Thoughts on the Nausicaa manga?

Thoughts on the Nausicaa manga?

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Much better then the movie the movie is more like the first quarter or so of the manga at most. Theres alot more politicking and the like the manga with travel and intrigue and shit. I liked it even if it wasnt perfect I particularly didnt like that all the info from the old world including art and tech like medicine is bad or some shit. Fuck Nausicaa gets like super cancer from the monster and fucking gets cured by said medicine.

Weird. Feels like the whole thing about her breeding with bugs was tacked on for fanservice. Nice that it was all colorized though.

Reminder that Nausicaa did nothing wrong by killing all those new world incubated humans

I thought I read it but the way Yea Forums talks I must not have been paying attention.

It was an entertaining and complex work of science fiction literature. Probably on par with Dune.

The film is more of a conventional Miyazaki movie, and one of the two genuinely edgier/darker Miyazaki flicks (the other being Princess Mononoke)

It's not that it was bad, it was the idea that because the society that created it lead to the 7 days of fire it would be best to destroy it all and let nature rule. Nausicaa's ideology is anti-human. The fact she gets poisoned by Ohma and uses the technology of his time to cure herself is fine because she wouldn't have been poisoned if it wasn't for that technology in the first place.
She did exactly what they did in the end. Using a God Warrior to end a civilization for her agenda. Her reasoning being different than theirs is what makes her interesting as a character and what causes the plot to be so compelling.

Thats very cruel selfish and shortsighted of her. I get it of course but that doesnt mean I agree with it. She of course has a not nuclear weapon so who am I to argue. God what is with japs and loving walking not nukes. We get it we nuked you get over it.

Her rage is equal to her empathy, her solution to the problem is a passionate one. I wouldn't call it cruel or selfish. Shortsighted it is, she admits that. Even as she has her son crush the remnants of the past in his hand she states she has no way of knowing if this is the right thing, or that it won't end up killing everyone she loves. She trusts in the jungle above all else and so truly is ok with idea she and everyone else could die and thinks that is what is right and best. She comes to that conclusion having seen others solutions fail or turn out badly.

The God Warriors are a lot worse than nukes and i've always felt they are more about the ideology of wanting a weapon like that in the first place as opposed to the weapon itself. They are the characterized cruelty and sadism of a person that would want to see millions die for their own morals or ideals.
Japans obsession with nuclear war is justified and really I don't think they are more interested in it than the USA is. Both countries use the bomb in many different mediums.

You can still be cruel with good intentions and I would still call it selfish in that she took the future of humanity into her own hands to fit her goals. The end does not justify the means even worse in that the ends she has brought could be much worse then had she accepted the tech. To hold anything above humanity itself is insane in my mind yes I get that we are talking about her but lets be real in real life do you really agree with people saying that humanity should just die out to save the planet? And yes the god warriors are of course worse then nukes but it is their closest real life parrell and its pretty clear they are based largly on them they cause cancer and they caused the7 days of fire. I still think they are cool of course. I still think its a good story but honestly I emphatised more with the one armed princess lady way way more then nausicaa. Nausicaa felt more life a force of nature then a human and she also seemed over controled by her emotions which I didnt enjoy. Still a good story.

She doesn't see it as worse. It's a human bias thing entirely. My mind says what is natural is what is right, if we die out some day for the sake of the planet there's nothing wrong with that. My heart says I would fight till my last breath to stay alive though. Nausicaa's allegiance isn't with herself it is with the jungle, so she has no human bias. You saying she doesn't seem human is accurate and I agree, when Yupa compares her to the Ohmu it's completely on point. She has the same monstrous rage, incredible empathy, and allegiance as the bugs of the jungle.

Kushana is a great character yeah, and one of the biggest things the anime gets so damn wrong. She is such a great perspective and her arc is probably my favorite in the story.

It was pretty good. One of the better manga I've come across, but something was missing. Can't quite say what.
>Probably on par with Dune.
No.

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Not him but I prefer it to Dune. It says all it needs to without indulging itself, not sure what you could feel is missing.

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>I prefer it to Dune
That may be, but that doesn't mean Nausicaa is on par with it in terms of complexity or worldbuilding, among other things. I don't even like Dune all that much.
>not sure what you could feel is missing
I was planning to reread it soon. I'll do a proper analysis this time, because not knowing is bothering me too. All I know is it has to do with the writing/creative decisions (form), not with any of the content.

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Certainly it is not as complex in story but in design? I think it matches up. Dune takes place over a large span of time, comparing them in that way is pointless but in other aspects both sci-fi stories are on par.
>creative desiscions
I'd be interested in that crit. I think the manga is close to perfect beyond some odd pacing involving the princes and an odd first act climax.

I like Nausicaa more. Plus it has pretty art.

Asbel was kind of a letdown

Miyazaki is a hack, but his design work is divine, no doubt.

crap, even worse than the movie

Go on.

>Thoughts on the Nausicaa manga?

Fantastic, amazing, simply spectacular, I consider it Miyazaki's magnus opus and I don't think he's made anything better than it and it pains me that more people haven't read it.

It's also always feels so utterly bizzare to compare, contrast, and think about Miyazaki's old work when his new work and even entire 'image' has been defined by this watered down, children's-film, aesthetic and narrative. I LIKE his movies, but I just liked the atmosphere, personality, and themes of his more mature films.
What happened to him?

>what happened to him
He thought he could water down his ideology and morals then feed it to the Japanese youth so they would grow up to love nature and see things how he did but ended up creating several generations of people so enamored with his worlds they lost all interest in nature. He helped create the otaku culture he hates so much and now lives as a bitter old man blaming others for his own mistakes.

The part where she had to get impregnated by her mutant son were a little bit too spicy for me to handle so I had to drop
Forest exploration scenes were glorious tho

It's like reading boring history textbooks, plus so pretentious as Evangelion.
waste of time

You wanna expound on that a little bud?

>pains me that more people haven't read it.
because the movie is easier to get access to and in (inset your language here)

stop spreading falsehoods

Isn't the Wind Rises kind of an indictment of how he chased his ideal for the wrong reasons with disastrous results? I think he blames himself.

Why was the last volume or 2 so bad bros?

>people bad plants good
I'm glad they finally got this story right with Mononoke. Naussicca's good and all but compared to Hime it's a bit less poignant

Did you even read the manga?