Who wins?

>no hamon
Jotaro killed DIO by punching him really really hard, and King Crimson is way stronger than Star Platinum, The Boss actually stands a chance.

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Dio
>Diavolo sees the future
>sees himself getting donuted
>can't erase the process because it happens in stopped time
>dies

>King Crimson is way stronger than Star Platinum

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Jotaro clearly used it without knowing, notice the glowing during that fight, he inatly has it like his grandfather.

He just moves out of that spot before it activates.

My theory is that King Crimson can skip time stops
But DIO also has an immortal vampire body, so DIO wins

The way the world and dio reacted to that last punch clearly indicates hamon was used.

>O MY SAME TYPE OF STAND
>O MY BAD LEG

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>Diavolo donuts DIO
>DIO shrugs it off, stops time for real, kills Diavolo

Jotaro is secretly a hamon master, how else does he stay the same age over all the years?

If he doesn't erase the process, he will still die because of fate, like Rohan. See: Narancia

>diavolo sees him die
>can't change it
Omedetou speedwatcher-kun

>King Crimson is way stronger than Star Platinum

Maybe rewatch slowly Diavolo is immune to fate during the 10 seconds.

KC is the stronger stand.
>Epitaph lets him see time stops in the future
>KC erases that part
That leaves Dio's vampiric body but Diavolo can just skip time until it's morning like that scene with the maid.

He can't change it because he can't see the process. It doesn't happen in his 10 second time window.

>Jotaro is secretly a hamon master
How can Jotaro use hamon if he's a smoker?

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Retard. He just moves out of the way in skipped time BEFORE the timestop. Since Dio would still be moved by fate (where diavolo would have been if he hadn't time skipped) dio would just donut the air.

>It doesn't happen in his 10 second time window.
The time stop doesn't take up any time at all thus is within 10 seconds.

>Dio would still be moved by fate
THIS

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The real question is can either of them beat this?

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>Diavolo
>one hit punches Polnareff into pieces
>DIO
>punches Polnareff but only sends him flying backwards
Argue all you want SP/za warudo fags, results matter.

KQ can only win in a surprise attack because its physical fighting capabilities are seriously weak.

Depends. If BTD worked trough diavolo's epitaph (diavolo seeing him in the future getting BTD'ed would BTD him in the present) it would be pretty much a paradox. Otherwise Diavolo can just works it away.

Fighting power levels in JoJo are retarded and inconsistent but KC is definitely more powerful than SP in pure strength though far worse in speed and precision.

Can Kars unironically beat both Dio and Diavolo? Both of them have no real way of damaging Kars.

Bites The Dust can't be triggered manually, because it requires a "host" (hayato and ambulance lady) the time rewind sound is still one of my favorite things to listen to

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>both of them have no real way of damaging Kars.
Neither did Joseph tbf he just ass pulled it.

Diavolo cant 1HKO Dio, so even if he does Time Erase 1st, after the effects end, Dio will still be alive, pull a Za Warudo and kill Diavolo.

Yeah but that was part 2 Joseph.

You can't out asspull a Joestar, and even though he won't admit it, he's legally and 90% biologically a Joestar. Its why only Jotaro could beat him, because he had both Joestar genes and YAMATO DAMASHI so he gets all the bullshit asspulls in existence.

And I say this with Jotaro as my favorite JoJo, just happens I like DIO and the villains more.

Doppio wins all the cuteness contests though so ultimately, he's the real winner.

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Daily reminder that if Dire's Cross Chop had landed, Dio would've been deleted.

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>clearly indicates hamon was used
nice head canon user

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>KC stronger than SP
Holy shit, how can one user be this retarded?

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Considering stand abilities still take effect during the erased time (demonstrated by Bruno opening zippers and forgetting he did) Dio can still stop time. Considering Diavolo can only see the consequences of the World through epitaph and has to dodge the attacks during the erased time while Dio moves following gis fate, there's a high chance Diavolo could get caught up in Dio's attacks since he can't see them coming.
Add in Dio's resilience and odds are obviously against Diavolo.

Dio, King Crimson is not that good

>i'm a genius
>OH NO

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Diamond is brittle, retard

>"As hard as diamonds" means "Its diamonds"

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>no one can just deflect the emerald splash
>my harvest is invincible
>sheer heart attack has no weaknesses
>wu tomoki never fails

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>two random humans with The World and KC as their stands
The one with KC wins.
>DIO vs. Diavolo
At first DIO gets donuted by Diavolo but him being a vampire lets him shrug it off long enough to beat Diavolo in the end.

Ability wise KC is a hard counter for anything The World can do. Think about what using The World looks like from Diavolo's perspective: whatever DIO does, happens in an instant as far as Diavolo is concerned and he can very easily include that instant inside the 10 seconds he erases. After that it's trivial for him to get the first punch in like he always does, but his downfall will be the fact that he's too used to always donuting his opponent instead of going for the head, which will give DIO the opportunity to retaliate.

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Scenario 1:
>TW Activates
>KC cant do shit on time stop
>Dio Punch a new one in try Diavolo

Scenario 2:
>KC Activates vs TW
>Diavolo Dodges TW
>Diavolo Punches tru Dio
>Dio dont give a fuck cause immortal vampire
>TW Activates
>KC cant do shit on time stop
>Dio Punch a new one in try Diavolo

Only way Diavolo can win (implying KC is stronger than TW)
>Diavolo know before hand Dio is a Vampire and needs Sun to kill him
>KC Activates vs TW
>Diavolo Dodges TW
>KC Punches and breaks TW
>Users body mimic the damage their Stand receives (Immortality be dammed)
>Diavolo keep breaking TW till Sun goes up

Holy shit, never seen one nigger so retarded before. Diamonds being hard is what makes them brittle. Ergo, those teeth were brittle, you retarded caveman.

A good hit in the head almost killed DIO. It would be stupid to think DIO just shrugs off damage as it takes some time to heal.

The head is indeed a weakness to him since the brain takes time to reform, but Diovolo doesn't aim for the head.

He does before getting GER'd.

Pucci

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Midget

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It's never said Epitaph let's him see or react to time stop. Jotaro is the only one who experiences stop time apart from DIO because they have the same stand. Diavolo would only be able to see the results of the time stop and not the time stop itself.

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Blood piss

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He will see the effects of the time stop with Epitaph, that's the point. He'll see Dio doing something in an instant and just erase around that instant. Whatever Dio does inside the time stop doesn't matter, it'll all get erased just like that.

Might be poor wording on my part but yeah, I'm not saying he can view within the stopped time but only the effects of the time stop as you've said. Events like him suddenly being damaged or Dio suddenly teleporting can be predicted and skipped.

>Shitstain
kek

So what kinda time related powers the final villain of Jojolion will have? We already have stop, skip, rewind and reverse. There's not much left.

Time flop----

my villain tierlist is objectively right any other "opinions" are retarded and fucking wrong

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But all vampires and DIO were beat by the hamon breathing thing, which none of the villains do.
So without the technique, no matter how strong they would be doing nothing to a vampire.

>hardness alone is a measure of brittleness
>doesn't know about "yield strength" and "elastic limit"
Found the non-STEM major. Stick to writing poetry.

Kars should be C because he's a literal DBZ villain

>STEM meme
>failing hard at his own subjects
Are you a pajeet by any chance? Did you miss the class about particle density and and compound structure? Actually, you are conceding by pointing out those magnitudes, as any kind of force applied to an object with the hardness of diamond would have to be minimal in order to break. Hell, try finding out the necking point of a diamond and be astonished.

King crimson have A in destructive power like SP

hes better than p1 dio though

>implied stems major
>fails to differentiate between toughness and hardness
what a bright future this world has

why is a wagecuck allowed to pose like that

You don't need to have Epitaph to see what he ia going to respond
>hehehehe believing stand charts

>all vampires and DIO were beat by the hamon
Nukesaku was killed by getting chopped up
no hamon was used

Time-stop has no use against someone who has precognition and is able to invalidate the stopped time by skipping over it.
KC hard-counters The World.

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how can you skip stopped time? the only precognition he would get is that he has a massive hole in his chest and there would be nothing he could do about it

>KC hard-counters The World
THIS

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>Epitaph sees the future
>King Crimson activates before DIO has time to shout ZA WARUDO
>Boss karate chops DIOs head
>DIO can't stand head injuries

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I think this is one of the cases where the winner is completely up to the whims of the author.
Diavolo could deduce the fact that Dio has teleported or whatever and that he is able to control either time/space, or maybe he can't.
If frozen time counts as an instant, I think Diavolo should win, if the 10 seconds that Dio is able to move in frozen time constitute the same time that KC is able to predict with Epitaph then Dio should win.

>nothing to do
KC erases that part.

>I think this is one of the cases where the winner is completely up to the whims of the author.

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BASED

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I like to believe that The World's time stop would remain if KC skips time.

>Epitaph sees TW stop time so Diavolo skips before it happens.
>DIO suddenly finds himself in stopped time with no memory of activating TW
>When TW reaches it's limit, the skip continues as normal

>Boss karate chops DIOs head
What makes you so sure about that? He didn't do this against Trish, Bruno, Abbachio, Narancia, Polnareff, or even Giorno until GER.

KC+Epitaph does indeed hard counter The World.
But Vampires hard counter Humans much, much harder.
Unless Diavolo utterly destroys DIO's brain to the point where he can't use timestop in one hit (which requires him to arbitrarily decide to even attack the head with the one attack he will get), he loses.

>Vampires hard counter Humans

Was he really dead though? We never saw him after he got chopped up.

Diavolo chopped Polnareff's face in half.

DIO was doing the chopping, super strength took care of the rest

To be fair Harvest could have easily won, Shigechi was just a fucking idiot

Just aim for the head, good luck stopping time without a brain.

He wasn't an idiot, but he was indeed careless. He didn't had much battle experience, so the thought of a stand like KQ existing didn't cross his mind. If I had a stand one day, even a powerful one, and I was drawn to a murderous enemy stand, without any jojo knowledge, I would get fucking killed out of sheer naivety.

He could have just used a harvest drone to attract Josuke while he was talking to Kira, since he was clearly a dangerous guy, but by the time he thought of calling Josuke he just decided to go there himself instead, which was what resulted in his doom, and when he finally led a drone to Josuke it was already too late. I guess it was just a lack of strategy in the end, but that is to be expected from someone who had only ever been in a single stand battle.

It's basically a question of whether Diavolo knows DIO is a vampire, because if he doesn't go for the head then he dies immediately.

>saying this when Jonathan beat DIO without Hamon
>saying this when the character that killed DIO didn't even have Hamon

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BASED

Araki forgot

Switch? The user can switch two people's fates around so if someone was destined to be hit by a car while another person was destined to be raped in a Walmart bathroom then their fates would be swapped

Back to plebbit you memeloving fuck.

>KC is definitely more powerful than SP in pure strength though far worse in speed and precision
>speed and precision
Silver Chariot was able to match SP in speed and precision and Polnareff got fucking bodied by KC

DIO easily. Possible scenarios:
1: Diavolo skips time first and doughtnuts DIO. This does not kill DIO because he's a vampire. He then stops time and doughnuts Diavolo, who dies because he's not a vampire.
2: DIO stops time first and doughnuts Diavolo, Diavolo dies.
3: DIO tries to stop time but Diavolo's time erasure effects the stopped time, effectively negating it. It is now effectively just DIO vs. Diavolo with their punch ghosts and no special effects, which DIO wins.
It just comes down to the difference in punchghost power and the regen factor that DIO has; it's too big of an advantage against Diavolo who can only erase time and then doughnut people when time resumes.

You have to be a caveman to unironically belive kc is stronger than star platinum physically. All "feats" of kc are nothing compared to what star platinum does. That being said, Diavolo would win due to his ability.

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>Silver Chariot was able to match SP in speed and precision and Polnareff got fucking bodied by KC
THIS

>what is holding back
Jotaro didn't want to hurt his friend. KC wanted Polnareff dead, besides they didn't have a punch barrage IIRC

DIO regen takes time, a good, crippling punch made him retarded until he drank Joseph's blood. DIO also points out to Polnareff that if the rapier moved a tiny bit sideways he would be done for.
>fugoposter
>frogposter
StarPlat lifted a car and dented a steam roller, are those amazing feats? KC flattened rocks just by throwing a fit. I'm sure they are at the same level of strength, taking for example how he tore up Polnareff is a single strike.

Dio because he doesn't immediately die from donut, simple as

If you damage the Stand, the user is fucked, no matter how durable said user's physical body is. DIalovo definitely has the strenght to pull that off.

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He punched a steamroller up wich was being punched down by a stand with A in power and a vampire. He also donuted DIO who's a vamp thus much harder to hurt than some frenchman.
>rocks
And SP breaks diamond hard teeth to smitherines
>polnareff
regular buff frenchman, SP doesn't do that to every minor villain because de doesn't want to kill people

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To clarify
Diavolo erases time, appears behind Dio and donuts him. Dio immediately stops time, just like with polnareff, turns around and donuts diavolo AND sucks his blood to heal himself.

My point is that KC's speed and precision is irrelevant in a match against SP/TW since Diavolo can just chop the user in half from behind

All the options are retarded.

Option 1: if anybody is going to be activating their ability first after failure its going to be KC. Remember Jotaro says The World is terrible for his heart and takes a lot of strength to activate and maintain? Same shit for Dio, while he regenerates faster cuz he is a vampire that doesn't mean The World doesn't still have a cool down period while KC is shown to be spammable pretty well.

Option 2: >what is epitaph

Option 3: Why wouldn't diavolo try timeskipping again here

BASED

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Diavolo if he goes for the head
But he likes Donuts so it's more likely that he himself will become one

>another frogpost
Could count as avatarfagging.
Donuted an unaware DIO, also vampires are never mentioned to have tougher skin, just a really damn high resilience. King Crimson puts no effort in donuting somebody, does it casually.
>diamonds
Read the thread, because diamond is so hard it makes it so brittle. It takes a baby with a hammer to break one.
>holding back
Didn't do it with DIO when he had the third chance (after the donut and the skull bash)

see rat episode, there's no real cooldown on stopping time

stopping time has literally no effect on dios stamina either, in a single evening he stops time about 20+ times (every time he moved polnareff, senator phillips, killed kakyoin etc) and by the end of the fight he was stronger than when it started

>Donuted an unaware DIO, also vampires are never mentioned to have tougher skin, just a really damn high resilience. King Crimson puts no effort in donuting somebody, does it casually.
You make it sound as if him being aware would make him any more resistant. Vampires are much tougher than humans, look what he did in pt 1.
>no effort
Headcanon. Just because his moves have no finesse it does not mean he'd be stronger if they did.

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BASED DIO SAMA

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Jonathan pierced and chopped him as he would do with any human. What makes vampires more powerful is how durable they are.
>headcanon
He goes through Bruno like butter.

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DIO. Is diavolo even gonna touch DIO. DIO is a vampire. DIO has broken healing abilities. Most importantly DIO is DIO. Part 5 fags can go suck a dick.

>Jonathan pierced and chopped him as he would do with any human.
It's Jonathan Joestar, not a fucking twink.

>>headcanon
>He goes through Bruno like butter.
You can't see him ready the punch, but that doesn't mean he just pushes his fist through
>Jonathan pierced and chopped him as he would do with any human.
maybe with the hamon sword

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No, with a sharp pole or spear, I don't remember, but prior to learning how to not mouthbreathe.

See this you idiot.

Yea Forums really hates Stardust Crusaders

I think his body was just beggining to have vampirism at that point

Not Yea Forums just few early part hating bastards.

vocal minority

Yeah, but take on account how Araki shrinked the bodies of his characters. If he drew Diavolo in part 1 he would be a mass of muscles and pink hair.
Then, at part 3, DIO wasn't fully used to Jonathan's body. He got the short straw in both situations.

That's retarded, if Diavolo moves before timestop it doesn't matter he still will be stuck in timestop.
>Dio attack
>Epitaph predicts
>Diavolo moves
>Timestop
>Diavolo is in another place but still in time stop
>Dio is confused but still donut him

Look up canon height and weight of Jonathan or DIO. Diavolo looks like a fuckboi in front of them.

Jonathan was built like Kenshiro

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DIO. Because even if Diavolo skip time and manage a hit on DIO, he will just heal himself and stop time. We have seen DIO get donut and get punched the the head by SP. DIO is just more durable and king crimson has a cool down on his time skip.

Dio

Diavolo gets tired using King Crimson. He can avoid The World for a bit, but eventually DIO wins a war of attrition. Diavolo skips time for 10 seconds. Then 5 seconds. And it keeps going down until it is essentially a split second reaction.

Dio meanwhile just keeps stopping time.

That and Diavolo wouldn't be able to kill DIO as a vampire

He makes him look like a twink too

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>king crimson has a cool down on his time skip.
>Diavolo gets tired using King Crimson
He does?

TRUE

If diavolo moves during timeskip but before timestop Dio would still try to donut the place where diavolo was. Timestop dio is still bound by the fate of KC because it's happening during the skipped time.

Yes. Are you a anime-only?

He's a human, he'd be tired eventually

No, but read vento aureo 10 years ago

Araki said time-stopping is the greatest time manipulation power and that's why Jotaro could only do it for 5 seconds where as Dio was going to gain eventually infinite time stops thanks to his immortal vampire body. Nothing here suggests Diavolo has a chance.

The World is:

- faster
- stronger
- more precise
- and greater ranger then King Crimson does

Dio is also himself physically tougher, stronger, faster, and can regenerate where as Diavolo can not. He can not SKIP stopped-time because time has ceased to function during Dio's freezing of it, and if Diavolo is frozen in time, how can he skip it?

When did KC shatter diamond teeth? Oh right, never.

when does he get tired in the manga?

>He can not SKIP stopped-time because time has ceased to function during Dio's freezing of it, and if Diavolo is frozen in time, how can he skip it?
>Hurr durr what is epitaph duuurrrrr

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It's mentioned somewhere. It's been long time since I read part 5 so I can't tell where. But yeah KC has a cool down timer.

Such a huge guy.
>another idiot thinks diamonds are, dare I say, unbreakable
>faster
Could be, it was faster than Star Platinum.
>Stronger
Could be, it was stronger than Star Platinum.
>more precise
Sure.
>greater range
Yeah.
But still loses because prediction and time erasing.

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I know you KCfags are retarded but give an actual refutation to what was said: Epitaph only predicts the future, not counters it. Skipping time when time is frozen is not something KC has ever been indicated to do or capable of doing, and you are literally unable to counter this.

Nothing allows Diavolo to "predict" the future when he's already frozen in time. King Crimson doesn't make Diavolo immune to pausing/freezing time, nor does it grant him leeway to fight in a time-stop like Jotaro did since Star Platinum is the same type of Stand and has the same time abilities as The World does.

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>Hurt Durr what is time-stop cool down duuurrrrr

Diavolo can't hurt anyone when his ability is activated, he has to wait until it's over. When it's over, DIO has mre than enough time to stop time and Boss dies since his ability isn't in effect.

The World doesn't lose because DIO is more durable retard. DIO can literally survive even with a crushed skull. Don't be this delusional.

>faster
It is
>Stronger
It is
>more precise
It is
>greater range
It is.
>loses because of prediction
It doesn't, because the only thing Epitaph is going to show is how Diavolo is going to get frozen and then end up holed through the torso by The World's fist.
>time erasing
Time erasing is a secondary ability of King Crimson's time-skip, not something Diavolo actively can manipulate or control. Secondly, first thing Dio would do is time stop and given The World has several meters of range on King Crimson, Diavolo is frozen in time and then dies. So try again, faggot.

>could be
Oh fuck could you stop already, sp is clearly physically superior, you're just in denial

Did you consider that maybe, just maybe, he skips time BEFORE he is time stopped, not during?

>epitaph predicts the future
>diavolo notices he dies instantly/weird teleporting shit from Dio
>skip
>timestop doesn't do shit because Diavolo moved behind Dio to prepare for donuting

>>another idiot thinks diamonds are, dare I say, unbreakable
I didn't imply that retard, I said that SP has more to show regarding physical strength than KC. And that's without counting all the times the author explicitely say that Star platinum is the strongest stand.

>prediction
Not really relevant when Diavolo/King Crimson's sub-Stand ability isn't actual precognition and rather works just as a form of prediction tied with time-skipping that King Crimson does. Also worthless because Epitaph can not predict a future when time is stopped.
>time erasing
Not even Diavolo can do shit during the actual side-effect of King Crimson's time-skip. So how does that help against The World?

I did but the fact of the matter is DIO is faster both as a Stand User and with his own Stand being more powerful and agile then King Crimson and Diavolo and having greater range meaning KC would be beaten on the quickdraw.

Also did you even consider the no limits argument you are peddling trying to argue Epitaph can predict a future when time is frozen when has never shown the ability to do so and only with KC time skip? There's no evidence showing it can predict what happens during DIO's time-stop and the results of that.

DIO didn't die from a punch you retards.

He was fucked up but they needed to put his shes in the sun to kill him. He would have regenerated eventually.

Shit argument.

holy shit why do KCfags exist

Imbecile, Diavolo changes fate by erasing whatever the future holds out for him, that's why Giorno needed GER to kill him.
>more durable
Sure, but DIO couldn't even walk when Jotaro crushed his skull.
>worthless because Epitaph can not predict a future when time is stopped
This is what the Boss sees, himself getting hit by DIO, he erases that.

He wouldn't even be able to comprehend stopped time with Epitaph

Dio would ass fuck Diavolo, only stopped time can beat stopped time

The most extre part5fags i presume.

GWfags have always been a cancer and vocal minority buy I fear the anime has made secondaries become even more attracted to this absurd power-level fetish shit. No one I know who knows anything about Jojo would ever argue Diavolo would stand a chance against DIO in a fight.

>Brainlets and fags are same anons.
What a surprise! I have a boner for SO just because how much these fags hate it.

*extreme

Cringe post. I bet you are a fag who wears fishnet shirts, has gradient colored hair and likes to go to gay raves.

I don't give a shit about muh stats cuz they're inconsistent as fuck.

As for your second paragraph, I concede he wouldn't be able to predict actions during timestop as they would be happening in an infinitesimally small instant. However there is no reason why he wouldn't be able to predict the results of timestop. It is during his ten seconds prediction after all.

Nice bullshit you retard.

>Imbecile, Diavolo changes fate by erasing whatever the future holds out for him, that's why Giorno needed GER to kill him.
His ability needs to be activated to do so, if his head gets smashed during stopped time, he can't erase it since he isn't conscious anymore..

>I don't give a shit about muh stats
I know you don't, brainlet.
DIO one-shots Diavolo, gg.

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>Sure, but DIO couldn't even walk when Jotaro crushed his skull.
He was still able to stop time and use the world without any problem. And we all know how strong The World is. DIO can one shot Diavolo even if DIO is damaged.

He gets tired during the final chase for the arrow. Trish managed to fend him off the arrow with Mista's bullets, because Dialovo had no stamina left to skip time, and had to punch the bullets away with KC's fists.

He could stop time but he couldn't bring out his stand.

>DIO one-shots Diavolo, gg.
Brainlet he doesn't even have the chance to donut diavolo

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>Diavolo changes fate
How does he change fate when he's frozen in time and gets a giant giga-musclebound Stand arm through his chest and spine?

That's anime bullshit. The World is the ultimate stand.

Are all KCfags this nuts

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did we get robbed of the actual final antagonist that we deserved by bullshit plot armor

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t.DIO, he couldn't bring it out in the manga either.

>cringe
Nothing wrong with the other stuff.
Nice argument, vermin.
The boss is not dumb, he always uses epitaph first.
This is a good counter point to the argument. Stamina counts and unless Diavolo cripples DIO with one hit, he'll get tired first.
Because he sees that image of the future and erases it.

Cope

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He was later on damaged again and was able to time stop. DIO can also heal himself while time stop. With time skip already happened KC needs to cool down. As I said The World is the ultimate stand. It even bested Star Platinum many times and we all know SP is one of the strongest and fastest stands.

>The boss is not dumb, he always uses epitaph first.
How can diavolo erase events when isn't conscious anymore?

>The boss is not dumb
>Dresses like a dick-loving gay disco raver
>always "uses epitaph first"
Wrong.

It doesn't matter if epitaph can see the actions of timestop, he can still see the results.

Could Killer Queen technically kill all the high tier villains (DIO, Ultimate Kars etc.) ?

>cope
>that image
Why do you like showing off that you frequent Yea Forums so much?
Ah so you are just pretending to be retarded.
? Pointless post.

I'm wasn't talking about stopping time, I was talking about bringing out the punching ghost.
>It even bested star platinum many times
It's the opposite, SP bested the world many times

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Can Diavolo even survive half of the shit DIO went through when fighting the same type of stand.

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Here is one for you retard, getting killed by a timespot is a unchangeable fate if you don't have a stand with the same power as The World, no matter what KC can see or do he can't change that fate.

>I was talking about bringing out the punching ghost.
See now I will explain step by step. Read carefully.
1. Injured DIO stop time to heal himself completely.
2. Time flows normally.
3. KC can't skip time because of cool down.
4. The World destroys KC.
It's simple as that user.

killer queen can kill anything

>Ah so you are just pretending to be retarded.
I will take that concession
But diavolo is already dead, he can't erase something that didn't occur.

@187531517
>Imagine being this retarded

I don't care about KC, I jumped in the conversation when you said that he could "stop time and use the world without any problem"

You are definitely a moron.

Oh I guess I should have worded it better.

Please don't involve our boy in this autism thread.

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What do you mean?

>erases time stop
Now what

>Being so butthurt that you go out of your way to not give a (you)
>Being so mentally ill that you think everyone else is a (you)slut like yourself
It's time to stop browsing Yea Forums

>@
Different user but please return to whatever shithole you came from.

He is doing the whole "what came first, the chicken or the egg" out of the issue.

BASED

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I mean that the thing Diavolo wants to erase need to happen in the timeframe of KC ability and then Boss can erase it. If the world smash Diavolo's head and destroy his brain, then he can't erase what happened since he isn't conscious anymore.

>206 replies
>52 posters
Sasuga you autistic fucks

No. He can't kill Valentine.

Its 48 Diofags vs 2 Diavolofags and 2 Kirafags not knowing what's going on.

It's a YouTube bait argument thread what were you expecting. Atleast this thread doesn't have lots of fujo shit.

Diavolo just has to punch him into the head, why would he aims at his stomach ?
Though your picture is accurate.

>How dare people post more than once or twice?
>It's like they are trying to, may Moot forgive me for saying this, discuss something!

Hayato's mommy is hot reminder

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Can someone post Diavolo beating Polnareff? Thanks

Kek.

I don't get what you mean though, dio's the world happens in an instant so it should be completely inside KC's skip. Diavolo CAN see himself dying and erase that future (which is why he wanted to come out so fast during doppio v risotto)

there's only 1 diavolo fag and its me

Silver chariot is basically a SP that can't stop time and has a repier (is that what it's called?). Also KC can only be fucked with very few stands.

>48 Diofags vs 2 Diavolofags and 2 Kirafags
Part3fags vs Part5fags
Part4fags are spectating

fuck you OP

Not what I'm asking for. I want the manga panel.

raper*

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Only with bites the dust, and if he wasn't a retard (he is). So no.

It's clearly not, speedreader and or animeonly

Sorry my brain is fuck right now. I haven't slept in 2 days. College sucks.

Reminder that for all its power KC has unbelievably shit durability and so probably couldn't stand up to a single extended ass-beating on DIO's end

Diavolo frequently targets vital spots like the chest and stomach save for the one time he punched GE in the face, he has to trial and error in order to kill DIO while DIO only has to get him once

wtf this is no wheelchair injury araki

Kys YouTube faggot.

Thank you, helpfullanon

what the fuck

Thanks for the baseless assumption.

>baseless assumption
You're the one to say.

Could you also post when Doppio breaks the stone under him?

>Part4fags are spectating
That's what I said.
>2 Kirafags having no idea what's going on
Also Kirafags assemble.

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Polnareff is a Vampire right ?

You assumed that silver chariot is equal to pre timestop sp. You also replied to my post even tough it had nothing to do with comparing anything. I see you speedread posts aswell.

Please post Cioccolata introduction.

This confirms Polnareff is literally gutless.

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Part4fag here, I'm on part3fags side

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I haven't slept in 2 days. Sorry. !:^(

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Based Kirabro.

>I haven't slept in 2 days. Sorry. !:^(
Why though. Have some sleep, it's good for you man

>Part4fags are gutless cowards
Makes sense for posters who like the worst Part with the worst characters in JoJo I guess.

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youtube.com/watch?v=jMJKihAmkZY
here you got the answer

I like part 4 but take part 5's side.

As we can see from this thread, nobody wins. We all lose today.

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I am trying to stay awake because if I fall asleep I won't be able to study. So I decided to come here and talk to anons about relative subjects. Also epic exam time.

Nothing beats early to mid Part 4 art until Part 7's.

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DIOchads clearly won. Atleast go through the thread. KCfags have no case where DIO loses to a twink.

Hand to hand, DIO.
Ability Wise, Diavolo.
Realistically, whoever pops their stand first.

We realise part5cels are below us, it's like intermarrying with the lower classes

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Rude

LMAO

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Part5fags BTFO.

>says this when his part has BOTH the worst protag AND antag

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It really just boils down to "Does KC erase the Time Stop activation"

If yes, Diavolo skips past DIO turning the World on and off, goes "wtf was that," then donuts. If not, DIO kills him before he even recognizes how he died.

You also have to keep in mind that Diavolo has to deactivate the Time Skip and rely on disorientation in order to actively damage DIO while DIO doesn't have that same weakness. We also have canon evidence of DIO stopping time near instantly even when surprised (Polnareff stab, Jotaro waking up and SP ignoring the time stop) and, based on both what we know of The World and SP, it has insane reaction times all its own. KC would get one shot to kill DIO at best, and if he fucked it up he wouldn't get another. It's a 7-8/10 in DIO's favor considering they have no knowledge of each other and Diavolo goes for a donut punch.

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Made a chart

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>worst protag
>Ctrl+F stone ocean
>No results
Uuh

>Worst antag
>Ctrl+F Stone ocean
>Still no results
Uuuuuuuuuuuh

>Diavolo/Giornofags unironically believe this

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No, DIOfags lose to arguments.

Thanks for bearing with me. I guess I'll get back to studying. Have a good day.

>The World punches a hole in an exposed vulnerable Kakyoin with no defence to save him
>"Hahaha! I'm a genius!" laughs Dio

Mean while King Crimson can punch impact craters in rock like it's butter.

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BASED

Thanks, this will save me time in the future.

DIO punched a steamroller so hard it exploded and his fight with Jotaro was tearing up the city in Egypt they were battling in. Even Josuke's fight with an amped Akira/Red Hot Chili Peppers was also doing a lot of collateral damage DBZ style which is recurrent in Parts 3 and 4 but not really in Part 5.

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not an argument. KCfags lose to logic and intelligence.

Star Platinum easily broke a Stand's teeth that had the same MoH of hardness as diamonds without the lack of elasticity issues and The World was dominating Star Platinum most of the fight easily.

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Of course, KCfags don't have intelligence to begin with.

Based and redpilled.

DIO finger-deflecting Kakayoin's Emerald Splash was destroying an entire building tower. I'm not sure you grasp how strong he is.

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DIO brown nose squad assemble.
Based and crimsonpilled.

>Also KC can only be fucked with very few stands.
Notorious Big would fuck KC badly, no matter how many times KC changed fate Diavolo would get tired and killed.

The world was dominating thanks to its stop time ability. When it came to physical prowess, Star platinum was the one that came on top see and pic related

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Cringe and faggotpilled

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The very start of Jotaro's fight with Dio was Star Platinum being outclassed in speed AND strength and the only reason ultimately Jotaro won at the very end was constantly targeting the same spot to make it a weakness on Dio's Stand with his leg. I advise you to stop making things up.

>KC can't even one-shot Giorno whose Stand is one of the weakest in terms of physical power out of all the humanoid combat type Stands in the meta-series or put down Bruno even with a punch to the stomach
>TW never has this issue
KCfags are delusional cucks

even if KC can damage TW, Dio wont die, he will recover overtime.

youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9xEEm2isk

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He one-shot them both.
Giorno was saved by the requiem transformation, and Bruno got to live on borrowed time thanks to Giorno. But as far as strenght feats go, Dialovo dealt absolutely fatal blow to each of these two.

So, Star Platinum managed to literally CRACK OPEN the world 2 (two) times but you are saying that the world was physically superior to SP just because, during the whole fight, he only got 1 punch through to his face?
Stop being deluded.

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Nah they had to wait for the sun to come up to finally kill Dio, maybe Jotaro kept beating up the pulsating meat pile to keep him from regenerating until then.

Wasn't the reason DIO "won" in the first engagement because Jotaro was trying to attach magnets to DIO without him noticing?

The real question is how often can king crimson fast forward, and what is the cooldown before using it again?

Clearly he can't use it back to back.

This argument is autistic but people arguing MUH NO HAMON seem to forget how Jotaro almost has Dio in multiple instances before hand and the final punch was not hamon based either.

He smacks his head so hard he can barely move and if not for Josephs body it was game set and match at that point as well.

>maybe Jotaro kept beating up the pulsating meat pile to keep him from regenerating
nigger are you serious?

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Hope DP fixes this shit. He literally had his spine severed and most vital organs destroyed yet somehow survived

You morons seem to forget that Diavolo is invulnerable while King Crimson is active

That just means that it'd be one long ass battle, until either Diavolo figures out the way to kill DIO once and for all, or DIO makes a comeback and dounts the boss.

if Diavole 1st hit on DIO is not the head, its GG for diavolo.

>Diavolo is invulnerable while King Crimson is active
DIO's a Vampire and can survive any thing boss does to him

I don't think you can get Bites the Dust out of your body once it's in there. Even if King Crimson skipped the moment that Killer Queen detonated it, it's still guaranteed to blow your mind any time. The real question is whether Epitaph would be able to show him how to avoid activating it or not. Like, would Diavolo see the sequence play out and think, "I'd better not ask this kid who my enemy is," or would he not realize how it's related to his death?

>cringe
>

See If he's seriously wounded, he's still able to stop time, but he can't fight back.

in a 1v1 with no one else doing shit or asspulls? easy. nigger
>use Epitaph
>see DIO is going to stop time in 10 seconds
>ok then, let's just delete the time
>DIO thinks his time power doesn't work
>DIO: i don't need to stop time to kill you hahaha
>epitaph predicts DIO's attack
>ski´ps time and kills dio after some good chops in the head
the end

>King Crimson erases ten seconds
>It's now three thousand years into the future

That's already pretty similar to what D4C -Love Train- did.

>muh head canon

Cringe.

it seems like btd appears in your eye so it's possible to rip out your eye before it goes off.

How would KC works with bites the dust?

I'm blind. Literally the post before me is talking about it

You fucking twats, you're forgetting DIO won't die to regular strikes. Jotaro killed him through attacking the stand (something that DIavolo never does)

>Polnareff's head is fucking ripped open
Holy shit how do you survive this

>tfw never got to play ASB

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>never does
>punches out Gold Experience arm

dio is handicapped, diavolo is not.
just

SUTANDO POWAH

probably DIO cuz he has maximum stamina because he's a vampire

Reminder that had DIO not died, he would've gained eventual infinite time-stops. Good luck dealing with that shit, KC retards.

Reminder that had Diavolo had not died, he would've gained the Requiem Arrow. Good luck dealing with that shit, DIO retards.

Za warudo oba hebun

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Over Heaven > Requiem

Even if KC got pierced by the arrow, it wouldn't be shit to an infinite time-stop The World much less Eyes over Heaven The World.

>Yea Forumsshit
Might as well consider Jorge Joestar faithful to the story.

>Yea Forums shit
>Jorge Joestar
Are you legitimately a seething brainlet or just a KCfag so deluded you can't cope with anything but shitflinging now?

You cant skip time when time is stopped, fucking retards

WOW so this... is the intellect of... SO haters...whoa

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Their abilities are incompatible unfortunately so you’d never be able to have a fight between them

the world made in heaven.
howwould he get it if polnareff gets killed by dio if

>cope
Love when Yea Forumsermin use their buzzwords.

wait, isn't King Crimson actually moving in erased time which means he stops time and cuts a bit out?
DIO wouldn't have a chance because KC would punch him so much that he becomes a puddle.
DIO couldn't recover...

KC can skip time before time stop is activated

nigger this is a Part3 vs part5 thread
fuck outta here with Trash ocean

>no argument
You aren't fitting in despite your efforts to the contrary, retard.

Clearly the post I responded to was brimming with arguments, imbecile.

Brainlets hating on Part 6 simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand the brilliance of watching a tomboy and her sea-plankton reverse-trap bff beat up faggots shooting flying dildos at them.

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>instigate a response based off an ad hominem and attempt to poison the well at the same time
>expecting a debating etiquette style counter argument
Clearly you are a shithead.

Honestly kind of tough. Dio can only stop time for up to 9 seconds (longest we've seen him stop time) and Diavolo can see the future for 10 seconds with epitath. Here's where shit gets complicated

King Crimson can erase the cause of events, but no the event itself. Best way to describe it is this way: Diavolo sees that in 10 seconds he will punch someone, then get punched by that someone. Since epitath has predicted this future, it cannot be avoided. Those events will play out. With KC however, Diavolo can erase these frames in time to not have happened. He can only effect himself however, and not the other person. So essentially the event would play out, but Diavolo, having used his stand to delete these frames in time, circumvents the effect completely. He removes the cause to the effect, but the effect (guy getting punched) was predicted by epitath, so it is fated to happen, and since the other guy isn't the user of king crimson, he still feels the effects of the actions in that erased time.

But here's where it gets REALLY complicated.

Dio's stand, The World, stops time completely. From an outside perspective, the cause is unseen, and you are only able to see the effect, unless you can enter Dio's world, which only The World and Star Platinum, both having the same time stopping ability, are capable of doing. If Diavolo used Epitath, all he would see is Dio suddenly appearing in front of him, and himself having been attacked during the time stop. Since he can't enter Dio's world, he can't see what happened since time was stopped, even with Epitath, since it didn't happen while time was flowing. He could still use King Crimson to "erase" those frames in time leading up to his attack, but since Dio's World stops time from flowing, he wouldn't be able to erase them, since they technically don't happen during the normal flow of time.

Continued:

This whole debate just comes down to if KC erased time includes the seconds of time is stopped by TW or not. And since we have no way to know, it's a stupid debate.

But part 6 established Dio's objective of reaching heaven, if he hadn't died then he would have easily done so, even if the power he gained from that was lesser than what he gains in EoH he would still wipe the floor with Diavolo's corpse

My name is Satoru Afeku. I'm 89 years old. My house is in the Northeast section of Morioh, where all the Villas are, and I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but seriously 89 years!? I work as an employee for TG University Hospital, and I get home by 8:09 at the latest. It is medically inadvisable to smoke or drink, especially if you want to live to be nearly ninety. I'm in bed by 11, and I make sure to get eight or nine hours of sleep, no matter what. After running down several flights of stairs and doing about twenty minutes of stretchers before going to bed, I usually wake up several times to use the restroom before morning. Just like in 1930, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told at my last check up that I'm 89 years old, huh? I'm trying to explain that i'm a person who wishes to live a very long life. I choose not to trouble myself with any numbers, like 88 or 90, that would cause me to lose hair at night. This is how I deal with aging, and I know that is what brings me longevity. Although, if I were to fight, I would be... Yeah, 89 years old.

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But this begs the question: If King Crimson essentially erases time (cause of effects) but not the effects, and Dio's world technically does have a time limit of 9 seconds, could King Crimson erase all that time? Let's put this into a scenario:
Dio and Diavolo fight. Diavolo uses Epitath to see the future. In the first 3 seconds, he sees Dio approaching him, then suddenly Dio is directly in front of him, and at the 4th second he sustains injuries ( inflicted by The World while Diavolo was frozen in time for 9 seconds and thus could not see what happened with Epitath's prediction) the next 5 seconds is just Diavolo suffering his injuries.
Seeing all this shit in Epitath it is fated to happen. Dio is fated to approach, activate The World for 9 seconds, beat the fuck out of Diavolo, which causes him to suffer his injuries for the next 5 seconds after The World's effect ends. What Diavolo sees is 10 seconds of time pass in the real world. He activates King Crimson, which erases 10 seconds of real world time. This is a very important detail.
While time stops moving for everyone else, it doesn't for Dio. He can still interact with the world around him during his world, but no one else can, because they can't enter Dio's world. Inside Dio's world, time DOES move normally, but only for Dio. Since Epitath can't see what happened in Dio's world, it only sees 10 seconds of real time, but the actual amount of time that passed was 19 seconds. For 9 seconds of that time, no one could see the effects being caused by Dio, but the effects still occurred.
Continued:

dio can stop the time skip if he's fate'd to use it during the time skip as timestop creates a pocket time dimension (as light is seen)
kc just fixes other people's fates

This is the conclusion:
Since Diavolo will see 10 seconds of time out of the 19 seconds that actually passed, he will definitely erase from the state of Epitath, as Dio starts to approach. This is where it gets weird and I honestly don't know how it would interact. If he erases himself from the first 10 seconds to reposition himself, Dio would still "act" out the 3 seconds of approach, then the first 6 out of the 9 seconds of time stop, but the effects he would have caused to Diavolo would not occur. Does that mean he wouldn't catch Diavolo in his time stop to begin with, thus negating the entire effect, or, since Diavolo would technically still be caught in the time stop for the last 3 seconds of The World, would he still be effected by any injuries inflicted during said 3 seconds?

What I think would happen is this: Dio activates time stop, Diavolo erases 3 seconds real time, 6 seconds of Dio's World, then repositions himself, but is then still caught in Dio's world, only repositioned, having sustained none of the injuries inflicted on him during the first 6 seconds. Assuming Dio could locate him within those 3 seconds, he could still potentially inflict mortal wounds on Diavolo, but if he couldn't, Diavolo wins hands down, since The World has a cooldown, and King Crimson seemingly does not, and seeing as how King Crimson is incredibly lethal, I'd give the fight to Diavolo 9 times out of 10.

In Epitaph point of view those 9 seconds would be only 0 second because time is stopped during those ""9 seconds

>Yea Forumsedditor seething
The World Over Heaven is as faithful to JoJo as Jorge Joestar.

Dude we were just discussing a what if scenario.
No need to be a dick about it

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sorry this shit was kind of weird to read. Yea Forums's character limit is kind of a bitch when it comes to cohesive writing since you basically have to split shit up and post it in different posts.

The ultimate point is that we don't know what would DIO gain from "reaching heaven", or what would Diavolo gain from King Crimson Requiem.

>still no argument
Cool story, so let's do a run down my try-hard seething KCfag:

>Dio was going to eventually end up with the ability to permanently stop time as long as he wants
>You have no idea what KC would develop had it got the Stand arrow to gain its own Requiem ability
So by Occham's Razor > Dio would still be greater than Diavolo. Now kill yourself.

The stuff that Pucci was doing in part 6 is what DIO would've done if he lived

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>he doesn't like dicks
this is a jojo thread. be gay, you faggot

not him but I'd say the same to you tripfag-kun.
off you go.

This makes sense to me. If Diavolo can erase 10 seconds of time, but Dio is still fated to activate Za Warudo, Diavolo would change his position during the time he erased, but if he only erased half the time he spent in Za Warudo, he would technically still be caught inside it when King Crimson's time erasure ended, so Dio could still kill him.

Not the same guy but The World Over Heaven isn't canon. It's much more likely that Dio would get MiH type of stand and that's certainly more counterable

This is plain silly, we are just conjecuring about the powers of dead antagonists and getting worked over it. DIO mastering time stop sure kills Diavolo. No need to go further on.
But Requiem Arrow is just another thing. Some say it works with the desires of the Stand user, if that's the case then Diavolo woule be anonymous or succeeds in erasing his past, I don't know.

To be more precise, what the user desires the moment they get pierced by the arrow

Whoever activates their ability first wins

>be gay

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pretty much

King Crimson hard counters The World by default even without the absurd precognition and overpowered strength Diavolo uses to kill half of the main cast.

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>The World has a cooldown, and King Crimson seemingly does not

Thought it was mostly the other way around. Look at how many times DIO fucked with Polnareff on the stairs. It seemed more like he was cagey against abusing The World against Jotaro because he was sure Star Platinum could move in his world.

Stands rely on the stamina of the user in order to use their abilities. DIO being a Vampire has insane stamina which is why he spams timestop until Jotaro bluffs him into not relying on it. Diavolo would tire much faster, weakening KC's abilities.

yeah I honestly don't know. I haven't read jojo in years so I was mostly going off memory + wiki pages and archived posts

>King Crimson is way stronger than star Platinum

Bullshit, it's been debunked in part 6. Gay priest confirmed that SP is the strongest stand, disk of which would be rejected by any other than Jotaro, also made in heaven is stronger.

I would say it's the precog that gives diavolo the edge.
Without the precog he wont be able to see into the future.

And if DIO is smart enough to stay out of KC's range.

The World has an 8m range advantage over King Crimson. If DIO activates The World outside of KC's range, he could donut Diavolo before he even has a chance to use Epitaph.

You are one daft dummy.

The time skip is greater than 2m dum dum

Easy as pie

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Based retard

Based

hope this makes sense

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holy shit

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>Boss is stronger than Jotaro or Dio and can do the same

Where does this myth come from? You folks should reread

you're actually autistic for creation this

Despite that he is hard counter to and Diavolo as they can't fucking do shit to him beyond donuting which he can very easily regen from and that's assuming they're strong enough to do so in the first place, Dio himself can't touch him because his body passively absorbs vampires and humans alike+has active hamon aura.

Part 5 fags truly are retarded

Considering time is stopped and the next 5-10 seconds technically didn't happen in timestop, KC can't skip it.

Timestop is a void of sorts, it wouldn't work like this. Diavolo can't erase time that isn't happening.

>for creation this

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But it is happening. If the effect can be clearly seen, then that means time is still flowing in some way.
Dio's world isn't just a void. It's best described as a sort of advanced time dilation.

How is the time not happening? Its in the timeline so it happens

The non retatd scenario:
>TW activates
>It doesnt because KC skips it
>DIO gets donuted
>DIO survives, Diavolo takes note and destroys his head next time
DIO literally cant win, only Damage-Over-Time stands and long range area denial automatic stands can beat KC

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Can Funny Valentine defeat anyone?

Objectively wrong. KC doesn't erase all cause. If KC erases the point where TW activates, TW will still activate. Events that occur inside of time erasure still occur as they are fated to occur. KC only allows Diavolo to alter his own fate during time erasure.

So essentially if KC activated right as dio activated is time stop, dio would beat the shit out of Diavolo, as he is fated to do so, but KC would erase that time. Dio would still be hitting where Diavolo was, but Diavolo wouldn't actually be getting hit, thus when TW ends, Diavolo is now behind Dio with no injuries ready to donut him.

Yes but he's too lazy

>Gay priest confirmed that SP is the strongest stand
>also made in heaven is stronger
make up your fucking mind user

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STOP!

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So he see's it happen and skips the world smashing his head apart.

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What would Dios requiem stand be like?

No, he fucking cant, time proceeds as normal, hell "get" to the point the stop happens, then be a fucking sitting duck for DIO

Over Heaven

Except that's not what would happen, DIO would stop time before Diavolo uses KC and gets blown to pieces. The mistake you fags make is that you assume KC is activated as if Diavolo has full knowledge of The World.

KC doesn't stop time, he edits out time (process), leaving only the fated outcome. It's confusing because he himself avoids fate by being able to see the future.

He can't avoid a fate he can't predict, he activates KC, gets behind DIO, TW activates sometime in those 10 seconds, DIO sees a sperg behind him, punches his head in. Done. Can't move within stopped time.

>DIO sees a sperg behind him
He doesn't see shit. Time is being erased. DIO's entire timestop, no matter how long it is from his perspective, will also be erased. That means DIO isn't consciously aware of what's happening.

Dio doesn't make some tiny pocket dimension of stopped time, he stops time completely, KC cant skip time that hasn't passed.

KC had the best arc ever in Jojo with KCvsMetallica. Just for giving us that godly tier arc it's better.

>this thread

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KC has no cd, it just all up to Diavolo's Stamina and Reaction time. Which is why it's weak against multiple enemies.

Really? I always thought that DIO would have his own twist on the plan.

>Gay priest never had access to KC

What authors was DIO confirmed to have liked? I can see him liking Herman Hesse giving he was all about spiritual enlightenment and aestheticism.

Dio stops reality
Diavolo literally removes himself from reality.

>Pulls another Diavolo from an AU
>KC skips time
>Literally can't do anything, even if he kills AU Diavolo, they'll still dice
>All Valentine has to do is hold off KC while he drops his flag, easy shit with a stand as strong as D4C

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Based part7fag

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Kira is the cutest big baddie.

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>Time stop outside of KC's range.

Dio wins everytime

>Giorno and the gang were 2 meters away from the boss.

Me

I like Diavolo more than Dio, but I honestly think that Dio has a lot more going for him in a fight between the two. Diavolo has the potential to put up a decent fight though, so he's no pushover either.