Uuhm.. So why everyone convinced that this panel means that Griffith is the moonlight child?

old buddies*

Also now that the scans are cleaner
>Clearly Moon Child's dress thingy
>Griffith is looking at his hair turning black

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>When your desire of having a kingdom gets replaced by your desire of calling Guts daddy.

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He yells it loudly.

Wait maybe he is larping

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>guts still getting cucked to this very day
kek

Look D E E P
L
O
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D E EPER LORE still

I mean I guess God hand is supposed to be faithful to their desires

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That hack Miura can't have planned this moon bullshit this far back right? Right?

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I mean, we already knew that. We've known since he revived.

>He must be doing it unconsciously.

with how much a fag Griffith has been for Guts in the past, I can't imagine he'd be against pulling shit like this. As the moonkid he can get close to Guts without his brand going insane, almost like it was in the old days

He probably has dual personalities

Actually the persisting theory was that Griffith took the kid's physical body and his astral form wanders around the earth aimless until a full moon where he can manifest himself.

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Griffith is part of it's soul with the flesh being of caska and gutts so Griffith gets some moon child buffs due to soul link

So I'm rereading right now
>Guts asked for the eclipse

Moral compass fail.

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Fuck you Miura

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Ending possibilities:
>Sever the link between Griffith and Moonboy to kill Griffith; Casca and Guts live happily ever after with their child, who they of course name Judeau
>Kill Moonboy, thus killing Griffith; Casca hates Guts for killing their child

How come Judeau was such a NTR fetishist?

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Also Casca tells Guts not to let anyone else trample his dream, even his friends. And that he must follow that dream alone.... all within earshot of Griffith.

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Either Guts and co had been on the boat for 3+ months, or there are just a lot of full moons in Fantasia for some reason.

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Honestly the first time I read Berserk I thought Judeau was actually gay until his dying moment

Time passes differently on elf island

what happened?

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Moe is a hell of a drug.

Unironically looks more retarded then when she was retarded.

He's not the moonlight child, they're just connected. The moonlight child was the thing he rid himself of that was keeping him from harming Guts.

She was cutest with the ponytail

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see

Basically. Im pretty sure that Griffith doesn't have full possession of the moon kids soul, so when the moon is full the moonlight kid is semi-free.

Looks like she lost weight

>forced to protect this for years
>probably going to get shit on when they finally talk
Poor guts.

The only problem is the scenes that show him displaying the intelligence of a full-fledged adult

>didn't scream because eclipse where she finally got penetrated by her husbando and not the plan B she settled for
>screamed because of when Guts tried to rape her and bit her breast

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She screamed because it reminded her of Griffith raping her, same with those bandits where she blanked out and killed them a while back.

Gaiseric hates your fucking guts, Griffith

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>years
any more than 1-2 would be stretching it. Its been years for us though, and Guts battle wounds do make him look 40. But I think he's like 23 max.

Missing the joke dot jiff.

t. Skull Knight

Does anyone remember the chapter they talk about someone who could be Void being imprisoned in the Tower of Conviction. Did I imagine that?

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Also this implies the God Hand will betray Griffith.

>new berserk chapter
Bruh it's been so long I don't even remember what's going on anymore

Yes, Mozgus mentions there was a doomsayer wiseman who disliked Gaiseric.

They possibly share a body. During the full moon, Griffith is unable to use his powers. Probably.
Was the child's body unneeded for Griffith to hatch or was just the egg apostle needed and the kid was complete coincidence?

All signs point to coincidence, but then again, ALL THINGS ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CAUSALITY

Thanks, found it.
So there were two eclipses during SK's rule I guess? One in the Tower of Rebirth, and another at the Tower of Conviction. Wonder what it means.

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I mean, the egg was made just for Femto to get reborn so the Godhand knew what was up in regards to that. But did they know they needed some other body with the egg? They cant predict the future afterall and Femto completely fucked Casca out of spite.

>666
Cool off God Hand
Eclipses are considered a crack in causality where anything can happen.

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Is that true for the mock eclipse though?

Honestly they don't explain it at all. The whole egg apostle thing barely makes any sense. He sacrifices himself to do what? Nothing, he's just suicidal.
God Hand just cheated to get Griffith a body. I think the baby/or a baby/something similar was necessary though.

I mean Tower of Conviction had a lot of dead/dying babies in it, I'm sure any of them would've done the job.

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He sacrifices himself and the world he knows in exchange for a new world. It can be argued that up to a point what Griffith is doing and Fantasia are part of that deal.

Yeah but since when did the GH make you pay upfront? Fantasia didn't happen until months later.

GRIFFISU-SAMAAA
WHERE DO YOU STAND IN REGARDS TO AN OVERHAUL OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM VIS A VIS PURSUING A SYSTEM OF REHABILITATIVE IMPRISONMENT INSTEAD OF PUNITIVE COMPULSORY LABOR AND TORTURE?

No way Griffith was planning that when raping Casca. He seems surprised by this baby shit/

The first one turned Gaiseric into SK and the other one made Void.

I thought the Berserker armor turned Gaiseric into SK

I mean, the Egg Apostle is the weirdest pact we have ever seen since not only does he sacrifices himself, but he also gets an apostle form and the sacrifice isn't paid untill much later as Albion gets filled with refugees. All other pacts we know of are inmediatly paid and what is granted is a powerfull form to do as you wish.

Nah, its just something he "once wore"

I mean, the berserker armor fucks with your senses but as far as we know it doesn't give you a flying horse or any passive buffs when taken off

Both would've been on the God Hand together then?

Why does Charlotte put up with this sort of neglect?

But SK is supposedly not an apostle.

He is probably a soul bound to berserker armor.

Nah man, SK is voids Guts, probably friends brothers in arms, until void was tossed in the dungeons, Probably for experimentation on other humans or some other profane magic.

Guts is wearing the one and only berserker armor known to exist

Hmm if the dwarves are a real race, flora and him could have adventured to their land and have them craft a special armor that would be able to bind a soul.

>So there were two eclipses during SK's rule I guess?
Where is that mentioned? Wasn't the rules that the Crimson Beherit only happears once every 200 years?

Not necessarily. Gaiseric could have turned into SK and just been a Chad apostle. After that he captured and fucked with the one who became Void who was destined to be higher ranking than an apostle

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But then who performed the second eclipse? Unless historians confused the two towers, but that would be a rather lame explanation.

Ah so Guts is Griffith father?

SK has been around for all 5 since he knows Void. He isnt an apostle considering he was friends withSchierke witch teacher and also Guts brand doesnt bleed around him.

There were dozens of branded corpses in the tower of rebirth. Only time we've seen that amount of sacrifices was during Femto's ceremony. And Void was supposedly imprisoned at the tower of Conviction, where he called the angels.
so it doesn't really add up

>2050
>final battle
>guts, to griffth: "i fucked you're mom"

There is more than one behelit. Hundreds more.

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a crimson behelit is a god hand behelit. They're different colors user, I think Guts' is green?

>Unless historians confused the two towers
>And Void was supposedly imprisoned at the tower of Conviction, where he called the angels. so it doesn't really add up
Just realized whats happening, you guys think there was a eclipse sacrifice in each tower. That is not the case, what was sacrificed was Gaiserics capital, which is below Midland and only accessible through the tower of Rebirth.

Void was trapped in Conviction, how did he sacrifice the capital.
ICBS (intercontinental ballistic sacrifice)?

What was the reasoning for that one chapter to be deleted again?
The idea of evil was too low of a ceiling or something?

Oops. I exclusively read the dark horse volumes and they don't color the colored pages so I forget

Miura decided he wasn't ready for the information in it to be revealed yet

It gave too much away too early.

Doesn't seem like a problem. The rules are to sacrifice what you love or hold dearest. If Void is the sage what he sacrificed was the empire itself, which collapsed after the destruction of the capital.

Charlotte is a fujoshit. She's like Anno's wife

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Then why isn't Rickert branded? Unless Griffith didn't consider him a member of the band of the hawk or just never gave a shit about him

>King sit in luxury
>Citizens crushed by heavy taxation
and you all thought this chapter was pointless

Yeah none of the BotH that got demonfucked in front of Rickert were branded either..

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Guts has a crimson behelit?

The brand was only put on the people with Griffith at the time, it was unnecessary for the rest because they were all killed in the physical realm, rather than the fucked up in between space the actual eclipse took place.

>pretty much experienced 90% of what the eclipse was like
>didn't go full retard or edgelord

ourboy

Rickert wasn't inside Griffith's Eclipse, was he? I know he was near the rest of the Band of the Hawk when they got wrecked, and Skull Knight saved him, but I don't remember him being in the actual "storm" effect that was the Eclipse proper.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE

Where were you when Charlotte brought down Falconia

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Thats one of the weirdest, he didn't get a brand but he was targeted as a sacrifice by the apostles, so who the fuck knows.

I think the apostles just got hungry on their way to the eclipse, anyone would've done

The Count was a fat slob who couldn't wait to stuff his face, but moth loli just wanted some of that shota-D

That's what I'm saying. You can't sacrifice something that's not in the vortex

Rickert is definitely based

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unless there is no vortex

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But all of the band of the hawk got sacrificed, even the ones that didn't get a brand.

If the purpose of this scene was to hint that Griffin's hair is turning black then it could have used more shading. Or perhaps some of it was lost in the scanning and cleaning.

We already knew he was moonboy.
When moonboy shows up on the beach Guts brand starts to bleed.
He looks over his shoulder and in the distance in the shadow of the hill top we can make out Zodd's horns and wings silhouette.
Zodd was there to either pick up or drop off Griffith before/after he changed.

Was Griffith really that salty or did Locus send the assassin?

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>You can't sacrifice something that's not in the vortex
>Theres a spacial limit for what you can sacrifice in a place were space means shit.
wat

Rickert didn't get sacrificed

Yeah, and Skull Knight saved Rickert when the rest of the Band got wrecked. So he doesn't have a brand and isn't dead.

When SK lands after saving Guts and Casca the Eclipse is a tangible thing in the background. It has limits in the physical dimension if you're not inside it.

see

So is the brand just decoration then?

Guts brand tingled because of whatever was on that cliff.
It does sorta look like Zodd's horn, but Zodd seems very surprised when he runs into Guts in Vandimion. Also Griffith doesn't need to be picked up since he can use the sky tree.
But nice catch either way. Def looks like a horn. I just thought it was the Kushan monsters.

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Was that chapter about Griffith introducing national socialism in context of humans over fucking monsters

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It seems like Griffith was aware, but he seems so nice in the latest chapters.

The tree didn't exist yet. At least not to this extent

I still don't see the problem.
>Sage is in point A.
>Sacrifice is in point B.
>Sage gets in Vortex, makes sacrifice.
>Vortex remanifests in point B and wrecks it.

It was 100% Locus who sent the assassin he got next level triggered

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Griffith transdimensional isekai chapters in modern Japan when?

Void is a magician who used the same angels schierke does to destroy the kingdom this somehow turns him into void. Gaeseric turns into SK on behalf of those same angels to atone for his sins. SK and zodd are also working together

Oh yeah true. So if Zodd's an accomplice is he seriously just larping a shota?

Nice joke. SK is way older than Zodd anyways.

He sent Guts to murder some guy and his child and didn't give a shit I wouldn't be surprised if he sent someone to kill Rickert just to tie loose ends

>tfw Griffith gets literally everything
Fuck this gay earth

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SK can be older than zodd that doesn't mean they're not working together

The child was Guts fucking up but yeah

>Hey Hey Zodd my buddy my pal cmhere real quick
>You know that black swordsman guy that killed a bunch of our comrades?
>Well I'm gonna get completely naked and turn into a little boy, so can you just drop me off a few hundred feet from him tonight?
>Thanks bro

post Zodd's fw

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No, the Brand denotes someone who can touch the Astral Plane (like Gatts). It's a physical indication of liminality, and it draws the bearer into that space.

Imagine devoting your life to finding the perfect opponent only to get turned into a wereshotas bitch

Griffith's Eclipse vortex never moved, though. We only have one operating example to work from and that's Griffith's Eclipse, in which only people physically with him at the time he used the Behelit got branded. So either Void sacrificed something else and then used his powers to wreck face on the Empire immediately afterwards, or Miura simply didn't think it through.

yeah but it really worked out ideally because Adonis was engaged to Charlotte.
Also Griffith had Foss's daughter kidnapped

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>Guts goes full Gambino and sells Moon Child's ass for 5 silver pieces
The perfect ending.

Zodd seems like he'll be supportive

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He claims to have had all the major plot developments planned from the start with some alterations done along the way. The child was obviously planned from the start since he appears in his evil firm at like chapter three or something.

Ok here's a shitty theory. Griffith and the Moon Child inhabit the same body but they are different beings. Griffith is a demon, a spiritual entity. In order to exist in the physical world he needs to possess someone. Moon Child is the person he is possessing. Sometimes Griffith's grip weakens and the Moon Child regains control for a brief amount of time, which also reverts the changes that Griffith is forcing on the body, returning its appearance to younger and black-haired. Griffith is hopelessly in love with romantic tropes, he likes to pretend he is perfect and noble, he likes to say he has been completely reborn as a human. He's not. He's a demon, always will be a demon, and he doesn't have a human body, he's stealing one, and he is losing his grip on it.

To Connrad

Tiddies!

>BLOOD AND GUTS AND GUTS AND BLOOD

The true chad of this story.
youtube.com/watch?v=mfD7nScwPb8

We also have the count from the 3rd volume

">Griffith to guts: Me too"

>ywn be a wereshota

It'd be funner if Griffith was losing once again to his desire to make gatsu senpai look at him

Guts had a behelit, and no. He got his behelit from the monster he killed in the first arc. It's a generic apostle behelit.

The count didn't have a capital-E Eclipse, though. He had a generic Apostle one with no vortex like Griffith had and Void would have had.

What if the whole reason guts ever survived was because griffith warps reality to suit his purposes, and that moon child continously influenced fate from the future down to the earliest past. Which is why griffith and guts became such friends, and why guts stayed alive.

The child couldn't overwrite griffith's dream and all that because he couldn't remove his own causality but paradoxes aside essentially generated this fate template either subtelty through griffiths body/mind, or at a later date when he became griffith or joined with him. Or something.

If it's cyclical does it matter if you start at the end or the begining. Because the whole thing with Gaiseric may have been simply pretense to rescue guts. Though I am sure you could develop this further to encompass the five angels or they might just be tangential

apostles don't have eclipses. eclipse is an actual solar eclipse. apostles just get transformed.

We have no fucking idea what kind of behelit it is.

There is something fucky going on with cycles since the eclipse is every 216 years and SK's backstory begins roughly around the time the first godhand out of the 5 we know was born, likely brain boi.

we know it's not a red one, which is what godhand memeber get. it's just a normal one.

If moon boy became god, and devoured the other of the god hand could he reverse engineer reality to have his own father kill him? To create the ultimate causality.

Void and Gaseric mirror Griffith and Guts, but what about the other three? Slan is a hedonist slut so her motivation is clear, but what the fuck are Ubik and Conrad doing?

As far as we know there are only two kinds, the normal one for apostles and the Crimson one for the GodHand. The one Guts as isn't red and a Crimson behelit only appear once every 216 years.

Couldn't remember what the actual event was called, thanks.

>what the fuck are Ubik and Conrad doing?
Pretty much filling the other 2 fingers so Miura can do the hand of destiny metaphor.

The real heroes

i don't understand the bullshit sacrifice that was The Band of the Hawk anyways. The only person indispensable for Griffith was Guts, and he escaped. Griffith became a god hand for free.

He got branded, Griffith filled his end of the bargain.

Except that he didn't even kill Guts and Casca when he had the chance. I guess if you're smart you can just brand people, power up, and then help them escape to elf land.

>those numbers
Fuck off and stop manipulating everything, Void

how can we convince Void to eat more? I worry about this boyo, shit ain't healthy

It's not Griffith's job to kill anyone, the feast was for the apostles gathered.

By removing large parts of his body, he only needs to sustain his most important organ, the brain, with glucose-filled snacks.

Dude causality and shit. Some times it wants to work and sometimes it's a lazy fuck.

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The apostles didn't even need to kill them or do anything. Do what thou wilt is the only command given to apostles

Yeah but the counts sacrifice gets directly taken to hell, clearly there's some kind of expected exchange in most cases.

That's kinda the point of Griffith's character though. He did care about everyone in the band of the hawk but he kept himself at a distance out of necessity. After the transformation you just stop caring.

To be fair, if any apostle was going to work with SK/Guts it'd be Zodd. He really doesn't fit in with the rest
Which makes me wonder: what would have caused him to become an apostle in the first place? What would he sacrifice? He seems to only live for battle

He used to have a childhood friend who he could never beat. After she died falling down some stairs he sacrificed his genitalia to become an apostle.

They will all eventually die. If they look into causality and see this fucker isn't ever due then something more important than apostle payment is at work.

>He really doesn't fit in with the rest
none of the /good/ apostles do (Irvine, Locus, Zodd)

Backstories, I need their backstories. Why are you holding back Miura?

>he seems so nice in the latest chapters.
Well duh, a running theme is him putting on different calculated personas based upon who he's with. Like with Charlotte at the ball vs how he acts with the band of the hawk.
The only time we really see him act impulsively is after guts leaves and the eclipse, and the only time him act really sincerely is again when he's alone with guts. It's a defining part of their relationship and his character

>They will all eventually die
not SK

SK isn't a sacrifice

What the hell even is he? A lich?

read slower

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>The only time we really see him act impulsively is after guts leaves and the eclipse, and the only time him act really sincerely is again when he's alone with guts. It's a defining part of their relationship and his character
Nothing gay about that.

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True. We really need some more info on them, since understanding why they became apostles might shed some interesting insight into the nature of the godhand and apostles

There's no reason to think he's not, unless you think he's not Gaiseric (which I have seen some people argue before, that SK is the sage and Gaiseric is void). His whole city was branded and sacrificed, why would he not be?

Griffith got swol af

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I'm not actually sure it's gay. I think that on gut's side it was 100% just a friendship pre-eclipse, but I don't know if Griffith actually could have viewed sexuality in that manner, given how warped his view of sex is

Literally just genetics

Griffith's mom, she's got it going on

>that
>swol
That's fucking ottermode, you DYEL

I'm referring to the Marvel movie bod he's got in

That's 100% otter mode. It's not bad looking, sure, but that is not swol. It's just low bf+low weight

Wouldn't it make more sense for Gaiseric to sacrifice his own kingdom?

Possibly, but it then raises the question: who sacrificed SK, and why does SK wear the exact same thing Gaiseric did?

Getting pecs and abs like that takes sculpting, his arms aren't too impressive. is low bf+weight

Do you think void moves his mouth when he talks?

Maybe its an irony thing like how Guts wears dark garb and Griffith wears white. One is a skull and one is a brain. The skull is the brain and the brain is the skull

>All other pacts we know of are inmediatly paid
Guts and Casca are still living sacrifices though, and Griffith still got to become Femto straight away.

Hes betraying the God hand because they took battle from him and they're the only ones who can battle him. He is immortal now and every fight is meaningless the only person to injure him is femto. I also think SK was his reason for using a behelit they have a history together and zodd says they've been fighting for a long time

We all know Miura's a detail maniac but the way he draws hair boggles me to no end. I can't imagine what he puts his assistants through. Guy's a madman.

>Getting pecs and abs like that takes sculpting
Those pecs are nothing impressive, and abs are made in the kitchen. You can do no training and still have abs
He looks like pic related in both, I.E. Ottermode

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>I also think SK was his reason for using a behelit
Why would SK fight a normie?

I can imagine Zodd was something very similar to what Guts would've become if he'd never met the band. He probably got injured as a merc and couldn't fight anymore, then sacrificed his nursemaid or something.

Griffith's abs have way more volume compared to that guy.

He probably lost his arms, that's why he can reattach limbs.

>implying his assistants aren't drawing the entire manga
I don't believe he's drawn any of the latest chapters. They all look stiff like drawn from models.

>SK collects behelits
>Zodd had a behelit
>SK wants the behelit for either summoning God hand or for his sword
>BTFOs zodd
>Zodd uses behelit

How did Griffith go from god's hand to somehow good in a human kingdom ? Can I get a quick rundown?

Tyvm in advance

That'd be full retard mode on par with giving Griffith the transdimensional sword slash thingy.

How?

Sure, but that doesn't really negate what I said.
That guy is untrained, Griffith being a soldier isn't. Most any sort of compound physical exercise/maneuver, including fighting, will inevitably train the abs. They're not something that really needs to be targeted outside of actual bodybuilding or strength training
Why the hell am I discussing this? /fit/ really does turn you gay

Somebody used a behelit to make a better world and femto volunteered as tribute to make it

no bully skull knight

People really still think zodd and SK aren't working together despite zodd being pretty buddy buddy with SK and saving guts at least twice

Ahhh that makes so much sense. Thanks bro

Three times if you include Wyald

Can apostles go against the will of the godhand/IoE, assuming the latter is ever re-introduced and not rendered non-canon?
Obviously there's the whole do as you will thing, but Berserk leans heavily towards determinism

Dude there's a whole arc where Griffith has a war against an apostle

Forgot about that so three times

Ganishka dude, he wanted to be greater than the God Hand.

>Can apostles go against the will of the godhand/IoE
DAIBA
DAIBA SOMEONE ISN'T KNEELING BEFORE ME
GO KICK HIS ASS

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Ganishka played right into griffith's hands though, ultimately giving him exactly what he wanted

see
There's a difference between trying to struggle against the godhand but ultimately serving their purposes, and actually resting the stream of causality, like guts, SK and casca.
Unless Ganishka was somewhere stated to be going against causality and I just forgot

Not really the godhand can see into the future that doesn't mean hes following Griffiths will. On top of that there's those apostles who want to eat the seer girl despite her saying Griffith will pissed and are only stopped by the one guy I forget his name

>The Great Emperor of the Kushan Empire
Vs
>one windy boi

Interesting. Maybe there's no difference between the two after all.

I'd say allowing the BotAW to happen and further bring about the Age of Darkness plays right into griffith's will

You know it's going to happen. His Guts-lust has always been the strongest desire of them all.

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But he didn't do it because Griffith told him to he did it unwittingly thinking he could win not knowing Griffith knew the outcome. And again the other apostles we're going to eat the girl despite her being under Griffiths protection and only stop because a stronger apostle was gonna fuck them up

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Ubik is Tzeentch and Conrad is papa Nurgle

They're secret gay lovers and void is zodds homophobic dad

WTF I love Conrad now

DUDE GRIFFITH IS THE MOONLIGHT CHILD? :DD NO WAYYYY

>Farnese didn't see the Hawk of Light dream
What did they mean by this?

And that was the point when Griffith completely lost it and started hallucinating.

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>a Crimson behelit only appear once every 216 years

I would say "appear". They always exist and they only fall in the right hand and activates when the time comes. Like a crimson one could be lying in the river for a hundred years before a kid picks it up and drops it and the right person finds it,

She'll kill Griffith.

succ

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none of the Guts Group did it, and Guts dreamed of Casca death

Voids brain so stronk it emanates light

man, griffith is more beautiful than charlotte

Given that Guts and Cascas child got aborted or corrupted during Griffiths struggle snuggle with her, my guess is that this Griffith has bit of Guts in him and that causality didn't account for this.

I don't recall this, when did this happen?

Wasn't that when he was trapped inside the sea god?

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Which one is the real one?

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Why’d he make Griffith so pretty

Oh hey Void

griffith always wanted guts' big juicy joystick

To make you want to protect his smile.

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most legit void post

Speaking of deep lore.
>It might take him longer than a lifetime to achieve it.

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zodd saved guts cause he was the trigger for the eclipse

Imagine being so obsessed by someone that you rape their pregnant girl for the purpose of becoming his child

The Moonlight Child is Griffith's future kid

>for the purpose of having a child with him and then becoming his child
Fixed that for you.

I bet Slan instructs her about pleasuring Griffith in her dreams.

You better dont fuck up

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>you may not know it but guriffisu prefers anal, and im not talking about him taking your ass either

Miura lost his touch.

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I don't see anything wrong with this. I want to brush Griffith's hair.

Or if you do fuck it up, don't try to reconnect with him.

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That dude in the corner big

Looks like Griffith to me.

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Griffith is the prettiest prettiest Demon Lord of them all.

FOR FREE

To be fair I more read this scene as Griffith trying to get guts to top him

So whats the chances of SkullKnight actually being Guts and not gaiseric

>Time travel fuckery.
Delet this.

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Its gonna happen either way. Didnt they say time works differently on elf island?

>ywn be a wereshota
>ywn get ARA-ARA'd by milfs
>ywn use your shota innocence and your adult cunningness to fuck said milfs
>ywn be molested by qt-pie gyaru oneesans who like /ss/
>said oneesans will never caress you lovingly even after sex
Why live?

Please. I haven't exercised in months I'm more swole than Gri-bitch. Griffith is like Serpico, light frame, almost no fat but not enough muscle either, so they are lightweight fencers.

me on the left of big guy

>the magnet in Guts' cannon hand is strong enough to hold up the dragonslayer by itself
Jesus Christ, how does it not get stuck on every piece of metal wherever he goes?

Seems it used just the right amount of shading to keep you guessing

Zodd saved him after the eclipse

>where do you work out
>at the library

Griffith couldn't use the sky tree at the time. Only moonboy could.
NOW Griffith can use sky tree.

>ywn be a wereshota
>ywn get ARA-ARA'd by milfs
>ywn use your shota innocence and your adult cunningness to fuck said milfs
>ywn be molested by qt-pie gyaru oneesans who like /ss/
>said oneesans will never caress you lovingly even after sex
This needs to be a story.

>Creates strongest apostle on par with himself
Zodd stopped him from stopping the eclipse, the pseudo-eclipse, saving Flora.

Was Guts gay for Griffith?

Probably not, but Griffith might have been gay for Guts.

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I thought Griffith was gay for Guts?

No, but the opposite is true
Guts was swordsexual before leaving the Hawks, then fell for Casca when he was back
Meanwhile Griffith wanted his D since the very first chapters when kid Guts killed Bazuzo or whatever

>Implying Miura drew this

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Nope, Guts is only interested in Caska's brown tomboy pussy.

Then who did? Kubo?

It depends, are there backgrounds?

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Yes but they were all added digitally and not drawn.

>We really need some more info on them, since understanding why they became apostles might shed some interesting insight into the nature of the godhand and apostles
There's the novel about Grunbeld, but that's it. I mostly just want Irvine's story because his apostlehood is so monkish
Who do you sacrifice for your desire to be a huntsman loner? Maybe his personality advanced after becoming an apostle, but idk if that technically possible.

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Probably not, but there was that one part with Guts admitting that Griffith was the only person he wanted to be noticed by.

Love story for the ages

Irvine reminds me of Snufkin.

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Guts is totally GAY but I don't think he's gay.

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Post the edit

Berserk has been a wacky shoujo manga all along.
>Guts wants Griffith-senpai to notice him, but is too dense to realize that his senpai has already noticed him and is secretly in love with him
>Casca also wants Griffith-senpai to notice her, but gives up once she realizes she has no chance and switches to Guts
>MISUNDERSTANDINGS and drama ensues

>Berserk ends with Guts and Griffith together and moving to a different country to start a new life

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Are you suggesting the demons should have ignored delicious human flesh in front of them just because they weren't all branded? They don't need the brand as an excuse to kill.

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I hate this cunt

Go back to bed Apostle

Do what thou wilt shall be the full extent of the law

>Miura: I also like girls' manga, so I thought about changing my approach by taking from stories with sad and painful human relationships and emotions. (...) It was a good opportunity, so I thought I'd switch weapons and come at it from the angle of The Rose of Versailles (by Riyoko Ikeda) and Kaze to Ki no Uta (by Keiko Takemiya).
Wew.

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Why miura's new art style looks like cgi sometimes?

Nice but why

hehe, guts, griffith and casca will always be together

>when you LARP as a little boy just to get closer to your daddy-husbando

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stop making it seem like griffith is gay hes trying to get close to casca too

Wow the discussion here is extremely high quality. Yes it's one of my first berserk threads

I’m going to come out and say it FemtoxGuts is godtier

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not really, casca is just grinding on him like a thirty thot as usual

Kek

>saving guts at least twice
He saved Gutts during the battle with Doldrey
When was the other time?
Or do we count "not killing him" as "saving him"?

Alright so the people that say that miura's art style has become too moe really need to go back and read the chapters where the world tree is created, because at this moment guts and the crew were still on the boat, but at this moment that massive astral realm wave went across the whole planet and opened it all up too this fantasy type of utopia which in turn I think this why many of the characters and settings since then look very kiddish and light hearted but if you look at these slides from the end of chapter 355 it pretty much proves that his art style hasn't changed at all.

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>picking the one good drawing in forever

And it' not even that good, he jut drew an anatomical model.

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With the emperor when Guts rode him

Also this page here if you like at guts, his design looks exactly like he used too with much darker shading while casca looks all fairy like and light hearted

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guts never took responsibility for what happened to griffith

>and its not even that good
Holy shit okay lad can you draw better than that kek

I can draw as good. So can you. A long as you're not retarded you can't fuck up still-life.

Stop posting low quality scans/translations.

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I guess my thinking is just that yes there are many scenes where the characters look way more different than they used too with very obvious stylistic changes, but if you look at these slides at least in my opinion its pretty god damn obvious miura is still drawing like he used too. Which makes me think that this all just part of the story

The armor looks different on them. Skull knight / dog

Ai, that's my guess as well as to why everything looks like it's out of a fairytale.
Brainlets the lot of those who think Miura lost his touch

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sure

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Yeah I'm sure we could all draw that good with 30+ years of experience in that field fucking kek

Guts dindu nuffin
This. What's wrong with you people?

Having this much faith in someone who no longer wants to draw the series they're known for is honestly very touching.

The truth of the matter is that artists who reach their peak and no longer have room to improve get swayed by industry trends.

Thank you me lad for getting it. Honestly I feel like if your actually a fan of Miura's work and berserk in general you shouldn't be so quick to judge this mans artistry skill and storytelling.

>Happy little rapes.
Saved.

Well shit wheres these high tier scans you speak of the new chapters

Except that his art now is far less ethereal than before fantasia.
Next theory?

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Newer chapters are excused. People are posting shitty GA pages.

How is that more ethereal?

Guts never forced him to fuck Charlotte

The flow is more whooshy and the line weight is lesser. Don't ask me to explain art
Current style isn't more fantastical or abstract, its less. They just have animu heads and moe eyes.

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You mean "count"
>One! One branded sacrifice!
>Two! Two branded sacrifice ha ha!
>Three! It makes three sacrifices to casualty!

Its actually a shame that Miura didn't continue the shoujo vibe to the Charlotte chapters

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>yfw you realize we're still waiting for Guts to take responsibility

griffith boys

>Current style isn't more fantastical
I think it is

Read the post that user replied too, because what you're posting right now is still before the world tree and astral realm explosion.

I miss Donovan-chan

M8 were talking about after the world tree eruption and while there on the boat and after, these slides are all before that.

Yes, the pages I posted are more ethereal brainlet. They're more dreamlike and astral. Currently everything has really thick outlines and looks very solid and tangible. Refuting your point about it being a deliberate change stylistically to the moe-ness. Because, while very moe, the new style does not seem any more fantasy-esque, it seems less.

IoE is the cause of causality, right? And IoE post-dates mankind, so doesn't this mean causality isn't some immutable law?
Why then does the godhand act like it is?

It's been a week. Where are the high quality scans? Hell, where are the digital rips?

Okay you cunt was just trying to point out that what I posted earlier was specifically talking about the stylistic changes after the astral realm explosion. Which is where it most notably changes. This is where everything became more fairy fantasy like vs a more grim dark fantasy. The pages you posted are still from the millennium falcon arc which the art style didn't even really change from the earlier arcs.

>Okay you cunt was just trying to point out that what I posted earlier was specifically talking about the stylistic changes after the astral realm explosion. Which is where it most notably changes.
That's when he started taking massive breaks

Yes and no. The IoE weaves human destinies based on humanity's unconscious collective will. It's bound by the collective unconscious, so you could argue that it's part of the causality as well.

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Yeah I know which sucks, but people saying that his art style sucks and that it's gone downhill now I just don't get it. Specifically because the art style really becomes that kiddish fantasy/ moe-shit once they reach the fairy island which hmmmmm kinda makes since, but just to prove that its part of the story. Miura then shows all inside casca's mind and those couple of chapters are fairly new which all of that is very much so his original style.

It obvious that Miura is using two different art styles to show contrast. Hopefully we can see whats to come sooner rather than later kek

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That's not how it looks. You're posting bad scans.

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youtube.com/watch?v=KJK-dcTa_rg
CASUALITY

I prefer his Femto form, he doesn't use it enough.

Does that form not exist anymore? What if someone summons the God Hand?

People are flocking to the capital but didn't the opposite happen in this chapter? ffs even the administrators of Griffith's government are against heavily taxing the citizens because muh budget.

Griffith didn't order it, but he was aware Locus asked Rakshas to punish Rickert. It's hard to tell whether Griffith wanted it to succeed or not. He was interested enough in the outcome to passively watch from afar as Rickert skipped town with Daiba, Silat and the lumpies. He didn't look upset, nor happy.

They were marked but not collected. Meanwhile, Griffith has basically collected most of the sacrifices with 99% of the old BotH.

He goes Femto when fighting Big Ganishka, it seems to be the equivalent of an apostle form.

Wher pp?

On the one hand, Griffith's idea appears to be expansion of the capital via massive public works projects, connected to service = citizenship and privileges in the upper class districts, and a staggeringly generous social safety net that encourages allegiance to the state over competition.

On the other hand, while that sounds like a taxation bread line nightmare, he's not only talking about using taxes to fund it, but also spoils of conquest. Which, considering how fucked everything is, ain't gonna be drying up any time soon. Since the guy is a deity he can actually back up the big talk of constantly winning conflicts, annexing territory and controlling resources for a steady flow of capital to fund his ventures. The only way he'll stop constantly winning is if he runs into an existence that rivals his own.

>The only way he'll stop constantly winning is if he runs into an existence that rivals his own.
And my problem is how is he going to convince his peace loving soldiers that the witches from Elfhelm are evil and should be invaded? I just think the world tree is a setup to have a way for Falconia to invade the rest of the world in their conquest but even through they have worked with the demonic, I can't imagine the humans approving a massacre on Elfhelm residents because despite deifying Griffith it's hard to justify such a war. With Kushan they gave them a second chance and everyone else they have fought up to this point were dim fantasy creatures like trolls and giants.

>And my problem is how is he going to convince his peace loving soldiers that the witches from Elfhelm are evil and should be invaded?
>Witches
Are you serious? He convinced Grunbeld to murder an old woman that lives in the woods.

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>imagine the humans approving a massacre on Elfhelm residents

>And my problem is how is he going to convince his peace loving soldiers that the witches from Elfhelm are evil and should be invaded?
>How is he going to convince deeply religious people that witches are evil.
>How is the hawk of light going to convince the religious people he has saved and provides for that those hexing fucks are evil.
Come on user.

Every single soldier under Griffith's command is like Mozgus' followers times 1000.

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>my problem is how is he going to convince his peace loving soldiers that the witches from Elfhelm are evil and should be invaded
Tell them. Don't forget: These peace loving people are terrified and confused by this new world. They'll take God's word for it. Chapter heavily emphasized that Griffith is seen as the messiah due to the power of reverie. God's

Also you saw how anti-heresy the council was. And Griffith would likely send the War Demons as an advance force, and they don't care about fair and nice. Lastly, Griffith is talking about uniting the mainland under Falconia right now. Invading Elfhelm doesn't appear to be on the docket.

Three words

Blind white sheep

>peace loving soldiers
what about all the demons under his command? or are they peace loving now too?

Why are we even talking about an invasion of Elfhelm when the discussion was about mainland conquest?

"Do as you will" suggests Femto isn't part of the standard God Hand and doesn't share its "job duties" in a sense.

My Medicom Real Action Heroes Golden Age Guts just arrived. AND I FUCKING BROKE OFF THE HELMET CLASP PIN TRYING TO GET THE DAMN THING ON FUCK

>"Do as you will" suggests Femto isn't part of the standard God Hand
How so?

If he's explicitly said to be free to do whatever he wants and exists to realize the collective will/desire of humanity, it's obvious that he's very different from the rest of the God Hand. You don't pull a genetic engineering project lasting millenia only to let the result waste his time on explaining the Behelit Terms & Conditions to random apostles.

>it's obvious that he's very different from the rest of the God Hand
He's not though, his desires are just more existential.

I thought all the other members went through the same thing.

He's the thumb, and Void is the pointer finger, and the rest are the rest. They exist to put the squeeze on humanity, Void and the others by attacking with Apostles, Femto by giving them hope and then crushing it.

>it's obvious
Not to me. Nice theory, not necessarily untrue, but we don't know enough about the other Godhand to even begin to confirm that. What their ceremonies were, what was stated, no specifics at all. Just vague hinting about one in particular which we have strong reason to believe was Void. And again, no specifics to confirm what exactly their mandate was.

Femto's presence during the activation of the Count's behelit, as well as Nobody's, would also suggest he's just as obligated to oversee the creation of apostles and hear the wishes of mankind as Conrad or Slann are. We've never seen any of them blow off a ceremony.

But maybe obligation is the wrong word to begin with. It doesn't appear any of them are forced to be there, it seems that it's in the nature of Godhand members to want to participate in those duties as the Guardian Angels of Desire.

And as far as "Do as thou will" is concerned, what would you say about Slann's forcible advent just to pester Guts? No, I don't think Femto is unique in being able to handle things the way he pleases. What makes him unique among members of the Godhand is that he is the fifth, and thus his emergence either causes or coincides the overlap of the physical and astral planes, thereby freeing the Godhand from the confines of the abyss and allowing them unfettered access to the world. As per Slann's direct statement to Skull Knight in volume 25(?)

To be precise, all apostles seem to be free to act as they please; the difference is that most of them aren't interested in reforming society or whatever. Apostles are basically humans stripped of their behavioral chains.

To add to this, we haven't been given much reason to believe members of the Godhand don't work like super mega apostles in a sense. Made to sacrifice that which is most dear, empowered and stripped of empathy, and encouraged to pursue their desires whatever those may be. That's how apostles work, and so far that describes Femto's behavior too.

The major differences are their role in creating more apostles, their Godlike power, and their unique restriction as enormous astral entities (or however SK puts it in volume 18ish). Slann said that when Godhand aren't summoned they just muck about "melted into their preferred sephira, floating formless", in essence following their whims as she was at the time.

They'd be with Guts if they weren't dead, therefore they had to die (at least that's my theory)

HIGH IQ NIGGAS

>their Godlike power
They're kinda fucking weak when you go back and look at everything in perspective. Griffith and Slan have telekinesis (that can be overpowered by base black swordsman), Void has a portal gun.

Griffith beat Zodd in a dream. He was already a talented swordsman as a human too, capable of injuring Zodd, he just didn't have the physical strength to back it up. Every other thing he does is because causality is providing him plot armor, not things he's actively doing (arrows missing, win randomly appearing). Its like he's playing a vidya on story mode.

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SK knight's retard moments
>Waiting until right after the creampie to break into the eclipse
>Not finishing off Zodd
>Not enlisting Guts' help
>Not telling Guts about how to fix Casca immediately after the eclipse
>Not taking Guts' behelit for his behelit sword
>Making the behelit sword

I'm willing to concede he couldn't kill Griffith during Golden age because he can probably only physically manifest at junctions of causality (which doesn't explain how he appeared the first time int the forest, at the beach, or when they met Flora).
Honestly the only theory that doesn't leave him being poorly written is my own where he's actually existing outside time and the versions we've seen of him have all been at greatly different points in his lifespan.

Until Griffith said, I sacrifice them, his destiny was not fulfilled and he was innocent, in my opinion Griffith could have said no.
for the rest, SK was fighting Zod, as soon as he beat him he entered in to the eclipse, he could not finish zod because he would not have done in time, same thing in the end, the other apostles were going to come out, for not having told Guts on how to cure Casca, he didn't care, after meeting Flora, maybe she asked him to help them out of friendship

>Until Griffith said, I sacrifice them, his destiny was not fulfilled and he was innocent, in my opinion Griffith could have said no.
Lawful good is the
>the other apostles were going to come out
Don't you think SK ohk all those jobber level apostles anyways?
>beats Zodd - jumps into the eclipse = 1 second
>beats Zodd, decapitates - jumps into eclipse = 1.5 seconds
Come on
>after meeting Flora, maybe she asked him to help them out of friendship
SK was the one who asked Flora to help them

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is the worst*

Why do Pagans and the Holy See worship the same exact thing ?

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This is the funniest page in the manga.

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So when's the episode when Schierke magics herself onto Guts' d? Seems like Miura keeps toying with the idea

So this implies that he's gonna go chase after Griffith

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But this implies he's done with the armor after fixing Casca
Would Guts really be stupid enough to go after Griffith without the armor?

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SK it's a Jobber , the end

But that's not a pagan. the FuckerGoat was.

He wants to give Griffith up but he can't get over it. Casca and her reaction to everything will play a major part in what he will do next

all the fans who have been complaining since he took the armor now
noooo, how does Guts fight without armor against Griffith?
kek

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so where is it supported that the berserker armor self repairs? also WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE DWARVES?

Well, we know it can shapeshift. Is it such a leap from there to imagine it forcing itself back into shape after taking damage?

Look at these two absolute Pals. I can't wait to see what kind of adventures they go on together.

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>Ywn read a buddy buddy manga about Guts and Griffith wacky adventures.

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Would it be good for a first timer to start with golden age and then black swordsman?

I don't see any reason not to since chronologically is the correct order (also the flower elf), but you're gonna see a big fall on the drawing quality once you finish the golden age and start black swordsman.

Reminder that Guts is a murderer that has killed the children of Midland's nobles, hence will never be accepted by Falconia.
Black Swordsman is kinda worthless.

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Can someone please explain what the fuck is going on in this manga? I skipped the black swordsman, conviction, golden age, boat, falcon, and fantasia arcs as per your recommendations so I thought I was ready to participate in these threads but I just don't get ANY of the memes

Farnese is the most boring character now, she's like a useless mix between Schierke and Casca.

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Nice bait.

I want to see Guts try to reject sex like a protagonist is supposed to, without it being comedic foil or possession.

I just started and I'm simply reading it in order

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God I can't stand 24/7 chestnut Puck
Give me back my cute twink Puck

Read it in order.

>Black Swordsman is kinda worthless.
That's some next level shit taste you've got.

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>That's some next level shit taste you've got.
It's pretty much filler. There is 0 development.

No that would be stupid, why wouldn't you read things in order? Is this what capeshit does to people's brains?

No desu. If you wanna read it just do it in order. Reading them in the order they were written is the only way to go. Anyone who tells you otherwise, or tells you to skip anything, is a retard or a speedreader.

Maybe on your second readthough.
Otherwise you start from 1.

You're also supposed to skip reading the threads as well and just rabidly shitpost

Partisan taste. Moth lolis are the only thing worth reading about

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>Partisan
Also, moth loli is part of conviction

>skipping black swordsman

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>first arc
>pretty much filler
are you retarded?

>Black Swordsman is kinda worthless.
I didn't know shit taste this bad was possible

You are either the god emperor of speedreader kind or an utter retard. Black swordsman introduces
>notion that one can refuse apostleship
>gut's edgelord phase in response to the eclipse
>how guts doesn't like being an edgelord, one of the best scenes in the entire manga IMO, and utterly defines how it's going to be different from "edgelord goes around and kills monsters #1001"
>his hatred for griffith
>how said hatred makes him do seemingly impossible fates
>how hell works
There's a ton of important info in black swordsman without which the entire manga utterly changes

The count arc is almost non-canon the characterizations are so bad. Everything we learn there is learned elsewhere in the manga. The second half of Black Swordsman is just more filler where nothing happens but shounenshit before Conviction begins.

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>>notion that one can refuse apostleship
Already implied
>>gut's edgelord phase in response to the eclipse
Already shown when he encounters the Holy Iron Chain Knights
>>how guts doesn't like being an edgelord, one of the best scenes in the entire manga IMO, and utterly defines how it's going to be different from "edgelord goes around and kills monsters #1001"
Stated about 1 billion other times through the course of the manga, but not spoonfed like in Count story
>>his hatred for griffith
hur dur eclipse
>>how said hatred makes him do seemingly impossible fates
durrrr already happens in eclipse
>>how hell works
Not really important whatsoever for the average reader. And Wyald already defines it, in less spoonfeedy ways.

>The count arc is almost non-canon the characterizations are so bad.
What the fuck are you on about? Gut's characterization is highly important in that part notably because it's not in line with other arcs, it shows how he dealt with the eclipse for the 2 years or so after. And femto is 100% in line with how we see him elsewhere, unless your retarded and fell for "Griffith really is a good guy wanting to save the world"
>The second half of Black Swordsman is just more filler where nothing happens but shounenshit before Conviction begins.
Are you fucking retarded? The count is the second half of black swordsman, it goes black swordsman, golden age, then conviction

>Gut's characterization is highly important in that part notably because it's not in line with other arcs, it shows how he dealt with the eclipse for the 2 years or so after. And femto is 100% in line with how we see him elsewhere, unless your retarded and fell for "Griffith really is a good guy wanting to save the world"

If you don't think its anything other than Miura writing that shit in middle school without figuring out what he wanted to do yet, you're literally as delusional in your hero worship as the sheep that follow Griffith.

>Already implied
Where the fuck are we shown anyone else refusing apostleship retard, or a thread of fate being severed? I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your retarded post if you don't understand how those two things are vastly important, and how them being shown rather than implied utterly changes everything about berserk

Stop feeding this dumb ass troll

Griffith is asked to make a C H O I C E
> how them being shown rather than implied utterly changes everything about berserk
it really doesn't for anyone besides absolute autists like you. It feels like I'm arguing with a Narutofag trying to explain to me why knowing the Sharigan's mechanics are integral to understanding the manga.

This. The scene where Guts hesitates when he sees the girl he just met was possessed is so out of character it makes me sick, real Guts wouldn't hesitate to kill a girl.

>being so much of a brainlet you don't even know how Sharingan works
Oh boy that gets a yikes from me dawg.

That's a major plot point in Lost Children chapter, retard. I know you're just shitposting, but I say this in case anyone who doesn't know better reads the thread.

Lost Children? You mean "anime filler: the arc"?

Pacing would've been really bad if they just went straight from eclipse to Tower of Conviction

Honestly Black Swordsmen detracts from the whole thing as a work of fiction. Imagine how much more satisfying it would have been if you thought you were reading a historical manga with just a little bit of supernatural elements and then BANG eclipse happens.

>Tower of Conviction
You mean "Christianity is bad, amirite folks?" the arc? Fuck off with your edgy shit
Berserk is only good when it's trying to be Game of Thrones.

If I was reading a historical manga and BANG DEMONS LOL I'd drop it on the spot. Fantasy is its own genre.

>GoT-like shit
>ever good
Fact is berserk was, is and always shall be shit

Well aren't you a fragile little snowflake. I mean Zodd appears pretty early, so it wouldn't be entirely unexpected.

Did you just forget Zodd happened really early on in GA?

If I was writing Berserk from scratch I'd include the boyhood days chapters right before Bazuso to set the stage for supernatural elements. I'd probably start the manga with the final Guts Griffith confrontation like Zetman does, but that's all I'd give the reader.

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>historical manga with just a little bit of supernatural elements
>supernatural elements
Read better.

It's like you're competing for the title of shittest shit taste on Yea Forums, and I bet the reward is a big bag of succulent dicks. At this point I pity the anons gullible enough to humor you.

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>Griffith really is a good guy wanting to save the world
He's not? He isn't?!

>giant demon who appears consistently throughout the arc is a "little bit"
Ok retard

He's not doing anything malicious, he's only following his desire to create an empire.
Void is the one plotting evil, so sayith Miura.

>use the word little
>think I mean size
Jeez its like you're retarded or something.

>t. Falconian peasant

There's a prophecy that states he's a false messiah, but for the time being he's acting pretty legit. Even the god damned apostles think he's the Christ.

Just for fun, I think I'll post best chapter.

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She just thinks he's encouraging her, like "Put your gut into it!"

God damn it Erica is way too cute holy shit

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>There's a prophecy that states he's a false messiah
yfw Guts is the actual Hawk of Darkness and Griffith is truly the Hawk of Light.

Smash the Puck

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This page is amazing.

Then the blind white sheep would be...Isidro?

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Guts became a lot scarier between the time he left and when he returned. A nice throwback to where he was as a character during Lost Children chapter and Black Swordsman arc

Meanwhile, Rickert is becoming slightly manly to impress the loli.

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>You look a lot stronger.
He still looks like a girl though.

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Did you miss the word consistently? Even as single fantasy element appearing consistently can no longer be considered "little"
Also, apostles and co. play major roles through almost 50% of golden age, so your still wrong
>but it's all leading up to the eclipse
Means nothing, still nearly the majority of the arc

Why did Miura start drawing everyone with luscious dsl? I don't hate the new art style as much as some do, but that's the one part I find distracting.

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He looks like Jill

He just draws what he likes. It's what being an artist is all about.

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I wonder who'd win in a fight now between Isidro and Rickert. I'm leaning toward Isidro especially with how quickly he's started leveling up since Vritannis, but it might depend on if Rickert gets gadgets and shit too.

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Golden age is clearly set in a terrestrial setting, hence supernatural elements are just those, elements. Zodd appears for a couple chapter, Wyald a few more. Not even close to 50%.

I at least think Isidro is a better swordsman. Rickert never seemed much for the sword, even during his mercenary days.

You tell 'im Erica.

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Zodd fight is 4 arcs, and Wyald is part of the lead up to the eclipse, where apostles play a major role. which begins around chapter 48, GA at at 95. In total, that's 49 out of 102 chapters where fantasy elements play a major role. That's in no way just a little bit of fantasy

I'm more convinced that the Moonlight Child is just the mirror of the Demon Child, when viewed from Casca's perspective.

*GA ends at 95

This chapter is a major turning point in Guts' character development and it's done so perfectly. But this conversation wouldn't mean as much without Guts' descent during Black Swordsman and his nearly hitting rock bottom during Lost Children. Which is a MAJOR part of Guts' character, as without that the beast of darkness within him doesn't make as much sense either.

People that only want to read this for Golden Age alone really are missing out on a great story, since they aren't really recognizing Berserk for what it is. It probably would have been best if they'd never been lured in by that shit anime to begin with.

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Guts has he cucked behelit

Miura had no real story plans yet when he was writing the BS arc, which is why the characterization and style are kind of shaky there. He only figured out what he wanted to do towards the end of it.

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>Miura had no real story plans yet when he was writing the BS arc
t. hasn't read prototype

If this meme were a person, I think I'd be willing to do prison time for the honor of murdering it. Black Swordsman fits into the rest of the story just fine. The current state of things would make far less sense without that as the introduction to the characters and world, and a major part of Guts' journey.

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Another fun thing; if you have a passable attention span you'll notice that his path during Black Swordsman is a darker mirror for where he was after murdering Gambino. Just like in this chapter, he was doing nothing but swinging his sword and gambling his life in the most reckless way possible in order to bury his broken heart. Which is why Griffith took an interest in him at all. It's a neat parallel.

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azor griffith

Love the last panel here. Guts never has many friends, so the few he does manage to make are usually pretty special.

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>Miura: Yes. At first I envisioned Guts as a hero who can get angry. Like Max in Mad Max or Kenshiro in Fist of the North Star. I focused on how to make him angry, how to make him get revenge, and how to effectively display his appearance and gimmicks, and what resulted after that struggle was the original Black Swordsman. At that point, there was no Band of the Falcon or anything [laughs].
Go argue with Miura about it. He integrated the BS arc very well and built on it, but he genuinely had no long-term story plans at the beginning.

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The final resting place of the Band of the Hawk.

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Azor Rickert!!

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>He integrated the BS arc very well and built on it
This is what matters to me, and why I can't imagine the series without it. So I don't see why I'd argue with someone I agree with.

Instead I'd ask him about those dick sucking lips he draws now. It was fine when it was just Griffith, but Guts having them distracts me.

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>Azor
Some sort of inside joke?

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There's a difference between not fully fleshing out story plans and details and having no plans whatsoever.
Even in that interview he admits he had some plans figured out, and you can see in prototype many of the elements that still define berserk and guts, and many of the major story elements, like guts being a sacrifice, hating apostles/demons and wanting to hunt them down, and in particular being after the person who sacrificed him
Just because he hadn't nailed down all the details doesn't mean he had "no real story plans"

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And even if he was still working out the details, to diminish the importance of Black Swordsman to the rest of the story because of that is the utmost height of inanity.

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It’s a stupid crossboard meme from a shitty tv show.

Cannot unsee.

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Aha, thanks. I figured it was something like that. So long as they're having a good time with it. Better than trolling anyway.

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Nursed his hate and fear so much it's about to take on a life on its own. Cool plot point, shame I may never get to see it play out entirely.

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No evil spirits can enter this cave. None.

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Good old Judeau and Corkus.

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man, what an incredible panel

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Guts realizes himself why he never went completely off the deep end (with help from Puck)

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Miurais writing fels like in attempt to make us forget that Griffith is still a demon. I like this chapter, because it shows a practical display of how he would have ran Midland if he got his kingdom without having to need to turn into a demon god.

And with that Guts turns off the bloody path of rage and destruction and finds a reason to live, instead of furiously searching for somewhere to die.

End of my favorite chapters.

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Is Guts actually a crazy person? Like is he insane?

He lives in a society

Define crazy.
As in mental illness, he almost undoutably has PTSD.
As in disconnected from the real world and the facts of it? No, he arguably is more connected with the facts than 99.99% of people

I like how the moment she became unpotato'd she immediately referred to her auto-life as Elaine's life.

He's developed some type of dissociative identity disorder that's gotten worse since he stopped chasing Griffith. It may or may not itself be the result of all the time he's spent in the interstice where the lines between thought and substance blur, but all that time in the interstice combined with donning the Berserker armor has definitely exacerbated the problem. But he has it under control for now.

So to answer your question: Kinda. I definitely wouldn't call him the most mentally stable MC in manga.

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Moth loli supposedly made her sacrifice in the forest and her parents disappeared from the village if i remember correctly

I agree he's not totally out of his head cuckoo but he's got severe mental problems. On top of just PTSD, and likely with that as a root cause.

Remember that time he fantasized about brutally raping and murdering his girlfriend, urged on by voices in his head? See, I feel like if I did that and admitted it, a shrink would start working on several diagnoses real quick.

Rosine's folks were definitely sacrificed deep in the Misty Valley. We see where it happens. I don't recall where it's suggested that it happened inside the village, but what really happened is Rosine ran away, and her parents disappeared when they went to drag her wild little ass back home.

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If true those niggas should hurry the fuck up , chinese sweatshop the motherfuckers

>the sacrifice isn't paid untill much later
He became a behelit, the Albion sacrifice was a separate one from when he sacrificed himself

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As , and told us 20 years ago, it doesn't matter what Griffith is; what matters is that incredible things happen with him around.
>Interviewer: On the Griffith route, he starts to look like the protagonist.

>Miura: I depict Griffith as a character who hardly ever talks about his own mental state, but gathering characters around him who express their feelings has the converse effect of elevating Griffith himself. Also, manga characters tend to be judged as enemies or allies – good or evil – but I'm trying not to create Berserk using such a value system. Griffith is Griffith, and he seems appealing, but maybe from his side Guts looks like the villain. And there are probably those who find the world Griffith creates to be more to their convenience. From there it's a question of what's going to happen with this setting called Fantasia [laugh].

I felt bad for Sonia in this chapter. She's knows griffith and princess are fucking every night.

Right, right. Nobody branded himself and became the catalyst for the incarnation ceremony. Then it kicked into high gear when Guts and Casca got there. So he did pay something up front, and was then used by the Godhand up until he died.
And Egg Apostle was pretty powerful. His behelit themed power to spawn pseudos that are as strong as full fledged apostles made him unique and dangerous.

Probably went to go ride her horse so she could feel something down there.