One Piece

>fully incorporate the shounen power system into the world after all that time in a way that makes perfect sense
I don't know, the fact that the Marines actually teach Haki to soldiers, but Luffy never a single Haki using marine until his grandfather on Water 7, and Sabaody later still. Is kind of a plot hole. Even CP9 given Rob Lucci is some top Government agent should arguably have been put on the fast track to learning Haki and not just Rokushoki and I don't think Oda really fully understood what he wanted to do with Haki at this point since he didn't start introducing the concept until Jaya.

Hell, Crocodile not knowing Haki when he's shown to be a meticulous trainer for his own fruit doesn't make sense either. Dude used to run around the New World, same as Gekko Mori but neither know even something as basic as armament haki.

>I don't know, the fact that the Marines actually teach Haki to soldiers, but Luffy never a single Haki using marine until his grandfather on Water 7, and Sabaody later still. Is kind of a plot hole. Even CP9 given Rob Lucci is some top Government agent should arguably have been put on the fast track to learning Haki and not just Rokushoki and I don't think Oda really fully understood what he wanted to do with Haki at this point since he didn't start introducing the concept until Jaya.

Looking at the power balance and geography in One Piece I think almost everyone that knows haki is just thrown into the New World cause that's where every front line of global conflicts is. World Government is the strongest faction but it still needs to send almost every haki user to the New World to not lose any ground to Yonkos and wannabe Yonkos. About CP9 training rokushiki and not haki I think people that are physically exceptional and just know how to fight have an enormous advantage over people that are trained in haki without training the core abilities first. I mean look at Amazon Lily, the girls there can break rocks with their arrows and predict your movements but someone with a superior stamina, wit, and a DF can beat them. I'm a firm beliver that Rob Lucci at this point is the strongest assets to the WG in the same tier as Admirals preciesely because just like Luffy he was already insanely strong without haki, and now he has haki on top of all his core power. If you learn Haki to early you can end up just like Logias in the New World, relying on that ability and not growing until someone faster, stronger and smarter stomps you.

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Armament and Observation haki only became a thing around Sabaody/Amazon Lily. The shield haki became a thing now. Oda is just adding layers as time goes to combat the powercreep. More to come, I'm sure. None of this was planned and that's ok.

>I don't think Oda really fully understood what he wanted to do with Haki
This is probably the case, but he has done a good job weaving haki into the story regardless. CP9 not having haki and luffy not encountering haki users in paradise aren't plotholes. They can be explained away without contradictions to the plot if you care to do so. Same with crocodile.
>Dude used to run around the New World, same as Gekko Mori but neither know even something as basic as armament haki.
They both got beaten and sent back to paradise proving they weren't ready for the new world to begin with. Remember, Haki is ambition/will based. Seeing how those two lost their drives for some time and settled down in the first half of the grandline for years gives some credit as to why they weren't proficient haki users. Croc seemed to have changed over time and rekindled his drive to move forward, but moria, while he says he wants to be PK, is very slothful and would rather have others do the work for him. I would call bullshit if moria was an adept haki user.

>Hell, Crocodile not knowing Haki when he's shown to be a meticulous trainer for his own fruit doesn't make sense either. Dude used to run around the New World, same as Gekko Mori but neither know even something as basic as armament haki.

They both hit the wall in the New World and had to go back. They got completely BTFO probably because they didn't know haki. You've got some SH and Bege that don't seem to show signs of using haki but they run around New World just fine but won't go as far as Yonkos in their careers. Also Kidd and Law didn't seem to know Haki when they were entering New World, they learned it on the spot. Overall I think they just got filtered because they didn't know haki, Crocodile because he was relying too much on his Logia DF to bother learning it and Moria cause he was too cocky and got destroyed too soon to learn it. If they learned Haki before their crews were destroyed and lives ruined they would probably be Yonkos right now, but that's life for you.

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Someone punching Akainu with Haki in their fists doesn't stop Akainu from being a fucking magma man.
Punching Akainu burns your fists, no matter how many layers of Haki you have on, because unlike your retarded ass thinks, Haki acts nothing like seastone, and you're unironically too stupid for One Piece.

No, it's the exact same thing Sentoumaru and Rayleigh did, the deflection with their hands/palms. It can just be used for the entire body if absolutely needed by redirecting the flow.

>Observation haki only became a thing around Sabaody/Amazon Lily
Mantra was Haki my dude. Just like the Samurai have this name for Armament Haki. And the shield haki was a thing on Sabaody when the admirals stopped White Beards initial attack with the retcon saying that sumo axe guy also used it.
I don't see the reason to defend possible plot inconsistencies if we're going to acknowledge up front that the writer was adding new concepts into his story somewhat clumsily. Case in point, neither Moria nor Crocodile took their ejection from the New World sitting down. Crocodile began a massive criminal network and Moria started building a new army to avenge his nakama. Neither guy was lacking in drive or ambition so why are they suddenly not allowed to realize they lack a skill and learn it? Ice admiral lost his bid for fleet admiral so should he lose his Haki now?
So why can't they learn it afterwards in preparation for their new attacks on the world? You think Moria wouldn't benefit from haki when he's going to square off against Kaido the dragon?

>So why can't they learn it afterwards in preparation for their new attacks on the world? You think Moria wouldn't benefit from haki when he's going to square off against Kaido the dragon?
Fuck if I know. Maybe you need a haki trainer and they don't have one.

>if we're going to acknowledge up front that the writer was adding new concepts into his story somewhat clumsily
I don't. I said he did a good job adding it throughout the story. We have numerous examples of haki before Amazon Lily. There's nothing wrong with building upon your power system over time and adding more layers even if you don't have everything 100% planned out from the start.

>Case in point, neither Moria nor Crocodile took their ejection from the New World sitting down.
We don't know how they took it. Was giving one possible scenario where they probably took it badly considering they retreated to paradise and decided to settle down instead of going back into the new world. We don't know what happened. All we can do is speculate why they didn't learn it. Lack of ambition? No to teach them? Who knows. Maybe Croc just focused on training his DF and never bothered with haki.

>Mantra
It was a stand alone power of Skypeans, which later became observation haki.
>And the shield haki was a thing on Sabaody
Not really. If it was, Big Mom, Cracker, Katakuri or Doflamingo would've used it. But it's acceptable to believe it was. It's not acceptable to believe characters of that caliber wouldn't know about it.

And just to conclude, Oda like to leave doors open for the future. Like when Katakuri said that there were things that surpassed armament haki, while using power mochi. It displays he plans on doing something extra, on taking it to another level. He doesn't necessarily have it figured by now, but it's referenced for the future, when he does come up with something.

If we go by your logic, then cracker should also be able to view into the future like katakuri. Big mom too, yet we haven't seen any indication of that being the case. She probably doesn't have it. Would that be weird? No, not really. Everyone has different things they are good/bad at.

>establish powers that can't be beaten by punching harder
>too lazy to come up with weaknesses for them
>establish new power that means you can beat them by punching harder
BRAVO ODA, BRAVO

Who will be the true final boss of series?

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Zoros wife and son!

This. I love this style of writing. I even heard Oda reads fan theories and thinks of ways to surprise everyone even at the last minute.

That's not my logic, at all. Only Katakuri has been shown to know future sight. Cracker, as the proficient armament haki user he is, should most definitely know something like shield haki, which we, according to your logic, have seen multiple people using. Same goes for Big Mom or Doflamingo.

>It was a stand alone power of Skypeans, which later became observation haki.
I've held it that since in the japanese script Blackbeard specifically mentions Haki on Jaya, that around that time is when Oda started to formulate the idea. If you're just saying that mantra got retconned than Haki still shows up on Water 7 with how Garp can hit luffy and it actually hurts him instead of getting rubber mitigated. That still predates Sabaody by an entire arc.
>Not really
Yes really. It was a point of debate for almost a decade how they blocked that attack by just holding up their hands.
>It's not acceptable to believe characters of that caliber wouldn't know about it.
So if they know about it they should also use it? I agree with does that mean the BMP should have a bunch of future sight capable fighters because katakuri can do it?

>and decided to settle down instead of going back into the new world
I don't think using Alabasta/Thriller Bark as a staging ground for either world domination or war against a yonko is "settling down". I just think Oda hasn't been consistent with his creation of Haki because it went from some obscure and vague tool, to a very prevalent and vague tool. And yet the 'who' and 'where' of people learning and using it doesn't match up with the knowledge some characters have of haki's existence as a whole.

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>formulate the idea
That's the point. It wasn't a thing, neither then, nor in Skypea.
>Yes really
No, really, it's not. This is the same argument as mantra being haki. If it was, it'd have been used right after by Teach and Ace or even the CP9, and it wasn't. Same thing for the shield haki, if it was a thing, multiple people would've used it in that war.
Wanna bet shield haki is going to become a common thing now? Just wait and see. When it does, it's irredeemable proof it was never a thing.

What do you guys think about Smoker appearing in Wano with a Majin Buu/ Super Sayian power up where he boosts all his movements using smoke thrusters all over his body?
Think about it, Wano already has some DB flavors to it, last time smoker jobbed to Doflamingo, but in his basic form so would lone Luffy, so the fastest way to unfuck his shit would be something like a transformation similar to G4

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Sort of like this guy but with cooler design, he could cover his body with black haki but leave the holes through which smoke could come out and propel him.

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>shown 13 years ago then explained 3 years after that
>now

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>It wasn't a thing, neither then, nor in Skypea.
It would be a thing, he just hadn't hammered out the specifics yet.
>No, really, it's not
Ok, so you explain how three guys held up their hands and blocked Whitebeards attack in a scene two mini-arcs after we had a sumo guy no-sell Luffy and had Raleigh stop Kizaru with his bare foot/sword? There's no denying at this point that Haki was in full effect, we just didn't get the retarded black coloration that Oda introduced post-TS.

Thank you

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BB mentioned haki in Jaya dude. It was always haki.

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Getting back to this post because it's one I've had to mull over. The point of Geography makes sense, however it's not like every officer who uses Haki has to stay in the New World because that implies there would be no use for haki users in the Paradise section of the Grand Line as well. Especially in places like Impel Down or Marineford, the lack of Haki users is still egregious when the Marines can teach that more. I do agree that the weight of the haki marines will be in the New World though because of the Yonko.

Training your body is always fine as well, Enel and Crocodile are examples of speople who was too reliant on both his devil fruit and in Enel's case, his haki. But Rob Lucci is this prodigy who mastered the 6 arts of Rokushiki, applied it to his Zoan Devil fruit, and has been in the employ of the Marines since he was a teen but the government still never bothered to teach the guy Armament Haki until post-TS? That's easily explained by just saying Oda wasn't sure the scope and scale that he was going to implement Haki into his story, but if we just assume that the story is consistent with itself even someone like Sabo has learned Haki and he's definitely nowhere near as good a fighter that Rob Lucci is pre TS or even post TS in my opinion.

Enies Lobby was peak.

Do you REALLY think Oda plans 5+ years ahead?

That's easily provable user. You need to try harder.

Honestly this, half the reason Croc and Enel were such fun fights and Akainu was so devastating was because of the weakness exploitation/massive advantages that Logias have and the interesting strategies that could be used by people with Paramecias like Luffy

That being said Conquerer's Haki was shown from the start, so I'm not too mad about it and other hakis being part of the endgame power creep

No, I think Oda plans 30+ years ahead

I wouldn't Yea Forums 'people'

Shitposters will bitch about anything.

much like Luffy's power creep and growth through the series it boils down to promotions and hierarchies

Lucci was probably the strongest non haki user in Paradise but look at his position, team lead of the highest form of Cypher Pol in Paradise, plus he had been stuck on assignment in Water 7 for the last 5 years

Essentially shit like Spandam being an entitled ass chief and lack of need for Haki in Paradise made for Lucci being gypped out of promoting to CP-0 or the New World at all

Knowing haki is not a great advantage if you are fighting someone far stronger, when luffy defeated that panther in Amazon Lily all those bitches were in awe even though most were haki users. Also there is several levels of mastery and even if Luffy is a newbie, he's still much better that the average marine.

>now

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A normal marine recruit with haki trying to fight Luffy is like a kid with brass knukles trying to beat brock lesnar, it's pointless

>but Luffy never a single Haki using marine until his grandfather on Water 7
Well yeah, Luffy didn't meet that many Marines period until Water 7.
First there was the trash in East Blue named Morgan, Fullbody, and Nezumi.
Then there was the logia user captain Smoker and his jobber subordinate Tashigi assigned near the entrance of the Grand Line. A big step up, but it's pretty rare for Marine captains to have haki (vice admiral, three ranks higher, is when it becomes the minimum standard) and Smoker had absolutely no need to improve in such a weak place.
Then there was Hina at Alabasta, but that was a purely naval battle. Luffy never even met her in person.
Then there was Aokiji, an advanced haki user, but his devil fruit is so powerful that he never even needed haki to kick Luffy's shit in.

ONE PIECE is the straw hat and the friends you made a long the way. You heard here first.

btw. Shouldn't they all be like 30-50 by now? Just like the people who started watching it as young kids/teens.

the only problem was Magellan and Lucci but Magellan beat Luffy without haki free

Soooooooooon

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I've noticed over the years that most of the people that flat out hate One Piece just do so out of spite due to its popularity. The criticism are always the same four tired lines "art sucks, hackmemes, muh predictable shonen arc, it's too long."

All I know is that One Piece is the only manga I've been reading for over ten years and don't find myself ever stopping. Even at its lowest points I still infinitely enjoyed it much more than the competition. There's something about the chemistry between crew members and how well established the OP universe is that really clicks for me. No other series has come close to the level of world building that One Piece has.

It's also consistently funny, even if the gags are like 20 years old now.

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I miss Robin's old look. She will forever be best girl.

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Why are you acting like everyone can use haki if they’ve heard of it, when it’s been stated that that’s not the case? Why don’t all of the strawhats have haki if that were the case? Why did Usopp only achieve observation haki during dressrosa?

its because they stay true to the friendship, and not the friendSHIP kind of think
thats why the only love intrests that exist are one the characters make off of the ship
keeps it out of shitty romcom territory, and keeps the fun up

Oda has confirmed that the one piece is physical thing on raftel, not some metaphorical treasure like friendship.

Whenever a Rayleigh flashback happens my asspull senses start tingling

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Yeah, I feel like having zero shipping shit is a saving grace. If OP ever ends Oda will pull a Toriyama and just have Luffy end up with someone that will piss off every shipper; or just end up alone.

Luffy going at it in the end alone, or having it left ambiguous would be the best, i simply can't imagine luffy staying in one place even after he finds the onepiece

Nice non-argument retard.

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chapter when?

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