・oishi is working on a DavidPro(leak) ・Shinbo's project involvements is already decided for multiple years ahead (leak)。There are currently a lot of project in scripting/screenplay writing phase (public) ・Magi record was suppose to have Numata Seiya田 directing at first but that ended up changing。The otoko matsuri(prob miyamoto) seems to be directing (see next rumor) ・Otoko Matsuri is directing 2 projects this year。Ootani Hajime谷 is doing for one SD (not sure on this part)。 ・シャフトに反発したPというのは本庄谷と菅原尚。(this one is annoying to do, maybe later) ・Kawabata Takashi畑 does not seem concerned with doing production(?, not sure what the term is in anime 演出 - probably staging?) for shaft again。 ・Itamura quitting himself seems to be true as well as being abusive with power。Yoshizawa MidoriZW seems to have come back because he finally left. ・N田 will continue to stay with Shaft。 ・Generation shift is happening in the company。There are even rumors of sucide attempts and major staff purges。 ・O石M(Ooishi Mie) is shit。It's mostly Shinbo fixing up his stuff。 ・Staff is flowing to diomedia group and david pro。The earlier is mostly loosing group。(not sure)
>・oishi is working on a DavidPro(leak) Please be true.
Gavin Baker
masaka..
Blake Wright
R.I.P in peace Shaft. Long Live Davidpro
Jacob Richardson
Most likely will be on Fire Force with Morioka Hideyuki (Kizu, SzS, and Maria Holic character designer.
Jonathan Jones
Wait, Magi Reco is being made by SHAFT? The end result would be better if they just handle it to JC Staff, and i'm being serious. SHAFT should just stick with Monogatari and then die with it
John Thomas
The art already looks pretty good now so whoever is doing art design lead looks to be nailing it for this, possibly even more so then Bones did with old Soul Eater.
Jace Johnson
Shaft is trash so good fucking riddance.
Connor Young
>oishi is working on a DavidPro(leak) Jojo part 6 confirmed masterpiece.
Mason Lewis
>oishi working on David Pro maybe the Steel Ball Run anime won't have CGI horses after all
>シャフトに反発したPというのは本庄谷と菅原尚。(this one is annoying to do, maybe later) These two Producers are opposing their management? >Kawabata Takashi畑 does not seem concerned with doing production(?, not sure what the term is in anime 演出 - probably staging?) for shaft again
演出/Enshutsu or episode direction, to sum it up it's like organizing the animators work, storyboard given to them, matching voice acting work etc.
Either way this info just gives more context to what we already knew with staff members leaving. Whether the rumors are true the fact is that there is a change in their output and staff. Shaft isn't dead in terms of producing more shows in the future, just dead in the creative sense that they leaked a lot of talent.
Kayden Howard
They couldn't milk the Monogatari series as much as they wanted to. Their Zaregoto adaptation was horrible. And other than those things, their choices in anime have been either shit, or they just adapted them as bad as they could.
Jaxon Davis
>Most of the staff who defined Shaft since Shinbo arrival now left the studio Damn sad
Levi Ross
I wish they ditched Shinbo and made a new studio with Oishi
Oliver Murphy
>sucide attempts and major staff purges Shaft literally killing themselves. Goodbye
I dont think anyone could’ve predicted Fire Force turning into Kizu TV but here we are.
Juan Myers
don't really care except for maybe hidamari and monogatari
Adam Gutierrez
>・O14はデイヴィッドプロダクションで働いている(リーク) Please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die please be true and let shaft die
Ayden Lopez
I mean, it's no secret the only reason shaft is still revlevant today is because they keep putting out formulaicgatari every year, I don't recall them doing anything noteworthy besides carriedbyVAsgatari in the last 5 years.
It's funny because all of the old guard is dying, including kyoani. After Tsurune and the new Hibike movie failed to make money they're in a complicated spot, if that VEG movie doesn't do well they're absolutely fucked. >mfw anime will actually die
As long as shinbo is there and they keep making money with monogatari, they can always build up again. Think of it like rebuilding in sports. They peaked in the late 2000s/early 2010s and will generate a new generation of talent.
Brody Miller
>kyoanus will die before making the Cake /Milf focused show FUCKKKKKKKKK
That's literally the VEG movie though, the protagonist and every single one of those female characters that were around her age will be cakes.
Tyler Cruz
I want a SOL not a fucking drama
Henry Hall
????????????????????
Cooper Perez
Again, that's literally the VEG movie. The director already said it was going to be lighthearted and not another piece of tragedy where people die or get shot/stabbed/whatever.
Brayden Moore
>シャフトに反発したPというのは本庄谷と菅原尚 This says "there are two producers going against Shaft, (Honjoutani?) and Sho Sugawara"
Evan Gomez
Shaft wasted most of time making the monogatari movie.
Jason Diaz
>Monogatari didn't save SHAFT Proves Bake fans are just poorfag hipsters who don't have their own income
Leo Gutierrez
演出 is basically episode director.
> In the past, "Ensutsu" referred to the act of directing a movie. It's still that way in movies and TV dramas.
> In both cases, the person credited as "Enshutsu" instructs the actors and image finishing following the storyboard. This work is called Enshutsu shori [演出処理 - Enshutsu processing]. Although the storyboard is often drawn by the enshutsu, sometimes the positions of Storyboarding and Enshutsu are separated when the current division of labor has progressed.
> The Enshutsu checks the layout and key frame when one is available, and if it's as intended, sends it to the animation director, if not, makes corrections and issues a retake. Additionally, they assist the director, attend recording, dubbing and editing, meet with the art team, the colouring team and the photography team, process retakes of finished cuts, produce PVs and so on. Although they usually come from a career in production advancement or as animator, there are many cases where they come from different departments, such as art (Kenji Kamiyama), finishing (Kunitoshi Okajima), and photography (Hiroshi Nishikori, Seiji Mizushima and others). In recent years especially, photographers specialised in digitalisation and CG graduates have become more prominent. It's one of the duties in which the personality of the person in charge is demonstrated, and, similar to the section of animation, the section in which in a lot of cases the decision between good work and bad work is made.
Elijah Richardson
this.
shaft == shinbo as this point.
Isaiah Morgan
Rate my taste in cakes.
I am on hard mode and have not watched 9/10 of these shows.
The only good thing from Shaft in the last 5 years was 3-gatsu and they never announced a 3rd season, so it shows how dead are they. Rip in pizza i guess
>projecting THIS hard Nice to know you're in charge of the studio's finances
Robert Fisher
>・Shinbo's project involvements is already decided for multiple years ahead (leak) There are currently a lot of project in scripting/screenplay writing phase (public) Stopped reading here. Who fucking cares about the rest? Shaft is Shinbo and Shinbo is Shaft. Bake conveyor and occasional good series once a few years saturated by sea of mediocrity is how Shaft always was, and if we look at current state bake conveyor has no end in sight and 3-gatsu was not that long ago.
Liam Morales
I imagine they caught up to the manga, user.
Colton Miller
Bake is one of the best selling anime BDs of all time. People can only buy so much of the same before they run out of disposable income/interest and the Monogatari series as a whole has been on a gradual decline since losing the involvement of most of the team Shinbou people. The only value Shinbou actually offers Shaft is his ability to train new staff. In all other regards, Shinbou is dead.
Jason Sanders
Both KyoAni and SHAFT started losing momentum when they stopped pandering to otaku, though this has been more of a thing on KyoAni's end. SHAFT has done a few shows that would have been good, but they just lacked that SHAFT-feel to them. Just think of Zaregoto. It was one of the most anticipated adaptions ever, but it just fell flat.
Regarding KyoAni, its' funny because before 2010 plenty of people here chastised them for otaku pandering and lack of artistic value, but it was that "pandering" that made their shows fun. Now their shows look much better and definitely have more artistic value (though, I guess this would be relative), but just look at shows like Tamako Market, KnK, Hibikek and VEG, they all look nice, but they just lack something. Even shows that would look like otaku stuff like Amaburi, Chuu2 and MnPW, they were all just meh...
Jaxson Brown
Kyoanus is just shit. And they never stopped pandering.
You just confused generic otaku with moetards.
Carter Ross
...
Blake Miller
3 gatsu sucks
Daniel Bailey
>Shaft stopped pandering to otaku I didn't think this was true at first but I looked through a list of everything they've produced this decade and it's almost exclusively adaptations of popular sources (in an obvious attempt of finding more mainstream success). The only shows that don't fit that category are 3-gatsu, which aired during the day on NHK and was sponsored by the Japan Shogi Association and Fireworks which just feels like a generic popcorn flick in the same vein of something Shinkai.
Adam Wilson
Nah, their newer shows definitely feel like an attempt at getting more mainstream. Their newer shows are basically teen drama.
Xavier Hughes
>jojo part 6 by shaft yes please
James Reed
Not so. They only adapted 9 1/2 volumes of the manga and Volume 14 was released 5 months ago.
Also hoping for a Season 3 at least. That's the one that will cover the dad arc if it does get adapted.
>Shaft is Shinbou Incorrect >Bake conveyor and occasional good series once a few years saturated by sea of mediocrity is how Shaft always was Incorrect. How many Shaft anime have you actually seen?
Jeremiah Martinez
SHAFT died in my heart after the 00’s, but I’ll never forget what you did, Shinbo.
Eli Diaz
SHAFT made anything worthwhile in the 2000s? They just mostly worked on joint projects with other studios, mostly gainax, until 2007 with Hedemi Sketch and Zetsubou Sensei.
Owen Cooper
tsukuyomi?
nekomimi moddo
Easton Hughes
3-gatsu
Ryder Butler
Hello? Pani Poni Dash? Still the best SHAFT show to date.
Oliver Gomez
Shaft already died once after most of them move to silver link. This is the final nail in the coffin.
Leo Brown
They still failed to properly add in the nipples and more that the manga had.
Jaxon Wilson
For what you just said they still need 1 more volume for that S3.
Andrew Jenkins
>Most How much of the shaft migrate to SL? Besides oonuma
Noah Allen
what will happen to maeda kun?
Jack Harris
Only Oonuma moved to SL. It's a misconception people always have because he wears his shaft influence on his sleeves whenever he directs.
If anything, it's all of Aniplex's bitch studios that are inheriting all the shaft staff.
Anthony Hill
Sure: Ef Pani Poni Dash He is My Master Hidamari Sketch Maria Holic Natsu no Arashi Madoka Bakemonogatari REC SZS This Ugly Yet Beautiful World
You could count Arakawa and Sore Demo, but they came out in 2010.
Juan Wilson
Is there something about core Shaft animators, genchiro abe for example? What are the chances that he will be involved in some VA episode?
Worst fanbase of newfags and cancers. A fanbase that brings a lot of normalfags to shitpost as well.
Zachary Harris
Kyoani lots its appeal to me after they switched to inbred competition adaptations. They increased their output of series and movies by 4-5 times while decreasing their production quality (which was at its peak around Hyouka).
Shaft went the opposite direction; they used to adapt 3-5 interesting series every year in questionable quality yet original style, but after Madoka they did less and less new series while being barely better quality (doing shit like Mekaku, Nisekoi, and Fate didn't help either).
Elijah Baker
Sure they were joint productions but we really knew who was really helming them.
The only thing that can save shaft is Shinbo makign 7th Vampire anime in his career
Jackson Price
Is this bait?
Ryan Adams
Yamaga and Saeki are both Gainax dudes.
Brandon Rogers
Every studio ever that challenged KyoAni got destroyed. Shaft was destroyed long ago already, at time of Denpa Onna - what remained is was rotting husk.
Hudson Evans
They should start including uncensored nipples again to try to save it.
Christian Hall
He comes the leddit monogatari guy and his memes.
Dylan Anderson
Nourin is shit. Do not confuse it with real classic, Noucome.
fuck no a single opening from SHAFT at their peak contain more soul than the entire kyoani lifetime
Owen Collins
>After Tsurune failed to make money Tsurune is they money pipe right now, you absolutly have not the slightest idea what you talk about. They can't keep making merch fast enought to satisfy fujo demand. >new Hibike movie failed Oh, you are just a troll. Sorry for wasting tie.
Adam Nelson
>N田 will continue to stay with Shaft。 I feel like this is about AbeGen. He did a lot of work on Fate/Extra and I think he was on the crystar OP. I think he’s one of the few old pillars whose staying out of obligation at this point.
Also, I think it’s more likely we’ll see Oishi on FF Than Jojo.
Jeremiah Brown
>he thinks a slave studio actually recives money from aniplexx for BD sales and stuff >some people actually think Madoka/Monogatari made Shaft rich ahahahaha oh wow
Ethan Green
>Tsurune is they money pipe right now nani I haven't followed tsurune stuff since the show ended. I just assumed that it flew under everyone's radar since nobody's talking about it.
>Incorrect Correct. >Incorrect Correct. >How many Shaft anime have you actually seen? 45
Matthew Adams
Its not as big as Free, especially on west - but its quite popular in japan and LNs and merch sell very well to a point KA Esma and KyoAni are keeping shilling it to death even now long after it aired, holding events, releasing new merch etc.
Which most likely means S2 or Movie will be made as well - sadly, since while it was decent show at this point i`ll be just fanservice for group of obsessed fangirls like Natsume seasons/movies.
Landon Harris
Hot damn, I knew studios outsourced animators, but I never realized it was this bad.
Xavier Perez
this is really depressing, SHAFT is the reason i got into anime because of their negima adaptation (it was shit, i know) and ive always enjoyed their show since then, even the mediocre ones. here's to remember the happy times i guess
Arakawa and random irrelevant shit such as Soremachi is considered old now? I don't give any of these anime a high rating. Arakawa was fun if you ignore the shit point they were trying to force/make it could've been done without that, shaft love to try to be pretentious/2deep4u, they always do a poor job at it or effusing the sense of matureand a lot of other shit to put up with associated to style, however I'd argue that Maria Holic and denpa are the only relevant ones in that list. And fuck paniponi dash, that attract bad company.
Seriously, come to think about it, good riddance. To me, shaft are monkeys. This is what I truly feels. When they aren't doing monogatari shit, they use anime to insert their crap. I hope they fuck off to another medium or platform to do their "weird" and "abstract" shit. There will always be anime like Penguindrum and Tamami Galax to pander to Shaft's shit audience.
Jace Allen
seething pleb
Josiah Morales
>That Denpa Onna OP
Damn, that was hella experimental, huh?
Ryder Bennett
Tatami Galaxy. That's the other way around.
Matthew Rivera
>n-no u Maybe take a break from posting for a few minutes and you'll be able to calm down.
Carson Jenkins
>it panders to somebody else rather than me, therefore it shouldn't exist Come on now.
Logan Price
My jimmies remain unrustled. That audience's a vocal cancerous audience.
Asher Clark
Still susceptible to criticism. I would go as far as to say that these kind of works often don't even pander to the anime audience at all.
Brandon Nelson
Then you are delusional.
John Wilson
There's always a niche. Jojo, for example, is widely popular but attuned to a niche.
Joseph Russell
Monogatari is literally fan service the anime, you would know this if you were browsing Yea Forums during airing instead of reddit
Xavier Nguyen
>I would go as far as to say that these kind of works often don't even pander to the anime audience at all Define "the anime audience".
Aaron Nelson
Visually, yes. The monogatari-side is a slightly different base but not that distinct from each other.
Jason Perez
I'll define it as "the anime audience" which would be something to do with demographic.
Dylan Jenkins
OK.
Connor Cox
fuck off kyoanusfag
Jeremiah Kelly
What the fuck am I reading? You titlets can't even form your own opinion without someone else feeding it you?
Michael James
Going by how many shows they've animated since Madoka and Monogatari I'm not surprised at all and I thought they had already died a long while ago.
Oliver Cook
>complains about fanservice >then accuses others of being from reddit Nice self-awareness there. I'm being ironic by the way.
Noah Johnson
I thought kyoani only wanted to kill monogatari not the whole studio.
Evan Gutierrez
>Wait, Magi Reco is being made by SHAFT? Are you fucking retarded, user?
Jack Nguyen
>hurr kyoani x shaft I guess that was to be expected from the only studios newfags can easily recognize
Landon Scott
Did Gekidan Inu Curry do any work for any other studios? Their work is pretty neat to look at, and I wonder just how far they could go with using/modifying an artstyle like that.
Beating a dead horse feels good. Better do it now than when it were still all full of energy and standing strong- that could last forever, but fortunately, didn't. The horse is beaten now, the horse is dead, we all gather up and beat the now dead horse.
Jack Davis
To be quite honest, shaft anime hasn't had an actual creative direction since madoka.
Christian Perez
Madoka by itself is overrated.
Carson Reed
Compared to what shaft peak was, yeah.
Justin Nguyen
I really don't want to ask you what's that peak you're referring to.
Nathaniel Perry
Around SzS first season.
Elijah Myers
We have different standards, I guess.
Jordan Nelson
>2017 SHAFT is dead >2018 SHAFT is dead >2019 SHAFT is dead
oishi literally only did the kizu movies in the last 10 years
>Studio founded on imitating Shinbo's style of directing >old guard leaving so that the younger takes over and cycle continues >Shaft is dead!!1one I don't get it.
Luis Rodriguez
>studios going bankrupt >people here are somehow happy about it are you guys literal retards?
Adam White
Not pandering to otaku is the financially sane decision. Not only non-otaku are the vast majority but non-otaku are also emotionally stable and don't simply lash at productions over stupid shit like a het relationship.
Anthony Cruz
>rent free SoulEaterfags are hilarious.
Evan Sanchez
creative destruction t. schumpeter
Parker Gray
'Sup SHAFTfag. Remember to stay properly hydrated through all of your crying.
Grayson Kelly
Monogatari is fucking modern art you pleb
David Robinson
>Excessive fanservice on par with fairy tail >Empty symbolism for the sake of being "exotic" >Bland character designs >Firefighters? Lol, nice try capeshits! >Generic plot and seting FF is pretty much a step down from SE in every way
I think it's clear that the industry is a shadow of its former self post-2012, and that's in no small part due to Shaft and KyoAni both losing their magic and descending into formulaic mediocrity. It has always been a shame to see the fanbases pitted against each other because both studios are responsible for some of the greatest anime of the mid-late 00s and early 10s. Those days are over now. Although I believe they can still make a pretty good anime every once in awhile, it would be ignorant at this point to say that they are any better than other studios.
>Shaft died >Kyoani won THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
Colton Lee
Aniplex really ran Shaft into the ground.
Chase Martin
This, they sucked shaft dry and now they'll just move on to another studio.
Liam Martinez
I mean, it's not like they have any reason to stop using Shaft. They also have Ufotable and A-1 is literally owned by them, so they have plenty of bitches.
Joshua White
I only like KyoAni's "moe" works, like K-On, nichijou, maid dragon, lucky star. Their "detailed" works like veg, amaburi, phantom world, chuuni, hibike feel a bit too generic.
Connor Bell
But Silver Link is going to shitter too. In fact, everything they did since 2018 is shit and looks shit.
Caleb Rogers
If shaft is bleeding staff to other studios and losing their identity then Aniplex has no use for them
Ethan Hughes
I can't wait for the bar being so low that I can release my own anime to high praise.
You only like shit then. Thank God they decided to abandon the CGDCT trash.
Ryder Ward
Are you retarded? That's not No-Rin.
Tyler Rivera
But user, everything they make is a moe work. >Classic Lucky Star K-On Haruhi Nichijou Hyouka FMP >Pretty Good Kanon Clannad Amaburi Hibike Maid Dragon >OK VEG Chuuni Free Tamako Market >If you like these you should stop watching anime Chuuni 2 Phantom World Kyoukai no Kanata Anything I forgot about or didn't watch
Aiden Thomas
Hyouka isn't classic. Nichijou is not classic, no, not quite. Amaburi, Hibike and Maid Dragon are trash. VEG, FREE and Tamako are utterly trash. Chunni is not trash but is not that good, either.] (You) should stop watching anime as well.
Anthony James
Do you really think the suits at Aniplex give a shit what a bunch of irrelevant internet posters think about Shaft's "identity"? Shaft is still a recognizable brand, they're still capable of animating, and they still make them money.
Logan Gray
The funny thing is its Shaft that destroyed that story.All the guy could do was give hints of stuff being cut out. Should have been given to more competent people that actually cared rather than lazy asshats who just copy paste monogatari on to everything. Fuck this studio
Jackson Walker
Forgot to say: Hyouka is shit and Nichijou is ok.
Nicholas Smith
Urobuchi also have to fall.
Justin Sullivan
Despite my feelings towards some of them Lucky star, k-on and haruhi are the only classics there (and clannad I guess) otherwise... lol veg is trash I'm sorry kyoanifags
Elijah Martinez
>itt anons pretend poorly to know what they're talking about
Landon Cox
You wish, reddit newass. Nobody is pretending. Just feeding you free spoons so you can pretend later. Everybody is sick of this generation.
Asher Reyes
But shaft is only recognizable amongst irrelevant internet losers. They aren’t Ghibli, or Toei or even Kyoani
Josiah Campbell
Is hilarious how they shit on both studios that at least try to do something different, when both die you will be stuck with mediocre studios and their isekai adaptation #2426142, yeah keep laughing....
Cooper Martin
>Two highest selling series of the past decade >Keeps getting high-profile properties to adapt >Journalists wank over them constantly >Not recognizable Think again. Keep in mind we're talking about relevance to ANIME FANS in JAPAN, not random normalfags who only know about Spirited Away and DBZ. You know, the people who actually contribute to the market?
Noah Price
Holy shit taste batman. Violet, Hyouka and Koe no Katachi are the only Kyoani works I'd ever recommend to people I don't want to troll or seasoned vets that really like good cinematography and storytelling in animu. Maybe K-On and Liz for the latter group I mentioned.
Everything else either requires niche taste or the absence of a functional brain to enjoy, especially Phantom World and Munto..
Robert Sanders
Shaft owns the Madoka IP you colossal retard.
Lincoln Hernandez
This. Becoming an Aniplex slave studio is never a good idea. Bones completely broke off from Aniplex after the Star Driver movie in 2013.
Owen Brown
Trigger is also working with different production companies, and we know the state of Ufotable. Just what is it that Aniplex does to studios?
Logan Carter
If you genuinely think that Violet is their best then I don't know what to say. I can understand liking it, but it's pitiful in comparison to what they've done in the past and what other studios have done. KyoAni's best shows are comedies or slice of life, they fucking suck for drama. All of the cases where they managed to do drama right were when they had exceptional source material. And they haven't had exceptional source material since before they started their own LN imprint.
Ayden Bailey
>we'll never get the follow up to Rebellion
Ian Lee
This is actually a good thing. Rebellion shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Mason Brooks
All those memes about shaft being Aniplex's slaves turned out to be true. Sad to see this studio go down, but the writing was on the wall
Nathaniel Torres
>Shaft's last anime will be some gacha trash adaptation nobody asked for
The absolute state
Landon Fisher
is this kyoani x shaft competition pure fanbase delusion or did something actually happened between them?
Lucas Edwards
>Two studios are both good and popular >Shaft is the best! >No, KyoAni is the best! >You have shit taste! >No u! That's it.
Adrian Ortiz
it's just vapid Yea Forums-tier studio wars, you'd be wise to disregard it
Tyler Anderson
The fact is their past works were all set in Japanese high schools and sacrificed characterization for cuteness and/or exaggerated gags - with a few exceptions of course. Childish is how I'd describe their older stuff.
Elijah Sanchez
This is actually a good thing. Rebellion is a nice true end.
Ian James
Shaft used to reference Kyoani in their shows about how good they were as a studio. This was back in the day when shaft still had personality before they got the Aniplex parasite.
landscapes, buildings and closeups Actually creative shots
Dylan Phillips
・the point -----------------------------> [your head]
Ayden Robinson
Sure Nasudrone keep thinking it was le evul Shaft and le evulll Sakurai who ruined Nasu trash and cringe speshualll OC donut steel with hatred powers the anime
you're right, this image isn't very flattering for Nichijou. I love Nichijou anyway, though. Visual direction isn't everything, and I would say the same for the others. VEG might have more impressive visual direction, but Hibike's other strengths put it higher for me. I didn't like the second season much though.
Julian Brown
>Staff is flowing to diomedia What a fucking waste.
Benjamin Morris
Diomedea made a couple of good shows. Years ago.
Nolan Williams
If SHAFT dies Madoka dies with it too
Liam Fisher
Not necessarily, shaft is only one company out of like six in Madoka partners. They probably just get bought out
Nolan Long
See you next year in the next RIP SHAFT thread.
Christian Sanchez
nice cherrypicking, their shows have nice cds but shitty ugly fucking 3dcg backgrounds. part of me will miss them but part of me feels like good riddance for shit like this
