Madhouse employee hospitalised after working 393 hours in one month

Madhouse employee hospitalised after working 393 hours in one month

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let's hope he had hourly rate

Nope.

he gave his life for Chihayafuru

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Why don't animators in Japan have unions?

hater

they generously gave him a 3rd Cup Noodle a day.

Same reason devs don't unionize, more "good enough" applicants than positions, so it's a race to the bottom.

that's all? lazy nips

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Toei animators have a union

Unions are worthless shit
they are obligatory in my country and haven't done anyone any good since the 60s

KyoAni supposedly treats their animators very well, paying them monthly salaries, training them in their own schools and giving them executive positions to influence company decisions.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing fewer, but higher quality anime per season made by people who actually have their passion and talent fairly rewarded.

At least he's not dead yet like the other one.

Are you French?

A fellow italian?

>obligatory
>haven't done shit
Isn't that the whole point of putting them under nanny state control? You know, pacifying workers, controlled opposition, preventing appearance of competition, etc.

>blaming unions when you should be blaming globalization

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Shit work culture

Not having done any good since the 60s is basically the Italians' motto though, not just the unions.

Both unions and globalization are good :^)

Neoliberals advocate against unionisation, workers' rights and collective bargaining. Their view is that higher payroll costs constrict corporate growth and investment and result in higher inflation due to higher disposable incomes and therefore higher consumption. Instead, they support trickle down economics through low taxation on things like corporate profit and capital gains.

Because just like America there is a large anti union mentality in Japan.

>trickle down economics
I genuinely don't think there's ever been a more ruinous economic theory to ever exist. Marxism, austerity, whatever, not a single one of them is so fundamentally transparent about wanting to make the scumbag rich richer.

holy shit

Meanwhile, at P.A. Works

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No wonder their animation standards have fallen so hard.

It's not called madhouse for nothing.

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Why do you begin with the assumption that the rich are scumbags? Don't you think it's likely a good many of them worked hard for their fortunes and weren't simply born with silver spoons in their mouths?

youtube.com/watch?v=uGHsxMqpL0c
Their company theme.

It's just an otaku animator. Everyone knows that those antisocial losers are incapable of banding together and form effective unions to demand better rights, so they're easily exploited.

>Don't you think it's likely a good many of them worked hard for their fortunes and weren't simply born with silver spoons in their mouths?
Hilarious. Maybe moderately wealthy people like doctors and lawyers.

You see these things pop up every so often but nothing changes, The industry won't do anything the workers won't change.

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I was underway for 72 days without sunlight or internet so he can piss right off.

Well yea, until it hits them where it hurts. Their pockets

>wanting unions
>ever
Dumb cuck.

>Japanese fans have blasted the studio for offering less pay than McDonald’s (980 yen / $8.60 an hour) and convenience stores (920 yen / $8 an hour).
Jesus

Well it won’t do it doesn’t matter.

>Hilarious. Maybe moderately wealthy people like doctors and lawyers.
So take that naive worldview of yours and put it into practice: Start the next Amazon. Or Facebook. Or Tesla. Or Google. If indeed the rich don't have to work hard for their fortunes, starting the multimillion/billion dollar corp must be a piece of cake.

Don't forget to buy blu-rays and merch to support the industry, anons!

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What are you talking about?

so*

Fortunes like that are usually luck-based. And if you want effort: nofap. Nofap for a month and you'll be Amazon's CEO.

He was in a submarine for 72 days.

You got conned my man
itep.org/the-35-percent-corporate-tax-myth/

Because it wasn't an animator.

fake news
there less than 393 hours in a month

I worked at a grocery store as a baker that was unionized. They didn't do a damn thing except make it difficult for employees to be fired which in some cases proved to be a detriment when we really needed to get someone who was unbelievably incompetent like one lady who made this when she was asked to make a batch of cookies.

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>とりわけ重要なのが、作画・撮影関係ですね。私たちは、脚本にもとづいて描かれた絵コンテができたら、知っているフリーランスの原画マンや中国、韓国の会社へ「営業」をかけます。
片っ端から電話をかけて、「これできませんか」とお願いしていく作業です。1話分の300カットを10～20人に分担してもらうのです。

>Especially the important thing is drawing and filming. Once we have a storyboard drawn based on the screenplay, we will place a "sales" to drawing freelancers and companies in China and Korea.
Calling literally everyone, asking, "can it be done?"
One episdoe of 300 cuts get divided to 10~20 people.

>24*30=720

Wrong.

what a fucking mad lad

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kek what's that turd on the left
even I can bake better fucking cookies

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source?

>due to higher disposable incomes
Literally
>common people having more money is bad, goyim

744 if you take it as 31 days. Even in that slightly more lenient scenario he's still working over 50% of his life.

>obligatory
Means they've become the very entrenched cronies they ostensibly set out to undermine in the first place.
The first thing I think of in a union shop is watch out for negligent death. Jobsites are usually death traps because of all the incompetent crony hires.

Yeah, a good number of the top billion dollar corporations manage to get away with tax murder. But I wasn't talking about taxes, but rather the naive idea that wealthy, successful people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, or even actual human excrement such as Jeff Bezos, didn't have to work hard and take great risks to get where they're at.

Are you Jewish?

What a Madman.

Give me a free post-graduate education and large unsecured loans from my parents, then we'll talk.

>free post-graduate education
Wait, you don't have that in America? I thought it was just a meme

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Americans will call your country communist for even thinking about such economic heresy.

Imagine giving the lead positions to fucking ANIMATORS, no wonder why their shows are so fucked up compared to the source materials

>american education

So he worked only 50% of the month? Weak.

who cares? Just hire another guy

Surely he's going to get that promotion now

>Unions are bad
>Education is bad
Its the Americans, every time

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haha yeah bro, all those people who work for minimum wage their whole lives to feed their children and try to give them a better chance at life than they had? lmao they are just dumb lazy idiots. If they just worked hard for once maybe they could be the next Elon Musk and go smoke weed with Joe Rogan or talk about anime on twitter.

Capitalists and capitalism apologists are beyond fucking reasoning. I sincerely hope you get your head curb stomped by some fat dago union worker

They should do the same thing with their writers. While KyoAni's animation is on point, their plot-driven anime is absolutely garbage.

>Im lazy and NEED unions
>Im lazy and NEED free education
youtube.com/watch?v=xNzXze5Yza8

He is right. We are better than you because we work harder. Europeans laze around while we work hard, thats why theyre behind in technology, finance. politics and society

could you imagine working over 12 hours a day, 7 days a week? why would anyone agree to that slave shit?

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god i wish that were me

Which country has free higher education?

To be the next MUH MITSUO ISO.

Ramp service agents in airports have 18 hour shifts and they work no more than 3 or 4 days a week, get paid okay and most accidents and work place injuries only happen because of their stupidity.

He racked disciprine

f*nland

Half the euro countries, nordic countries (sweden, finland, Iceland and all that).

>Free masters degree in science
>Even get paid for it plus cheap loans
Feels good man

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Russia.

>get paid okay
give me an average. I'm 20 away from bush intercontinental airport and would apply next week if the pay is good.

Pretty much the whole EU offers free or sub-$1000-per-semester tuition.

Is there a single work culture more horrible then japan's?

>people unironically work more than 40 hours a week on an animators "wage"

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korea is likely up there

lold

Unironically every other country in the world.

>either your parents pay once or you take on a student loan
>free

Because they give executive positions to animators instead of writers so they decide to add a flashy action scene to SoL series instead of resolving the plot

What?

Average for non-shit European countries and America is 9 euro an hour, you hurl a few bags and go rest for 15-30 minutes.
Easiest job I ever had back when I was a student.

california's silicon valley which modeled itself after japan because of the weebs in tech

Fucking madhouse. They sure are mad.

>SoL series
>plot
There's nothing wrong with a SoL series having good art and animation either.

>Japan
>hourly rate
You are funny.

Action in Kobayashi was totally out of place and just stupid

Animators becoming directors is very standard in animation.

And that's why we can't have nice things

Argentina, my father partially hates it because it means we allow immigrants to come, use our country's education resources freely and then fuck off back to their countries without giving anything back. I remember having an american classmate who barely knew what the teacher was saying but he would still do the classes since they were free.
Kind of a double edged sword since im still grateful I dont have to pay for higher education in a lot of careers other than bus fares.

A relic from commie days, will be abolished in 10 years tops.

>they are obligatory
That's the whole problem right there.

pretty low for those grueling hours, but being able to slack off and do nothing for half an hour seems comfy. i'll go check it out, I need to find a new job before july.

Where does the university get their money from? Who pays the people that work there? In the case of Germany, because it is the second most populous country in Europe, you simply can't say it is free. In West Germany a lot of universities do actually require you to pay, no matter whether or not it's short or long-term. If you can't pay, your parents pay or you take on a specific loan. In East-Germany there are still a good amount of universities that only require students who learn for a long time to pay. Either way, SOMEONE has to pay. Universities don't function in a vacuum and ever since the change in general education in Europe more and more people end up studying. This is shit is expensive dude, higher education is never free. Americans should not make the mistake and think it's all free here in Europe just because some dude-bro in politics said so.

The middle and upper middle class, sure.

Most people in the high upper class get there from being in the low upper class, or high middle class. It's like how Trump took a loan of a million (low upper class) and turned it into billions (high upper class).

The thing that can make you the most is your connections to other wealthy people.

Unions prevent stuff like this happening.

what shows did he work on? hopefully they weren't shit

Taxes
Someone has to pay for it, but not the students. That's what the word free means.

So besides buying foreign DVD's is there even a way to directly support animations? I don't want my money lining middlemen kike pockets or faceless corporatefags. Have studios taken control of their own international distribution so they get all the money? Afaik studio rights owners keep giving contracts to western leeches that don't give a fuck. C'mon Toshi take my money

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Who would you prefer to be directing?

Yeah, until they become corrupt as fuck and end up being nothing more than a cancerous growth on whatever business is effected by their involvement.

Literally everyone in the upper class got there by being born or married into it, American, because they are aristocrats.
But yeah, also nearly everyone in the upper middle class got there by having middle class parents.

>Taxes
Exactly, glad we agree that it is not free. I'm glad other people have to pay in order for you to get a liberal arts degree.

So fight against that. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have any union, because you will be absolutely fucked over if your low skill/high replaceability job doesn't have a union.

Most studios aside from exceptions like Sunrise or KyoAni work as contractors, so buying discs won't help them. As long as production committees fund anime, only a small slice of the pie will ever go to the animators, rather than the investors looking for a return.

>So fight against that.
You fight against that by not having Unions.
Every fucking time a Union is formed, they start to seek more power in order to force ALL workers of a state/country to be a part of it.

Anyone but the quota for animators or women

Yeah? Think about it for a second. If everyone with a good enough brain can get a uni degree and work a high skilled job, society can only benefit. If only the moderately wealthy and above can do so, society will be constrained. Those taxes are gonna result in bright working class people being able to go to uni and contribute to society instead of being low skill workers.

There are some animators that have an enty or pixiv fanbox you can pledge to.

No, we don't agree, because you're trying to redefine the word free.
Free means "provided at no charge". If someone else is paying for it, it's still free for you. That's what it has always meant and what everyone understands it to mean.

Have fun earning nothing and getting fired at will then lol

>I don't want my money lining middlemen kike pockets or faceless corporatefags.
It doesn't really matter what you buy, that's sadly who the majority of your money is going to every time.

>Think about it for a second. If everyone with a good enough brain can get a uni degree and work a high skilled job, society can only benefit.
Yeah, and all the required work that is being done by "low skill workers" right now, and in the future, would be irrelevant? Is that somehow your unattainable Utopia?

>Have fun earning nothing and getting fired at will then lol
t. minimum wage/bottom rung office worker

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>Where does the university get their money from? Who pays the people that work there?
Taxes.

>you simply can't say it is free.
But it is free, as in, with no cost.

>If you can't pay, your parents pay or you take on a specific loan.
But in a place with free higher education, you don't have to take on a loan and your parents don't need to pay, if they even can pay.

The school costs you exactly as much if your parents pay a thousand euros per year in taxes or a million euros in taxes.

>Either way, SOMEONE has to pay.
But not the student or their parents.

Except that a lot of the times, especially in the future since it'll only become more expensive, it is not free and you still have to pay for it. This obviously depends on the university if law allows individual decisions on entry and general fees. The point is that you can't say "Higher education is (universally) free in European countries". It depends on the country, on the state if we're talking federations and most definitely on the university.

Automation is already pushing all of the low skill workers out of jobs. It's only going to get worse for them.

>Automation is already pushing all of the low skill workers out of jobs.
Like I said, unattainable Utopia.

That explains so much.

>its not free
It is though. Free education is a massive boom to the economy

>But it is free, as in, with no cost.
Once again, this depends entirely on the individual case. It's not universally free.
>But in a place with free higher education, you don't have to take on a loan and your parents don't need to pay, if they even can pay.
Depends on what and therefore how long you study. Assuming it is entirely free of charge, yes of course no costs related to the university would come up.
>But not the student or their parents.
Unless your parents don't work they still pay taxes.
To make this clear, I'm not arguing that there are no examples of almost or entirely free higher education. That's not the average case though, at least in very relevant European countries that get a lot of international students as well. Now, it's certainly a lot cheaper than in the US. I doubt there is much debate in regards to that but comparing the US and Europe is unwise.

No it is not.
>what about Primary//High school then?
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns?

>Don't you think it's likely a good many of them worked hard for their fortunes and weren't simply born with silver spoons in their mouths?
I don't. If we're not talking upper middle class, at least, I don't think a single one of them has had to work hard. It very much was not required.

Did some of them work hard nonetheless? Probably, and that's to their credit, but that doesn't absolve the others.

>It is though.
It's almost as if you can't read. I did not say that there are no examples of "free higher education". I said that it depends on individual cases and that free of charge anything is a small minority.

Because it's a Socialist policy.

>9 euro an hour
Shit, man, as a student I was a lifeguard. Got 11 euro an hour at one pool and 14 at another (only during summers, though).

That's pretty much what I figured which is why I only pirate besides the rare purchase. It's obvious higher ups need to get payed for their work as well, money needs to be saved for more work and hard times, but the fact there isn't a better financial pipeline in place is just poor business sense.

>I said that it depends on individual cases and that free of charge anything is a small minority.
Well that's simply not true. Free public universities are widespread in Europe.

>he though Deadhouse is a meme

Anyone who thinks that those guys didn't have to work hard to get where they are are joking but the idea that if you'll work hard you'll become rich is a bit of a joke.

To be fair, its still better than working for most studios and getting paid per cut/frames.

PA Works is rural studio which offers job opportunities for local people who DONT want to work in mcdonnalds to do stuff they like, while providing dormitories and nice work environment. At least they PAY hourly wage.

Similarly comparing costs and wages in Tokyo (where anime industry is located mostly) and rural bumfuck Toyama, where PA Works is is wrong to begining - like comparing prices and wages in NY and Mississipi.

to add to that, this is a reason why Kyoani created Animation Do in Osaka, since its cheaper than Kyouto which is rather expensive. And why Trigger is doing the same making Trigger Osaka and hiring newbies for slave wage to fulfil their dream of working on anime while not livign in Tokyo.

9 euro an hour? Man thats not even minimum wage where I'm from. I guess that cost of living where your talking about it cheap though.

Average annual salary ( in dollars) in toyama is 37077. In Tokyo 51479.

Ohsaka is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

>ten hours freetime
lazy freeloader

a reasonable person who knows how to draw

>stays ~30h at work for networking and learning shit from senpai
>draws furry porn at home for good money

a dumbass person who knows how to draw
>stays ~100h at work for shit wages

Ooof. If i ever saw a low blow, this is one

Corrupt unions are literally NEVER a cancer on a business necessarily. The US is exemplary of this. You have corporation owned unions that operate like companies and those are the problematic ones. Unions are excellent when done correctly and benefit workers incredibly hard and when they are not owned by corporations. See Nordic countries for evidence of this.
Obligatory unions have no reason to fight for a worker's rights, so of course they're shit dumbass. That has nothing to do with unions, that has something to do with the shitty way your country is handling them.

Even low skilled work is becoming more highly skilled over time due to increased use of more complicated tools and computation. It can only be a good thing to have those low skilled workers seek more education.

Based. If only everyone loved their job so much.
I hope Murata doesn't get hospitalized though.

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>allowing yourself to work almost 100 hours a week for cartoon.

Osaka is a much, much more important city for advanced business than Kyoto. Local purchasing power is also considerably higher in Osaka. Not to mention that KyoAni isn't even located in Kyoto proper while Animation Do is in a very expensive ward of Osaka.

Why even bother then? this shit is insane, even cleaning toilets is better.

I struggle to stay awake even with a 9-5.

Korea's (at least SK) is literally based on either A: family ties/name or B: how much corporate and government dick you suck- literally. Sometimes both.

It was never meant to be long term job. I failed to mention you get 1.3rd of your salary for overtime hours 1.4 if it's holiday or night hours and having driver's license is also a bonus. Most people who apply become flight coordinators or gse in 3-4 months and you don't have to anything physically demanding at all. Applications are always open and it's clearly targeted to people with secondary educations.

OECD survey shows that the average American work more hours per week than the average Japanese.

>It was never meant to be long term job. I failed to mention you get 1.3rd of your salary for overtime hours 1.4 if it's holiday or night hours
Isn't that standard?

Asian countries in general still have industrial revolution era work culture, it's baffling how they think that working more = better results.

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Jack's face is too fucking funny anons

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>again
I thought that guy retracted his statement and apologized. Did he double down?

If the animator didn't die, that means that he didn't work hard enough. All Japanese operate under the belief that they should work harder, not smarter.

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Well someones got to cook all those burgers.

What the fuck is wrong with that guys face

Alibaba's not the only Chinese compant practicing 996.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system

>Have you ever heard of diminishing returns?
Hasnt really applied to education. We know this since it correlates with general wealth of the populus and the nation.
>its not free even though it would massively increase the income all around
Okay fag

It's pretty funny because it's something even a brainlet can understand. If you do hard labor for most of your day almost everyday you will break under injury, perform poorly, be unhappy, and potentially cause permanent damage. The same is true for our minds, that thinking thing that uses 20%+ of our energy to function. It can get tired and not getting enough sleep means we aren't clearing compounds out of our system which causes low level brain damage. Increasingly being suggested as a cause of disease. Like lmao what are you going to get out of some average IQ chinamen working 12 hours or more per day other than injuries, mistakes, and resentment? Soulless money addicts

Pretty much. The point I was trying to make is you can have long ass shifts in physically demanding jobs and come out just fine and even get a promotion. It's all about managing your time and Japs are awful at this.

Imagine working more than 12hrs a day for at least a month, and every show your studio is making is shit.

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Not just that, but what's the point of working that much if you can't even enjoy the product of your labor? Work is a mean to have better life standards, not an end in itself, that's insect-like thinking.

Meh. I hit between 340 and 350 in a month earlier this year and that doesn't include my commute or lunch breaks. Was tired but still a ways from collapsing.

Imagine - no. IMAGINE being hospitalized for overworking on trash like this.

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Hey, cant say often that a studio lives up to its name.

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More like imagine what the hell were they doing all those working hours that THIS is what they delivered.

Nah, for that one korean outsourcing laughed and send their worst.

That's a 40-50 hour difference, user.

data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm

Huh that's surprising. I tried to find out more and a lot of the stuff is anecdotal but here's what I gathered. In Japan overtime is expected, using your vacation/sick days is frowned upon, and a higher pressure for team outings/hanging out after work. All actual data I saw shows the US working more hours but in general the US set working hours are higher (so overtime is rarer), breaks/sick days/vacations aren't as frowned upon, and work culture is somewhat more lax.

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Do you hear the people sing...

His workplace must be a real mad house

Do you sometimes get the feeling that 90% of what people think about Japan is projection? Because it is.

If I were a corporate, I would just give all these jobs to animators in China, Flipland and Korea if these Japanese animators start complaining about a payrise. If you don't want to meet the deadline and you want more money then the job can be given to someone else. That should let them know how disposable they are and should make them shut up or even consider going to the press.

Based Germany

^^^ this

i dont even give a shit if the quality invariably drops because of this, because in my fantasy, i'd escape via helicopter to my private island and those nips wouldn't be able to do shit

Cazzo sì

>Neoliberals advocate against unionisation
That’s literally antithetical to the definition of neoliberalism, specifically the “liberal” part in the modern sense.

>In Japan overtime is expected, using your vacation/sick days is frowned upon, and a higher pressure for team outings/hanging out after work. All actual data I saw shows the US working more hours but in general the US set working hours are higher (so overtime is rarer), breaks/sick days/vacations aren't as frowned upon, and work culture is somewhat more lax.
The study is for hours worked per year. Overtime, vacations and sick days are counted.

Isn't that kind of the point with month or few trial period before you give people permanent or longer contracts? So you actually get to see if they can do the damn job they're supposed to and can just terminate the contract on trial period with just "you suck, no need to come tomorrow"?

Reminder most nips just sit in the office to pretend they are working. So society will hail them as productive.

How so? Neoliberalism is about laissez-faire capitalism with minimal government regulation and intervention (i.e. taxes). Unionism is considered a detriment to the free market. What's important isn't the freedom of workers, but the freedom of corporations, and workers are nothing more than a disposable, replaceable resource.

>Don't you think it's likely a good many of them worked hard for their fortunes and weren't simply born with silver spoons in their mouths?
Not him but a lot of wealth in every Western society is passed down and the use of a charities/foundations as a tax escape has been a thing since the 30s to make the very wealthy seem philanthropic even when it’s just a giant PR stunt. There are good people who happen to be rich, especially those who are self-made, but from what the other user is saying the issue with “trickle-down” is that tax reductions and therefore spending that’s supposed to happen during recession years is happening every year to where the spending has gotten out of control and the federal debt has become unpayable, which is also the case in a lot of Western countries to where a chunk of the budget is used solely to pay off interest instead of be used for the needs of the taxpayers. America used to be very managerial when it came to Federal government and working for the people but now the government has just become a sinkhole for bad ideas that are distracted on by sports team partisanism that’s basically ruining the West.

This is such a boring topic. Just some dumb Westerners virtue signalling, complaining and backseat driving.

Reminder that making anime is completely different from having a vague office job.

Probably went with "I don't get paid enough for this shit" while fully knowning that the studio will just have to use this because there's not enough time to redo the cgi or whatever pipeline that superiomposed those janky models clapping over almost static background.

>Reminder most nips just sit in the office to pretend they are working
Have you ever worked in an office? That describes 90% of office work in the US.

Perhaps in the US but here in Europe, liberal still means liberal not socialist.

Sen soon

>Neoliberalism is about laissez-faire capitalism with minimal government regulation and intervention
Because the theoretical definition practically doesn’t exist in any Western governance, a lot of so called neoliberals are still stuck to the liberal part which is supportive of the liberal welfare state especially when unions are a major social base for liberal ideology. What you’re speaking off is more the case for states like early 2000s Argentina and Bolivia which rejected liberal ideologies like free assembly and expression to subscribe to IMF loan conditions.

Let's hope KyoAni is next.

All the animators realize that they have to live like this or animation dies. Animation makes such little profit margins that if it were to become even slightly more expensive most anime series would become financial flops and the money that goes into funding dries up.

This is a ride or die industry and its tough on everyone involved. Even the producers and publishing groups have to be sweating bullets on the fact that they are basically gambling millions of dollars on one of the most unprofitable forms of visual media.

Things are slowly changing, streaming from both china and the west is bringing in quite a bit of money and you can see the industry growing, but most series are still on thin but consistent profit margins so the working conditions won't change for awhile. Maybe in 5 or 10 years if the industry grows and becomes more healthy we will see more animators finally able to join the grind.

Actually, this thread is about us feeling schadenfreude about dumb antisocial people working themselves sick for minimal results.
It's important for everyone's self-worth to know that there's always someone dumber, someone more unfortunate, someone lower on the totem pole being treated more miserable than us, so that we know that our situation is a lot better.
And the best part is, those animators working themselves sick are doing that all on their own volition and could fix the problem without any outside help, but are completely unwilling to do it, because they prefer to be seen as workaholics.

>It's important for everyone's self-worth to know that there's always someone dumber
Yes, I'm sure everyone is glad you exist.

The industry, aka the producers who spend the money, have decided that they will simply pay a fixed amount of money for each show, instead of negotiating with the studio about how much they will pay them, because the bidding among the studios to get the job lead to an untenable situation.

Oh come on, you're also glad to know that there's some really dumb nip who's working in the animation industry for shit pay.

>Unions are worthless shit
>they are obligatory in my country and haven't done anyone any good since the 60s

Hey, an oligarch

Truly, they are a Mad House

You don't always pay for quality. You also have to pay for speed, time and jobs done.

Jesus, this industry is surviving just on mere passion, isn't it?

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Just because no western government is 100% neoliberal, it doesn't mean neoliberalism has no influence on economic policies. Often it's only social backlash and the checks and balances of democracy holding liberal governments around the world back from gradually eroding universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, aged pensions, free or subsidized education, nationalized utilities, industrial relations or corporate regulations. Obviously not all liberal politicians necessarily subscribe to neoliberalism in full, but when aggregated in a single party, that general social direction is the agenda they stand for, and that is especially the case in an increasingly partisan political environment where there is no appetite for centrism, negotiation, and compromise.

Neoliberalism also isn't just limited to government. Many large corporations spend huge amounts lobbying government for their own interests, and even if they have no outright political preference, the result is anti-unionism and lax corporate regulation.

The nips literally can't do shit, and the producers can mock and laugh at them. After all, it's just otaku.

why so angry?

It's almost always because of rushed production schedules. Imagine needing to do the same amount of work in 1/4 the number of calendar days. You'd need to work incredible amounts AND it would be significantly worse compared to if that time was spread out.

As it should be. The next step ought to be how to make the animators pay for the privilege of working on anime.
The best way to do so is for the producers to get a guarantee that the studio must buy unsold anime discs and other merchandise at full price. This will force the studios to make better products that must sell a minimum amount to become profitable.
Everyone wins. The production committee never makes any loss, the studios can save money on paying their hired animators, and animators get the fruit of their result shown in physical form.

Maybe if 60% of the budget didn't go to some celeb VAs they could pay their other staff a living wage, but no muh celebrity whore names need to be in it.

Clearly the celeb voice actors making the anime character sound alive are more important than the rest of the staff, or else, nobody would wanna watch the show in the first place.

Aren't VAs really expensive to hire?

Only veterans who do have some established fanbase.

do it 6 months in a row and see how you sing a different tune.

Absolute shameful, he didn't even reach 400 hours

He must have really loved anime!

Which is 70% of the current VAs.
That's the issue.

>All the animators realize that they have to live like this or animation dies.
That's ridiculous and just false. Japanese animators live like this because they are extremely passionate about their work. It's the case with any artist who isn't famous.
The difference between other artists and animators, however, is the work the animator is doing is extremely profitable, they just get none of the profit because of the nature of their industry, something which can easily be changed, especially through unions. There's 0 reason for animators to be paid so little other than they can be exploited because of the nature of the market so they are.
These anons are dead on. If pay was managed properly and animators who arguably play the most important role in anime were paid equivalently to what they put into the production, things would be just fine and business could run just fine (and as made evident by KyoAni, actually infinitely better).

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If he's still alive and not dead like that one dumb animator who died working on some naturo fighting scene, then he clearly didn't love anime enough.

>Maybe if 60% of the budget didn't go to some celeb VAs t
That doesn't happen.

>Japanese animators live like this because they are extremely passionate about their work.
Hehe, those fools. Having a workforce that is addicted to anime and is willing to work for miserable pay is awesome.

do we know what episode he was working on ?

The thing is that a lot of overtime in Japan goes unreported.

I've even had colleagues who came on their supposed paid leave just to work anyway.

Where I am, they are now encouraging people who are paid by the hour to leave exactly on time, but there is still a 30 minutes buffer before needing to properly apply for overtime. So instead of leaving right when it's time, my Japanese colleagues come 30 minutes earlier in the morning and stay 30 minutes more in the evening, actually doing 1 hour of free unreported overtime.

>Burger education

This is so unfair, they have ten times easier job than animators but make 100 times more money and also treated like heroes

That's only 13 hours a day though. I mean it's a lot but it's not remotely unheard of.

It is absolutely fair. Without voice actors being able to give the animation a personality through their speech, all you'd get is some more expensively created manga without speech bubbles.

Yikes

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What country are you from?

No wonder here in Mexico we say "they make us work like niggers"

Australia. 10 and 12 hour days are pretty normal even in retail jobs, and 14 hour days are pretty common in actual industry work.

Of course it's australia. Of course.

Jesus Christ that's disgusting. This is why we need more studios like Kyoani who treat their staff right and have rules against overtime.

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Fuck you. Munto was Kigami's underrated masterpiece.

That's good ol capitalism baby.
Work until you die, that is, until they can resurrect you so you can work some more!

How's that porn license, Nigel?

I'm sorry he hurt himself, but i'm glad we have an industry of passionate people like him. If we had lazy union fuckboys making anime, it would look like what American cartoons look like now.

Why are f/a/gs users liberals when it's bad for anime?

>liberals
>against capitalism
my dude.... liberals might lean left in terms of social issues but they are still capitalists

Because most people are ignorant and ignorance is what leads you to liberalism.

If anime was unionized there WOULD BE NO GOOD ANIME. Just be happy that there are passionate japs out there willing to sacrifice comfort for something they care about.

I was agreeing with Capitalism is bad for anime, so I'm wondering why weebs are liberals. I guess mostly just brainwashed burgers.
>If anime was unionized there WOULD BE NO GOOD ANIME.
Why?

Just look what happened to the west for your answer. The unions are behind it.

>Just be happy that there are passionate japs out there willing to sacrifice comfort for something they care about.
When the products they are putting out are shit I'm not happy for that at all, especially when there's no reason to sacrifice "comfort". Comfort is also a loaded term here when animators are literally dying.

Western and Chinese investors are paying more money for high quality anime but the old jap producers take the money and split it up to make several series instead of one.
This is the real problem.

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>products are shit
Not all of them, and not every person/team has it in them to make good art

>animators are dying!
Rare cases, i'd be willing to bet at a lower rate than say, crab fishermen or factory worker.

Why would I look at what happened to the west for anything? The unions in the US, which is what I'm assuming you're talking about by the West, are corporate-run abominations with no worker control. If you actually looked at what happened to the west, you would understand why this is:
youtube.com/watch?v=F2NNxyxc2Ao
Look at what happened to the Nordic countries for what Unions do. Massive improvements in both quality of life and productivity, massive economic growth, better products, and above all else, happy and healthy workers. Fucking burgers man, I swear.

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>IT'S NOT REEEEEEAL UNIONS!
Every time. Fuck off. Animation is a pursuit of insanity, the fact that any gets made at all is a fucking miracle. Limitations which prevent passionate people from giving their all and invite less passionate for-hire phone-ins will only make anime worse and drive it EVEN MORE towards Korea, just like American cartoons.

Do I want people to die? No. But I don't want anime to die either. The west is starting to care about anime and with it comes the imperialist mindset that we need to change what we perceive as wrong. JUST LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE.

Just a couple of days ago a union called a trucker strike in Portugal which made the entire country run out of fuel. 2 days was all it took for the government to agree to improving their working conditions.
Sadly the US has a long history of violence and oppression against unions backed by decades of propaganda against any sort of left wing economic policy.

Funny, since in my country they just managed to increase the pay of everyone by 3%, and 5% for the lowest income jobs as long as the company itself makes x in profits.

>Every time. Fuck off.
Gotta love it when libtards strawman on my anime forum because they're backed in a corner.
>>IT'S NOT REEEEEEAL UNIONS!
American Unions have no worker control. Refute this, then you can say I'm making the dodge you think I am, burger. Imagine being so much of a fucking cuck you can't even spend 5 minutes looking into your own history and conditions because you're so fucking brainwashed by porky you just can't give up is sweaty cock in your mouth for said 5 minutes. This is why it's so fucking hard to talk to burgers, holy shit.
>Animation is a pursuit of insanity, the fact that any gets made at all is a fucking miracle.
No it's not you fucking mong. It makes money.
>Limitations which prevent passionate people from giving their all and invite less passionate for-hire phone-ins will only make anime worse and drive it EVEN MORE towards Korea, just like American cartoons.
Ah yes, everyone knows having your animators work 393 hour months is the best way to get passionate people to give their all and produce an amazing product like this: youtube.com/watch?v=iUpxnsiYX40
In regards to your concerns about outsourcing, there are tons of solutions to that without sacrificing both product quality and quality of life. Anime quality has fucking plummeted because of this shit. The way you want companies to operate is exactly the reason for this. Unions don't limit employees, user. In America they do because they are run and sponsored by companies. In everywhere else on earth, burger, they are run by workers and do amazing things. Look at Scandinavia. This information isn't hard to find, and it's an important distinction to realize before you decide that porky's cock tastes too good to secure the anime you enjoy, and in America's case, the money to buy medicine and insulin and food which you dumb fuckers can't even manage.

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This. The video I linked is really good at explaining that. It just blows my mind to see these burger "libertarians" going around sucking off their oppressors because their government and porky tells them to. It's a ridiculous concept to people in literally any other developed country that it's actually offsetting.

How is being gay underwater the same as actually working for those hours?

How awful. Crunch time is an awful practice and I hate that it's treated as a source of pride in certain industries. How do Japs feel about this? Are they obligated to work themselves to death?

>posts korean shit strawman as if you can disprove my argument

Show ONE example of how worker unions improved animation. Ever. Even californiashit is all animated in korean sweatshops. It's an art that NECESSITATES this kind of environment.

There's also the yellow vest movement which is heavily backed/ran by unions and is making massive changes to french worker life. There were/are the Mexican protests which are also making huge improvements for workers which media hasn't really been covering:
ozy.com/fast-forward/labor-protests-rock-mexicos-low-cost-reputation/93517
There were/are also the auto worker protests in the US/Canada and that one grocery store protest which I think is ongoing which affected a massive number of workers in the US, organized again by unions.
These are the ones that have been happening around me that I can think of off the top of my head. Literally everywhere except the US, and even sometimes in the US, unions do amazing good, but amerifats are just too brainwashed.

>porky
>>>/leftypol/
Bye, faggot.

Dammit, Carlos.

>it's another "/pol/ and Yea Forums crossover" episode

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>literal fucking communists invade the topic
>muh poooooooooool

Choke on your spit dude, if you used "trickle down economics" seriously then you are a retard through and through. It's a fucking strawman to smear the legitimate theory of supply side economics.

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>13 hours on average
>wake up at 7 am
>work until 8pm
>still have at least 5 hours of free time left and 6 hours to sleep
So what's the problem here?

Money does trickle down. Those high-rises and McMansions don't build themselves

>Which is 70% of the current VAs.
>no source to back ridiculous claim up

I hate it when socialists use my country to further their shitty ideology.
The main reason why things are so good in the nordics is because we lack certain entitled, lazy and violent leech populations, though that's changing.

so he was working at least 14 hours a day if it was a 31 day month?

12.6

Why have children in the first place? Holy shit this wouldn't even be a problem if they just did well those fucks.

Hey retard if what he says happens that would mean that low skill workers would get more leverage to ask for better shit.

>>posts korean shit strawman as if you can disprove my argument
Who animated that doesn't matter. If Japan had powerful animation unions they could stop the outsourcing altogether, burger. Their lack of unions directly enables this.
>It's an art that NECESSITATES this kind of environment.
That's objectively false and provable by KyoAni. They've recognized this and provide their animators similar conditions to what unions would/have in other places around the world. Their product quality has shot up undeniably because of this and they are doing extremely well.
I'd love to hear you explain why anime demands this sort of environment.
As to examples, Japan hardly has any unions, but the effects of Unions (increased pay, benefits, better hours, etc.) have undeniably improved conditions in the studios which have implemented them, again, see KyoAni.
As to globally, again, Unions have had ridiculously strong benefits on products put out: journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001979399204600109
This would obviously extend to animation as well, and you've yet to explain why you think that isn't the case. There is no reason to think it wouldn't.
Internationally, animation unions have been incredibly effective, and are not rare. Here's an example from your shit hole: animationguild.org/about-the-guild/studio-list/
Despite being shit and American, it's also had good effects on the workers, which provably extends to the quality of product: animationguild.org/contracts-wages/
And obviously since studios like Dreamworks are on there, the products have not become bad like you for some untold reason predict.

Was the anime One Punch Man and is this the reason why it got moved to a different studio?

They're the exact same thing, and taking issue with that term is the real strawman here.

Idiot liberals call other liberals liberals as an insult, but that doesn't change what it actually means.
>Marxism
You're right, but why even mention this?

It's worth it since Madhouse is one of the best

>They're the exact same thing
>Whereas general supply-side theory favors lowering taxes overall, trickle-down theory more specifically targets taxes on the upper end of theeconomic spectrum.
Suck my dick illiterate retard

He is probably the guy who thought making Tonegawa anime was a good idea, and after everyone laughed at him, he singlehandedly adapted manga into screenplay, storyboarded and animated all the episodes, written ost and narrated it.

>those poor anime studios!
>now just let check nyaa and horriblesubs for the latest episodes
Westerners are the true greedy pigs

But the studio gets the money before hand. The sales go to the producers.

This. It's not like he was doing some kind of hard manual labour work, either, he was literally just drawing. Some people do that for hours on end as a hobby.

>implying
Its full of nords. I've never seen a lazier, more entitled group of shitstains. A norwegian exchange student in my uni started crying because we were gonna put 10 hours for 4 days towards our project. He started screaming about being overworked at it's unfair because nords can't handle any more than 6 hours a day of work.

ammazzati

It genuinely goes to show that what makes a good anime is actual proper scheduling and proper payment. Mob Psycho 100's second season is one of the best-animated shows in years solely because the talent behind it had the best schedules to actually put their passion to work rather than rushing under sweatshop-tier hours and conditions. This is why the anime industry is going into the shitter, deadlines are more important than passion, studios want to rush out whatever to capitalise on trends, look at OPM season 2 for example.
To think this is the same studio that did Redline, god damn

>dedicating all that time to work when you could be actually living your life
>actually working those hours on weekends
You're the perfect puppet, goyim.

996 == ICU

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>The less you eat, drink and read books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorize, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save-the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor dust will devour-your capital. The less you are, the more you have; the less you express your own life, the greater is your alienated life-the greater is the store of your estranged being.

>Being tricked this hard into thinking devoting more of your time to corporations who don't give a fuck about you is a good thing.
Enjoy dying with plenty of regrets you drone

Don't confuse socialists with social democratics.
>The main reason why things are so good in the nordics is because we lack certain entitled, lazy and violent leech populations, though that's changing.
Literally any socialist you talk to will criticize Nordic countries for giving people a free ride. Take away the free ride from people who don't contribute to society and you won't have this regardless of what population demographic you have. It's a really simple fix that lets the Nordics keep things as good as they are. This was one of Lenin's big talking points.
Nordic countries are great otherwise precisely because of their unions and worker benefits, and this is empirically proven.

I think you missed the point of the quote, user. It's Marx and sarcastic. You're making the same criticism of capitalism and work as he is.

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It's not that much, most people work around 10-12 hours a day and with things that fry your brain.
12-13 hours drawing it's pretty good, specially if you like it which I guess that anyone who can draw like animators do does at that point.

Parroting historical dickheads isn't my thing, I'll just live by the philosophies I learn through life and be happy. Fuck you, I think.

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Marx was a NEET, he was one of us.

No user, if is what you think you're based. I don't see the problem with learning from and applying other's wisdom, though.

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>most people work around 10-12 hours a day
What shithole do you live in? where i live 9 hour days and 4 day weeks are the standard.

thank you, gomen. I'm just used to meeting people who put too much thought into the words of others that they don't try and think about things themselves. it's important to keep that sort of confidence, you might not live the wealthiest life but you'll live a happy one.

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>out of place
>just stupid.
Litterally whut?

Also, tried to post the entire scene but the file was to big.

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Hey Yea Forums, I wanted to share something with you guys.
>labor productivity has been decoupled from actual real wage growth
>this implies that no matter how much more productive we are, we will probably get shit pay
>Japan is also one of the least productive in terms of hours worked
>Either way, all OECD countries are fucked because real wage growth might be difficult from here on out
>Firms are instead opting to give employees nonmonetary compensation, but this does not make up for the purchasing power lost of real wage growth
It is all fucked lads

oecd.org/fr/social/travail/Decoupling-of-wages-from-productivity-Macro-level-facts.pdf

>t. an actual economist

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Forced action

>tfw Marx was right
What do we even do?

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What was forced about it?

Semantics. If you cut corporate taxes, only a certain section of the population (those who own or run corporations) benefit directly. If you cut capital gains taxes, only those with enough spare capital to invest in the first place see any benefits. If you cut income tax rates across the population, those with a greater pre-tax income will see the greatest benefit. You can cut whatever taxes you want, but unless you're actively making the tax system more progressive (which seems like a rather rare occurrence in the past half century), you're going to be increasing income inequality. These unequal effects are exactly why people call it trickle down economics.

Supply side economics is a "legitimate theory" as much as communism is, and decades of global history have shown it to be just as much of a failure in practice because government tax revenue falls, companies are slow to create and fill jobs, and bigwigs pocket some of the windfalls along the way. That's why you get skyrocketing pay packets and bonuses for top executives while lower classes suffer record low levels of wage growth in every developed economy.

There was no need for there to be action in this series, KyoAni are just wasting their time appealing to shounenfags

they could just talk things oover

Yeah I don’t see what that has to do with anything though.

Suicide or revolution or with the fall of America from empire status possibly reform, but we'll see. The dialetics are in motion.

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You have characters capable of bringing armageddon and you dont want them to do something like this?

What are you on about?

>fall of american empire
>not global economic collapse
pic related

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nice

Nothing. It's just a buzzword used by subhuman retards to hate on anything they don't like. Report any post that say forced "x" for trolling outside of Yea Forums.

>implying shounenshit has action that good

kill yourself

Shut up HxH/JoJofag

>unironically using the term "shounenshit"
>when Maidragon is a gay shounen
Absolute state of Kyoanikeks

Hell no, nigger. That was the best part of the series and it makes perfect sense. What are superpowered anthropomorphised dragons meant to do for fun? Wish me got more of that cool stuff.

Well your right about the hxh one.

Thanks m/a/te

That's what I'm talking about. America will lose economic dominance and fall from empire status giving alternative economic systems like socialism another large-scale chance, as predicted by tons of economists.
Richard Wolff gives excellent lectures and makes great videos on exactly what you're talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=UBcP7CllFLU

top notch stuff

Stop being a sad anime hater. Enjoy the good things in life user.

>What are superpowered anthropomorphised dragons meant to do for fun?
Have sex with everything for the heck of it, according to Dungeons and Dragons.

>mfw its a seinen.

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people who unironically say "shounenshit" are the most annoying people there are though. I love anime still

>animators
This is where you apply it wrong. You should go at least to the writing team.

I mean, Tohru kinda falls into this.

seinenshit is just shounenshit with a different gook name you dumb dyke

Stop polluting the board and maybe people will stop calling you out on your cancer.

>say's the faggot doesn't even bother to support good Chinese LNs for anime
(You)

The best company for employee benefits

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>Chinese LN
>Good

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Right back at you kyoanuslicker

shame VEG turned out to be really mediocre

Good video lad, thanks for that. I might look into it a bit more. However,
>even if the US falls, it still has the best possibility out of all western countries to come back
>lots of natural resources
>tons of space, to where we can still have many children and immigrants and spread them all over the land
>soon enough the US might become energy independent as well
Climate change might be the biggest threat, but I do think it is more cyclical than we think. Who knows man.

>it doesn't appal to my personal taste therefore it's mediocre
It's a character driven show and it's great. Has some of the best visual storytelling in anime. It's genuinely sad that most anime don't come close to having as much substance.

>I want to be a manga author!

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I'd definitely recommend it. Wolff and Hedges are both extremely credible and well spoken economists which makes for great content.
>>even if the US falls, it still has the best possibility out of all western countries to come back
This is certainly true, but what we'll likely see (from my understanding and research) is a loss of global power which will make that difficult and not bring them back to their previous status. This leads me to believe we'll see a huge resurgence in labour movements once burgers realize they've been brainwashed.
Your points are good though. My biggest concern as a country which is dependent on America economically is that since their economy is based on imperialism, both economic and military, once a lot of the countries they siphon from are hit as hard by global warming as we predict, America will be hit harder than a lot of people expect.
But I agree, we'll see. We're certainly living in interesting times and I'm looking forward to seeing what the left has to offer as to solutions as I feel the right has failed pretty hard.

*laughs in work ethics*

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>Unions are worthless shit
In America, the new "union" is simply to claim racial discrimination. It becomes hard to fire incompetent people. Sometimes, the only way to get rid of one person is for the corp to close the entire department and then quietly rehire selected people to a new department that did the same work.

>I never worked once in my life.

It's a fucking LN adaptation there is zero chance it has good writing or characters.

If anyone actually wanted to support anime studies they would buy either merch or bluerays. Streaming services like CR give virtually nothing back to the studios

>Less than 100h per week
Oh buh buh, cry me a river. Japanese men having weak health is true.
The crunch in Management Consulting / Investment banking is much longer.

Some show are objectively bad user. Deal with it.

This low quality bait

mfw

Further proof that most "people" who attempt to criticise this show are underage/brainded.

I know you're not saying this seriously but I'm actually a management consultant and I can tell you that's not true. Even if it was, it certainly wouldn't last a whole month.

>since its cheaper than Kyouto which is rather expensive
The fuck? Kyoto is far cheaper than Osaka to live in. I fucking live here and I'd hate to go live in Osaka. And Osaka is only an hour commute away from Kyoto too. Whether you live in Kyoto or Osaka you'd easily be able to work in either city.

>it's bad because it's bad
Expected as much.

You're more likely than not replaceable as well. Programmers, engineers, hell even lawyers and doctors are becoming less and less rare every day.

Shame about the quality control.

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Stupid people like you deserve to be screwed over by businesses.

You're crazy.

I thought they wanted to be the next kyoani ahhahahahaha truly the next manglobe

Don't have much to contribute to this but you're doing good work, user.

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THE NEXT KYOANI THEY SAID

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Enjoy being poor when your socialist country collapse

because it's proven that they are: see Brownback Kansas experiment

Jesus why did you post that goblin.

Her hearty laugh is cute.

Do you honestly expect business owners to take responsibility for their irresponsible hiring practices?

>elevens
>paid overtime

Lol no he probably got in trouble for missing work

Do nips even want unions? Seems like they'd fight something like that for being leftist or something

>HURR t's bad because i say so
>still no argument to speak of
>deflecting
Fuck off back to plebbit kiddo.

He is causing a lot of trouble for his co-workers with all this bad publicity

Might even have to quit to help the company save face

柳沼和良@yaginuma_san
ボンズの制作進行が、一番辛そうだと思った。
他の会社の制作も徹夜の連続しているけど、なんか違う。

Carloooooooos.....

Tell me Mr. Luddite, what is your plan for society's future then?

Any new death in the last hour?

Unions can help in fields where conditions are actually nuts like a lot of industries in Japan, but when you get into shit like being forced to join a union if you work in a certain field or not even being allowed to vouch for yourself if you choose rather than doing it through the union is when things get really stupid.

Here's solution. Only buy and read doujins or watch crowdfunded anime. Most should go to the creators

are you fucking dumb or one of the CR subscribers?

CARLOSSSS

A well educated population will probably prevent that.

You're always going to pay corporate. International distribution in particular is something that is rarely done by studios themselves. BD/DVD are done by a publishers, some of the higher ranked staff members receive royalities, which usually get paid corporate -> studio -> staff, or corporate -> agency -> staff. Even Kyoani's international distribution is done by one of the usual candidates.
The current system is popular because it is extremely safe for studios, they don't see lots of money from the hits but they also don't lost anything when a series flops. Nothing forbids studios to fund originals, but the risk is too high for many studios. It's almost impossible for a well-managed studio to make loses with the current system. If a studio comes into the red, then their management fucked up.

Sunrise is a subsidiary of Bamco, you can't really compare them with Kyoani. Also, Sunrise still uses the standard business model, but in most cases they are just paid by their parent company.
Same with A-1 and Clover, both are subsidaries of Sony.
Kadokawa started to partner with multiple companies and started funding new "inhouse" studios. The main partner of KDKW for this endeavor us Sega.
Studio Engi is the first studio they founded, and will be doing the new KanColle anime.
There's also Cygames new studio.
On that note Madhouse is owned by Nippon TV which had a revenue of almost 4 billion USD last year and a net income of 340 million USD. Maybe focusing on the extremely profitable parent company is a better idea than focusing on the studio.

The US democrats redefined liberal because anything with social in the name would have gotten you lynched by the public during the cold war. Unions are weird, because they can be liberal or Illiberal. It really depends on how the union enfores their goals and what the regulations for unions are. Japan allows animator unions, but lots of animators don't want a safe or better paying job because the security and protection that the union provides makes it harder for them to rise up the ranks. Toei has a very good union, good pay, and good working conditions. Despite that lots of animators leave Toei after establishing themselves, because Toei is a bad place to advance your carreer. Lots of people like to see things as black and white, but unions are a complex issue, and bad implementation can damage an industry.
An example of a bad union is the Japanese cinema union, they use their position to enfore censorship. Eirin the Japanese movie rating agency has no power to ban movies, but the Japanese cinema union which covers most cinemas forbids members to screen movies that aren't classified by Eirin.

and without animation all you'd get would be manga panels narrated.

Yes. Efficiency is inversely proportional to time worked (with the right mindset). Germans understand this.

Voice actors need to land their jobs through auditions which is mostly luck, both because the amount of available roles that suit your voice/acting are limited (especially if you are a man like Wakamoto), and because there's literally hundreds of other seiyuu competing for the same role. Most shows these days last only one cour, so the actual income beyond next three months is always a mystery for the seiyuu.
This is why most popular seiyuu will take on as much work as they can even if they'd like to have more freetime for themselves. Also, doing one role isn't just showing up at the studio for few hours, it's also watching rehearse tapes at home to practise lines and their timings.

Sugita often jokes that he asks his manager (Morinaga) to give him vacation whenever some big game comes out but he always refuses. Sugita also said that he can't appear as a guest at foreign events because it's impossible to fit 2-3 day travels into his schedule.

you forgot to account for time spent eating and traveling to and from work to home.

Why is it that every time I read a post like this I can't help but picture a small kid with a bored face?
Maybe it's because I haven't met a single functional adult that says stuff like that.

Seems like Shirobako movie or s2 may be dark and someone will die/become hospitalized from overwork.

He should be honored to have accomplished this much work in so little time. A good rest is reward enough
t. fat balding Japanese CEO

I'd "hospitalized" my workers too for producing shit like that.

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I laughed too hard at this.

Brazil.

twitter.com/Nishiiterumi1/status/1120335848392646657

>cut the number of seasonal shows in half
>consolidate talent into a smaller number of studios
>fucking pay the animators and don't overwork them to actual death
there, i saved anime

Based submariner

twitter.com/Nishiiterumi1/status/1120354187848507392?s=09

>Weekly Manga Magazine Artist
That's where you fucked up your life decisions.

>it's all isekai LNs commercial
t-thanks.

Without animators, you can still buy the manga, which will be superior than the anime.

Animators who have not experienced karoshi have no right to complain.

How much an animator ought to be paid is decided by the studio execs. And studios need constantly work, or else they will never be paid. That means that they'll take as much work as possible without pause and try to deliver the anime as agreed upon with the committee.

The best selling shows of 2018 were Idolish 7, Zombie Land Saga, SAO, YuruCamp and Gridman.

This is kind of my impression when people say they work 50+ hours a week.

b.. .bu.. but d ..drawing is too hard!

and which shows earned the most profit?

>393 hours
Cool

Anime is art.

And if the animation was trash or non-existant that'd be fine so long as the audio was good?

Actually 16,3 hours

Checked!

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lol
Are you mad enough to work there?

Unions RUINED animation in america by pricing small houses out of existence.

16.3 days
12.6 per day

Unions are necessary, when properly functioning, for an efficient economy. Overworked slaves are not very good workers to be honest.

Unions and labor movements do more to benefit companies than head managers realise. Most CEOs are dumb fucks that don't realise that your business needs more people with money to increase demand of your goods. Unions make sure that happens.

Instead, they think not paying workers enough is the "free market" and a good management formula. It isn't. It's bad economics. An informed market recognises the needs for workers rights.

Chile

Fuck off burger. The UK is one of the best countries in the world.

what a madman

Human development requires more than mere tech development. You need cultural/knowledge development too.
Right now the west is transitioning from a nihilistic (peace and love) phase to an almost revolutionary phase where we've realised the devil was in the details the whole time.

I can' wait for the implosion of the anglo-sphere. These idiots will still blame the rest of the world when it'll happen.

Dumbest post I have ever read.

Here in brazil college is free, they even give you food and money for trasnportation and housing.

Also if you are really good at being lazy you can try to get a government job where you pretend to work 6 h (in theory, reality is like 3-4) a day. Also superior education in the army gives you everything free + eternal paying that even the grandchild of your grandchhild will be getting in 2300.

This.
I think there is more money than ever in the industry. The issue lies with management deciding to make QUANITY rather than QUALITY.
That might change as I've heard some companies are struggling lately.

It's not, you're just a humorless retard.

It doesn't help when you had the soviet threat last century. Only recently has there been any form of socialist stir in America because the threat vanished.

>muh /pol/
Fuck off. Yea Forums talks about whatever the fuck is relevant to Yea Forums.

>America will lose economic dominance and fall from empire status
>America
You fail to realise there is ONE empire currently running this world. Brexit is merely an autonomous region forming some special rules.

We haven't had real countries for decades, just states in one super state. If "America" goes, the WHOLE ship sinks.
I no longer consider any issue of one state "irrelevant" to a another states. It all has a domino effect.

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Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

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They only got their business model to blame, with the ridic BD prices of course I am only gonna buy the shit I REALLY love and everything that's not at least a 9/10 for me I won't even consider buying.

Oh yeah. /int/ memes and arguments about unions are totally relevant to anime and manga

Yea Forums kickstarter / crowdfunding anime when? I promise I won't run away with the money.

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fuck off newfag.

It's literally relevant to the anime industry in this thread's case. It impacts anime quality.

Voice acting ruins everything. Games become less complicated because you need to pay cash for someone to read out lines, so you compress and reduce. Anime becomes worse as you lower the budget for actual animation and writing so you can pay the same old voices to repeat the same old shit.

Media would be better if every human was struck deaf.

it's been done before like with Nekopara, LWA and YY OV's and it's good. that's what more studios should do instead of being tramps and starting a patreon like Nigger.

nice contribution retard.

kill yourself newfag.