One Piece

God I want to fuck carrott so bad.

i really need Carrot gf

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she's actually my waifu

She is NOT a boy

No she’s mine
No backsies

Not canon

it's canon in my c0da

The sulong version?

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The question is how many times will he job in this arc?

he already jobbed once vs shutenmaru

Preferably, I want her to sadistically keep shocking my testicles.

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Jack>Fatenmaru

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i see only one guy bleeding there

I thought that you were at Mariezoaz Fujitora

There was no "9th person" chapter title.
Morgans' report didn't acknowledge Jinbe joining the Strawhats when he crowned Luffy as the 5th emperor
Jinbe has not been on any Strawhat color spreads.
He is not appearing in the new movie either.

The simple fact is that Oda messed up the post-ts pacing and has made it awkward for someone to join the Strawhats for real at this stage in the story.
Even if they get both Jinbe AND Vivi, that would still mean that Luffy never recruited a single person that he met in the New World.
Frankly I expect that the Grand Fleet will be necessary to take on the Blackbeard Pirates at this point. The Strawhats as a whole are horribly understaffed. Underleveled too considering only three or four of them can consistently use haki. We still don't even know who Blackbeard's 10th captain is, and god help the Strawhats if Aokiji is a real ally.

>fat

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I'm glad that some people actually get it. Jack will deliver

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When he uses his hybrid form and/or awakening.

Bigger than zoro's

Jack, Jack
He's a psycho maniac
That's right. It's death on sight
It don't matter who's wrong or right
I just might catch you gasin'
Getting paid is my intuition
And my ambition is to put the furries under siege
More death, more cheese
Got to get the paper. Meet your maker
In these parts I'm the undertaker
And ain't no shortage, I can't be laid off
In fact, rest in chaos

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jackfags rise up

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JACK THE DRAG-DOWN
HE TRIES TO SAVE THE CLOWN
BUT HE CAN'T, AND KAIDOU'S SMILE BECOMES A FROWN

JACK THE DRAG-DOWN
HE ATTACKS ZOU TOWN
BUT ALL HE DOES IT DROWN

yet.

ivankov exists

Momonosuke Oden and Caribou are the next nakama.
Momonosuke because he’s literally required to go to Raftel (Roger needed Oden even though he had VoaT).
Caribou because he’s the logia fit, and the best drawn side character drawn that’s not a strawhat, so he will be.

Do you think Kaido forced Jack to become a fruitnigger? Would Shanks still let him join his crew if that were the case?

he's a half-fishman so he can't be in shanks crew

sake bottle thick and stinky

Momo can't read shit, that's what Robin is for.

Shitenmaru is weaker, but his offensive cut can wound a Yonko commander.
Jacks subordinates over reacting doesn’t mean anything. Cat and Dog are strong too and he fought them for literally days without fatiguing.

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But he's so best. Surely Shanks can make an exception. Anyone would want to have Jack in their crew

>Roger needed Oden
?

>read
That’s where you are being speedy. That is not the gift that makes the Kozuki clan special.
Oden’s Dream is unfulfilled. Momonosuke is too young to be emperor and needs experience and a trial of passage.

when are we getting the next chapter?

>BB can wield multiple DFs
>His Jolly Roger has three heads
>Zoro randomly points out he is a "they" and Nami is like HUH DAFUQ HES ONLY ONE GUY

BB is either:

- Three little dudes in a big man suit
- A freak born with two brothers inside of him
- A corner Oda wrote himself in to

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This is the end, Mugiwara!

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2 days and a half

cursed image

You have to sign your name on the guest ledger to open the door or something like that, and only the Kozuki clan that made them knows how.
Oda didn’t introduce the Kozuki clan as non essential.

>- Three little dudes in a big man suit
Black, Beard, and Central Freeway.

Zoro and Luffy were talking about his crew. He is a genetic chimera, though.

> Zoro and Luffy were talking about his crew

Nami's reaction is so weird in this context though, she seems to have thought they were referencing BB as a physical being

that's what oda wanted us to think but they were actually referring to him

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Nami is secretly a baka too, she just hides it well

>she seems to have thought they were referencing BB as a physical being
?

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I see the headcanon faggot is in full swing.

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a bunch of team ups will happen for this chapter just because there are too many characters to show individually
personally i believe killer (from kids crew) and zoro will team up against Jack, they will exchange blows for a hefty amount of chapters along with all the other shit that will be going on.
some strong attacks from jack will land on both of them, killer will be taken out but not before he will deal a massive blow on jack that he will just walk it off and then basically zoro will over the top himself with armament asura and cut him up finally...
so basically a luffy and law vs dofy battle but with the vice captains....

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This is the translation I'm working with, the conversation is just weird if they're talking about crewmates but who knows.

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Zoro/Sanji will fight King/Queen
it's so fucking obvious

Please give me your discord, I need to make sure my theories aren't actually headcanon by seeing if you personally like them or not :(

Zoro is gonna kill Kaido with a single one trillion pound, super duper phoenix demon slash.

Don't @ me

dude....king/queen are sooooooo Usopp/franky/chopper level...are you kidding me?

Yes. Jack will deal with both Zoro and Sanji

>did that guy just now... have nakama?

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Oda is a fucking monster what the fuck

in what world does sanji fight people with swords? you fanboys are retarded...and if you mention the ramen autist on the train you are just stating the obvious

Ah well that settles it then, assuming you're not fucking lying to me buddy.

Still confus about BB's 3-headed flag tho

When Oda said Luffy would be Brazilian I didn't believe him until I first saw this image

Every single CP9 member practiced nitoryu through their kicks.

3 types of Devil Fruit abilities. He will get a Zoan fruit to complete the trio of strongest Logia, Paramecia, and Zoan.

Why is Wano so SHIT??

moments thaw women will never understand

3 heads = Three Fates, the incarnations of destiny
BB will likely get a third DF too.

WEEEEHAHA, MUGIWARA!

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Sanji doesn't need to be a swordsman for Jack to defeat him

the strongests zoan we've seen are sengoku's and kaido's
i don't see him getting either

There are tons of Japanese people in Brazil, more than anywhere else in the world aside from Japan. I can easily imagine Luffy as a BR haffa.

yea...and sanji fought with the only dude that instead of slashing attacks did piercing attacks....just stop fanboy

Marco has the strongest Zoan

Zoro will fight Orochi. nekomamushi and inuarashi are going to take on jack while Sanji faces Queen.
I've no idea who's going to fight King though. Marco maybe?

I can imagine that BB swoops in at the end of Wano Arc and takes Kaido's fruit like he did with Whitebeard in Marineford.

then why was he so useless at marineford?

Why not? He's in a position to do practically anything. The man can't be fucking stopped by anything but Oda's pen. He can easily just wait for the right moment and Whitebeard either of those two dudes.

>I'm sorry it had to end this way, Dragon-kun...

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he was just joking around bro

eh

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Zoro and Sanji might fight some people but their final enemy will be King/Queen. Orochi will be defeated by someone from Wano

because Marco itself isn't very strong, still he has the strongest Zoan in One Piece

Jack will defeat both Zoro and Sanji. You'll see

What takes do you guys have about BB being little fucking crying bitch in the SBS drawing of him in childhood?

Kid or Law could fight King.

>666
lol
Zolo and Lanji btfo

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>zoro
>defeated
boy stop watching one piece....

No one saw him getting The Strongest Man in the World's fruit either. He's gonna ZEHAHA Kaido and we all know it.

Blackbeard would probably be better off with Marco's fruit because its regenerative abilities make up for the Yami Yami's weaknesses. But being a fuckhueg dragon god that can breath massively destructive shockwaves and sucks everything into his gaping maw like a true black hole would be cool too.

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Based

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Blackbeard won't get another fruit, he's already too much of counter of Luffy since one his touch can disable Luffy gears

The FRUIT is the strongest, it's a mythical zoan. Marco just ain't that strong.

Kaido's fruit might be stronger, but it's also an artifical SMILE, so we'll just have to see.

long hiatuses but consistent in quality > weekly chapters with the sole purpose of milking the cashcow

Jack can do it. They don't have a zunisha to save them now

>sanji
definitely
>zoro
no

Blackbeard's zoan will be a Tardigrade. Prove me wrong.

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BB is the only true pirate in the series. If he was a crying bitch then the only childhood a true pirate can have is one of being a crying bitch.

He was jobbing, but when used by an actual alpha male infinite rezzing AND flying AND fire is pretty fucking nuts compared to any other DF except mayyyybe Kaido

Speaking of which, has Kaido even been confirmed to be a DF user? Has there been any observed situation of him having to deal with swimming or anything?

based

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What does that matter? Maybe Luffy won't defeat him? Maybe someone else will?

Also, need I remind you that Blackbeard is a cowardly little bitch? He could become near omnipotent for all Luffy cares, the man with the stronger will wins.

Which is amazing how Oda can have weekly chapters but still keep up the consistency.

He literally looks like a bigger Momosuke, probably eat special Vegapunk devil fruit

>consistent in quality

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The phoenix zoan would be perfect for BB. It would nullify his current weaknesses like taking increased damage or lack of mobility.

>has Kaido even been confirmed to be a DF user

He can turn into a fucking dragon.

Why is Marco goofing off by being a random town doctor when every single Whitebeard Ally and their Entire Crew is getting killed off by Weevil, one by one?

2 years ago, those Whitebeard Allies came to Whitebeard's aid.

2 years later, Marco isn't coming to their aid even though they are getting killed by Weevil.

Is there a bigger douchebag than Marco?

>They don't have a zunisha to save them now
And Jack probably can't use gas to save him now either, so...

if you unironicaly believe that zoro will lose in a 1v1 just stop watching/reading one piece.....

Probably the same reason Kuzan joined Blackbeard's crew; who the fuck knows?

>Is there a bigger douchebag than Marco?
Ace

We should really stop bullying Jack. Queen is 50x more useless and seems to think throwing fodder at Luffy will break his spirit.

>who is Enel

Jack is the strongest calamity. He was just having a few bad days

>Niggastream
But yeah, Togashi has been going overboard with dialog in the Black Whale arc.

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What if he's an actual dragon and he ate a human-human fruit and he's basically like Chopper?

All of the Whitebeard pirates apparently smoked a lot of crack or some shit because every last one of those commanders is a dipshit.

Ace is the king of jobbing, BB is a menace (based af tho), and Marco is literally the most poorly written character in the series so far.

What the fuck is Marco gonna do against Weevil? Job?
Being a doctor in Whitebeard's hometown is the smart choice.

What if he's a new dragon species just like the dude that Zoro fought on the bridge but instead of being a demon species he's a dragon human specie

He's protecting WB's homeland and grave.

Luffy will just pull some haki bullshit out of his ass and Gear Overdrive Gomu Gomu no Gigant Jet King Kong Cobra Clutch Lion Cannon Red Hawk Trebuchet Dick Mk. II to punch BB's fruit powers out.

Katakuri was stronger, faster, taller and BETTER than Luffy in every single fucking way AND YET STILL LOST.

Does Niggastream also remove all the images?

Katakuri threw the fight.

that was way before armament haki was introduced so he couldn't deflect shit from logia users, also it wasnt a 1v1 cause wiper was there. after zoro lost from mihawk he NEVER lost in a 1v1 and after the time skip he never even broke a sweat in his fights

No, Togashi is just lazy.
But don't make the mistake of reading Niggastream when there are much more concise translations available.

Katakuri lost because of his munchies homie, he hit the bong a bit too hard before mirror world combat

Katakuri will be the one to defeat niggerbeard.

>Luffy! Leave this one to me...

And then Luffy engages in the final battle against the true mastermind behind all of this,Buggy D. Clown.

This, Zoro has been smurfing since the Alabasta arc and he will literally never lose again. He will kill Kaido, BB, Akainu, Big Mom, Mihawk, and Im in one slash each.

>No, Togashi is just lazy
Then it's not very consistent in quality, now is it?
Also funny how you now say Togashi is just lazy when earlier you defended his endless hiatus with saying it's consistent.

Then after that mastermind is defeated, the true overlord of the celestial dragons will arise for the actual final battle... Oven the gigachad

>flying punching bag

How can you read Zoro’s statement to mean that? To me he clearly meant that Blackbeard had a pirate crew, since they had met Burgess and Doc Q. and someone had shot the seagulls from over the horizon.
Zoro and Luffy were commenting that Blackbeard wasn’t just a dude, he’s a pirate captain.
Also if we say there is a skull for every crossbone because we aren’t retarded and unable to count, we find that there are FOUR crossbones and that therefore the fourth skull is facing backwards out of view in Teach’s flag.
It’s FOUR skulls, brainlets.

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Think broader. If Luffy did not defeat a SINGLE Yonkou commander in WCI solo (Cracker was a duo fight with Luffy's wife), he's never going to reach his goals to become Pirate King. The gap between where he's at right now and Yonkou is the gap between heaven and earth.

>I will never lose again, except when it's a group fight or when I'm not feeling well!

>and after the time skip he never even broke a sweat in his fights
He did sweat a little against Pica, but that only when cutting apart a mountain sized golem.
Also the only time post-ts that he's worn the bandanna.

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>Also funny how you now say Togashi is just lazy when earlier you defended his endless hiatus with saying it's consistent.
You've got the wrong user. That wasn't me.

Law is stronger than Zoro

>the only time post-ts that he's worn the bandanna.
He wore it against that octopus in FI.

It’s pretty funny to think about how strong Mr. 3 seemed in Little Garden, and how Luffy still managed to be Crocodile.

>Also the only time post-ts that he's worn the bandanna.
He wore it against the jobber octopus.

So is Kinemon, the strongest red scabbard. Zoro would have a hard time against any scabbard, as they understand swords better than him, his only advantage is physical strength.

>- Three little dudes in a big man suit

we used that already
onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Baskerville

Well fuck me, I'm a speedreader.
The Fishman Island group fights were pretty forgettable for some reason. All I really remember is Zoro calling that guy a frog in the well.

this was not sweat...it was SWAG

Zoro was on track to lose his most recent 1v1. His opponent was literally helping him during the fight. The interloper just hurried it along. Reread the fight if you don’t believe me, sword thief is clearly superior to Zoro in swordsmanship. Zoro wasn’t telling the thief when he was wide open, but the thief kept telling Zoro.
If thief wasn’t too strong for Zoro, that fodder would be irrelevant like when Zoro fought Luffy ok Whiskey Peak.
There is a clear gap in sword skill between Wano masters and Zoro, with th Wano masters being better.

>ZEHAHAHAHA... Since when were you under the impression there were only 3 types of devil fruits, mugiwara? Behold the strongest 4th type: ZA WARUDO

>Katakuri was stronger, faster, taller and BETTER than Luffy in every single fucking way AND YET STILL LOST.
It has been months since the fight and there are still faggots unable to understand a children's manga.

time stop would just be a paramecia

That's just an awakened Noro Noro no Mi.

Teach stops the four winds end game and that’s the meaning of his flag. Imagine if EVERYWHERE became like the calm belt. No wind.

Toki Toki no Mi

i stopped reading wano two months ago because it got boring. did it get good yet?

Everyone knows he threw the fight, faggot.

Coping if you truly think Daifuku's fruit is a mere paramecia instead of the 4th type

>months
It's literally been over a year, the fight ended in february 2018,

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Shit. Has it been that long?

Paramecia is literally anything that isn't a logia or zoan.

And it's been over 6 months since Kaido one shot Luffy.

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Yasu's about to drop a huge metaphorical bomb about Orochi to everyone in Wano, and Queen is quite pissed at Luffy, with Big Mom now in Udon. We'll really just have to see what Yasu says.

But if you felt like putting it on hold for 6 more months, you'd get Reverie content and possibly Oden's flashback by that point. But things slowly have been getting more tense since 937.

Reading One Piece arc by arc is the objectively best way. In 2 years you're gonna have a blast.

He wasn’t. Luffy stopped his kick in base form.
Katakuri says “I’m gonna lose if I don’t win right now! His CoO is improving during the fight!”
Katakuri says he’s going to lose during the fight, ruining your argument.
Katakuri creates the illusion of god speed and god strength with his advanced CoO, he’s literally weaker than base Luffy in an arm wrestling match.

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>There is a clear gap in sword skill between Wano masters and Zoro, with th Wano masters being better.

i dont doubt that but still zoro would not have lost, at best thief would do something tricky to steal his sword and then run for it and the fight would turn comical, zoro CAN'T lose a single 1v1 anymore because it will hurt his image as a character not in one piece world but in real world too, he simply cant be beaten in a serious 1v1, say its plot armor, oda hacks or whatever, it's just fact.

Oda doesn’t write based on fears like you suggest.
Whenever Zoro says he will never lose again he is guaranteed to.
He will be cut down through Asura.

he has more, it's just hard to track down a kid he had 40 years ago when has was a literally who in east blue

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I want to breed with Carrot and have human/mink hybrids!

He also had superior armament.

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Realistically, how long do you think it will take for One Piece to end? I'm thinking 7-8 years.

Sanji confirmed better balance than Zoro
Eat shit Zolotards

depends if it goes on hiatus

>picking wrong translation

What fears? Zoro is too much of macho/badass character to be turned into a joke and make him not do the only thing his all macho/badass character is about. For zoro to lose is like saying luffy wont protect his friends in a need. It completely contradicts his character and if in 1 in a million chance happens it will be very bad, for everything, fans, sales, favorite character ladder, all these may seem stupid to you but for people like oda matters and that's why it will never happen, i had my doubts too, long ago, but since zoro trained with mihawk it's just never gonna happen.

>Oda
>hiatus
now this one is funny

Haki is such inconsistent bullshit. It's supposed to let you damage a fruit user's "true body", but that seems to randomly change from fruit to fruit. It lets you hurt Luffy, but not actually cut Buggy. It also doesn't apply to zoans or Hawkins for some reason.

he's gonna want to see his kids sometime before they become adults

Is this the most detailed One Piece page?

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It let's you touch logia users. It doesn't let you nullify their devil fruits. Buggy would still be able to separate even if a blade attacked him regardless of haki or not.

Then why should it let you hurt Luffy with blunt attacks? He's still rubber after all.

Imagine Oda appearing out of his cave in the year 2029 and realizing that he had a wife and kids once upon a time

You can hurt buggy with blunt attacks too. I think you are confused.

Zoro won’t be turned into a joke if he’s cut down, he will complete himself as a swordsman and as a result of catching up to the samurai in skill, but being vastly physically stronger, he will be superior to all of them.
Part of Zoro’s theme is that he has to train, he has to try. He’s the kid who studies to pass the test not the kid who parties and passes anyway.
Right now he’s overwhelmingly physically strong but his swordsmanship is sub par.
Zoro can’t beat Kinemon, let alone Kyoshiro, without a skill up and he won’t get that without being cut down.
When Zoro does Asura because he’s getting wrecked, Kyoshiro will recognize it and defeat it with one slice, cutting him down.
My guess is that Kyoshiro will only fake kill Zoro though, like he did the whore.

Not only will Zolo lose the gap will be so large it will be a casual affair for Kyoshiro.

he visited an onsen with his family recently

The colored version is even more impressive, would post if I can find it.

dude wtf? with haki you can just touch/damage logia types body, it doesnt negate the devil fruits abilities....its not BB fruit...

>Zoro can’t beat Kinemon
You mean the guy who got effortlessly dismantled by Law and shat bricks at the sight of Zoro cutting up Pica?

>Zoro can’t beat Kinemon
I doubt that

literally a rip off from the risotto vs doppio fight
this entire arc has just been a massive JoJo reference

well....agree to disagree
time will tell

he may learn to actually shoot flying haki slices, who knows?

That's enough for a couple of years.

>he may learn to actually shoot flying haki slices, who knows?
He can already do that

When did Zoro defeat Shichibukai Law?

what?
literally shoot haki? not coat his fucking sword with it and slice with them

Luffy is supposed to be highly resistant to blunt attacks, because his DF turned him into rubber. Rayleigh explained that CoA haki lets you bypass this and hit a fruit user's true body, and demonstrated it by hurting Luffy, so it's clearly not logias only, speedreaders. No, its not complete negation, since he doesn't actually take damage, just the pain, but this property seems to only apply to him because reasons.

Kinemon was amazed at Zoro’s physical strength to make a cut that big. Zoro has already been cut down by Wano fodder in the arc. Kinemon hasn’t and is the leader of the scabbards who also haven’t been cut down yet.
Why would Oden’s friend swordsman who can cut explosions and who is literally the leader be weaker than his subordinates?
Show me what sword fights Kinemon has lost faggot.

>Zoro has already been cut down by Wano fodder in the arc
when

>who is literally the leader be weaker than his subordinates?
He is the leader because the strongest scabbards fucked off after they dissapeared for 20 years

Cutting Pica down sure wasn’t useful against the Wano samurais already so why would it defeat Kinemon to slash a mountain?
Kinemon will stab Zoro and burn his insides like Akainu, he is WAY superior as a swordsman.
It’s true Zoro can lift a heavier weight or cut a bigger mountain.

>arguing with the kinemonfag again
when will you guys learn ??

>Zoro can’t beat Kinemon, let alone Kyoshiro, without a skill up and he won’t get that without being cut down
I know Zoro never really had a mr. 1 -tier fight since TS but come on man.

Spandam was the leader of CP9, he could cut things with Funkfreed.

Ya so why was he picked and trusted to protect Momonosuke, Oden’s son, and to lead the red scabbards if he’s the weakest.
You are a brainlet.

the hell are you talking about

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Which other red scabbard has cut fire? Kinemon is a master swordsman who was split into thirds as a plot device to make him less useful.

Zorojuro

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Who has Kinemon lost to in a sword fight that makes you believe he’s weak like Spandam?
He’s literally drawn the height of an admiral. He’s not weak.

Has Kinemon cut a mountain?

law

Has Zoro cut an explosion?

Law.
Zoro in their duel over Shusui.

>tall means strong

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You said "flying haki slashes", something that Zoro demonstrated with Monet. You seem to have trouble explaining what you mean.

Law can cut bigger mountains than Zoro. Also Kinemon lost to his devil fruit magic, which is canonically one of the most bullshi

I don't have a foot fetish or anything like that but for some reason Nami's high heeled sandals make my dick hard

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Never said it was only logias. It doesn't work on buggy because you never get a chance to hit his real body with a blade because his body would split thus rendering haki pointless in this scenario. Luffy is a different case since a punch will still come into contact with him.

>ever comparing someone to Luffy when measuring general strength

>He’s literally drawn the height of an admiral
Can "height = strength" fags just fuck off already?

Kinemon and Zoro’s duel hasn’t occurred yet. So far Zoro only has shown a propensity to lose such a duel as well. His opponents couldn’t even create explosive strikes like Kinemon can.
Law > Zoro

*Lack the Job

>law can cut mountains from sheer swordsman power better than zoro
>also he's not even a good swordsman kinemon lost to his bullshit fruit
huh

I'm currently at the Baroque Arc. Does Usopp become any less annoying?

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It’s an ancient meme here newfag. Kinemon is the same height as Aokiji exactly, cuts explosions, and immediately saved the crew once Nami put him back together.
He has only ‘lost’ one fight, to Shichibukai Law, who ringed him out.
He cuts literally FIRE.
He’s leader of Red Scabbards.
He’s the chosen by Oden bodyguard for Oden’s son.
He escaped a Yonko crew singlehandedly (it was very difficult for the strawhats).
Literally what makes you think he is weak, that he was impressed by a mountain being cut?

YBuggy's body automatically splits when a blade/slice touches him, meaning it actually DOES make contact. It would still split him, but it should also make Buggy FEEL like he's getting sliced in half, which it doesn't.
And what's your explanation for it not affecting Hawkin's scarecrow form, or Zoan's half-beast forms? That should make them feel like their regular body got hit.

Zorojuro

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"shoot a haki enriched slice"

is that better?

just like the amazon arrows that were destructive on impact because they had haki IN them

This isn’t an argument. I didn’t bring up that Kinemon’s only loss was to Law, but I pointed out that Law cuts bigger objects than Zoro.
If Law isn’t a swordsman what swordsman has Kinemon lost to? So he’s undefeated and that’s why you anons are so sure he’s weak?

he does some cool stuff in a future arc but if it ell you it would be spoilers

Doesn't really seem like undefeated when he's barely fought anyone.

tfw the final boss is a manlet, therefore low tier

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>Be half fishman
>Be jobber

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He defeated those mythical slimes on Punk Hazard.
Also, yes he has but it’s funny you say that.
Oda showed those Dressrosa people threatening Kinemon with Kanjuro as a hostage, that they would kill Kanjuro if he made a move.
Oda then OFF PANELS Kinemon rescuing him anyway, not showing the reader Kinemon’s power level but clearly he overcame the hostage situation successfully.

So the only evidence Kinemon is weak is he was once impressed by a huge sword slash, and that Laws ability worked on him?
If Zoro was just a torso could he beat Brooke?

he is undefeated because he has never fought you troll, what enemy has he actually defeated? Dofy soldiers? marine soldiers? all the while he was running left and right...and he cutted fire...big fucking deal, zoro will learn that too and escale it by 1 billion...just shut the fuck up already

>Kinemon and Zoro’s duel hasn’t occurred yet.

Yes it has, idiot. Do you think they just jerked each other off on the way to Dressrosa or something? Zoro low diff off-screened him, which is why Kinemon has never mentioned it again.

I bet it went exactly like this

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He’s a legendary samurai who Orochi claims is overwhelmingly powerful, and who’s claim is substantiated by Oda purposely hiding Kinemon’s fight when he rescued Kanjuro.
Surely Kinemon is weaker than Kyoshiro, but he’s stronger than the other red scabbards otherwise Momo would go with Inaurashi.

They didn’t have the fight yet retard, post panels to prove your claim.
You know you are wrong about Kinemon being weak if you have to invent a fantasy to make it so.
Admit it, Oda fooled you because he looks goofy.

seems like a perfect setup for zoro to save him and prove everyone he's stronger than the red scabbards

>If Zoro was just a torso could he beat Brooke?

Yes, very easily. He already beat Brook's shadow when it was inhabiting the body of the strongest fucking swordsman of all time, without 3 swords, and didn't take any damage whatsoever.

and people seem to fucking forget how freakishly strong zoro is even without his swords.....

Alright. Thank you. And for not spoiling.

The takeaway is that he splits thus rendering any blade damage useless against him. Why should feel like he is getting sliced because of haki even though he isn't getting sliced?

>And what's your explanation for it not affecting Hawkin's scarecrow form, or Zoan's half-beast forms
I don't understand... they get hit like you would expect to happen.

>Zoro will surpass Kinemon.
Never argued otherwise. So far you are shouting that Kinemon is weak but your only evidence for this claim is that he complimented another swordsman’s technique and that he wasn’t immune to Laws magic.
He’s the leader of the red scabbards, he’s momonosuke’s body guard, he can cut and generate fire and explosions with swordsmanship, and he is stronger than post-skip Brooke as literally a torso. Post skip brook isn’t even weak.

UH, ALL THE FISH PEOPLE OR WATERNIGGERS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM, GET OFF THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S FOR HUMANS ONLY, UNDERSTAND, CAUSE IF YOU DON'T I WILL MAKE FISH PEOPLE SLAVES AGAIN!!

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Crocodile just got wayyyy too fucking cocky dawg, which is understandable given Luffy was a nobody at the time

Zoro will save him I agree, but he’s not stronger now, he will become stronger during that fight.

In my physical copy it's translated as something along the lines of
>"Not just one guy? Who else is there?"
>"Well, all of them... I guess"
So I always thought it was about how most of the pirates on the island were secretly interested in going there but gave up on reaching sky Island since they had to either risk everything on the odd chance of that dream being real or look like a coward.
By declaring sky islands / their dreams a joke they took the easy way out because that gave them a good excuse to not even try.

Haki specifically only addresses the intangible nature of Logia types. Katakuri isn't even a Logia, he was just tactically dodging Luffy's shit with pudding evasion + observation haki

I have this idea stuck in my head that Imu has an Imucave and monitors the world from it.
Like the freezer with the giant straw hat is only one part of the Imucave. Elsewhere in it is:
>A section that uses poneglyphs as floor tiles
>An ultimate transponder snail that can wiretap any in the world
>The Porcelain Throne
>A large silo/hanger with Uranus that opens for it to take off from the Red Line
>The preserved and mounted heads of Joyboy, Noland, and Roger
>The Pluton in a bottle (miniature replica)
>The Oro Jackson in a bottle (real)
>At least one dragon skeleton
>A dakimakura of a Nefertari queen resembling Vivi from the Void Century

He is getting sliced, you fucking retard. Unless you're implying that Buggy's body ALWAYS preemptively splits itself automatically, so the blades never actually touch him, which is flat out wrong. Otherwise that logic should apply to Luffy too. He's getting hit, but he's still rubber, so it shouldn't do anything.

>they get hit like you would expect to happen.
Yeah, in their transformed state. The haki SHOULD make it feel like their "true body", their regular, normal human bodies are getting hit and cause more pain. But it doesn't.

Then why does CoA haki hurt Luffy? He's not a logia.

I phrased that poorly, the obvious nature of Armament haki is that it makes you hit and block shit harder. The fact that it makes Logia types tangible is the more specific property of the technique.

Not him but if you watch Whitebeard stab Aokiji on Marineford, it perfectly illustrates how Katakuri avoided taking damage.
In fact in the Katakuri fight Luffy gets scared because like you he doesn’t understand why. Once he figures out Katakuri’s method he comments on it too.

Except it doesn't seem to be that way. If it just made them harder/stronger, to the point it could cause pain to Luffy's rubber body, it should do actual, lasting damage too. But instead it only causes pain.

>I WAS BORN WITH A DICK IN MY BRAIN

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Zoro’s ability to fight Brooke Ryuuma as a full man has nothing to do with whether he’d be able to do so as a torso with no legs and no head, retard.
Post Skip Brooke wounded a main homie and stole a red Poneglyph with a dragon in the room.
You are reaching hard to make Kinemon seem weak, because you have to since he is strong.

>YEAH, FUCKED IN THE HEAD

Show Zoro win a fight against a strong opponent blindfolded.
Now add earplugs, nose plugs, and cut off his legs.
Zoro would unironically get wrecked in that situation his CoO seems much more basic and dramatic for him to use (like vs Pica).
Zoro is physically stronger then the samurais but weaker as a swordsman.

>z-Zoro can fight with one closed eye and it’s predicted he would get stronger if he opened it.
>s-surely he’d be just as skilled with no head and no legs.

I want Zoro to 1v1 Luffy towards the end of the series, I think that would be cool. Anyone else feel this way?

Did you skip the Mr 1 fight? He knew where all the rubble was going to fall and where his swords were, without actually using any of his real senses.
Zoro could be reduced to just a pinky finger and still one shot Brook.

>Demon Pirate Hunter
Maybe Zoro had a real reason for hunting pirates that happened before he was at Koshiro’s gym.
Like maybe a D. pirate killed his parents or some such thing.

No.

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We are arguing semantics at this point user. My own interpretation is that it splits so fast no damage is rendered. We already have something similar in real life. Just imagine something even better with magic powers for buggy's fruit. youtu.be/rnlTGndRi38?t=171

>Yeah, in their transformed state. The haki SHOULD make it feel like their "true body", their regular, normal human bodies are getting hit and cause more pain. But it doesn't.
Hawkin's scarecrow shouldn't even be in this conversation as its entire power is to redirect damage to another person. As for hybrids, we are back to arguing semantics. Do you consider hybrids to be part of a users "true forms" as they are still part human in that. Even then, should a zoan really be complaining about getting a haki punch? Zoan fruits give them huge durability and strength buffs. They'll just tank hits like nothing.

I then watched him get blown the fuck out multiple times after that and fail to cut the snake scales at Skypiea and get stuck in a fucking chimney in Water 7 and get his sword stolen by a dwarf in Dressrosa and get his sword stolen again in Wano and recently watched him lose to some literally whos in Wano because he was leaving himself open and didn’t have good enough CoO.
Zoro is stronger than Brooke, but Brooke isn’t weak. Zoro would be really weakened if he was just a torso. Kinemon out skills him by a lot.

I think Naruto is more you speed, bro.

Unconsciously activated haki from the life or death moment isn’t explicit skill.
Fighting a soul magic skeletal swordsman with ice powers while headless and legless is an indication that Kinemon is overwhelmingly strong as a swordsman like Orochi and Kyoshiro claim.

Buggy can still dodge with his body, he just has to manually separate. There's also no real way it would apply to Zoans, unless you mean go through the enhanced toughness of their form or revert their transformation pr something.
>Hawkins
? Do you mean preventing him from using life minus or whatever?

>Zoro would be really weakened if he was just a torso
Not really, he would just take a bit of time to get used to feeling things out with haki only.

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>Zoro’s worst handicap was that he was wounded at the start.
>Kinemon’s worst handicap was that he had no head or legs.
Kinemon even beats Zoro at his “fight at a disadvantage” meme.

>Zoro explictly shown to be able to use CoO to sense his surroundings
>it doesn't count because he's not using it 100% of the time in situations that don't require it

lol

>one of the only people to defeat Luffy clean
>made it to vice admiral
>becomes a useless jobber after time skip
Fucking Oda

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When you're proven wrong this arc, are you going to come back and say "I'm a huge dumb faggot"?

>everyone has to become strong or it's shit

I'd love some stupid tournament between the crew and friends as a form of training.
Expecially for a rematch of Carrot vs. Zoro.

You just admitted he’d be really weakened with no head or legs without realizing it.

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Don't know, but I know it'll be offscreen.
Oda is a hack fraud

>Be Smoker
>Be logia user who doesn't even know how to choke people with smoke
>Job

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He actually might be the classic definition of Jobber, since he served to make both Vergo and Law look strong. But losing to two Shichibukai and having more or less a draw with a Shichibukai's top subordinate doesn't make him weak.

>unironically arguing that fighting a swordsman who fought big mom, with no head and no legs, is not a big deal.
It’s certainly more impressive than cutting big rocks.

>unless you mean go through the enhanced toughness of their form
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Why should a zoan's transformation also transform their "true body", while a logia's doesn't?

>? Do you mean preventing him from using life minus or whatever?
No, I mean that the attack should still hit his "true body" which clearly isn't his strawman form. It would still transfer all the damage that happens to his transformed body, but not the pain since that's going to his "true body".

Only if you will do the same. Bear in mind my claim is that Zoro will surpass all of the samurais, though he’s weaker for now.

>swordsman who fought big mom, with no head and no legs
What did user mean by this?

Dude, smoker has probably one if not the most deadly fucking logia in OP.
Period.
He's just a fucking retard who can't fully utilize that bullshit broken power.

Everything in that post is true.

Translation: Kinemon, while nothing but a torso and arms, matched Brook, who himself fought Big Mom.

Are you arguing that Zoro will learn juggling whereas he's already surpassed them at everything else?

Should have worded it better.
Brooke is strong enough to fight Big Mom and steal her glyph and wound her homies and live.
Kinemon fought him without legs while blind and deaf and won.

Big Mom could've dusted Brook at any time by swatting him. She was explicitly trying to keep him alive, so she didn't.

anyone can fight big mom
brook did literally 0 damage

>Zoro would be really weakened if he was just a torso.
This sentence is great out of context.

that was such a chad strategy, probably the best zoro fight

He was freaking Brook out because Brook is scared of ghost-like and weird things too.
And Brook lost to BM, he was only able to hurt Prometheus because Prometheus didn't think he could actually be hurt since haki doesn't even work on him.

Kinemon being stronger than Zoro has been a meme since Dressrosa, and it's retarded. Remember how after Punk Hazard Kinemon said he would challenge Zoro for Shusui? Well, he had all the time from the end of Dressrosa to the beginning of Wano to do so, yet we didn't hear a peep of it again and Zoro still had three swords by the time Luffy arrived. So either Kinemon pussied out or he lost, and I'm betting on the former.

The only evidence for Kinemon being strong is him being a trusted vassal of Oden. We've never seen him actually fight.

>MY STEPFATHER SAID THAT I SUCKED IN THE BED

But still, lasting long enough to injure Prometheus is a pretty good feat.

Brooke’s goal wasn’t to harm Big Mom (though he did harm the homie defending himself). His goal was to steal an inscription of a red glyph.
You can talk down on Brooke but you are only doing it because of the Kinemon discussion and your clear bias. When Brooke stile the glyph Yea Forums was unanimous about how badass he is.

Oda showed Kinemon do this to Brooke in order to imply that he’s very strong.

No, its not, that was a DF interaction, and nothing more. Unless you think Mr 3 is admiral tier because his fruit blocked Magellan's for a little bit?

I'm clearly forgetting when that ever would have been relevant for Hawkins. Do you mean when Kizaru lasered him?

As for zoans, are you talking about why Luffy couldn't hurt Kaido? If that's the only case of haki vs zoan, then you might be seeing an outlier.

>Kinemon out skills him by a lot.
Like shit it is.

You can't even deny that it wouldn't be cool

If Mr. 3 defeated an admiral because of a devil fruit he’d still be considered admiral tier by definition, yes.

not everyone, just my favorite characters

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>But still, lasting long enough to injure Prometheus is a pretty good feat.
thats literally all his devil fruit
brooke was mvp that arc but none of it came from fighting big mom

Big Mom could have blown apart Brook in an instant, and Brook was scared out of his mind when fighting Kinemon's torso and clearly wasn't fighting seriously. He was literally trying to talk it down from attacking.

Then I guess Smoker is fucking Yonko commander tier because he tied against Ace due to weird DF interaction then lmao

He can literally cut materials that Zoro can’t and fight high tier swordsman even if you cut off his legs and blind and deafen and remove his sense of smell.
Cutting things Zoro can’t is a clear example of outskilling him in swordsmanship.

Are you stupid?
It would have looked way worse if Brook instantly went down without doing anything. Just getting a hit on Prometheus at all without Big Mom swatting him is a huge accomplishment.

So Brook is stronger than Luffy. End One Piece, it's all over, Brook is the Soul and Pirate King.

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You cant use "fought big mom" as a feat
Actually, its worse because she wasn't even trying to kill him in the first place

I don't get it, why is Smoker the only one in the entire series using a seastone tipped weapon? Imagine seastone lined nets or something, that would fuck 90% of devil fruit users if they don't see it coming.

Ans if Brook defeated Big Mom solely due to his devil fruit, he'd be Yonko tier. But that wasn't what was asked, was it?

And here it is. Knowing a single technique someone doesn't make you a better swordsman. It'd be like claiming someone who only shoots a better 3 pointer is a better overall basketball player than Jordan.

>Just getting a hit on Prometheus at all without Big Mom swatting him is a huge accomplishment.

She was trying NOT to swat him, retard. She wanted Brook as unharmed and alive as possible to add to her collection of weird things. Its like dealing with a child throwing a temper tantrum. You want to contain them without hurting them, but the kid might get a hit in in the process.

They have seastone bullets, and Bege had a seastone spear. Most of the stuff probably goes to making the bars at Impel Down and coating the battleships.

>Dude, smoker has probably one if not the most deadly fucking logia in OP
did you read alabasta and skip over everything else

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>She was trying NOT to swat him, retard.
So how she beat him?

Brooke combining ice with his sword strike isn’t the same as spamming AOE clouds. Yes, I’d agree that Smokers ability makes him Yonko commander tier at area denial.
Brook enhancing his weapon before landing strikes with it doesn’t negate the use of it. The skill required to beat Brooke is the same whether his DF generated the fire or he used Kinemon’s method.
Brooke lasted several seconds against Ryuuma.
Zoro would have got killed if Carrot attacked him and he was just a torso as well. For fucks sake she dodged him like he was a joke as a full man.

Zoro needs to improve his swordsmanship and Kinemon will help him do it.

>Imagine seastone lined nets or something
Did you not read Loguetown and Impel Down?

*ice

He's not a logia, but I agree that that sentence is moronic. Caeser's in the hands of someone competent would be monstrous.

>Kaido's fruit might be stronger, but it's also an artifical SMILE
No it's not, Kaidou could transform into a dragon twenty years ago. His fruit is natural, as are probably King's, Queen's and Jack's.

>Kinemonfag ACTUALLY thinks Smoker is on par with Katakuri

You can't make this shit up.

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>Caeser's in the hands of someone competent would be monstrous
caesar is not incompetent at all, in fact his great scientific knowledge allows him to utilize the fruit to great extent

yahahahahaha

Rank all the current Wano characters strength wise this is my headcannon
Kaido>Big Mom/>King>Queen>Luffy>Jack/Kyoshiro>Kidd>Smoothie>Drake>Neko>Shutenmaru/Inu>Zoro>Hawkins/Sanji>Snack/Perospero>Page One>Kinémon>Daifuku

You are making it up though user, so far it’s only been stated that Smoker is on par with Ace at area denial, since it’s shown true in the manga.

Some also depend on matchups for instance i think Kin'emon could beat Perospero while Page one couldn't but Page one would beat Kinémon.

You don't get to just move goalposts like that. Mr 3 is just below Magellan level because of their fruits, same with Brook/Big Mom and Smoker/Ace.

And Ace is Sanji/Oven level at best.

Caesar's not much of a fighter but only a scientist like him would get much use out of a gas fruit.

Smoker could burn and suffocate an island to death if he had the skill of an Admiral. He could appear on your ship at sea and kill everyone in their sleep. His ability is very op because of the free heat aspect that Caesar’s doesn’t have (though he can mix reactions to make it).
Smoke can be more destructive than Fire and can literally scatter light, meaning a knowledgeable user could dab on Kizaru.
Smoke is composed of solid form particles, liquid particles, and gas. Caesar’s fruit is ‘gas only.’
Smoke is burning hot and poisonous.
Ace clashed logia with Smoker AND Aokiji and both clashes were tied as far as area denial goes.
Really Smoker’s problem isn’t a bad fruit it’s that he is mediocre.

He's a dumbass. His strongest move has next to no range and his final "power up" in Punk Hazard was useless. Oda has a recurring theme that those who are strongest are those who have conviction. Caeser is a coward and that hardlocks him from fully utilizing his fruit. He's like Buggy.

I think Smoker has to actively grab people with his smoke, Ace on the other hand can just set a place on fire and it's area denial without him doing anything else.

>Area Denial
In a world where people can level cities with a kick, what does this even mean? It isn't a videogame.

Can you post the page he clashes with Ace? I can’t find it.

>Caeser is a coward and that hardlocks him from fully utilizing his fruit
he's a fucking scientist, and world-renowned at that. try pairing a luffy with the gasu gasu no mi and let's see how far they can go with zero understanding about matter and its fundemental states

It's all the way back in Alabasta and it's just them keeping each other busy. Neither one could hurt other Logias at the time so they were effectively equal.

Area denial concept doesn’t originate in video games you underage ban.
Ace blocked Aokiji from chasing him with it at Marineford. It means blocking people from coming into an area, or pushing them out.
You’ve never heard of smoking someone out of a building? That’s area denial.

You are low INT in a video game.

I'd agree, but he barely did anything needing a knowledge of gas with his fruit. His most impressive move is the gastille stuff.

It means that Kinemon > Mihawk.

No, Ace does it again at Marineford vs Aokiji, speedreader.

Then you'd study gas. Going even further, devil fruits seem to give some amount of inherent knowledge of what you can do with them, which makes since. They are you own body once you consume them.

Nah, but probably Oden was the previous #1.

>Then you'd study gas.
that's the point i was making. caesar can make use of the gasu gasu no mi specifically because he knows shit

I don't recall any Devil Fruits giving much inherent knowledge outside of some somatic components. If anything, people often have no fucking clue how their fruit is supposed to be good at first.

I'm telling you that trying to break down powerlevels in OP is mostly a retarded gesture that probably springs from the same fags who argue endlessly about Dragon Ball. Going even further to try and say some dumb shit like "Smoker is admiral level at area denial" is full on autism. Take you meds.

A kid would just mess around and remember how he made the cool thing happen, and end up more proficient. The only reasons not to do it that way are eliminated by eating the fruit since you’d be immune to accidental damage/death from explosions and your chem supply is unlimited and cost less.

Did Luffy go to school specifically to study rubber so he could better use his fruit? No? You don't need a PhD to work with your fruit, you just need to experiment and work with it. It's your own body, so it's less like studying for an exam and more like working out.

Things that are clearly shown like Smoker’s fruit and Ace’s fruit clashing and tying, preventing either from advancing, and then this also being shown again at Marineford aren’t retarded to notice. Most speedreaders don’t even know Ace and Aokiji clashed on Marineford, let alone that Smoke did as well as the ice admiral.
I’m not assigning douriki’s.

Kalifa learned how to use her fruit in like an hour and Kaku found new facets to his fruit mid combat. The devil fruit's power becomes part of your own body, so learning how to use it is like learning any other physical skill. A lot of imagination, practice and diligence.
The two biggest weaknesses Devil Fruit users can have is a lack of imagination and complacency.

lol Zoro would one shot Luffy

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You're trying to quantify area denial as some metric that can be used to measure someone's power level.
>Yes, I’d agree that Smokers ability makes him Yonko commander tier at area denial.
Is a fucking autistic sentence that would be right at home in a Super thread.

Luffy can break those swords with his fingers.

>A kid would just mess around and remember how he made the cool thing happen, and end up more proficient.
pfftt, please
>Did Luffy go to school specifically to study rubber so he could better use his fruit?
the gomu gomu no mi does not interfere with elementary particles. unlike the gasu gasu no mi, so no he did not.

>Did Luffy go to school specifically to study rubber so he could better use his fruit? No?
All Luffy learned about his fruit is he could stretch. Without knowing what the gases are, being able to make gas isn't going to help out much.

I like this take, people just seemed to convince themselves that his multiple appearances early on guaranteed him to be some badass lategame brawler.

I claimed that Smoker is as good at blocking an area with AOE as Yonko commmander Ace, I never claimed that it meant he can defeat Ace hand to hand. You are adding a delusion to what I claimed to suit your argument that’s been refuted.

It's funny because Crocodile was basically introduced to bring in the concept of logias and make Crocodile seem like an even bigger badass. He's been doing this since literally the very beginning, he's never been the top dog in an arc. He's just always had a perfect matchup against Luffy specifically before haki.

zoro can fight boundman but snakeman blitzes zoro

by the way if there's one person that would make a better user of the gasu gasu no mi than caesar himself, it's vegapunk

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I’m never in those threads posting but rarely when I’ve asked a deep lore question about that story those posters give good answers.

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>Yonko commander tier at area denial
is a completely meaningless phrase. Literally. It means nothing in OP. Again, you're measuring up different people's components like you're trying to balance a game "well he has better range but she has better AoE". Where on the spectrum are you?

>Breaking literal demon-tempered armament haki cursed legendary blades when Luffy practically couldn't break through mochi armament haki

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>a poor ass fishniggers impractical, overcompenssting "sword"
>comparable to some of the top blades of all time

LMAO

vegapunk ate the genius genius no mi

Logias can be big fish in small ponds, which is probably why Caribou was introduced. We're told that logia's can get overconfident in their abilities, but up till him we actually hadn't seen that.

I've always thought his was like an Imagination sort of theme. Like he could just kinda think physical things of any sort into existence as long as it was physically plausible (with some sort of constraint to its power)

Luffy figured out the gears basically by himself. he learned Soru from CP9, but figuring out he could dope using blood pressure, increase surface tension with air and "vulcanize" with haki were all on his own.

Hito Hito no mi model: the Devil

I actually meant that Smoker was introduced to bring in the concept of Logias, and was immediately one upped by Crocodile the Bigger Better Logia that Smoker could never touch.

It’s very meaningful actually. Blackbeard can destroy an island tier area denial.
I was pointing out the difference between smoker vs Ace and Brooke vs Prometheus.
Brooke basically had “ice sword” (or fire sword is more iconic) but he still has to use the sword and land his blows. He’s still a legitimate swordsman even though he ices his blade.
Smoker was just using area denial vs another’s area denial, so. The comparison of Ace vs Smoker to Brooke. vs Prometheus as a way to make Brooke appear somehow weak and non formidable does not make sense.
Does it upset you this much to have your central point refuted and the point that Kinemon is very strong extra affirmed as a result of this discussion?

He learned complex facets of his fruit through experimentation and practice. The same would happen with another user of the gas gas fruit. Remember, logias are literally their element. Learning which gases are which would be more an introspective search than an academic one, since he is literally every gas at once.

seriously
did you not read skypiea
the smoke-smoke isn't an ultimate devil fruit

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>Comparing inferior fishdegenerate sword to superior japanese katanas folded over 1000 times

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Do Enel and Crocodile not exist anymore?

I have no doubt they love their series, that's not my point. The desire the autistically categorize everything lends itself well to Dragon Ball Z and beyond, and their fandom reflects that.

Enel is being worshiped as a deity on the moon, he doesn't a single fuck about what's going on.

Arlong is a degenerate but as stashing I said, degenerates possessing named swords has become the norm in the One Piece world, and Arlong’s was one of them. Hiribachi was its name i think.
Luffy pierced it with rubber fingertips after full stopping Alrong’s swing.

does that mean Hito Hito no mi model:GOD exists? usopp should get that one

again, you're trying to put paramecias and logias, and a very dangerous one, on the same level. they are classified differently in the story for a reason
>Learning which gases are which would be more an introspective search than an academic one, since he is literally every gas at once.
an introspective search? what? user, there's a reason why oda gave a fruit that fucks with gases to a scientist and not to a fucking monk or priest

I'm beginning to think you just like the term area denial and want to shove it wherever you can.

You even type like an autist. Seriously, where on the spectrum are you?

Area denial means jack shit in OP because "area" only has a value to those who are affected by losing it, which applies to zero strong people in One Piece. For instance, in the Ace vs Smoker fight, Smoker wasn't stopped because of Ace's flame, his weak subordinates were.

>Kinemon is very strong.
We've never actually seen him fight.

In a way that would be cool, but devolving into the tournament arc is the ultimate shounenshit trope.

Oda nailed a genderswap for once. I can definitely see this version being as arrogant and sadistic as her male counterpart

Because as a logia, when you better understand your element you better understand yourself. A logia's capabilities and limits are their own capabilities and limits, because Aokiji is literally ice and Kizaru is literally light.

>gave a fruit that fucks with gases to a scientist
You keep pointing this out, but when did Caeser ever do anything with his fruit that required him to be a scientist?

that's fanart

>for once

Ok I’ll word it better:
Ace vs Smoker was non comparable to Brooke vs Prometheus.
Brooke wounding Prometheus shows that Brooke is a strong swordsman. Kinemon can beat him with no legs and no head. You seem to know a lot about autism, it takes a lot of space in your head, i aologize if being refuted triggered you.

>Hiribachi
That's the name of an inferior sword if I heard one. Also Luffy didn't stop the sword full swing, Arlong, because he's a fish degenerate with a single digit IQ, just held it up to Luffy's neck without doing anything which allowed him to grab it.

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Some of the strongest One Piece characters are manlets tho
Shanks, Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Rayleigh, to name a few

>Brooke wounding Prometheus shows that Brooke is a strong swordsman.
No.

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>You keep pointing this out, but when did Caeser ever do anything with his fruit that required him to be a scientist?
even his most basic attack, gas robe, required some sort of scientifc experimentation from his part

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Landing the hit shows he is strong. If your warrior swordsman gets a special sword like a fire sword, he’s still using swordsmanship to be effective with it.
You are grasping and your central point is refuted.

>Brooke wounding Promethus shows that he is a strong swordsman
No, that's like saying someone who wounds a human with a sword is a strong swordsman. Brook was able to wound Promethus because of how his fruit interacts with souls. That's it.

He had to stand against big mom long enough to do it retard.

And she was trying her best not to injure him. The user who compared it to a parent dealing with a tantrum throwing toddler was on point.

>use silver sword to damage ghost in RPG
>still annotates “edged weapon” skill as multiplier.

>I-it doesn’t count his swordsmanship has magic added like Zoro’s!

Him wounding Prometheus has nothing to do with his sword skill.
Brook is a skilled swordsman, and got a 30 million bounty on the back of that alone. But his fight with Big Mom is not proof of that.

If you're taking that route then him using Smiley's gas with his own body would also count, since he created Smiley through experimentation. I'm saying that none of his attacks require an intimate understanding of gases. The closes thing he has to that is actually his neutralizing ability he used on Zou. That's probably the only time he really seemed like a gas wielding scientist. Every other time he was essentially lighting his gas on fire.

Where does the headcanon that Kinemon is weak come from? What justifies it?
Are you the same user that thought Weevil was a joke character and not strong until Oda said out loud that he’s not?
It seems like the anons who think Kinemon is weak base it on his goofyness and that’s it, there’s like ten things in the story that show he’s strong and nothing indicating him as weak.

How did he steal the glyph without big mom seeing?
If she had no head and no legs would she have a better chance of saving the inscription from being stolen?

He isn't weak, I've never said that. He's probably pretty strong, but some user has been trying, for YEARS mind you, to say that Kinemon is stronger than Zoro. Before we ever got to Wano, before we ever got the Zou, they have been trying to prove this despite not having seen Kinemon fight ONCE since he was introduced.

>I'm saying that none of his attacks require an intimate understanding of gases
the story treats it that way tho. in the page i've just posted, caesar highlights how his chemical experiments helped him improved the usage of his gas and therefore, his fruit

Because he had already done so by the time she arrived? Like what kind of fucking questions are these?

>not seeing Kinemon fight seriously ONCE since he’s introduced.
>hint after hint he’s strong and his power level is being his by Oda.

>surely he’s weak as the leader of the red scabbards, who Kyoshiro and Oden call overwhelmingly strong, him being weak must be why Oda won’t let him fight!

>Oden
I meant Orochi who defeated him.

Ya because Oda introduced the character in thirds and a third of him raped Brook, of course it’s theorized that his duel challenge was a serious thing and that it wouldn’t be easy for Zoro to win.

rereading the chapters after Usopp left the crew in W7 is so weird, I'm too used to Luffy usual happy-go-lucky expressions lol.

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But again, they don't require a genius scientist level intellect to use. He was able to maximize (according to him) the danger of his gas with poison, but that's like him using a lighter to make his blue sword. I guess I'm expecting too much, since if you are a genius level scientist with near limitless amounts of any kind of gas at your disposal, surely you'd be able to make any number of effective compounds. Gas for corroding rubber, for instance, or gas that would get around Luffy's poison resistance.

>Landing the hit shows he is strong.

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No he didn't. Kinemon's torso didn't land a single hit on Brook, he only retreated because he didn't have the time to deal with weird shit.

>Nami puts Kinemon back together.
>immediately, casually, after beating up Brooke as a torso, he defeats the mini slime enemy Zoro surrendered to, to “clear a path” to Kinemon, which they then could use to flee.
>challenges Zoro to a duel

You keep putting words into my mouth. I have never once said Kinemon is weak. I have said that he is not as strong as Zoro. Instead of trying to prove something no one is arguing, how about you tackle the issue at hand?

It’s hard to say if that Torso was even sentient in a normal way, and it still owned Brooke who fled and shouted “too strong!!!”

>raped Brook
Literally delusion. Not even headcanon, because it's actually disproved on screen. Brook ran away, after taking no damage, because he is canonically scared of creepy things and was freaking out at a disem...bodied? torso.

IIRC, Luffy went 15 straight chapters without smiling. That shit was intense.

Boundman would do better vs Zoro. Snakeman makes it easy for Zoro to cut Luffy's limbs.

What do you base this on? You think the red scabbards are weaker than the dude that just janked Zoro who was “wide open” with a scythe?
Kinemon can fight with no head and no legs. Zoro can’t deal with Wano swordsmen fully put together but it is obvious that Kinemon can based on Orochi and Kyoshiro’s words alone.
Oda only held back the duel because Zoro would lose.

>Beating up brook
Brook took no damage. What manga are you people fucking reading?
>Defeated a mini slime
Because he had one technique Zoro doesn't. Again, it's like saying a person who can shoot a three pointer from a few inches further than Michael Jordan is the better overall basketball player.
>Challenged Zoro
And proceeded never to again despite two literal arcs worth of time to do so after Zoro cut down Pika (which Kinemon had surrendered to ;) )

Brooke literally exclaims “too strong!!” before running away in the canon.

Learn context. "Too strong" as in "too strong to deal with this shit right now, I have useless crew members to go save instead of trying to subdue a creepy fucking torso"

>But again, they don't require a genius scientist level intellect to use. He was able to maximize (according to him) the danger of his gas with poison, but that's like him using a lighter to make his blue sword.
well user caesar, despite sucking his own dick all the time, is a pretty requested person of interest in the world. surely the max usage of his deadly gas (even if he was the one who said this specific line and not like vegapunk) must mean something, don't you think?

to further prove my point i'm saying that if vegapunk and caesar ever meet up and the former judges the latter's fruit capabilites as very primitve (and by very primitive, i mean that a toddler could also make use of them) i'll be glad to be proven wrong. in the mean time tho, that's all we can work with: caesar is a scientist, and a pretty good one, and his abilities seems to come from the chemical experimentation and weaponization of his gases

How do you people not understand the Kamazo scene? Oda is using theater themes in Wano, starting from the very opening scene. Further, Kamazo is the personal assassin of Orochi, who he used to kill political targets and threats in the capital. It's weird people assume him to be weak.

You are basing your arguments about Kinemon on conjecture, because we have never seen him fight ONCE. And if you are the same user, you have been doing so for YEARS, before we even got the Zou.

Imagine saying that it Kinemon could cut steel but Zoro couldn’t, retard.
That’s how it is with the fire.

Ironically, Zoro cutting Pica and Michael Jordan saying “wow, you can shoot three inches further than me!” Does apply.

He got some expressions during that period that almost feel OOC

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>When Oda sliced Kinemon in three it proved he was weak and lost to Law, it wasn’t a plot device.
>When Zoro’s opponent chided him “you leave yourself wide open” repeatedly and then Zoro got hit, it wasn’t that Zoro leaves himself open, that wasn’t the point of it, it was Wano theater.
Fuck off.

And what did he say directly before that and after that, in the same speech bubble? What did he say when he was running away? I'm giving you a single chance to redeem yourself before I call you a faggot.

Can Kinemon cut off a dragon's head?

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How do Sanjifags deal with the fact that Nami tried 10,000x harder to get Usopp back into the crew than Sanji?

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I’m aware of Brooke’s phobia, I’m also aware that he also announced that Kinemon was “too strong!!”
Which has a different meaning. It is possible for multiple factors to enter into Brook’s head, it’s not one or the other user. It’s both.
Oda didn’t show us how Kinemon ended the hostage situation on Dressrosa because it’d reveal too much of how strong he is.

So the answer is no?

Can some people shoot a basketball into the hoop from further back than MJ, but still get whooped by him in 1v1?

So why do your arguments apply to Zoro but not Kinemon? Kinemon didn't try to do Jack Shit against Pika, yet you immediately absolve him of this. Why?

Being able to send flying cuts is a high level swords technique in One Piece. The only people who have been shown doing so are the among the strongest swordsmen in the series, culminating up to Mihawk cutting apart a Tidal wave from thousands of feet away. Meanwhile cutting fire is little more than a parlor trick.

Fuck the three pointer, it's actually the equivalent of being able to do a single trick shot that Jordan can't. he still outclasses you in every other way, you aren't a better basketball player because you learned how to to the Peter Burrito's Cincinnati Slambo shot.

Wasnt this small dragon actually stated as stronger than the big one, or no?

it was OOC because he had to be the captain instead of the god buster

I have never said Kinemon was weak. Keep arguing agaisnt made up shit.

Replace cutting fire with cutting steel and say that again. You are a brainlet.
Both can cut rocks, Zoro is physically stronger so he can cut a bigger one.
Imagine if we met Kinemon beforeZoro could cut steel would you really be arguing this way?
You aren’t even self aware:

Uh, I dislike shippertards but Nami tried pretty hard to get Sanji back. If you refer to the slap and goodbye it was in the heat of the moment because Sanji went too far with his one-sided beatdown of Luffy.

You're a faggot.
>Oda didn’t show us how Kinemon ended the hostage situation on Dressrosa because it’d reveal too much of how strong he is.
This is entirely conjecture on your part. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's true. Even if it was true, it doesn't prove he's stronger than Zoro, which again, is the only thing being argued.

Okay I know your IQ isn’t good so I’ll explain this in simple terms:
Zoro learning to cut fire will be as big a deal as learning to cut steel, it is the pinnacle of cutting technique.
If Zoro couldn’t cut steel but could Kinemon could you couldn’t downplay it like this. It’s the same.

Cutting steel is entirely useful when you are fighting people who use steel for weapons, armor, ships, ammunition etc.
Cutting fire works well for if you are facing the user of the Mera Mera and...wait that's it. Oda had to create a supremely convenient situation for it to be relevant.
Why aren't you using the fact that Kinemon can light his swords on ire in your argument? That's arguably the better technique.

only a lawfag can defeat kinemonfag in a battle of autism

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>Nami tried pretty hard to get Sanji back.
Yeah, but like he said she tried 10000 times harder to get Usopp back.

Kinemon can fizzle the Kizaru explosion that KOd Zoro at Saboady.
>all kinds of fire.
Not just mera mera. He could cut down Marco the Phoenix too.

I don't know Robinbros...
I miss old Robin

based headcanon bro

I said that he can cut and generate fire and explosions and described him using explosive strikes in this thread already. Cutting fire allows that, it’s an upgrade on par with learning to cut steel, arguably better.

Marco isn't intangible as far as we seen. Anyone can cut him, he just regenerates instantly.
>Kinemon can fizzle the Kizaru explosion that KOd Zoro at Saboady
Also completely conjecture.

Explosions are not made of fire but Kinemon can cut them. It’s canon.
For fucks sake Akainu warned Kizaru to fear the samurai on panel.

Kinemonfags have lost their fucking minds

kin'emon is admiral level

It’s not conjecture, explosions aren’t made of fire and they extinguish it. Light is often considered as “Holy” type Fire.

Which makes sense as Kizaru guards heaven and the gods.

>Cutting fire allows that
Cutting fire and lighting his blade on fire are two separate techniques, as stated by Kinemon himself.
>it’s an upgrade on par with learning to cut steel, arguably better.
This is actually laughable. Steel is used everywhere in the One Piece universe and is the basis for nearly every weapon. He literally fights other people using weapons of iron and steel. They're called swords.

Meanwhile, cutting fire lets you cut...Sabo.

I think Nami got a special attachment to Usopp because she can relates to his weakness. (Although his durability already put him as superhuman lol)

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The only explosion he cut was burning gas. you're basing the idea on him being able to cut Kizaru's light on nothing.
Actually, I'm getting deja vu. You tried to argue this exact thing months ago, didn't you?

Fire is used everywhere in one piece as well, being able to cut it shows a fundamental understanding of how to cut that Zoro doesn’t have.
Explosions have KOd Zoro already.

>explosions aren’t made of fire and they extinguish it
The explosion he cut was rapidly expanding flaming gas, i.e. fire.
>Light is often considered as “Holy” type Fire.
Yeah in other series. It has never been mentioned like this in OP. This is what I mean by conjecture.

>Fire is used everywhere in one piece as well
It literally isn't.

Cutting steel and cutting fire are LITERALLY the exact same technique. One isn't more difficult than the other.

damn the art was really sterile and bland looking in that arc, looks kishimotoish almost

Thinking about it logically, it would be silly to expect Luffy and Zoro at THAT level to notice Blackbeard is some chimera creature, yet much more powerful people somehow didn't notice that at the war. Its pretty weak evidence.

Akainu: Kizaru, don’t go.

>Kinemon literally cut an explosion
>he can’t cut explosions.
What?

When someone shoots a gun, there is a spark.

Well, W7/EL is the most "shounen" arc

reminder that usopp got a full frontal view of nami in the shower, thanked her, and she didnt freak out

>kaido uses his super dragon laser beam
>it kills zoro
>kin'emon cuts it and then defeats kaido and has a threesome with kiku and tsuru
you know this will happen

I mean, she was busy with something more important

>has a threesome with kiku and tsuru
kin is too loyal for a threesome

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How is that going to happen when Edward "Big Dick" Weevil, AKA Whitebeard v2.0, is going to thrust his massive, throbbing black bisento into Kaido's asshole so hard it instantly kills every single Beast Pirate?

>luffy gets one shotted
>put in prison to train super hard
>zoro will get one shotted
>put in prison to train super hard
>luffy + zoro vs. king + queen prison break incoming

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No you idiot Zoro is with the prostitute so he has no incentive to go to prison anymore.

>zoro gets arrested for pimping
>has to train in prison
>learns to cut fire thanks to an old man that's secretly denjiro

The prison will be destroyed by Big Mom before that happens. Zoro will most likely have to go into hiding after the shit he's about to pull at the execution.

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What about the rivalry he establishes with Killer?

He can cut FIRE.
Smiley's explosion wasn't made out of fire, Kizaru's isn't.

*wasn't
was

Usopp and Nami are the best strawhat duo, every time they're both in the spotlight it's great

their recent interaction in ebisu town reminded me of usopp's "save me, nami" back on skypiea

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Why is everyone in Alabasta light skinned? Shouldn't they be brown

>Zoro will most likely have to go into hiding after the shit he's about to pull at the execution.

Yeah, six feet under over on Ringo.

WE

I love Nami's playful smile in the last panel

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it has huge vibes of nami patting zoro

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TELL ME ABOUT USOHACHI
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE TOAD

Who has a better chance of beating Luffy? Zoro, Law, or Sanji?

best chemistry
best doujin

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the toad is the traitor

Law if he ever remembers that his DF turns him into God inside his "rooms." So probably Zoro.

That's a big toad.

>sanji's strongest attack vs. a tired hungry half dead injured no gear luffy only knocks him out for a few seconds
If this happened vs. full HP luffy with Zoro, Luffy's fucking dead lmao

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Hear his fearsome roar!
youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds

Why are these retards so dellusional? It is the curse of one piece fags? I mean
1) Jack cuts fat samurai in the picture, literally fatties blood splashing around
2) Kinemon strongest? If he is so strong he wouldn't have lost to law and flew from Doflamingo....
3) Law is totally overrated. Haki counters his devil fruit and afaik Zoros Haki is far superior to his...

What if it’s a double entendre and they mean both that Blackbeard has a crew, and that he has many wills inside his special body. Re looking at that page it is creepy as fuck.