Why are there some people adamant of making anime mainstrem...

Anime hasn't been "Niche" since the 90s dude, the only thing thats changed is how easy it is to access. Its not just on one channel for about two hours

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That correlation doesn't exist. Nigger & Tuesday is a flop already whereas something like Your Name is a massive success.

>see Carol and Tuesday
That's LITERALLY the opposite of what you just said.

Are you fucking retarded?
You do know there sunday morning anime right?

its ok, since west does not matter and China wants meme anime show. They are savin anime industry.

Oh this should be fun, please enlighten us on how C&T is PC propaganda

>Flop

I know from your 13 year old level racism you're a moron, but surely your not that stupid?

So is this another thread of "all the world is USA, specifically speaking my neighborhood"? In southamerica anime is so mainstream that we even have anime themed weddings youtube.com/watch?v=pU1tGkaJVj0 and i'm pretty sure is the same for Europe, I just imagine Asia is a given.

It's a flop that only appeals to a retarded section of the western fanbase therefore it's a giant flop.

Deal with it.

>anime
>niche
How many had Pokemon as their first anime?

Back in school if you didn't know what Pokemon was you were nobody, only the cool kids liked anime.

Oh it's just a pedophile making bullshit up, move on everyone this thread is shit

Deal with what, your whiny ?"I dont like it so it sucks" retarded?
Netflix doesn't give out numbers and it won't be officially available in English for a few months so there is literally no way to know its success level.

Oh but I can by checking chinese and jap sites. Let's just say you shouldn't expect good sales.

Technically Speed Racer, but Pokemon was the first thing I knew was an anime.

Are people trying to pretend that anime was in any way relevant? Pokemon and Toonami aside, only the weird kids gave a fuck, and adults didn't know dick about it. It's normal for a kid now to be into stuff like BnH and SnK.

I don't think Netflix shows have bluray sales

Are you from the US? Serious question. From what's I've observed, anime is already mainstream in Asia and Europe. They don't treat anime as something special, just another form of media to enjoy. Seems like every time I see people complain about stuff like weird otaku stigma or popularity about anime, it's mainly a US thing.

Except they do. Do you really believe stuff like Devilman Crybaby didn't have overpriced BD boxes being sold in Japan?
Nigger & Tuesday is already a flop and it can't be helped. For fucks sake the chinese do nothing but shit on the black cast.

I'm from the US and I see people everywhere talking about watching anime. Or watching anime in public. Not to mention how popular some stuff was when I was a kid. Stuff like Inuyasha or Yu Yu Hakusho or other Toonami/Adult Swim stuff. People like to pretend that certain types of anime don't count towards being mainstream though.

That's because anime has been big in snail land, spaghetti land, camel land and taco land since the 70's. Anime didn't get big in burger land until the mid 90's.

anime is not nearly as popular as it was 20 years ago

Do you acknowledge the difference then and now? Back then there were about 5-6 shows that kids knew because of Toonami and only weirdos went further. Now kids are essentially seasonalfags.

Lmao absolutely fucking blind

>inb4 muh Pokemon

Pokemon was a flash in the pan and calling a Pokemon fan an anime fan is like calling a girl who plays angry birds a gamer.

No? Is like calling a girl who plays Final Fantasy a gamer.

Sure, but only if she plays 7 because everybody else was and never picks up a game again.

>Why are there some people adamant of making anime mainstrem.
To lazy to learn Japanese.

Pokemon and YuGiOh don't count and you fucking know it.

What's up with the amount of shit threads today?

>today

Yes, today. It almost feels like Yea Forums or some other shithole decided to shipost here and to top it all off the mods haven't done shit today.

Anime is already mainstream, although only the tip of the iceberg is. What people want is to yank the whole thing out of the water (which I think is a bad idea)

I spend around fourteen hours a day on Yea Forums and there have been a larger number of shit threads today than usual.

sudacas are too poor and irrelevant to influence anime. only zogmerica and china have the power to ruin it.

On the industry side, to make more money. On the fandom side, so more anime gets made(/translated). Only hipster fuckwits who don't want to admit to liking something other people like are opposed to the idea of more people liking a thing.

How old are you user

>Why are there some people adamant of making anime mainstrem
money

Also I want to say anime is mainstream but its was really only pokemon, sailormoon, dbz and naruto. If only a few shows is mainstream is it fair to say that "anime is mainstream"? Alot of normalfags I know still just watch Live action shows like GoT and marvel movies.

Anime is mainstream in the same kind of way sci-fi and fantasy are: you get a handful of TV shows and movies that are pretty widely followed, but the rest has a cult following of genre fans at best.

I like this cunnysiouer artist.

Some people wants the other people to see things they like.

Dude, anime has always featured races aside from japanese, you'd know that if you watched stuff beyond iseki and high school romance junk.

I have a theory that just like gaming, there is this segment of the fanbase that is just... kind of guilty over their hobby, but instead of having the "secret club" mentality, like most of Yea Forums they want it to be mainstream and accepted. They want to wear their "

This.

Most people who want anime to get "recognition" and become more "mainstream" are failed normalfags who yearn for the approval of their peers.

Anime in general has never been mainstream. Select shows were mainstream despite being anime, e.g. Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, etc. but in comparison with other media anime is still tiny in the west.

>there is this segment of the fanbase that is just... kind of guilty over their hobby
I always notice this when it comes to VN with erotic content. You have this subset of the fanbase who always feel the need to point out that they don't care for the ero scenes, that they skip them, that the story would be better without, etc. which always seems rather forced to me. While I can from a rational point of view understand that some people feel better about the thing they like being more widely known and popular, it absolutely does not apply to me. If the erotic content keeps normalfags at bay then I eagerly embrace it - even if it did hurt the plot (which I'd argue it doesn't, because at worst it's treated as separate).

It seems they also want the kind of popularity the MCU has for their particular anime fandom. Sorry, but disney isn't going to adapt Yuri on ice for and turn it into the homo-sports-universe with a giant free, yuri on ice, and whatever else crossover olympics movie.

Hah, i remember this article on RPS ages ago where the author initially flat out condemns visual novels for being degenerate male gaze fap fests, but was complaining how there was too much mushy plot in the examples their friend showed them.

>If the erotic content keeps normalfags at bay then I eagerly embrace it
Not actively wanting wider viewership of what you're into I understand, but why would you want fewer other people being into what you're into?

There is something to the idea of an Olympic sports anime shared universe/crossover, though. Probably best done as a TV anime though; it certainly wouldn't warrant a series of big budget live action movies.

(((foreign interests))) want to get their dirty mitts on everything especially those that appeals to the youth, meanwhile the Chinese are also trying to get a foot hold in the industry and are already throwing their weight around.

This mentality is particularly present among any kind of "reviewer", both when it comes to anime as well as video games. They would like for themselves the social status of art critics yet the medium they're in doesn't really have that much to offer in that direction.
In my opinion these people misunderstand the media. The mode of critique of conventional media does not apply to anime or video games. What bothers some normalfag as "male gaze pandering fap fests" might as well be exactly what some people like about it, and getting rid of that would essentially turn it into something it isn't, something that doesn't have what attracted people in the first place.

>why would you want fewer other people being into what you're into
The fact aside that I consider these people annoying, I also consider them potentially harmful as they're attempting to rid the medium of the very things that made it appealing in the first place.

To be honest the normies are fine with all that sexual objectification stuff. It's just the guilty fringe of fandom have somehow twisted themselves into being puritanical yet call themselves open minded. It's like "we hurt you because we love you" logic

>The fact aside that I consider these people annoying
I find dragonballfags, to give one example, annoying but that's not a reason to want them all out of the anime fandom.
>I also consider them potentially harmful as they're attempting to rid the medium of the very things that made it appealing in the first place.
They're far less likely to do that than you think. The only thing that might outright rid any medium of a particular class of content is laws being passed, and they're generally more the fault of highly vocal and uninformed/misinformed moralfags than normalfags who know what the content is.

>To be honest the normies are fine with all that sexual objectification stuff
I think so too. Most normalfags would not even notice half the things that fans of the genre might worry about being offensive to them, yet they fall into the trap of thinking that it was these things that deterred them and kept anime from receiving the mainstream recognition it deserves in their eyes, when it is more a matter of most normalfags simply not having an affinity for the type of aesthetics of most anime in general, the visuals, Japanese type of storytelling and presentation, etc. It's literally the same thing with video games being supposedly "unwelcoming" to certain demographics due to objectification of women, etc. when it has more something to do with the genres not appealing to certain demographics due to the gameplay, subject matter, and so on.

>wonders why people want to make anime mainstream
>posts chinese artist
really makes u think

>I find dragonballfags, to give one example, annoying but that's not a reason to want them all out of the anime fandom.
I'm not referring to dragonballfags here. Most dragonballfags are completely harmless and a sizeable part of them is not even into anime in general.

>They're far less likely to do that than you think.
The problem is that these sorts of people have a tendency to weasel their way into the local companies and affect things that way, e.g. when it comes to deciding what gets localised, how it gets localised (e.g. translators re-writing things), and so on. Certainly, in Japan this is not yet the case so they are very unlikely to affect anime at the source, meaning that it won't affect Yea Forums, but I wouldn't say that these people pose no danger at all.

Waiting to get plowed

>I'm not referring to dragonballfags here.
I know. They're just one example of a group of annoying people. The point I'm trying to make is that if they're annoying, so what? There are a fuckload of people I find annoying, doesn't mean I want to exclude all of them from everything I've got any connection to.
>I wouldn't say that these people pose no danger at all.
Neither did I. Just that they're less of a problem than you're making them out to be.

I don't find them particularly annoying because they occupy different spaces. Unless you participate in Dragon Ball threads you will hardly ever meet Dragonballfags. And shounenfags in general. As I said: these people - their most annoying representatives in particular - often don't like anime in general so unless you seek them actively you won't be bothered by them. On Yea Forums for example most shounenshit threads are dominated by fujoshits, most of the typical male shounenfags are probably on facebook, reddit, etc.

>they're less of a problem than you're making them out to be
The less annoying people there are the better. In particular when they have a political agenda.

Funny thing is the female nerds i know are usually the filthiest people in my group, they are the ones who say the most sexually awkward things and dirtiest jokes. Though weirdly the ones i've not spoken too in a while and caught up with in the last couple of years have turned kind of SJW.

Not all interaction is done online or in a place of your choosing. I won't go into details, but I encounter anime fans of all kinds, even if they're single-title fans at the fringes. (Using a definition of "anime fan" that's more-or-less "is a fan of at least one anime title"
>In particular when they have a political agenda.
When they have a political agenda different from yours, you mean.

>Not all interaction is done online or in a place of your choosing.
It is fairly easy to avoid people in the offline world. Online, not so much.

>When they have a political agenda different from yours, you mean.
I cherish the status quo. You may view that as political but it is a mere reaction to outsiders invading our spaces with the intent to get rid of what made us seek them out in the first place.

I'm guessing works in some way related to the industry, either on retail or higher up.

>It is fairly easy to avoid people in the offline world.
Depends on your circumstances.
>I cherish the status quo. You may view that as political but it is a mere reaction to outsiders invading our spaces with the intent to get rid of what made us seek them out in the first place.
You're reading a lot into things that aren't actually there. If more than an isolated nutcase or two gets into visual novels specifically to rid all of them of porn, for example, I'd be fucking amazed.

I'd love to continue this debate, but I need to leave. Do feel free to get your reply on record; I'm not terribly fussed about having the last word or not.

Without going into details, correct.

Just normal weekend Yea Forums, nothing unusual

>Why are there some people adamant of making anime mainstrem
Here is your short answer:
The western view of anime is very filtered and inaccurate. Bringing more of those poor blind souls into anime is very dangerous for both real fans and normalfags. They see harmless shit like Naruto or Ghibli and think it's cool and all anime are like Naruto and Ghibli, so they mistakenly dive a bit deeper only to discover things like 'loli necro NTR' or 'catgirl harapan copro incest.' Uh oh, can't have that in my Christian household.

I've seen this happen to lots of people especially as of recent years. Before, everyone knew what they were getting into but now they do it to fit in with their friend groups. There are people literally having internet moral crusades against abstract art because of one thing they saw even though the anime elitists warned them about it through passive aggressive Twitter posting. The older fans who were accused and ridiculed of being gatekeepers or whatnot were right all along, who fucking knew.

If it makes you feel better, you can think of anime gatekeeping as protecting the normalfags' innocence.

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>You're reading a lot into things that aren't actually there.
I've given examples though. e.g. translators re-writing the content to fit their agenda. Sony has recently decided to not publish certain types of content in the west, motivating the decision by citing the #metoo debate.
Saying that there are no real world consequences is simply dishonest.
Now, I'm of course not saying that Yea Forums is significantly affected or at a severe risk, as we don't rely as much on localisations, but to say that I'm reading into things "that aren't there" is plain dishonest given the evidence.

Netflix will be the death of anime.

See:
Violet ShitGarden
Nigger and Tuesday
Castlevania (yes it matters and counts)

aw, come on, Castlevania is a great throwback to early 90s ultraviolet OVAs

Each other.

The second season snuck in anti-white, anti-male propaganda with the black dude totally pwning the white slaver dudes and the strong independent vampire cunt totally owning that weak ass beta male. The second season was twice the length it needed to be, padding for time with literal-who characters and revenge porn. I'm dreading whatever season 3 shits out.

Not (You)
Not by (You)

>watching cartoons

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Also fuck off Netflix-shill

>anti-white, anti-male propaganda
You need to go back.

Suck my nuts nigger

Because we need a hollywood anime.

>Tesla is run by an anime poster
What a time to be alive

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That's why you learn Japanese and get to the REAL niche stuff.

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>retarded racist salesfagbaby throwing a tantrum
It's already a success merely by being licensed y Netflix.

This. I a 30 year old security guard. The younger (18-25) coworkers all watch anime on their phones everyday. My supervisor, a 40 something ex marine, when on a rant about how overlord was good until season 3 when it “looked like shit”. My younger stepbrother who is a gear head Chad has asked me for anime recs multiple times (but continues to be a shonentard).
The internet making it available has made anime incredibly mainstream.