Why do people hate her? She's adorable

Some people will hate her because she's damaged goods, Sakurafags will try deflect or argue otherwise but it's just the facts. That's not an admonishment of anything about her character, just that damaged goods is something that attracts/repulses you like any other character trait.

She's literally full of worms and, given her promiscuity, plenty of other venereal diseases as well.

Good thing Realta Nua retcons that, then.

>gets dewormed
>not promiscuous in the least
Try reading the VN before shitposting.

Good thing FGO is the new canon.

Yeah, where Parvati calls Sakura's body pure.

And Kama exists. We've been through this before, user. We're not going to reconcile your love of a remake to my love of the original.

>my love of the original
>f-fgo is the new canon!

>Kama exists
And yet Sakura's body is pure, as proven by what Parvati says.

How can someone see her and not want to protect her smile?
She's been through so much and deserves happiness.

Not contradictory points. I'm being facetious pointing out that according to the mainline timeline FGO is now the new canon so if they deny that then I have free reign to deny Realta Nua as just a all-ages remake.

You can't use this argument every time. "Parvati said she was pure, so the later released Kama can't be right"

>Used good
>Literally worms slut
>Blame people around her for not helping her when she won't even reach out for them.
>She's basically a misery porn
>Makes shirou abandon his ideals after the VN spent 40+ hours hammering it into your head how important they are to him

Not an argument.

>"Parvati said she was pure, so the later released Kama can't be right"
All Kama says about Sakura is that she seems to have a misfortunate connection to the grail, though. Kama is based on Dark Sakura.

>Kama is based on Dark Sakura.
You're right. Kama is taking possession of Sakura because of her Dark Sakura aspect. A dark side fitting enough to be the container for a Beast class servant, an Evil of Humanity.

Makes sense, what with Angra Mainyu being all evils of humanity.

Angra isn't an Beast though, he's Anti-Beast. Sakura's dark side existed long before she got GRAILED.
How bad are you of a person when All Humanity's Evils is less compatible as a Beast class servant than you are?

She had the exact same dark side every single person has, becoming avenger's master made it into a full flegged thing.

>because of everyone in the world the Beast chose anyone else to be the container
Face it, Sakura's dark side is worse than everyone else's. Who kills a man for making a non-violent threat?

>Who kills a man for making a non-violent threat?
Kotomine deserves absolutely everything that happens to him.

I wasn't talking about Kotomine but the fact you admit she harmed more than one person just helps my case.

Kotomine did nothing wrong.
Face the facts.

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I like her tits.

>Zouken.
Deserved it
>Shinji
Deserved it.
>Kotomine
Desverd it.
That's it, people she killed, all villains.

I don’t. She’s been my favorite heroine of the original three since forever.

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Shinji is a victim of abuse just like Sakura.
You're just a hypocrite if you excuse Sakura for the consequences of her actions, but don't do the same for Shinji.

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He tried to rape her (again), so she defended herself and killed him (unconsciously) as both the VN and movie showed.

And that disproves what I said how, exactly?

So? Sakura didn’t go around raping and taking her hurt/anger/bitterness out on others the way he did with her for years upon years. She only snaps when the worlds most concentrated evil overtakes her and corrupts her.

That killing a person who's trying to rape you is justified?

I hate her pet fish

That's Angra Mainyu corrupting her mind.
>b-b-but kotomine!
Just because she's herself on the inside doesn't mean Angra Mainyu isn't influencing her.

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because she's an actual woman instead of a paper doll and people don't like that

>Sakura didn’t go around raping and taking her hurt/anger/bitterness out on others the way he did with her for years upon years. She only snaps when the worlds most concentrated evil overtakes her and corrupts her.
So?
It doesn't matter. Both had the same reason (that being Zouken) behind their further actions. And people got hurt in both cases.
Actually, Shinji never (successfully) killed anyone, so he's a better person than Sakura.
Yeah, sure.
But I'm disputing the statement that Shinji is a villain under implication that Sakura is not.
Either Shinji and Sakura are both villains, or neither is.

>Actually, Shinji never (successfully) killed anyone, so he's a better person than Sakura.
Yeah, he just had rider rape people for fun then almost murdered his whole school if he hadn't been stopped.
That looks like a legit good person.

You're literally saying
>this serial killing is a victim because his dad diddled him when he was a kid!

He's not.
But he sure as hell is better than Sakura.

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You're literally saying
>this serial killer is a victim because her adoptive granddad diddled her when she was a kid!

Literally delusional. There’s a reason majority of fans don’t give a fuck about him and welcomed his death in HF. I acknowledge that he didn’t have a great childhood, but it wasn’t as horrifying as the one of Sakura. She only snaps when she’s corrupted whereas he snaps from the get go aka taking out his hurt and anger on others. There’s a huge difference in how both deal with their pain, and if you can’t see that then you’re just obtuse.

>this thread

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She was abused the moment she stepped into the Matou household. Even her food was poisoned then Shinji started to abuse her as well. Him being “neglected” aka not being the chosen master is nothing compared to what Sakura was put through.

Yes.
Shinji was a villain.
Just like Sakura.

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She's still doing it, so it's on her.

Sure, but she had to be corrupted by the worlds most concentrated evil in order to become a villain. He didn’t.

>attempted rape justifies murder
Basedboy spotted.
She let Angry Man do it. She is an accomplice at best. At worst it was her decision to kill others.

>>attempted rape justifies murder
Literally, yes, as it's self defense.

Yes, it was her decision to kill four villains. Good on her.

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>attempted rape justifies murder
Imagine being canadian
In a real fucking non cucked country you can shoot someone for just trespassing on your fucking property and it's justified and protected by law

>Sakura is not Dark Sakura
>The Shadow is Wormslut
Retard.

>rape is the same as having your life threatened
>rape is on the same level as murder
t. barbarian

>implying Zouken wasn't guiding the Shadow to where he needed it to go by pleasuring it with worms

Enjoy being jailed for misgendering trannies and defending your families against rapists and burglars!

Rape is more horrifying to me actually. You can have a reason to murder someone, but you can’t say the same for rape.

>>Sakura is not Dark Sakura
I dunno, that's what sakurafags keep on telling me.

They don't, though. They just point out that all she does is kill villains.

Yes, it's literally an attack on your person by force and it's always considered as self defense.

What the fuck? Rape is a form of assault at worst. People do it for the same reason they beat someone.

Rape doesn’t kill you. Sakura’s life was not in danger.
You see how her retribution was entirely disproportionate, correct?

It’s still more horrifying to me. You can murder or beat someone as self-defense, you can’t say the same for rape.

>They don't
Not in this thread, no. But they usually say that Sakura is a dindunuffin who hadn't killed anyone in the story ever and it was all someone else's fault.
>all she does is kill villains
Was Rin a villain when she tried to kill her?
Was Shirou?

He was beating her up at the same time as he raped her. He also tried to kill her earlier on.

Rape can lead to death though through suicide. Rape victims suffer from PTSD, major depression, anxiety etc.

Imagine being assaulted and raped by someone twice your size and stronger than you and not fighting back any way you could against them. How many onions are you cucks fucking drinking a day? Jesus christ.

>Was Rin a villain when she tried to kill her?
Yes, Rin was a villain when she tried to kill Sakura. Justified self defense.
>Was Shirou?
He came back and tried to defend Rin, who he knew was trying to kill Sakura.

You don’t beat someone in self defense. Beating someone is to attack them while they’re not a threat. The purpose of both is to hurt someone. Beatings are more likely to kill than rape.
Fair enough, but he didn’t attempt it again.
That’s women making it a big deal for political and social leverage. A woman’s ability to choose her partner is sacred in the eyes of society.
Again, that’s like getting beaten but unless he also threatens to kill me my life is not in danger. It’s physical battery but to the genital area.

>Yes, Rin was a villain when she tried to kill Sakura.
All Rin did was try to kill a villain. Isn't that your argument?
>He came back and tried to defend Rin
How evil of him.

But Sakura is the heroine, not a villain, as Nasu himself states.

>Again, that’s like getting beaten but unless he also threatens to kill me my life is not in danger.
>Even if he's beating me and raping me, if he doesn't specifically state he's going to kill me that means I'm in no danger at all and have no right to defend myself, it's morally wrong!
Legitimately what is wrong with you, how are you this beta

Saber and Rin fags are the louder majority.
Sakura bros never had a chance.

I guess the argument is back to Shinji not being a villain then.

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But he's not a heroine.
Shinji route never ;_;

Wonderful strawman. Nowhere did I say I’m not in danger or that I have no right to defend myself. However the defense, and punishment, must be proportional to the crime.
But I mean, what should I expect from Sakurakeks if not terrible reading comprehension? Please continue white knighting whores.

Then we can agree to disagree. I find rape to be more horrifying and believe that trauma comes along with it, not just women trying to gain the upper hand. Would you say the same about children and trying to gain leverage if a child that was raped was to show signs of major depression and PTSD?

Saberfags aren't loud, and Rin is less popular than Sakura nowadays.

One day our hero will get his redemption story, mark my words.

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>However the defense, and punishment, must be proportional to the crime.
So a life of abuse and rape=murder.

Exactly. An eye for an eye.

To Sakura, Shinji is a villain because she's his victim, so he's a villain.

Why would it be traumatic to women who’ve had miles of cock inside her already? Kids are another matter obviously as they shouldn’t be having sex anyway. Obviously even pedophiles don’t deserve to be executed.
Keep white knighting.
That’s only if Shinji killed her.

>However the defense, and punishment, must be proportional to the crime.
Except Sakura had no means to do this as you say, because she as a woman is physically weaker than Shinji.
>Please continue white knighting whores.
Oh so you're just a baiting rincuck, got it. Explains the complete lack of intelligence and incredible nack for cuckery you've displayed..

She had the means to restrain him. That is Matou’s magic.
Not at all. I’m merely stating a fact: she cannot be reasonably traumatized by it and even if she were, she was not justified in murdering her brother.

It doesn’t matter how much sex a person has had with [x] amount of partners. If consent isn’t present on both sides then it’s rape. I know this is Yea Forums, but the lack of empathy still manages to floor me. Imagine thinking pedophiles don’t deserve to be shot.

>I think he's a villain, so it's okay to kill him
I'm sure that will hold up in court.
It's the same as the claim that from your point of view the jedi are evil.

>I'm sure that will hold up in court.
Killing your rapist absolutely does though.

pity reply

It would hold up once Sakura were to reveal the abuse she suffered at his hands.

Pedophiles and rapists should be neutralized as a threat and punished accordingly, but as they didn’t kill why should they deserve death? People who are raped can still live meaningful lives while those who die cannot. Women who are raped are only traumatized because society tells them to be. The reality is that it’s no different from any other form of physical assault.

>Sakura ever revealing anything instead of just silently judging everyone for not helping her anyway

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>punished accordingly
You keep saying this yet you never actually state what kind of punishment you mean.

They should die. There is no reason to rape another human being, especially a child. Beating and murder though can be both be seen as self dense. You can beat someone to death or murder them in order to save yourself.

roasties like sex. they only get traumatized if they don’t like the rapist so how is it traumatic?

>Women who are raped are only traumatized because society tells them to be
Why do you hate women so much?

sure smells like /r9k/ in here

It’s not an easy thing to admit. Not only is there shame and guilt on her side, but once Sakura admits how horrendous her life has been, she can’t go back to just dealing with it the way she has been for years. She has to truly face the years of abuse she was put through. Plus the realization that life can actually be better is a scary thing to confront when one has learned helplessness.

After thinking about it for a time I think I now know why Sakura is disliked by many.
One of the main traits of the character (not her personality) is her need to be supported/protected. She is supposed to give Shirou a purpose. Shirou desperately wants something to protect/save. This is for selfish reasons, he says he wants to feel the way that Kerry felt the day he saved him.
In Saber‘s route he tries to project this desire on Saber but just comes off as sexist and dumb, trying to protect a superpowered murderghost.
In Rin‘s route he can‘t find someone to protect since Rin has a very strong personality and is far more competent than him, so he decides to keep trying to „save people“
In Sakura‘s route however he finally finds someone who truly needs him. This enables him to step above his vague ideals and he finds happiness.
Now most readers don‘t feel the desire to protect/help someone. Instead they want to „be saved“, escape from their lives that they dislike (escapism). That*s why they prefer Rin/Saber/Anyone who can take charge and save their lives. They don‘t want to work and help someone, they want to be helped, that‘s why they dislike Sakura.

Tl;dr: Sakurahaters are selfish sad fucks. I‘m a Rinfag mostly but like all the girls.

based rinchad wiith the truthpill

They don‘t want to work and help someone, they want to be helped
Yup. Don’t forget to keep in mind who would play the VN. A bunch NEETs who have no direction. Of course they don’t want to work to help someone, they can’t even help themselves.

Self defense: restrain until neutralized
Punishment: incarceration or, if you want to argue eye for an eye, rape. But murder? How is that justified?
People who are raped can recover. People who are killed cannot. It’s not hard to understand.
I don’t hate women. My view is that rape is not the life ending event that society claims it is. It is, again, a form of assault. Somehow getting assaulted in the pussy is worse than getting punched in the jaw and risking brain damage.

And there are people that are raped that don’t recover. A person can became a husky of who they were due to getting raped. Thus a killing of who they were or even worse deciding to go with suicide.

-ruined her own route
-plain design (at least originally, she has been made to look a lot better since the VN was released)
-annoying meek and passive aggressive personality
-annoying voice
-Pitiable, but not compelling

TM tried to recreate their "mentally twisted abuse victim" trope that they had used very effectively in their previous stories (Fujinon and Kohaku) and it fell flat.

All the revisions and backtracking made by Nasu in relation to her was really annoying over the years as well. I didnt hate her by any means but she was the weakest part of a VN that had a pretty excellent and memorable cast.

She also has the most insufferable fanbase known to Yea Forums attributed to her as well which doesnt help. I'd honestly take the Bleach/Nurutu fanbase at the height of the Big Three wars over the Sakura fanbase here.

Atalanta not related, but more adorable than Sakura.

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So you really think that someone putting a dick or another object up your ass without your consent wouldn’t change you? You would be able to wave that off?

>Self defense: restrain until neutralized
How exactly do you expect a girl half Shinjis size to do this? I guess in your world Sakura should ideally just commit suicide from the trauma the rape caused her and then come back as a ghost to kill Shinji, because only then is defending herself justified, right?

>worst fanbase
>not the hunter x hunter fags that shit up different threads
>not the shounenfags in general
>not the rei vs asuka autism that makes its way into other threads
uh huh

>Sakura hater is a FGOshitter and wants the Nurutu fanbase
Gee, what a surprise.

>reddit spacing
>f/go shit
Heh.

They fell for the “rape ruins your life” meme. It’s only considered as terrible as it is because historically men didn’t want other men to impregnate their women.
I’d be significantly more fucked up, physically and mentally, if I got shot.
You know, the same way she kills him. She has magic and he doesn’t.

Im not invested in HxH or any shows that their fags try to square up against so Im not familiar with their shit.

I cant keep track of all the cancerous fanbases on Yea Forums. All I know is that in my 13 years of being here, the Sakura fanbase has been the worst since around the time F/Z got animated.

>FGO shitter
What gave you that idea? And your reading comprehension needs fixing since its pretty clear in what I posted that I detest nurutu

Then we agree to disagree.

>You know, the same way she kills him. She has magic
You mean the magic she can barely even use without the shadow taking over her?

>Just use magic you can't control that will probably kill them immediately to fight off rapists!
lol, but actually, what's your idea?

>What gave you that idea
Atalanta. Who only exists in F/GO.

i would like her too if she's not a fucking bitch regardless of the worms

Apocrypha is a thing too, no matter how much you may want to forget it.

Not him but she was also in a absolutely fucking trash fagservice anime and go about 2 whole minutes of screentime

>Atalanta
>only existing in FGO

Secondary trying to call others "secondaries" is always hilarious

She has existed for years. She is part of Fate/Apocrypha, you stupid secondary

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No one wants to remember that garbage.

>She is part of Fate/Apocrypha
Which no one cares for and you know it.

Apocrypha and GO are the exact same kind of franchise milking shit for tertiaries.

>being proud of having 28 images of the worst girl in a trash anime made to sell and advertise the gacha and turn westerners gay

Say what you want about it, you retarded

>Atalanta only exists in FGO

line is still what you are being called out on and laughed at, you retarded secondaries.

I never bothered with anything beside the original VN, F/HA, and Emiya Gohan. I thought she was originally a F/GO character.

You do realize that watching an anime based on a novel makes you the secondary right? You're not actually this dumb, right? Actually, since it's a novel based on a visual novel, it makes you a tertiary.

Then she can just take it instead of resorting to murder. Shinji’s done it to her before and she’s still alive, isn’t she? Hell, she lives a normal life otherwise. Justify murder however you want, but you’re actual cucks if you think she’s not the villain for doing it.

People caring for her or not is neither here nor there. She has been around since 2011 when her design was released in the Extra materials as part of a Fate inspired MMO that was shelved.

Your hateboner for FGO leaves you looking fucking stupid.

>Extra
Yet more tertiary shit.

>i-im not the secondary, y-you are! S-stop laughing at me!

Protip: I read the novels first. I've never watched the anime outside of the first episodes where I decided the animation quality was shit. And since I knew from the novels that the story would become shit by the end I happily dropped the show.

Nice try with your assumptions though, secondary.

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Holy shit, why are people so heartless in this thread? Do Rinfags all come from /r9k/ or what?

I mean, Sakura's suffered her entire life at the hands of Zouken and Shinji and they want to keep her suffering until she's sacrificed as the holy grail. All she did was destroy people who made her life a living hell and eventually wanted her dead.

And in spite of everything she's been through she's still the sweetest, kindest character in the story. All she wants is a bit of happiness and love.

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>Extra
>tertiary
Im referring to the Extra Material Volumes. Everything you post makes you look more and more retarded.

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I agree. She even felt pity for Shinji of all people.

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>she's still the sweetest, kindest character
It’s an act. Dark Sakura brings out her true feelings.

>everyone who hates Sakura must like Rin!!!
This is probably the most retarded complaint that the Sakurafags have.

>Hell, she lives a normal life otherwise.
Sure, a fucked up “normal” life. user, it’s fine to dislike a character, but you’re acting like an idiot right now.

>And in spite of everything she's been through she's still the sweetest, kindest character in the story.
No.

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Rinfags are usually the ones behind anti-Sakura shitposting, though.

Yes. She’s a bit mad here

>As part of a Fate inspired MMO
Real primary there.

Saberfags are chill folks who more often than not are moralfags so why would they hate Sakura? If anything they'd defend her.

>all evils of the world pouring into her

>Dark Sakura is not Sakura

Thats really not the case and never has been. The Sakura fanbase has long loved playing the victim though and they needed a boogeyman.

Sakura is a deeply divisive character. Disliking her isnt a result of liking another character. If anything people who like Rin would also like Sakura due to how the story plays out in the VN.

>480x360
Every time. It's even more funny because Kotomine gets directly refuted in

Will this kind of thread end when HF part 3 released?

Saberfags are cute

Cause it’s usual Rinfags behind it. Sure you have Illyafags that are still butthurt that she didn’t get her own route, but there’s not a lot of them while Saberfags tend to keep to themselves. Rinfags and Sakurafags have a bad history between them plus a lot of Rinfags are secondaries who only familiar with the latest UBW adaptation so Shirou being paired off with other girl doesn’t feel right to them.

>Dark sakura is Sakrua with all the evils of the world until her personality completely vanishes

Oh man. This screenshot with this filename has long been the nail in the side of the die hard Sakura defenders

It's funny because Sakura haters have a long history of resorting to making up bogeymen whenever Sakura fans destroy them.

Except her personality doesnt vanish. Both Sakura and Kotomine confirm it in that screenshot.

I do enjoy watching you go round in circles trying to excuse her behavior though

>Except her personality doesnt vanish.
Have you actually read HF? With the bad ends?
Because Am keeps eroding her personality the fuirther the route goes on until you get some kind of possessed automaton in Femme fatale.

I think you mean the laughingstock, seeing as the retard posting it used to think it was talking about the shadow.

Dark Sakura is insane Sakura. She’s one of the best things in the VN. Sakura is a sweet girl, but i really like her dark side.

>Sakura haters have a long history of resorting to making up bogeymen

You are sounding more stupid with every post. What "boogeman" would those who hate Sakura need to have? They hate Sakura. Its as simple as that.

Its the Sakurafans who feel the desperate need to label the people who hate her as "Rinfags" which is simply down to their own distaste at Rin for perceived slights on Sakura during the game despite Rin being one of only two people willing to risk their lives and die to save her, despite it going completely against all logic and her way of life.

Sakurafans hating Rin has always been fucking stupid, as has trying to pigeonhole everyone who hates Sakura as "Rinfans". Its a desperate attempt to sooth their aching bottoms.

Thats still her though. Thats the personality she has chosen to adopt to justify her actions.

>Thats still her though
>a mindless husk is her
Did you actually miss the Ilya infodums about her connection to avenger too? The poart where she explains no person would be able to retain their personality for a day part?

I think whoever has been posting that for years has always known it was about Sakura, mate. The clue is in the "Sakura" in "Sakuratold". Its never been "Shadowtold"

Are you new or something? Sakura vs. Rin has been a thing for years while Saberfags stay in their lane.

>What "boogeman" would those who hate Sakura need to have?
I don't know, but you see them making bizarre samefag accusations and crying about random forum users who they got butthurt at for successfully destroying their anti-Sakura bullshit years ago to this very day.

Too bad, the actual threads where it was used say otherwise. You'd know if you weren't a newfag.

Its never been a thing in reality. Again, "Hurrr only Rinfags hate Sakura" is a made up strawman made by the Sakurafanbase as a way of giving those who hate their waifu some kind of tangible identity.

Realistically the fanbase could easily be split into "Those who dislike Sakura" and "Those that like Sakura" as she is a very polarising and divisive figure.

Go on then. Please link those threads, Mr "Oldfag"

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You’re delusional. It very much is a thing. Countless threads are proof of this. With both sides attacking each other.

Where do you see that? Post me the citation. Sounds like some conveniently made up bullshit to me.

True. I miss the Rinbros and Sakurabros. Sometimes we used to get a friendly thread with them.

Are you new or something? The threads back in January that were centered on the nip release of the second HF film is all you need to look at to see the Rin vs Sakura war. Rinfags were seething once we found out a sex scene happened.

How come the word “wormslut” is thrown around when somebody mocks Rin if that isn’t the case?

What makes Saberfags so chill?

Wasn't the "personality eroding" thing literally the reason why she didn't finish Kirei off?

Takeuchi loves her and she's the face of the game, no room for shitflinging.

It isnt a thing. When the Sakurafags are the first ones to accuse anyone who dislikes Sakura as being a "Rinfag", it could never actually be a thing.

Sure there are definately people who have laughed at Sakura's low popularity over the years and lauded Rin's popularity but again there is no indication of those people being "Rinfags". Its rather more likely they just hate Sakura and use whatever they can to laugh at her and their fanbase some more.

tl;dr its all tribalistic nonsense. If you are a retarded Sakurafan or Sakurahater and you subscribe to this shitflinging then you are simply the equivalent of football hooligans who use their supposed "allegiances" as a chance to have a fight.

The actual dedicated Sakurafans and Rinfans are decidedly much more chill with eachother.

They know she’s number one

Saber is the most beloved and popular heroine of not only the VN, but TM in general while Rinfags and Sakurafags fight for second place. Rinfags were able to claim the title for years since HF took a while to gain popularity, but times changed and then the adaptation got announced and the popularity of Sakura just kept rising. Now the Sakura is getting the same spotlight, the wars would of curse continue.

The term "Wormslut" has been a thing since 2005 you dumb secondary. It was created when a doujin called her an "Erotical Black Hole" which was also a term used here to describe her in just for a while.

AOKO IS THE CUTEST!

Ok. Keep living in that fantasy land where Rin and Sakura faggots haven’t shit up thread after thread with their stupid war for second place.

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Look at how some random guy they saw defending Sakura years ago lives rent-free in their heads to this very day.

Okay.
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Why would it? As a VN reader I liked the ending. Sakura didn't do anything wrong as she was under Angra Mainyu's influence, and the ending is made even sweeter by Shirou saving her from it.

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it’s so funny how they went all out with shirou x sakura yet half-assed shirou x rin in the ubw adaptation.

Is this the edgy guy who kept going on about how people's true selves are the ones they show under duress?

The adaptation did a cool job, i guess. I’m not a big fan of Shirou x Rin, but it was fine. The epilogue is a source of cute fanarts

Those posts are all talking about Sakura though

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These shipping picture make me so happy. It's just heartwarming to see Sakura find the love and happiness that she was always denied. This pic especially gives us a sense of how peaceful she must finally feel

Romance or saving the damsel in distress wasnt the main focus of UBW. It was a story focusing on Shirou's (literal) battle with himself with some romance on the side.

Fate and HF were the ones motivated by the MCs romantic feelings towards the heroine. And even with Fate being badly affected by poor structure and infodumping, the romantic pairing in it has long been the dominant one in the series.

>even Zouken killed fewer people
Even without looking at the posts they're responses to, it's obviously attributing the shadow's actions to Sakura there.

yea i know but miura could have added in some new content. wouldn’t have killed him. hell even a hug would have been nice to see.

Saber x Shirou and Sakura x Shirou are the best pairings, after all.

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It’s nice seeing these tortured girls smile

Saber and Sakura are also great friends if FHA is to be trusted.

Based
How can Rhinofags even compete?

Cute.

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They can’t. If Fate is next for Ufotable then they have a chance of being the only waifufags without a sex scene in the anime.

They literally can’t. Shirou is the only one for both Sakura and Saber. Whereas Takeuichi himself stated that Rin would work just as fine with Emiya or even Lancer.

I wonder how Shirou will feel when he finds out wormless Sakura has no sex drive though

They fuck almost every single day in HF True

Not really. They are on good terms but Sakura is passively aggressively jealous of all the other girls

>has no sex drive
Did you even read the VN? Sakura basically declares that her and Shirou have sex way too much in the epilogue.

Saber x Shirou is the best. They have a soulmate chemistry that crosses both time and space. Nothing can beat that

The cake scene is really cute.

sakura was already dewormed the first time they had sex though user. the only one left was the one in her heart if i am remembering correctly.

>Nothing can beat that
except for Swords x Shirou, the only pairing that matters.

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>sakura was already dewormed the first time they had sex though
This is incorrect. She was full of worms for the first couple of scenes

So when you get called out, you retract to "boring" with no reasonin. I ain't the type of Sakura fan to go on about Rinfags this or Rinfags that or try to degrade another character to prop Sakura up, but I have never seen any good reasoning shown for why she is "boring". Out of the three heroines, she seems like the type with a good mix of interest in the norm and supernatural, with really good career goals, while also looking to find her own mentor in magecraft. She has a vested interest in cooking outside of Shirou, to improve her craft, and also takes taking over the archery club serious. In addition, she showed in Hollow how well she can seduce Shirou in one fell swoop when not worrying about her home life and thinking she didn't deserve to be happy. So all in all, a good character.

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Incels are fucked up

Sakurafags are the ones coming from /r9k/ because they think extremely edgy shit past is justification to like a character.
It justifies her being shit, which doesn't make up for it

Retard.

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I don’t know. Shirou abandoning his ideals because he treasured and loved Sakura more hit hard. Plus his character becoming more human was a treat. Two people with sad childhoods finding a haven of peace and love and tenderness with and within each other is hard to beat for me.

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There is no way this occurred before the first HF H scene

The deworming happens before the rain scene.

>acting like you’ve played the vn in general
user enough

The first screenshot is from day 9, secondary. They get removed in the very same scene it's revealed that Sakura has them.

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He didnt abandon them. He just focused them on Sakura due to the situation.

And I firmly believe that Fate Shirou was vastly superior to any other. He fully embraced his crazy ideals because of Saber; he lived his life full of success and without regret and as a reward for being awesome he managed to find his way to Avalon to be with his waifu in their own personal heaven.

He achieved everything he ever wanted and he owed it all to his love for Saber. That is the sweetest thing for me. Last Episode remains the only thing in fiction that has reduced me to tears of happiness.

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>fantasizes about killing Rin
wtf I love Sakura now.

>still had a worm in her heart
Not dewormed them. Checkmate, Sakuraists.

>he lived his life full of success
He became a husk of a human being, canonically, Avalon is what saves him.

No she only gets dewormed in the end

That’s nice. I still prefer the romance in HF. Plus as I said, Shirou becoming more human was a treat.

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0/10 mate.

Fate Shirou isnt Archer. Its fully implied that he went around the world and saved everyone he was able to and was fully satisfied in doing so. He had Rin's assistance but he was still happy doing what he did.

And it was this focus and contentedness in holding fast to his promise that linked him to Saber who waited forever in Avalon

The lust worms were gone. What was left was the main crest worm that's Zouken's true body.

I like Sakura but I despise her VA in the original game.

>becomming more human
Except for the part where he lives his life in a poor fitting puppet body, you mean?

See

Boring
Selfish
Used goods
Seduces the gingerautist into being ok with people randomly being killed throughout town; even UBW caster didn't have a civilian death count

Idiot. Her sex drive was the result of the zouken worm sapping her mana.
Kirei states he was unable to remove it entirely. That worm is what’s draining her mana leading her to require sex.

>Fate shirou isnt Archer
Why is there fanart of Emiya being the one to meet Saber then?

That’s wrong though. Don’t be a speedreader user

Did you read the epilogue? He’s a human as the rest. He can do everything we can.

>Why is there fanart of-
>fanart
Because fanart.

>fanart
Great argument.

>fanart
I think you answered this question yourself.

And besides, Archer is still what an adult Shirou would vaguely look like. He may not have burned his skin out and hair grey due to magic circuit abuse but the overall face and body will look similar

This. I always loved the star crossed lovers aspect of it.

No he cant. There are things which he is limited in which is why Rin and Sakura are desperately trying to find Touko so that she can make him a proper body tailored to his soul rather one of her generic cast-offs they resorted to using.

>literally the vn itself
>t-thats wrong

Same.

The idea that these two people are broken in a very similar and unique way and are the perfect person to help fix the other yet are separated by centuries somehow meet and fall in love really toggles the classic romanticist within me

Its as it it was "Fate" that they met.

This hit me hard.

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>Selfish
Now try actually reading the VN.

I wanna fuck Rider so bad

She's a vorefag.

>implying saber’s life wasn’t utter shit either

Great scene. Love how Sudou goes all out by having him cry. It’s simply alluded to in the VN.

Why do sakurafags resort to lying to achieve their aims?

Penisworm slut
Also Angry Manjew

Nope, Shinji chose quite implicitly to do anything to Sakura he did, while admitting she was a good person and he just wanted to shame her.

She wanted shirou all to herself and was glad saber was gone

Do tell us where the first screencap comes from if you've read the VN.

She was glad Saber was gone because Saber was literally a stranger dragging Shirou into a war.

Better to rest in peace in the warm body of a friend than in the cold ground

Her mana problems are a direct result of kirei’s failure to remove the worm. She only had one worm, which was not completely removed. This is the same worm that fucked her up when Shinji used the poison that necessitated the surgery. This is the same worm that continues to drain mana and threatens to kill her or force her to go berserk. This is in the vn.

The lust worms were the rape worms in the pit. Actually read the vn yourself you dumb speedreader.

She knew saber was a servant. She had one herself at that point.

Yes, hence a stranger dragging Shirou into a war. Unlike Rin, Shirou and Sakura never asked to participate in the grail war.

She’s the cutest fate girl desu. Everything about her just makes you want to save and protect her. Her voice is the cutest by far too.

You're a complete speedreader if you think there was only ever one worm inside Sakura. Kirei succeeds at removing all the other worms, but can't touch the one inside her heart.

It's mainly because Shirou's a good kid. He's a really good kid with a bright future. In Fate, he becomes a hero. In UBW, he becomes a hero with perspective, with a hot girlfriend.

In Heaven's Feel, with Sakura, he goes through shit. Heavy, heavy shit. All to play Captain Save-A-Hoe. You want to take him by the shoulders and go:

> "Bro, she ain't worth it man."
> "Seriously, look into my eyes."
> "Fuck Rin instead. It ends better for you."

>completely missing the point
You’re wrong, first of all.
And that worm is the one draining her mana causing her to be lustful. Jesus.

>u-ur wrong
Try reading the VN.

>He's a really good kid with a bright future.

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See, it didn't work out so well for Shirou, but for the millions of people he saved? That went pretty well.

I mean, I bet a fuckload of people would've died when that nuclear reactor exploded. And those shithead terrorists would've killed and raped a lot of people. Having Shirou go around the world on his one-man crusade makes life a lot better for everyone around him, and - on some level - he wants to do it.

Don't keep a man from his dream of martyrdom.

Thats just one version of Shirou

Fate Shirou for example achieves everything he sets out to do; avoids all the pitfalls despite being ignorant of them and is rewarded with his waifu in their own heaven

He is definitely a good kid

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Hair down Artoria will never not cause my heartboner to grow to excessive levels.

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>Takeuchi's fanfic

And yet, Shirou only attains true human happiness in HF.

>yea i know but miura could have added in some new content. wouldn’t have killed him. hell even a hug would have been nice to see.

Why do UBW fans hate Miura?

>Blame people around her for not helping her when she won't even reach out for them.
>Makes shirou abandon his ideals after the VN spent 40+ hours hammering it into your head how important they are to him
THIS. Fuck, I almost dropped her route because of this

>>she is a murderer
Who is not in that rubbish universe?
>>she is a whore
Fate is based on a porn game, everyone is a whore.
>>she is a psychopath
No.
>who fantasizes about crippling Shirou and killing him and Rin
Everyone has intrusive thoughts, it's literally part of being a healthy human being. Just because hers are highlighted for drama does not make them any different to yours or some randoms down the road.
>and celebrates when Saber dies
Considering she's pretty much part of a dumb murder ritual game and her personal life is a bloody mess. It should come as no surprise that Sakura has become rather apathetic to the world around her. I'm not surprised she's prone to bursts of nervous/inappropriate laughter or absurd rationalisation; I've done the same during phases of extreme mania or paranoia.
>thinks her actions are justified
It does not matter what she thinks or how she justifies those actions.
That's not the real issue.
The Grail conflict is the source of all this stupidity and everyone seems quite comfortable letting the madness go on. if anybody really cared, they would have dropped the secrecy bull and informed the world that some dumb kid got roped into a violet ritual for an artefact that could end the world.
>she is a boring waifu bait
All fate girls are boring waifu bait

>entire story is the author going “how can I make the most fucked up backstory
This is Fate, it started out as a dumb porn game. The writing is a joke, I've seen high school work far more impressive than this erotica tire trash. Cheap emotional harping is as good as it gets for this stuff, you should be thanking the authors of porn VN's for even bothering with trying to squeeze a tear out of you.

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After a while, I started thinking:
> "You know, things would be a lot better if Sakura just fucking died."

>literal boss and owner of the company
>fanfic
Takeuchi is literally the reason TM exists and continues to do so. Stay salty though

He attained it in Fate as well

He wouldnt have been able to get to Avalon without attaining that.

And its suggested that he will do very well in UBWs ends as well.

Wasn't most of Fate and Tsukihime made of Takeuchi's ideas? He was also the ero director.

Kara no Kyoukai and Mahoyo are 100% Nasu, though.

Even though Shirou stay true to his ideals, this doesn't mean he won't face a living hell (just like Archer). The reason why he'll never become Archer is due Saber, Rin or Sakura. In Fate route he achieved his goal and reunited with Saber in Avalon, in UBW he'll continue to follow his ideals even though he knows it won't be easy, in HF he became Sakura's hero and achieved the happiness he wanted (in True End). So in a sense, Shirou is a hero in both of the routes, even in HF True his future is bright with lots of possibilities.

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Fate was Nasu's idea in high school however he wasnt able to really write a decent scenario and hit a creativity wall in what is now known as "Fate/Prototype".

Takeuchi came along and suggested a plethora of changes to the storyline whilst maintaining the setting. Thus, F/SN was born.

He literally leaves Rin behind and goes to repeat Archer's mistakes in UBW.

>even in HF True his future is bright with lots of possibilities.
Except that he is in a poor fitting puppet body that restricts him and means he cant be apart from Sakura for any length of time.

Ikr? Rin would fuckin murder Shinji is she knew he was raping her sister. Surely she won't be able to tell her sister easily she's being sexually abused, but she was the one who gave the air "oh everything is super nice" around her when her life was a total shit.

It -literally- doesnt say that anywhere. If anything his future is positive as he has Rin supporting him and the knowledge of Archer's mistakes.

And besides, Fate Shirou did the same but without the knowledge of Archer and he was the most successful Shirou that we know about. Archer is just one Shirou from one timeline as a result of specific circumstances of that timeline. His ends are never guaranteed to be anything like Archers

>Thus, F/SN was born.

What about Fate/Other Night?

>>rape is on the same level as murder
Yes, yes it is.
However, I don't fall for that death penalty retardation (too many mistakes and prone to abuse) or solitary confinement and life imprisonment meme.
Folks need to be rehabilitated and contribute to society, especially if they're repentant.
If only brainwashing was a thing, pity.

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The VN also spent 40+ hours hammering it in that his ideals are retarded and objectively terrible.
Shinji's irrelevant. Sakura knows exactly what will happen if she reaches out to anyone due to what happened to Kariya. Also, the fact Rin chose killing Sakura over killing Zouken is yet another reason Sakura was right not to reach out to her.

why did sakura forgive rin for all the shit she did to her so easily?

>The VN also spent 40+ hours hammering it in that his ideals are retarded and objectively terrible.
And it spent a further 40+ hours saying why this is entirely fine within the setting and characters.

Rin didnt do anything to Sakura and nearly died trying to save her. Read the VN secondary.

>state what kind of punishment you mean.
Chemical castration is a good start.

No, it says he is as human as the rest of us, but the magical energy isn't flowing properly, which harms a magus. That is why Sakura discussed it with him, but he says himself he is fine.

He says he is fine with it but that doesnt stop Rin and Sakura spending large amounts of money and time trying to find Touko.

Shirou is simply being his "dont worry about me" self. Its a significant issue that both the Tohsaka sisters are trying to rectify as their main objective

If he plans to live as a normal human being, he's fine. They could still find a better body in the future, since this end is open to possibilities. If anything, i'm curious how Ufotable will handle that.

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And then it's decisively confirmed in the end that him dropping his ideals is the best choice for Shirou.

>"Fate/Prototype".
Best thing to come out of this mess

That's Shinji you're thinking of. She spends most of HF after the reveal being a bitch to Sakura for no reason and trying to murder her.

Not quite. With his puppet body fucking up like it is, it really just relegates him to being something similar to Sakura's familiar. If he is happy with that then fine but it really seems to restrict what he can and cant do.

His getting a proper body from Touko that has been engineered specifically to house his soul would then mean he is back to being essentially fully human. Until that time, he is in somewhat of a less desirable alternative

Until its decisively not confirmed and never is. It was the case in HF but not the case in the other routes which are just as valid.

People would respect you and your fanbase a lot more if you didnt try and foolishly claim that HF is "definitive" in any respect. His focusing his ideals onto Sakura in HF worked out for him in HF but there is nothing saying it would work anywhere else.

Fate route for example shows him achieving everything he wanted to achieve within the scope of his ideals and then getting rewarded at the end.

Said no one ever. Stupid contrarian.

Except none of that happens
>thats Shinji
Oh, you were just shitposting. Very well, carry on.

I don't think it's restrict him that much, since he seems fine with his daily life. Well, since Rin and Sakura have good connections, maybe they could find Touko again and get a proper body for Shirou. Shirou being alive is good enough, considering the circumstances in the route.

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Again, he seems "fine" as its Shirou but he isnt "fixed" by any means. To have a proper life going forwards he would need to get that body, and Touko is probably the hardest person to find if she doesnt want to be found.

Rin and Sakura wouldnt be going to such lengths and expense trying to find Touko if the whole puppet body situation wasnt a big deal

>what is now known as "Fate/Prototype".
Close, but no cigar.

Nasu's old novel is called "old Fate". Fate/Prototype is an adaptation of it that is currently managed by gigahack Sakurai and also only exists in materials books. Nasu has talked about how her interpretation of it differs from his own.

>and then getting rewarded at the end.

Wasn't that added in Realta Nua?

She says this sure but then does absolutely nothing to further it and does her all to save her at the end nearly at the cost of her own life

The proof is in the pudding, mate. You can seethe about Rin all you like but she did everything she could to save her sister at the end of the game, going entirely against how she should have acted as a mage and as the overseer of Fuyuki

Yes, but whats the problem?

RN is as canon as any other version of the game.

>goes out of her way to try to murder her
>changes her mind at the very last second and gets knocked the fuck out, then Shirou comes in and does the job properly
She sure tried hard.

>contrarian
I have a minority view, what of it?

She doesnt go out of her way to murder anyone, bub.

Your asshurt towards this character is amusing but it really is affecting both your memory and judgement.

>The VN also spent 40+ hours hammering it in that his ideals are retarded and objectively terrible.
Fuck it. It wasn't about the ideals if they were pointless or not, it was about Shiro's passion about them. I admired how stubborn and die-hard he was about them and then, in next route, he just throw it away.

>Until its decisively not confirmed and never is.
Pretty sure Sakurafags are respected by everyone but seething Rinfags like you, by the way. We actually read the VN, after all.

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>She doesnt go out of her way to murder anyone, bub.
>inb4 "d-doesnt count! muh last second whim!"

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>I admired how stubborn and die-hard he was about them
Meanwhile, adult readers groaned at the shitty shonen writing and appreciated him finally becoming bearable in HF.

>Sakurafags are respected by everyone
Is this bizarro Yea Forums?
>Rinfags
There's that boogeyman again

And you post this yet Last Episode is the "final ending" of the VN, so the most "canon" in the standards of your retarded views. You've never been able to have your cake and eat it with this screenshot.

>Rin telling Sakura off for her faux "please just kill me but not really" routine
Hilarious but again it doesnt point towards her intent.

That scene where she battled to get to Sakura and save her blows any and all of your arguments out of the water and you will never not be seething because of it. And besides, Sakura and Rin are best friends in the HF true ending. Surely this shows you what their relationship actually was behind all of the mage/angry manjew posturing.

I admired Shirou's determination to save and protect Sakura. After reading Fate and UBW, being able to see him choosing something different was refreshing. Shirou's ideals in the other routes and his choice in HF aren't wrong.

ironic shitposting which was percieved by retarded chuds as sincerity

You say he "chose something different" yet all he did was focus his heroboner on Sakura. His ideals are still what guide him, he has just focused them on one person due to the scenario they were in

Expression of compassion is declaring that you promise to kill a mentally unbalanced person.
No, not them; just the twisted person they are larping as. It involves literal violence and possible cold-blooded murder of the actual person...
I must be confusing myself.

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>Is this bizarro Yea Forums?
No, this is Yea Forums, not /vg/, /r9k/ or /pol/. Sakurafags have ruled this place for quite a few years now, if you're too new to know.
>Last Episode is the "final ending" of the VN
Nice try, but it isn't just about being the last one. In fact, that line being left intact even in Realta Nua where LE was added proves that they're very much calling HF the true end as in the definitive one rather than the final one.

>hurrr you should just kill me!! im so sad wallowing in my own sadness"
>"Ok then, we'll kill you"
>"Wait, what?"

Sakura's main problem was pushing people who were trying to help her away with bullshit platitudes like this. Her reasoning and logic are full of contradictions. Rin calling her out on it here was actually very important for the route as it confirmed to Shirou that beyond her posturing that Sakura still wanted saving.

>That scene where she battled to get to Sakura and save her
You mean kill her? She explicitly says that's what she'll do several times before and during the fight. Not killing her was a last-second whim, and all she accomplished was shocking Sakura out of the fury she herself caused by being a bitch to her.

His ideals changed. The fact he focused them on one person is enough to tell they changed in a certain way. Before he wanted to save everyone, then he choose to protect Sakura and try his best to not let any victims, but after the knife scene he just wanted to save Sakura even though he knew she could've became a monster. His ideals are different, but i agree that they're what guide him.

>Not in this thread, no. But they usually say that Sakura is a dindunuffin who hadn't killed anyone in the story ever and it was all someone else's fault.
I don't think it's a majority, especially when recently people, including Salurafags defend that dark Sakura is just Sakura influenced by the shadow. There's just people who think they're different, but that serves no purpose when you argue with someone who doesn't think so.

>you should just kill me!!
That's not what she's saying. She's saying she'll handle things herself even if it kills her, so they should get away to be on the safe side. Rin wasn't stopping Sakura from doing anything, just spitting on her final wish out of spite.

>Sakurafags have ruled this place for quite a few years now,

Jesus fucking Christ you sound like a 12 year old posting on reddit. This hilarious, tryhard arrogant, internet tough guy speech and posturing does absolutely nothing for you. It just makes you look even more laughable.

The fact that you are so concerned with "hurr popularity" implies that you know you have none.

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Sakura desired to be saved, mate though she could never bring herself to directly say it. This scene with Rin showed Sakura's bullshit for what it was

Sakura wanted to die, but at the same time she wanted to live as well. It's a contradiction, but this is what make Sakura's character in this route. She has mixed desires all the time. At least she's "fixed" in the True End.

She thought it was too late and was selflessly sacrificing herself. Rin didn't have an actual plan to save her, either, as Shirou never got to tell her about Rule Breaker, so her saying she'd kill her was genuine. All Rin did was piss off Sakura and pour oil on the fire, causing a needless fight.

Or, you know, we ran anti-Sakura shitposters like you off Yea Forums. Go huddle in your general if the truth upsets you.

She is very sweet.

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She looks happy!

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>I didn't like it, so it's childish shonen
guess "adult readers" wasn't about you, pal

>The character's basic concept didn't change much from the first draft, red hair, a prominent scowl, stubborn, and a steady gaze. We were aiming for an orthodox shonen manga hero
>Shirou is a self-sacrificing idealist who was essentially guided through life by the things he believed in, but Sakura was an exception for him. Only when dealing with Sakura was the idealistic and profound Shirou Emiya reduced to a mere human being with more mundane thoughts and emotions.

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I feel like everyone who thinks this just loves Shirou a lot for his ideals passion. They hate that he decides to throw it away but they still love Shirou, so they look for someone to blame and that's Sakura, even though she literally cries about him changing his ideal.

>he wants to fuck a worm infested whore

bruh no

>Sakura desired to be saved, mate though she could never bring herself to directly say it.
This is just what most folks with depression suffer through. If they thought basically daring her to suicide or promising to kill her was the best course of action, then they are horrible friends. I have had similar interactions with such 'helpful friends'.
>I want someone to help me!
>No, I don't!

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I really wanted a spin off about this timeline

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...

once again >wanting to stick your dick in a worm infested whore

might as well fuck a bitch with every std known to man

>literally dewormed and devoted

It's the best.

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Holy fucking shit. I want to bang Sakura so goddamn bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I read Fate/Stay Night I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of her online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with Sakura. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of Sakura's tight kouhai pussy. God I wish I was Shirou because I fucking know for a fact that Sakura drains his balls daily. I want her to suck all of my humanity out and ride me to death. Anyways, do you guys relate to this?

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They're on good terms in HF, I'd take that as more official than FHA.

>This is Fate, it started out as a dumb porn game
Not that guy but that's how many VNs start. The H stuff to get the game through the door.

>My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with Sakura
I don't relate to most of it but I wish this happened to me.

I wish Prillya was a SoL spinoff of the entire cast instead of Illya and her gay ass friends 90% of the time

Out of Saber, Rin and Sakura, I'd much rather have Sakura. Not even Saber is that loyal. And all Sakura wants in return is some attention.

Used goods

She's boring. I like the CCC Sakura clones more. BB is much better.

I don't like how she creates an unbalanced story when it comes to asking for sympathy by including rape in her narrative, among everything else Nasu had her go through. Neither Saber nor Rin have as complex of a backstory that asks for sympathy like she does, and they come across as inferior while making Sakura seem much better than she is solely because she requires so much sympathy, and its reflected further in the VN as she's the only one who Shirou has to give up his ideals for in order to love.

This would be much different mind you if Illya's route, which would have followed a very similar narrative as her story hits many of the same beats as Sakura, to the point Shirou also abandons his hero complex to protect her instead of Sakura, was part of Fate/Stay Night as it was intended, as 2 stories of this kind would balance the dynamic out, rather than just leaving Sakura's story as the only main story that asks for the most sympathy.

This will always be my biggest problem with Fate/Stay Night, and why, desu, I may never come around to fully liking and appreciating Sakura as a character, even if I have tried.

>by including rape in her narrative
Sounds like you should read the Realta Nua version, then.

some people don't have what it takes to embrace a tittymonstered, dedicated housewaifu/murderfu

Spending time with Sakura sounds like the comfiest thing in the world.

Tbqh I haven't read the RN version, just the PC version with the RN patch, and should get to reading that some time, but does it really change all that much? The worms are still there, Shinji's still abusive, and it is still implied he's molesting her. None of that is fundamentally changed, and it all paints Sakura as a character who asks for so much sympathy when the other two heroines don't by making her such an obvious victim.

The Shinji abuse in general is incredibly toned down, and the worm stuff isn't sexual since their shape was changed.

The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

I'm not just talking about the sexual abuse though, it's all of the horrible things that Sakura goes through that make her an unbalanced character because she's the only heroine who is going through those sorts of things.

It's telling that you can go through Fate and UBW completely unaware of her situation and feel like the story is fine, but once you know what's going on behind the scenes those stories suddenly feel lesser because you know she's suffering in the background. And since she's the only main heroine who has that kind of narrative, it cheapens everything else.

Like no wonder there's a pervasive argument from her fans here that her ending is the only *True* ending, because her narrative sets up so much sympathy that anything that doesn't touch upon and fix her issues feels lesser, which in a story with three routes that are all supposed to be equal to one-another, is kind of shitty.

Only one kind of hug that can beat this.

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More somewhat lewd pictures of Sakara.

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Awesome.

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To be honest, i always felt that something was up with Sakura even before i started HF.

Sakura is my second favorite girl

You fucking nerds have been going at it for 10 years now. You're all gonna be on your deathbeds screeching about Rinfags and Sakurafags

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Still won't be able to beat NGEchads

Caster legitimately did nothing wrong.

Kirei is blameless and basically did everything he could to avoid becoming what he was destined to be.

Ilya is just crazy and read too many doujins about incest.

Zouken and Kiritsugu are just shit.

Lmao if that’s the only argument you have you’ve already lost

She doesn’t please old men nor is she a tranny
She’s the best option

This

>he would fuck a women who had worms in every orifice of her body

kys bugchaser

when your other choices are 3DPD incarnate and an autistic tranny wouldn’t you choose the worm girl?

Saber is like a lion.
Rin is like a cat.
Sakura is like a dog. (in before bitch joke).

>Sakura is like a dog
She's less clingy when she's in a less shitty situation, but I see what you mean. Her and Shirou would probably be rabbits in HF true.

>not confirmed
It is literally stated in every version that HF is the true end of FSN.

>RN is as canon as any other version of the game
K

>Makes shirou abandon his ideals after the VN spent 40+ hours hammering it into your head how important they are to him
They hammer into you that they are important because he's a literal broken shell of a human kept alive by doing nice deeds. Him throwing them away is the best thing that could have happened to him.

>Lmao
>kys
Rinfags, everyone.

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The very notion that Sakura forces any of that on Shirou is retarded.

Don't you people get tired of arguing about this?

I HATE IT!

i love it

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Sure, but the narrative Nasu chose to give her still sets the odds in her favor (falsely) by forcing sympathy. The fact HF constantly is reminding you of this in order to draw that sympathy is a testament to that problem.

Which, again, I would have no issue with if Sakura weren't the only one who has the narrative favor her so much. This isn't something that can just be 'changed' by Realta Nua, (which most deem inferior anyway because it downplayed the abuse Sakura went through, so why even bother with that argument?) this is a fundamental problem with Sakura's character that affects Fate/Stay Night as whole.

I’d rather take the autistic tranny. Saber is precious.

I want to protect her. Too bad she’s so slutty. Girls shouldn’t want sex that much.

Huh? The narrative of HF is actively biased against her if anything and constantly trying to mislead the leader into not sympathizing with her.

>virgin
>only sex's shirou
kys newfag

>ctrl+f worm
>only 42 results
pathetic, step up your game rinfags.

She's only slutty because of the worms. Remove the worm and she's quite shy, sex wise.

I feel like you're being very unfair with how you're treating this. I don't mind if you never come to like Sakura because this bugs you, but I don't think your reasoning makes sense. What sticks out to me is that you mention that the narrative favours her. While it's true that the other routes feel shittier due to the horrible stuff that happens in HF, the actual narration through HF actually goes against her in many instances which, coupled with the presentation of some scenes and HF being a war of information, have made many people have an even worse impression of her than they'd have otherwise.

Further, this is not at all a problem with Sakura's character, it's literally a meta problem that FSN has. Sakura's backstory is somewhat necessary in order to create someone who isn't a total wet blanket of a character that absolutely needs someone to save them, because Shirou's importance in this story is first and foremost. It's not like the story doubles down on the pathos of Sakura's backstory by making her the only one who makes Shirou drop his ideals for her, those two things are intertwined; her backstory is shitty and that's why she's the heroine that needs to be saved, which makes her the prime candidate to be the heroine Shirou drops his ideals for. There's some extra bloating of her backstory that could easily be cut, though.

Despite what I said at the begining, I don't see why this would affect your view of Sakura as a character, to be honest.

Sakura and Shirou fuck a lot even after she's clean, but there's literally nothing wrong with having a lot of sex with your boyfriend(Husband) while you're spending comfy time at home.

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Never change /a

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>virgin

Girls have no reason to like sex that much.

Adult Sakura is hot.

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Looking forward to Spring song.

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To say it favors her is pretty much a silly notion. She is treated like the elephant in the room all the time, even by Ilya who says she likes her. Sure she is saved in the end, but the narrative proves it never needed to go this far, and it happens primarily because of Rin's stance on being too stubborn to show her true feelings. Sakura openly tries to either want to help or bury the hatchet with Rin multiple times and Rin either ignores it or blushes, but never has an honest dialogue with Sakura until the very end when they are both emotionally exhausted and basically just glaring each other down. Her immaturity is given a pat on the head by the narrative, where Shirou claims she is a good big sister even after he admonishes her which is just wut (yeah, the same type who uses every waking dialogue she has with said sister to not only make her feel bad for living, imply that her entire life is her fault due to silly hanging onto daddy's doctrine, but also shame her for not fighting when she has a figurative remote bomb in her chest) and Sakura's haters not only forget the olive branches but they to say she never tries to fight.

In reality even at Rin's worst moments, her reprisals are weak as hell, while Sakura gets torn down as a person over and over. It's not really garnering sympathy when the narrative implies it's good her sister denigrates her, that Sakura is just dangerous, that the war itself isn't a sham. Not to mention the hypocrisy that whenever Sakura ever offered to fight, she was kicked off to bed making the "just fight" Rin tries to stuff down her throat make me wonder if Rin is okay in the head. I got a million problems with the way people try to say Sakura forced sympathy when that is wholly untrue.

If anything makes me have sympathy for Sakura, it's the expectations she had since birth by her dad to that inevitably fucked her over for a lifetime.

Would somebody call her Ms Emiya or something in the epilogue?

I might autistically scream a bit if there's some rings involved, too. I hope they at least drop the senpai.

It would be nice. They act like a married couple after all.

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I really want to hear Sakura calling him "Shirou" instead of senpai.

Something I forgot before, Sakura's climax in day 16 is atrocious. Pretty much all of Sakura vs Rin is horrible.

Its implied that its mostly Shirou, since she is the one saying they do it too much. That boy is kinda a horndog once unleashed seeing as he bangs for hours takes a nap and wakes up wanting more. Sakura has to let out some power and retune his body, so its beneficial.

I ctuallly hate more sakurafaggots

Shirou is probably a horndog, especially going by many of his monologues throughout the novel, but it's not implied it's mostly Shirou. Sakura seems to be into it every bit as much.

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There is a nuance to that. She wanted to be saved, but couldn't see how, and Rin tore out her heart multiple times, so obviously she can't believe in someone that she expects will just abandon her and does so, if Shirou doesn't hammer at her to stop giving up hope. If you're gonna truly talk about the shaky relationship of the two sisters, you have to acknowledge Rin's problems as much as Sakura's. Since Rin very much did shoot down every attempt she had to make peace.

Some couples have those pet names that last a lifetime. "Senpai" to her means something significant, so that would be hard to break.

only retards don't like sakura tbqh

I know, that why Sakura ends up as Shirou's CANON WIFE

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>She's adorable

Exactly this, and people like you. Anyone who still thinks the Kawaii Desu Senpai schoolgirl trope doesn't turn anything it touches into a gigantic dumpster fire in (((2019))) isn't ever going to understand it just because we try to explain it to you. You are the problem. She's not adorable. Nothing about this trope has ever been, or will ever be adorable. She's garbage and you're garbage for liking it.

Calm down, Sakura is a fully fleshed out character.

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Are you okay?

Based.

First, (You)
And second, how is she not adorable?

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tick tock Rincuck

your generic tsundere is shit. SHIT.

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She's got fat tits

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she's so pretty

not even spoilering the handholding since I want to kill you monster on the spot

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this, she is boring and full of 'tragic' shit just so that mentally challenged people get to like her

t. secondary who never read the VN

I can one up that.

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>TM tried to recreate their "mentally twisted abuse victim" trope that they had used very effectively in their previous stories (Fujinon and Kohaku) and it fell flat.

Why do FGO fans call Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime characters betas or prototypes of Fate characters?

IMAGINE

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Jeez I wonder why

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Wormkeks are getting uppity I see

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Poor Shirou never had a chance against such huge, eager, sexually active boobs.

It's been some time, but I really couldn't stand her voice or the way she goes about faking her personality with how needy and annoying she generally is.

The homsexuality radiating from this crossboarder.

No one cares about LE

>re release pandering
>mattering against the TRUE END of the VN

Heaven's feel isn't the true end of the VN after Realta Nua

>Makes shirou abandon his ideals after the VN spent 40+ hours hammering it into your head how important they are to him
What an idiotic take. Sakura is one person who never insulted Shirou's ideals. She also never asked to be saved despite of how in need of being saved she was. Shirou did it all himself. He sacrificed his precious ideals for the person most precious to him. That is what's cool about Shirou, he makes his own choices and is punished or rewarded (or both) for them.
Seriously, with the logic you could argue Kiritsugu forced the ideals on Shirou in the first place, so Shirou supposedly being made to sacrifice them isn't any worse than being made to uphold them. But neither was the case, he chose to pursue them and chose to abandon them. Whatever was truest to himself.

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You know the true end line still exists in Realta Nua, right?

Sakurafags are just like Sakura, relying on other characters to look like a victim.
Rinfags are just like Rin, avoiding shit just to feel better with themselves.

More like Rinfags are tsunderes

I think a lot of people don't like how Sakura's character works. You're supposed to believe she's a sad bird but everyone and their mother in the VN, humans and servants a like, had a shit life. She always had that darkness in her heart, she was just being a doormat about it.

>relying on other characters to look like a victim
She doesn't need to rely on anyone for that, she is a victim.

None had a life nearly as shitty as Sakura's. How many were continuously raped and tortured their entire childhood and implanted with worms for the sole purpose of being a human sacrifice?

FUCKING. THIS!

Nasu had a kouhai fetish.

files.catbox.moe/s09h7s.webm

More like we want a character who actually has a personality.

I agree

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Too adorable.

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Because they're /vg/ crossboarder tertiaries like you?

>no argument
>REEEEEE TERTIARARIES

>Sakura has Ahoge now
Takeuchi™

She has plenty of personality. In fact, she has one of the most complicated and multifaceted personalities in the entire VN.

She's a shy unconfident girl with immense amounts of self-hatred and bitterness due to her horrible situation, and yet she also has a fierce determination to endure it all, as well as being really kind-hearted and selfless. She's usually introverted and keeps to herself, but develops to become a lot more energetic and playful before the start of the story due to the influence of Taiga. That said, she's still very modest in comparison to the more generic action heroine personalities of Saber and Rin, and treasures daily life over risky goals. Unlike them, Sakura prefers to lie low and stay out of trouble, but for better or worse, Rin is the one person who brings out Sakura's inner competitiveness, as she simultaneously looks up to and loathes her big sister. Sakura has a bad habit of blaming herself for the faults of others and putting their happiness over her own, but simultaneously, if she's offered hope and happiness, she won't allow anyone to get in the way of it no matter what, as the two things she won't stand for are having the rug pulled out from under her and losing those she cares for. If she's somehow angered, Sakura's rage is cold and calculating, to the point of almost seeming gentle despite its ruthlessness. Even when not angry, Sakura sometimes displays gentle snark and teasing, similar to Tohsaka, but done in a more kind-hearted way.

And that's far from all there is to her.

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Proof > arguments

Sometimes i wonder if Sakurachads are Hunterchads too?

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Based

Sounds like a generic yandere moeblob desu
>Sakura's rage is cold and calculating, to the point of almost seeming gentle despite its ruthlessness
This is how she is beneath her facade at all times. She thrives on schadenfreude and is pretty similar to kirei

>generic yandere moeblob
Cramming buzzwords is not an argument.

>Sakura has no personality!
>I hate Sakura's personality!
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch and every brainlet who makes these arguments suffers from it.

>None had a life nearly as shitty as Sakura's
>None
Excuse me? Illya did! She was born to be that same human sacrifice as Sakura, put through torture and mutilation throughout her childhood for this reason, the result of which stunted her growth and shortened her lifespan to the point she won't even live to 20!

Why do people like Rin anyway? I never understood the appeal of a tsundere

Men enjoy the thrill of the hunt. There's nothing more satisfying than taming a feisty girl. Only low test betas like girls who throw themselves at you.

She's cute and wife material, but BB, Melt, and Kama are better.

>sluts are wife material
Enjoy being beta bucks.
She's as generic and artificial as it gets.

While Illya undoubtedly had a shitty life, she did grow up sheltered with very loving and attentive parents. It’s the question of whether being loved and having that love cruelly ripped away from you is better or worse than never being shown love to begin with

To be fair Illya never pretends to be good person. She tells you from the get go that she wants to kill you.

Rin wanted Shirou's cock from the beginning, you overcompensating pussy. Most tsundere heroines are never 'tamed', they're won over by the main character's niceness like most every other.

man I love pictures of Sakura being happy, they make me feel warm inside.

Not as genetic and artificial as your opinions, reddit9kfag.

HF Normal proves that Rin is a slut while Sakura isn't, though.

>It’s the question of whether being loved and having that love cruelly ripped away from you is better or worse than never being shown love to begin with
The result of which left her believing her father didn't love her, just like Sakura. That question does not change that fact, nor does it change the life altering and damaging events Illya had to go through while believing her father had left her to this fate.

Sakura also undoubtedly had a shitty life, but so did Illya, and at least Sakura will live from the things she went through.

And she didn't have reasons to be!?

Let's assume you're thirsty. Now you have two choices:
Drink the water directly from the bottle
Or
Pour the water on the floor and lick it

Now you're telling me you'd rather lick the floor? That's pathetic dude, enjoy you're "thrill of the hunt"

I don't hate her, but she's definitely the least interesting heroine.

Illya is screwed up. I don't even understand the point of this suffering comparison. Anyone would give her a happy life if they could. But she's not the heroine, Sakura is. And something can be done about Sakura's shitty life

It's the personality that counts.
It's more like you want the water bottle but it's being held right out of your reach. When you finally grab it the water tastes that much sweeter.

When that motherfucker finally draws Sakura x Rider art with some symmdock. He did that for Saber x Rin several times.

>It's the personality that counts.
Which doesn't fit what you're talking about because the girls are easy. Whatever satisfies your desperate craving for self-worth, I guess. You'll hopefully grow out of it.

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Seething

>t. butthurt

The point is they shouldn't have said none because there are other characters who went through nearly as much as Sakura.

Case in point, the character she would have shared the second half of the game with (and still shares nearly half of her route with)

And I don't care if she's the heroine! Illya should fucking at least be respected in that regard.

>Rin wanted Shirou's cock from the beginning
[citation needed]

Play the VN, secondary.

I just realized that Sakura made lots of hot liquid food on purpose because she knew Taiga would flip the table and spill it all on Shirou as soon as she found out about Tohsaka staying.

She even had the towel prepared in advance.

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cope

He's got a thing against fat tits, the guy is a hack.

Sakura and Illya are my two favourites in the whole franchise. I absolutely hate Prisma though and it pisses me off that Nasu calls it "her route".

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eat my eggs

She's always had a lot of threads and is pretty popular on /c/ recently. I don't think she has as big a hate following as she used to.

If I got Isekai’d into the Nasuverse, I would want to be Isekai’d as Sakura Matou.
>Matou magic is “absorption and assimilation”, extremely haxx when getting stronger (hell, you can go absorb the greater grail given you know where it is)
>Extremely rare and Haxx magic nature (Imaginary Numbers, basically reality warping)
>Has perfect magic circuits, so you’re prime breeding material and have your pick of suitors
>Don’t have to actually study magic because the Worms give you all the knowledge you’d need on magic
>She’s much cuter than Rin or Shirou, while also not being poor (Rin) or autistic (Shirou)
>Meta knowledge means you can metagame the system and become a god
Why would anyone not want to be Sakura?

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>CTRL+F worms
>1 of 21 matches

Well, there you have it.

Is it just my imagination or have more people started to like Sakura as time goes on?

Is it because you're all growing up? The VN DID come out over a decade ago

but you posted proto Sakura

It's because of the movies. Secondaries like her because they don't know how vile her thoughts really are.
This is why we need a new Fate route anime asap.

All Sakuras are based.

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>this much cope

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Devoted Sakura fans have won people over by constantly and consistently proving her innocence and debunking the hater bullshit in threads while simultaneously exposing the embarrassing tendency for her haters to be ESL or crossboarders.

>This is why we need a new Fate route anime asap.
God please no. Move to something new. Like Archer origin route.

t. secondary
>wanting to ruin that mystery

It's funny because her haters constantly expose themselves as not having read the VN.

>wanting to ruin that mystery
Nasu stated that Archer's origin route is basically Fate route with few important twists.
That sounds much better than normal Fate route and something to actually worth of exploring.

The VN makes it clear that she's a selfish piece of shit.
See She's a duplicitous cunt.

Aside from the image being wrong, the VN portrays her as someone who can have very dark thoughts about other because of her past, which is totally logical, but never acts on it. Even when she flips she just kills villains.

>b-b-b-but it's wrong
like pottery

ignore him, he has no argument.

>See the number one screenshot people who haven't read the VN post out of context to make ridiculous conclusions
Meanwhile, the entire route hammers it into your head that she's too selfless for her own good, with everything from simple things like not being able to speak up about wanting the last snack to the entire finale being about her trying to solve everything on her own by sacrificing herself.

He hates it!

>murderer
>selfless
Ignoring the fact that she tried to kill Rin in the finale instead of just offing herself like she did (which Rin rightly called her out for in an earlier scene). She's manipulative and this makes it clear.

>only kills villains, several of them explicitly for the sake of protecting Shirou
The reason she tried to kill Rin was because Rin spat all over her attempt to save them and went to kill her just to be a bitch.

It's not the whole truth.
I know.

Wasn't the snack thing basically a fat joke?

If she truly wanted to kill herself she'd have let Rin do it.

That too, but it hints at her reserved selfless nature too, as the crux of the scene was that there were enough snacks for everyone to have two each, but she couldn't bring herself to speak up about wanting more when Saber wanted a third one.

There's a difference between sacrificing yourself so those dear to you can escape and someone you held dear going out of their way to put you down like a dog and risking getting herself and your other dear one killed in the possible aftermath.

Not it doesn't. She did it because she wanted revenge. Not to mention she essentially rapes Rin in a bad end.

same
we need more Illya x Sakura art

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at the end of the day, penis is gay

>There's a difference
>Not it doesn't.
Rinfags being ESLs as always, it seems. She makes Rin go through the same things as her because Rin told her she was weak and that what she went through was nothing.

So she’s vengeful and selfish. If she were truly selfless she wouldn’t wish her experiences on anyone else much less her own sister. Of course that’s ignoring the numerous people she’s murdered already.
Keep coping Sakuracuck