
>he got so assblasted he decided to childishly mock
keep it up
feels so good to be a hunterchad
hunterbros...how could this happen to us..I thought hxh was supposed to be smart for smart readers like us...damn
Don't get fooled by this forced meme, HxH is for intellectual people.
>replying
Based and artpilled
Arthouse by Togashi-sensei
why do so few try to pull a muria and create a master piece out of an okay premise. I mean read black swordsman. Than Muira right after does a golden age, than lost children - conviction. Fuck man, that's like 100 chapters of gold.
And Muira had made how many Manga at this age?
underageb& edgelord detected
frig off, no one cares for hunter drones. Your series will never finish. It's an adventure in world exploration, that's it. Wanna be one piece fuckers.
wait a second, togashi just rips off actual art? I really appreciated the finer details and deeper meanings of his drawings before but now realizing its just ripoffs of true art, I cant read this again knowing its all style and no substance. Damn feels bad to be a hunterchad now. Atleast the hiatus should be over soon right?
If you don't see subtext behind Coronation of threVirgin, Salome / Hisoka and Saturn Devouring his Son within the context of the story you are brainlet.
Stop pretending to be Hunterchad, falseflagger
out of all the examples you chose Saturn devouring his son? That's the one he deliberately just copy and pasted to fit that into the basic father vs son plot. I knew that even before fellow hunterchads posted these examples of "hxh high art". You and I should try still to enjoy hxh in the future but you shouldn't force yourself to make sense of deeper meanings when its just a facade.
Within the same chapter you hunterfags had the gall to use the "trolley problem" as an example of "intelligent writing". Babbies first ethical dilemma.
...
>designs every character wearing a black kimono
>oh shit how do i draw backgrounds that don't merge with the character?
hunterchads we shouldn't fight. if other fellow hunterchads makes a mistake we should correct them in a civil way, that is how the intellectuals solve problem without arousing disputes between ourselves.
>backgrounds that don't merge with the character
Samurai 8 needs to learn this lesson
>Babbies first ethical dilemma.
It is known that HxH is beginner friendly.
remember when Huntervigins made this and were so humillated that they stayed quit for like a month?
youtube.com
good times
Nice try Togashi, but you're not Taiyo Matsumoto. You probably think it's a treat to the readers to try and make your art look refined - it's not. You do us service by actually finishing your arcs
non-hunterchads try too hard