Why do people in Cowboy Bebop use 20th century weaponry in an era of spaceships and hyperspace travel?

You do realize that on a significant technological level firearms haven't really advanced in well over a 100 years right? I mean we've learned that semi-auto/select fire rifles are best in an intermediate caliber for infantry. But any modern assault rifle today could be produced by any big firearms company in the 1890's if you gave them the blueprints. For example nearly every modern pistol today uses a browning short recoil action and that was widely in use by 1903.

The only real changes in even the past 70 years have just been in ergonomics, doctrine and optics. The only big game changers were smokeless powder and the box magazine were invented (late 1890's). Machine guns were widely available soon after.

So, we will still be using these same basic principles for the foreseeable future. Its not unrealistic to think that a pistol made today will not be much different on a basic level than one made 200 years from now. Dont expect laser guns anytime soon.

because the show's just a detective noir pulp show.

but with a spaceship paintjob because that's what was cool at the time, so people would actually watch it.

why west loved it so much, since they were so familiar with it.

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Basically, it just fucking works. There aren't a lot of cost-efficient ways to kill people from a distance.

Plus, the whole idea of Star Wars style "laser guns" just doesn't make scientific sense anyway. It's a Hollywood trope by writers who don't understand what "lasers" or electromagnetic waves even are.

>hurr durr why do people use 108 year old handgun in an era of super heavy-lift launch vehicles capable of retropropulsive landing

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For the same reason they used wired headphones in StarWars.

No, that was just bad writing.

That's because they didn't imagine wireless headphones at the time. And needed to communicate to the viewer how the headphones worked.

Meanwhile someone watching weebshit would easily understand a laser pistol or the creator could have imagined it.

By your logic they'd be using conventional weapons instead of blasters.

As someone who works in the weapons industry, you could not be any more wrong.

To me, the most baffling thing about the show was the moon that has NO WOMEN. Like seriously? None at all? Even though there are huge cities and people with jobs? Even if for some reason only single adult men wanted to live there, prostitutes would notice the demand and move there (or the mafia would notice the demand and force them to move there).

Storm Troopers use wireless communications in their helmets.

speed watcher

shh he's a wikipedia expert.

>doesnt mention polymer/plastic at all
>doesnt mention changes in manufacturing techniques

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Must be hard to be dumb AND blind.

because galaxy far away was actually hell?

What did I miss? Are you talking about the tranny?

The Moon? Do you mean Jupiter's moon, Callisto? That place was basically dead.

They also still wear 20th century fashion.

>says ur wrong
>impies hes an authroity
>doesnt give correction

I wish we can ban people like this *winks at mods*

>Crying for the hotpockets
That may be the single most pathetic thing I've seen this month.

Thanks for reminding me that I'll never see the rest of this manga being translated.

>Return of the Sheep Herder never ever

My condolences for your ignorance. You apparently don't know what an NDA is. You could however, educate yourself, move out of your mom's basement, and work in the weapons industry like a lot of us.

honestly, unless there is some sort of personal shield technology that negates bullets in infantry combat, would there be any real reason to use complicated and expensive energy weapons when there is already a cheaper, more efficient, reliable, proven way of killing people that dont like you?

Spot on. Unless tech like that exists, no point in reinventing the wheel for side arms.

I thought modern body armor vests are more than capable of stopping even a higher caliber (7.62) bullets? You'll get knocked down due to the shock but you'll live.

>1960's scifi
>shields are so OP they make any form of ranged attack useless
>if you hit a shield with a laser it triggers a nuclear explosion
>shields need to let slow moving things through, so the user doesn't suffocate
>thus close ranged melee combat becomes the norm again

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Honestly, personal shields capable of a hugeass nuclear explosion seemed only as a convenient plot device to explain the re-emergence of hand-to-hand combat.

> a nuclear explosion
I'm pretty sure it was 2, one on the attacker AND defender. But what if you used an amazon drone with a laser pointer?

Fags will end up killing muh waifu with that lack of trigger discipline

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What reason would there be for there to be futuristic guns? What would Cowboy Bebop's technology do for firearms that firearms can't already do? The answer is pretty much nothing. Cowboy Bebop's level of technology hasn't advanced to the point where a futuristic gun would be a trivial thing. They're in an early space era with simple solar system colonization, they're not at star wars/star trek levels of tech. At best there are probably hobbyists in Cowboy bebop who have futuristic weaponry, or maybe some really advanced military tech, but that's it. Not to mention most of the people you meet in Cowboy Bebop are poor, and the most advanced and dangerous anti-personnel technology introduced in the show is an autistic flying clown man.

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>Implying an NDA stops you talking about advances in gun production from the 1890s.
What does your NDA cover? The Maxim machine gun?

When do we get that thing that's basically a box with a handle that you point at people and it emits some fucked up signal that shuts down people's brains and kills them instantly and you can't even take cover because it's powerful enough to go through walls and furniture and shit.

JUST

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I mean why pay a million dollars to shoot lasers at people when you could spend a few hundred to shoot metal rocks instead.

If you think about it. Guns are just updated sling shots. Even a fucking railgun is essentially the same thing.

i always cry at this episode and when ed leaves

>and when ed leaves
that's so good indeed

I didn't ask for these feels.

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Spikes airship or space ship idk, had a fucking energy weapon cannon

Even lasers are just slingshots that are using photons for bullets.

It's also really big and probably too heavy to use. He has those small guns as well, if memory serves me right.

>Never watched Bebop until recently for the first time
>Already know how Spike's story ends due to gorillion BANG pictures I have seen on Yea Forums for the past 10 years so no surprises there.
>Pic. related comes and hits me like a truck

Truly a KINO episode.

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Has there ever been a more SSS-tier soundtrack than this show? I mean the entire OST, not just a couple of well-known tracks.

FLCL is certainly a contender, but almost cheating since the music isn't "original" to the anime.

It only makes sense if you don't know the first thing about how technology develops.

For example, knives were invented thousands of years ago, and we're still using mostly the same exact thing today. Why? Why haven't we reinvented the hammer either?

Because there are some things that just don't need any further development, and couldn't really develop any further without becoming fucked up. Firearms are the same kind of deal. Pistols have pretty much peaked.

That's Yoko Kanno for you. Hard to beat.

An NDA covering the evolution of firearms over a period of hundreds of years, shit that can easily be looked up on the goddamn internet?

I can't believe you expect people to actually believe such gay "My dad works at Nintendo." bullshit.

You do realize the Astral Gate incident most likely wiped out nearly 5 billion people right? If that many people die at once, don't be surprise if manufacturing technology regress back several centuries.

>goes to New York specifically to get the feel of a track right
She's crazy, in the good kind of way.

>NDA
>Yeah.. I'm in the army n stuff, but it's super secret, if I told you what I do, I'd have to kill you!

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What about it? What does that have to do with firearms?

The M2 Browning was created in 1933 and is still in use today.

People didn't think lasers were really going to catch on as quickly as they have.

Because guns work
I like sci-fi that use projectile weapons instead of muh lasers.

Becoming obsolete very quickly though. The last decade has seen lasers gone from toys and tools of health and science, to actual fucking weapons.

>Fuck off your cyber punk threads
>mechanical guns are not cyberpunk

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Because the Earth was wrecked, along with it a lot of R&D that could be used for developing new guns.

Not really, wires help conceal the transmission of what's communicated to the headphones.

Or maybe wireless tech is expensive as fuck to make, so the imperial forces cut costs?
Makes sense considering our army still uses ancient tech from early 20th century (like the U2).

because it's effective and probably cheap. If you were a gang member and you had to buy your own weapon to carry around, would you go with
A: cool laser weapon that costs 2 paychecks and isn't really that effective
or
B: cheap old SMG
bullets, whether fired from a $200 dollar, or $2,000 dollar gun, will still kill someone all the same.

>I didn't know the series would end so soon
>I thought ed was going to come back later on in the series
>mfw ed never came back

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>But any modern assault rifle today could be produced by any big firearms company in the 1890's if you gave them the blueprints.
So wrong it's retarded. Manufacturing miniaturised over time. The previous gen of capital creates the miniaturised next gen of capital.
Why do you think your computers develop and become smaller? Miniaturisation.

I could have said the same thing about microwave weapons and magnetrons in 1943 too when people were talking about "heat rays" since the 1800's. But here we are.

This desu. Wires can be shielded against the future of "everyone's a ham radio asshole" ECM warfare. If you're relying on wireless tech you're fucking dead kiddo.

>the whole idea of Star Wars style "laser guns" just doesn't make scientific sense anyway
Considering our armies literally have laser weapons, you're wrong.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SEQ-3_Laser_Weapon_System

It get's worse though. The newest threat to us is sonic weaponry. Tin foil tier that shit is.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

US embassies were worried they were targeted by this in the last few years. I'm not sure if that was mere hysteria.

I just don't get how there are still living people on Earth (not underground) when there are daily meteor showers.

Opposed to what?
Laser guns, plasma, sound?
And railguns is still a far way off.
And in the end, why do we need them when guns are still far too effective to consider something more exotic.

;_;

>M2 Browning
It was created in 1918, it was adopted for US military use in 1933

> I'm not sure if that was mere hysteria.
It kinda isn't. There are so many warcrimes to kill, maim, drug or silently cripple people and most of them remain pretty much undetectable. Of course embassies are still weak against the strongest weapon of all truckloads of bribe money

Its simple remember the 5 D's of dodging meteors: Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge

I don't think you understand how much they've developed the last two decades. These weapons are beginning to be deployed for combat operations. This isn't conspiracy, you can literally look up government info on this.

>Of course embassies are still weak against the strongest weapon of all truckloads of bribe money
Now, now, let's not sidetrack this thread.

Some forms of laser/sonic weapons are in deployment.

Those are for the navy, and experimental. Unless there's some magic power source that can power laser small arms, soldiers will keep using projectile weapons for a very long time.

You are the one who is wrong, I am literally a machinist and what he says is correct. It could certainly be done faster today to a degree thanks to CNC but even back in the day with mass production techniques (custom jigs, machinery and tooling) you could crank out a ton of shit.

The Browning Hi Power from the 1920's gives up almost nothing to a modern glock aside from weight thanks to its polymer frame. But it terms of ability to sling bullets they are nearly identical.

>Some forms of laser/sonic weapons are in deployment.
They are, but laser weapons so far require too much energy to be worth something in battle.
And even then its shit, read a while ago about one of the most powerfull lasers in the world trying to heat up a missile in a test senario to shoot it down, it failed.
Sonic weapons lack focus and even then range sucks too.

>I thought modern body armor vests are more than capable of stopping even a higher caliber (7.62) bullets?
what is a rifle plate
>You'll get knocked down due to the shock but you'll live.
Bullets can't knock you over, but if you mean that the person would fall down from being startled you are right.

Call me when it's actually used in war against people rather than flies and the eyeballs of people who were too careless.
No, by the way, you can't use it to fry eyeballs as a weapon. That's specifically banned by treaty. Yes, treaties are bullshit and go out the window the second someone feels like it, but that just means that the enemy is given justification to do the same, while you're gonna find yourself real short on allies while they just stack propaganda up against you. Not to mention the fact that the entire reason there's a treaty against it is because it doesn't actually kill people, just blinds them. That goes out the window once they come up with countermeasures and now you're stuck with useless fucking lasers while dodging artillery because you spent all your fucking money on focusing lenses instead of all the other important shit of war.
No, they're not currently capable of combat use.
No, some fucking prototypes and testing doesn't mean they are. If that were the case, the XM25 would actually be in service rather than a cancelled piece of shit that kept breaking.

Ah, yes. A really big laser fueled by a warship with a displacement of up to 16591 tons. Surely, the small arms industry shall be taken by storm. pic related, It's a super advanced biological weapon that's been in development for millions of years. I assure you, it's the future of small arms in warfare.

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I question where we could properly encrypt communications or hide the communications by using shield wires.
Both will be potentially obsolete forms of communication protection in the future. Computers can be decrypted in many ways. Shielded communications are only as strong and the intrusions it keeps out and the sensitivity of machines to those intrusions.

>That goes out the window once they come up with countermeasures
They already exist, laser goggles. No different than wearing a pair of sunglasses

>Those are for the navy, and experimental. Unless there's some magic power source that can power laser small arms, soldiers will keep using projectile weapons for a very long time.
Guns used to be in the form of cannons once upon a time. Hell, gun powder was "wizardry" back then. We will find a way to miniaturise the process. It's a matter of time.

This might come as a surprise but....it's a science fiction story

The XM25 was in deployment, too. All the shit in the land warrior program, the future soldier program, and every single other program of the United States and all the other countries of the world was in development and hyped, yet the M2 is still kicking. Just you wait, there'll be M2s on Mars.

Those can only be shielded against certain frequencies unless you just make them completely opaque, which is why I didn't mention them. A solution that can't be sidestepped around would be a helmet with an internal screen and electronic visual input. It would be pretty expensive and a pain in the ass, but it's definitely possible for any major power, and that's if you absolutely need to send some poor schmuck at the laser shitters rather than just calling down some boom.

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>That's specifically banned by treaty.
You mean a law made by a global institution/state that is increasingly becoming obsolete and makes unenforceable laws?
>That goes out the window once they come up with countermeasures and now you're stuck with useless fucking lasers while dodging artillery because you spent all your fucking money on focusing lenses instead of all the other important shit of war.
I'll agree that it might not be ready yet, but god dammit were not far away now. It's a couple years away at most. And I think these weapons may be more effective than artillery in many ways.
Artillery takes time and is inaccurate. Lasers are far more accurate.

And that gun was just an example. I was trying to make a point with an article. You sound like you're in denial about how far our weapons have developed in recent decades. Just look at war documentation development for example. We went from little visual recordings of war at the scene to civilians being able to record shit with the phone in their pocket.

Guns did not start out as cannons you fucking clown.

The problem with energy weapons in the ENERGY. The amount of energy you would need to injure a human with a light beam is enormous, you would need to carry the batteries from 3 tesla cars on your back. They are held back by the same thing that every electronic device has been held back by for decades.
Battery technology is literally at the forefront of technological development since it is the bottleneck for so many things, and yet no one is forecasting the inevitable release of a miracle battery anytime soon.

Guns won't disappear, but they will potentially be considered less dangerous than a laser weapon that shoots straight and nearly instantly.

>We went from little visual recordings of war at the scene to civilians being able to record shit with the phone in their pocket.
Due to computers. You keep trying to equate mechanical things to computers but it just does not work that way. Not every technology on earth undergoes miraculous miniaturization like you seem to think.

Lazy writing

Lasers do not work at an infinite range, over distance the beam spreads out which would make it less lethal very quickly.

>you would need to carry the batteries from 3 tesla cars on your back. They are held back by the same thing that every electronic device has been held back by for decades.
Hence why I think the oil corporations are about to have a stern chat with the military. Cause guess who's stopping that one.

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you are a fucking moron

>You keep trying to equate mechanical things to computers but it just does not work that way
Computers are mechanical you fucking retard.

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>Lasers do not work at an infinite range
Neither do guns. But one is affected by gravity far more than the other.
Do you work for the gun lobby or something?

is he really dead?

I bet you think USGS is showing accurate information about Oregons tectonic activity (which is extremely small now apparently even though it sits on a fucking fault line).
Protip: they fudge records to protect their financial interests. Tectonic activity is sometimes observed near oil and gas fields for "reasons that can't be explained". If you disconnect a region and their records, the activity can be much harder or impossible to predict.

Yes.

Until the average grunt can get their hands on it, or it gets deployed in meaningful numbers, you should be rightfully skeptical about anything any military in the world proposes. Nine times out of ten, it's a money dump. Maybe a money dump that provides valuable research and technology into future developments, but a money dump that fails to deliver on what's promised nonetheless. Weapons have certainly developed, the durability of the human body has not. There will absolutely come a point where "it just works"; if we haven't passed it already.

>The gun lobbies are holding back death laser technology
Well, that's a new one.

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He was revived on the third day and simply rose to heaven later.

you know what I mean you fucking jackass. Moore's law is something that applies to computers/electronics. It does not apply to literally everything on earth. There are a shitload of technologies that modern society relies on that have not significantly changed in decades. For example centrifugal pumps and induction motors, the two most common machines on earth, are the same as they have been for a very very long time.

>Well, that's a new one.
You really think they wouldn't try?
But the bigger threat is oil and oil companies.

>you should be rightfully skeptical about anything any military in the world proposes.
I agree, but I'm also sceptical that our tech is being held back by parties with conflicts of interest. Everyone knows Iraq was about the oil remember.

retard

There comes a point where we seem to have gone "ok, that's it, we don't need to miniaturise this specific thing any more". Most tech reaches that point at some stage. The development switches from a focus on size to a focus on quality or function.

you are a retard, stop posting

denial

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Well at least write an argument to tell me why you haven't been blown the fuck out.

>Until the average grunt can get their hands on it, or it gets deployed in meaningful numbers, you should be rightfully skeptical about anything any military in the world proposes. Nine times out of ten, it's a money dump. Maybe a money dump that provides valuable research and technology into future developments, but a money dump that fails to deliver on what's promised nonetheless.
a million times this. There's so much stupid shit that the Pentagon dumps money into. Never get enthusiastic about what defense contractors hype up until they produce tangible, scalable end prototypes that could feasibly be adopted. They're simply bathing in your tax money in most cases. Eisenhower was right :^)

There is not that much difference between modern guns and 1919 guns. All the basic technologies were more or less there. Then it took until the 60s to perfect the configuration. Now we're on a plateau.

Police actions. Most present DEWs are meant to inflict nonlethal pain to disperse crowds or temporary blindness to incapacitate a target. I'm sure you could make a toggle between nonlethal and lethal output, but nobody is going to publicly acknowledge such a project.

Seriously. LOGH's "we use power armor and axes because accidentally punching a hole in the hull of the ship we're boarding would kill everybody involved" is a better excuse.

When proven wrong, call the other party a retard (or tranny). Gotta love the internetz.

except he didn't prove anything wrong, he's just a retard talking out of his ass

>Never get enthusiastic about what defense contractors hype up
Most of the time they're all saying the same thing though - "current tech in batteries is holding us back".
I'd be real nervous if I lobbied against batteries for my own profit reasons.

what do you do? I'm a gunsmith and everything in the last 90 years has only been a footnote in the life of john browning.

Funny how I wasn't called retard until oil came into the question though. Cognitive dissonance?

They probably just thought using ray guns or whatever would detract from the show's aesthetic. Besides, Bebop was very into "internet future" bullshit that was all the rage back then. Websites in 3D and all that jazz.

Why do we still you stone age wheels and hammers in an era of computers and back-flipping robots? It's hard to improve on such a fundamentally sound concept or tool. The fact is, shooting shit at others is a really efficient way to kill them.

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You make it sound like, muh science, and Bebop is only real, and shit, but then you notice that there's lot's of sound and explosions in Bebop space, and it all comes tumbling down.

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I miss Yoko, I hope she does one more soundtrack when she wants to retire.

It's a bunch on nogunz popsci retards. Can't even move to replace the main rifle. Just look at the garbage shitshow of the jsf.

Lazy writing, even GitS has more advanced weaponry despite taking place in the 20th century.

I'm not even a MAGA yeehawing gun fanatic but goddamn the Browning 1911 is just a iconic aesthetically pleasing firearm.

GitS does not take place in the 20th century you fucking mongoloid, it takes place in the in the 2030s and bebop the 2070s

People today still use Tommy, Kalashnikov, and uzi, All three guns are over 60 years old. Old guns will keep being in use as long as they do the job well. It makes sense in that regards.

It also makes more sense than having them carry lazerguns or some goofy looking scifi guns, the shows roots in realism makes future scifi bs weapons feel wrong. spike wouldn't look cool with a goofy lazer gun.

Rule of cool.

prolly cus of that one time the eart blew up or whatever

May add to this conversation that inhumane weapons will still exist in the future, so gas weapons, lasers, sonic weapons , radiation weapons are still banned

Lasers and sonic weapons aren't banned.

Realistically, it's because Mars isn't bound by Earth patents.

Why reinvent the wheel when a cloned USP or M29 will kill humans just as dead as a new, copyrighted design.

>Why do you think your computers develop and become smaller? Miniaturisation.
Summary of this entire thread. /g/ browsing underage retard thinks every technology develops the same way that semiconductors do.

The patent on a gun from the fucking 1990's probably would have expired anyway by 2070 don't ya think bud?

not yet

Hell, her compositions are the only redeeming quality of Thank You No Terror.

Kinetic weaponry are a lot easier to develop and upgrade than laser weaponry

not if D*sney has anything too say about it

Patents and copyright on entertainment shit are not the same realm. That's why there are shitloads of manufacturers making 1911's and AR-15's today.

browning didn't copyright and of the designs he made for the government

If it ain't broke...

patents.google.com/patent/US984519A/en

It's ok, user, I heard they'll have guns that shoot black holes in the Netfl*x series.

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>Why do people in Cowboy Bebop use 20th century weaponry in an era of spaceships and hyperspace travel?
Laser guns are for faggots.

Real men use real guns with real bullets.

Finally my Weapons Engineering degree at working (sorry for my bad english) Well user, as many other tell before laser and microwave weapon had been improve the last 50 years, but one simple reason make credible the use of gunpowder weapons in future, not only is cheap, is incredible safe and reliable too. Think about the Gauss cannon, is a very powerful weapon, you can even make rifles and modular ones, but the energy needed to make it work is hard to use, we dont have capacitors powerful enougth, because is against the laws of physics, that´s why you can find this kind of cannons on large vessels and airplanes, but not handguns...Now give me more lews of Fey Valentine

Because its aesthetic is based around the 19th and 20th centuries you retarded fag. It's called retro futurism. Something doesn't have to look like Star Trek or Mass Effect in order to be sci-fi.

Space Dandy was the better Bebop than Bebop. Proof me wrong. You literally can't. Coincidentally Dandy also had lasers. Which are hell of cool.

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>hyperspace travel
Aren't the gates just wormholes? It's been a long time since I've watched but do they actually go into detail as to how their shit works?

what?

yesterday cowboy bebop thread
>why no lasers
today cowboy bebop thread
>why no lasers
could it be the same faggot OP?

Honestly, even the CNC thing is debatable: sheet metal stamping was a big manufacturing innovation in WWII and some of the best guns of the war were extremely cheap things made out of like ~5 stamped parts total minus the bolt and a little bit of welding. Then again, I'm not a machinist and just talking out of my ass

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