Why can't normalfags into mecha?

>because 80% of it is garbage that's designed to sell you merchandise
This applies to anime as a whole. It's not specific to mecha.

>The fact is that the best mecha series are fairly old
I wanna laugh at your joke but you're probably being serious. Your entire post just screams retard. You're no better than the NGE fags who proclaim for Anno to have invented the subgenre. Most old mecha are downright terrible. And I don't mean that they look terrible (Xabungle, Dougram, Votoms, Ideon), but even if they have exceptional animation they are utter dogshit (0079, Layzner, SDF).

You want normalfags to watch mecha? Don't pretend for mecha to be good. That's the first step. Acknowledge that most mecha shows and franchise are bottomfeeder garbage, no matter the era. How will that get people to watch mecha, you ask? It won't, but people will stop ridiculing the genre and its fans and by being more neutral towards both, might watch a show simply because they want to explore what their favourite show took inspiration from, e.g. NGE. Then they'll watch 2, maybe 3, maybe 4, and so on and so forth. If I was a casual I'd simply laugh at you and go watch something else. Pretending for mecha to be good is what damages genres reputation more than you could possibly imagine. Pretending for the genre to be good makes people have expectations. Don't encourage that.

95% of all Mecha shows are for 2 groups only: Manchildren and those who care for anime's history or a very specific show. You wanna give them recs? Literally no point in not just handing them Gainax' catalogue.

Full Metal Panic and Schwarzesmarken were the best mecha I've seen.

Code Geass, was a good anime, but average mecha. NGE was too much into edge psychology, wasn't that good in its mecha aspect. And I haven't watched many titles yet eg. TTGL, Gundam and Gunbuster.

FMP is literally a masterpiece and the only anime starting with "Full Metal" that's watchable.

>Acknowledge that most mecha shows and franchise are bottomfeeder garbage, no matter the era
I agree with this. That's why most of the stuff people recommend are things like Gundam and Ideon that haven't faded into the background in the past 40 years. Mecha isn't popular anymore though and it doesn't have the same kind of reputation it had in the 80s and before so there's not many people in the industry focused on making good things in the genre anymore. Not to mention nobody knows how to draw mecha anymore.

I don't care if people watch mecha really but if they want recs I'll rec them things I enjoyed, not just shit like Eva and TTGL that every mecha-illiterate fratbro hypes the shit out of because they haven't watched anything else. That being said I do like Eva and would recommend it but people shouldn't stop with it just like people shouldn't stop watching anime with DBZ or whatever flavor of the month seasonal show they got into anime with.

>0079
>the single most impactful and culturally relevant anime ever made
>utter dogshit
I had to stop reading right there.

Not even the most culturally relevant TV show of its own decade.

>the single most impactful and culturally relevant anime ever made
>this is what mechafags actually believe

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They can, they just like western live action shit like Transformers and Pacific Rim and don't care for anime.

Guess the Shin Seiki Sengen was something I came up with, then.

your taste is so fucking bad wouldnt be surprised if you watch capeshit

I thought Aldnoah Zero was pretty bad...and the others on that list (while good) are all almost at least a decade old.

So are you saying that there hasn't been a good mecha anime in a decade?

Because old mecha shows are fucking long.
Ain't nobody got time for that.

>lets do nothing but circlejerk stale UC Gundam and either ignore or shit on anything new and different
>why is our genre dyiing?

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The point is that Gainax shows are the most polished there are. If they like TTGL, there is a chance that they'll like Getter or Brave shit. However, there's no point in ever pushing those onto them unless they have admitted to like Gainax' polished works. Another way to make them mecha is by making them hate NGE and its fanbase. Then they'll watch niche shows and OVAs just to shit on NGEfans and Anno's habits of snatching shit from other works.

Besides, the question is why normalfags can't into mecha and the answer is simple: There aren't enough polished mecha shows. Polished shows are what they want.

Mecha is the Yea Forums of anime: Was never good, people just pretend it used to be good

It's not really a list about quality. SSSS Gridman and Franxx I don't think are thought of the same way the series in OP's image are.

They're only long because your brain has been fried by 13 episode series. Instead of watching dozens of seasonal series you could watch several 50 episode mecha series.

>So are you saying that there hasn't been a good mecha anime in a decade?
Shin Mazinger was the best mecha show from the 00s decade.

>Instead of watching dozens of seasonal series you could watch several 50 episode mecha series
Why would I though?
Better yet, why would you do that?

Honestly, I love SSSS Gridman, but I honestly think it is more of a Tokusatsu show first, sci-fi show second, and a slice of life third. For some reason, the mecha genre doesn't really cross my mind when it comes to Gridman. Maybe I'm just stupid.

That being said, I also hated Franxx. Probably the only Trigger anime that I dropped.

>Instead of watching dozens of seasonal series you could watch several 50 episode mecha series.
Can't recommend. Even seasonal shit has more substance than most (read: 90%) 50 episode mecha shows. There's virtually no reasons for many of them to have more than 35, if even. Takahashi's shows are the biggest offenders. Most aren't even pretty to look at, that's the worst part.

Break Blade, Fafner Exodus and Gargantia were all unironically good 2010s mecha shows

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What do you even mean by polished? Are you saying something like 0080 isn't polished somehow? I guess I'm not obsessed with something being polished because I thoroughly enjoyed my watch through of Gundam. But I feel like the same people that focus on polish think that everything pre-2000 had shitty animation despite this not being even remotely true.

Because I enjoy mecha and want to watch more of it. I'm just saying that you (and others) say 50 episodes is a lot and yet probably pick up more than twice that every season in seasonal series.

I'm sure you're one of those people that think every story is the same and can fit into some arbitrary number of episodes. Go on, tell me all about how much filler Gundam has.

Because Gridman isn't actually a mecha.

Dead "starter pack" facebook meme aside, isn't that a good thing? The less normalfags are into a particular genre, the better discussions about said genre can be.

>The less normalfags are into a particular genre, the better discussions about said genre can be.
I take it you have never visited /m/

Well look at the current state of mecha anime. Maybe you need at least a few normalfags to actually get something worthwhile in a genre.

Love CG and TTGL, cannot for the life of me get into Gundam (with 00). Why is this?

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Gainax works are polished because they focus on the best parts the genre has to offer. They trim the fat, all the terrible and tedious shit that you encounter, add exceptional animation, shiny colors and sell it to you like it's the first of its kind. They aren't overly longwinded, but instead are done within ~26 episodes. Non-Gainax mecha generally fails at cutting the fat, and that makes them tedious in the eyes of a casual watcher. I don't want to watch VOTOMs and see the same shitty story in 4 different environments, with deus ex machina all over the place and shit tier animation. I am a normalfag. I want explosions and characters I can relate to. Something that creates HYPE while not being silly. GaoGaiGar might create hype, but who the hell can take the transformation sequence seriously and not feel like they are watching a show made for a 5 year old? Tomino's retarded dialogue and the writing inconsistencies make you go nuts. Pre80s superrobo shows are downright terrible on all fronts.

That's what "polished" means. It appeals to the lowest common denominator while not making them feel like braindamaged retards. They can flock to TTGL and Gunbuster because it's le epik but still muh deep plus pretty colors and quips. Literally the MCU of anime. Although their works are way more polished than MCU CGI.

Zeta probably has at least 10 episodes given how the retarded dogfights, mobile suit hijacking and assaults only exist to advertise the merchandise, which is also why they usually happen at the end. Sorry pal, but something like Dougram has no right to be more than 30 episodes, and even that's already pushing it.

>part of the kit are two legitimately classic mech series
im sorry what

>characters I can relate to
That's why you only watch teenshit

>Love CG and TTGL
>cannot for the life of me get into Gundam
>Why
Why you ask? Clearly because of your shit taste.

I've probably already seen more mecha than you will until your dying day. I was explaining the thought process of a normalfag, mouth-breather.

Your definition of polished doesn't sound like a good thing to me despite you seemingly trying to make it seem like one.

>two legitimately classic mech series
Which ones? Eva's one I imagine? Is TTGL the other? Both of them are baby's fist mecha anime which is why they're on there. Regardless of what you think of their quality they have been entries into the genre for a lot of people and continue to be.

You might be more of a fan of Super Robots, then. Give G Gundam a shot.

>baby's first mecha
Gundam is baby's first mecha too, that literally aired on Toonami, Gundam isn't mecha too now?

Mecha as a genre is generally geared towards the future and exploring the future. Either how shitty it's going to be or how things don't really change, but in either situation you either have to perceive or be destroyed.

Most anime nowdays are escapism focused. Escaping to an idealized high school life. Escaping to another world. Escaping to a world where you can make friends. Escaping into another persons life. For the most part, unless you're an /m/ type person who loves giant robots, imaging escaping to another world with giant robots is awful. Since mecha is almost always about sacrifice and the last thing most people want to fantasize about is sacrifice.

The modern anime fan abhors the thought of having to give things away. They just want more

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>VOTOMS
>shit-tier animation

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I see nothing but people shitting on Gundam these days while hyping up Eva and TTGL as the best mecha anime. There are people in this thread blaming others for wanting people to start with anything Gundam. And there hasn't been a good entry in the series for quite a while (I kind of enjoyed G-Reco but it gets plenty of hate). Gundam isn't even on the same level as Eva and TTGL as entry level mech series/franchises.

Or maybe, I'm just not into mecha my dude. A lot of anime and VN I enjoyed and hold in very high regard feature them, but they are mostly just a vehicle to advance the plot (CG, NGE, TTGL, Muv-Luv). I mean, especially ML is nerdy as fuck with their TSF taking inspiration from real life fighter jets and whatnot, and hourlong infodumps about them and simulator trainings and whatnot, which I never minded. I mean, what's not to like about giant robots you can pilot to fight shit with? Maybe most mecha anime is just plain bad?

I'll give it a spin my mang.

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Gundam is on the chart as well, tard.

>doesn't sound like a good thing
Certainly is a good way to make money, which is the point of making anime. I don't even like most of Gainax catalogue but I have no problem acknowledging that they are geniuslevel marketer and that Anno is an exceptional salesman.

Now post the other 50 episodes. Layzner came out a year later and makes VOTOMS look like a show from the 70s. Granted, Layzner also has some of the most well choreographed cuts in TV mecha history, but during the time of 0079, Zeta, SDF, Layzner, Gorg, VOTOMS looks like dogshit by comparison. Fucking Casshern is less static, and that show aired during the mid 70s.

go back to where you came from, reddit rejects

>Maybe most mecha anime is just plain bad?
This isn't false, but there's still a lot of worthwhile things to watch that are mecha, Incidentally, a lot of good mecha focuses less on mechanical porn and more on how the mecha is used to advance the plot, just like you said. The other user is right, G Gundam might be up your alley. Our sensibilities are not too different so I predict you will probably suffer until episode 7, at which your investment will start to feel worthwhile. Imagawa is a genius and a visionary, he also understands what the Spiral means much more than Imaishi might ever hope to.

Because Mecha fucking sucks and is literal toy advertisement for children. Now stop making this shit thread.

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>Imagawa is a genius and a visionary, he also understands what the Spiral means much more than Imaishi might ever hope to.
Just jumping in to show you what it is you're doing wrong. You're overselling garbage again. Work on that. Nobody with a negative attitude towards mecha will take you seriously after this post.

t. normalfag that can't into mecha

>Nobody with a negative attitude towards mecha will take you seriously after this post.
Sounds like their problem to me. Imagawa really is a talented man, and it does take considerable talent to bring Gundam in the diametrically opposed direction while still retaining a lot of the core messages the original series had.

I'd call you a faggot but Layzner is pretty fucking fantastic so I can't bring myself to hate you.
0079 is full of QUALITY though so I have no fucking idea why you'd mention it.

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>Sounds like their problem to me.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you're trying to convince something to watch a show here. Seems like you have a goal. A goal which you're undermining by praising trash to the high heavens. So it sound like your problem to me.

Because it has exceptional cuts, unlike VOTOMS. The cuts you post barely even have any animation. Can't have quality if nothing ever really moves. Takahashi is a master of budget distribution which is why none of his shows ever have QUALITY. No clue how he even made Layzner look that good, given how none his other shows have any substantial animation whatsoever. Guess Okiura somehow carried the entire department on his back or something, only way I can explain it to myself.

>Correct me if I am wrong, but you're trying to convince something to watch a show here
No, you're right so far. I am trying to convince them to watch something, and I am explaining what I saw in that show. If they decide not to pick it up, it's too bad for them. My assessment of the show or of the author won't change.

>praising trash to the high heavens
Is this coming from the same person using the word "polished" earlier to talk about bottom of the barrel appealing series? I'm not the guy that recommended G Gundam but this just goes back to what I said in an earlier post. People are going to rec what they like, which might not be (and probably won't be) what a "normalfag that can't into mecha" is going to like.

I take it back, you're a fucking faggot.
Imagine being too much of a plebian to appreciate gorgeous mecha destruction.

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Because they are ridiculous

>they're ridiculous but the battle shonen that they watch instead isn't

Then why are you bothering to give a recommendation in the first place? If you bother to go that far, at least try to understand the opposition and what it is they are looking for. Make it sound interesting, but don't praise it. Give them a reason to watch it, but also try to not offend them. If you don't care about any of this I don't see why you'd ever even bother giving a rec.

Call me whatever you want. Doesn't change that VOTOMS doesn't have a single well animated cut. It's consistent mediocrity. No clue where this accusation even comes from. Who says that I can't appreciate VOTOMS visuals? However, my appreciation for Takahashi doesn't change that the show isn't well animated.

Mecha = good
Mecha with teenagers and whiny kid drama = shit

Are you just unable to appreciate anything that doesn't have the camera constantly in motion or something?

Are you illiterate?

Why would I rec something I think is trash just because some bandwagon jumper wants to be able to say he's watched some mecha by watching some shitty post-2010 series?

Because people just want entertainment value when it comes to mecha. No one cares about your hipster obscure shit that you all jerk off over in /m/ to feel special. I watched all the major series they recommend there. I read the Getter Robo manga and watched a bunch of other mecha series OVAs even though the main tv anime were trash. All the other mechashit are just as retarded and cliche as the mech series they make fun of, literally just hating popular things for being popular. While Code Gayass, TTGL and Evangelion are flawed. They're inherently more entertaining and memorable than any of your contrarian trash.

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Because you want them to come back for more. If that wasn't your goal then you wouldn't have a reason to rec them anything in the first place. You'd just send them to /wsr/.

>at least try to understand the opposition
That's what I did in my rec, I warned that the early episodes are a slog but that the series picks up from there. The only other criticism I can offer of the show borders on spoiler territory and I don't dare to go that far.

I want entertainment value too which is why I don't watch empty hype series like TTGL.

I've been watching Ideon. Why do they keep letting that trigger happy girl pilot the crotch of the mecha?

Which mecha anime are more hype? I guarantee I've watched it and it's nothing special and you're only saying that to be a special snowflake. Also what's empty hype?

>Which mecha anime are more hype?
I'm saying I'm not a retard that needs hype for something to be enjoyable. The fact that you took my post as saying that just shows how shitty your taste is.

>I'm not saying I'm not a retard that needs hype
Where in my posts did I specifically say a series needs hype to be enjoyable? Also the fact that you can't actually defend your tastes and can only run away and spout ad hominem you're /m/ in a nutshell. Go ahead and list all of your "full" hype series but you won't, you're scared of criticism.

Yes, but you pair it up with
>genius
>visionary
>this guy you know (and maybe like) is a hack
It comes off like you're trying very hard to be special while saying
>it gets good after X episodes, just trust me

I think we both know that the latter has become a very commonly used meme among normalfags to shit on older shows. Normalfags are just gonna shrug it off and never watch the show cause you just insulted something they like. Almost the same people do in pre-2000s threads, where 95% of the users can't talk positively about cel animation without shitting on digital. No surprise that many hate and ridicule them.

It's no longer culturally relevant
Warfare has moved away from stronger and stronger manned vehicles/infantry power towards remote/autonomous robotics and over-the-horizon shit. Mecha no longer stands in as a metaphor for cutting edge tech; a 201X version of mecha might be a drone pilot drama or swarm AI research lab setting.
Also, teen pilots are shit. Eva did it well, and I don't think that it can be topped anytime soon. Those that try in earnest (rather than those that try to subvert) just flop on normalfags because normalfags don't want a bland self-insert 14 year old. Those that subvert end up being a poor man's Eva anyway.
Also, mecha seems to just be something shows use to differentiate themselves rather than anything useful. So much mecha is just an excuse to use BIG GUNZ or MARSHAL URTS in a way that is just 1980s Hong Kong Martial Arts flicks, but in sitty CGI at 12 FPS and in a clunky bodysuit, ending up looking like power rangers. More sensible fighting might help, e.g. mecha patrols through occupied bandit country or a rolling front of thousands like a modern blitzkrieg

t. enjoyed DitF but skipped the mecha scenes, found TTGL boring, loved Eva.

There you go again thinking I'm talking about shows with more hype than TTGL and not that hype in general is bad. By "empty hype" I mean shows where the hype is the defining aspect of the show. I don't find the hot blooded stuff in TTGL (and Gunbuster for another example) entertaining, so your whole "looking for entertainment value" thing is flawed since two people might not find the same things entertaining to them.

But the thing is I truly believe that this man is a visionary because of the things he was able to accomplish and how he was able to reformulate gundam in a completely different manner while still holding true to some of the concepts that made the original memorable. Imaishi is also a hack but this is beyond the point.

I am also aware of the 'it gets good after seven bajilion episodes' meme, but this wasn't me trying to make an excuse, it was me trying to 'consider the opposition', to borrow your own words. As I said, I share some of my personal sensibilities and inclinations with that user, so I just wanted to give him an heads up. I wanted to come clean with him as much as possible, without mentioning some of my other complaints that have to do with the finale and that would just be flat out spoiler. Not out of antagonism, but out of curiosity, I wonder how you would have done it.

>Also, teen pilots are shit. Eva did it well
Why do you think Eva did it well? Have you watched any Gundam series or any older mecha series that did the "teen pilot stops wanting to pilot the mech" thing before Eva?

>talking about shows with more hype
When did I ever use the word the hype? Can you point that out to me? And even if someone thinks a show is "hype" isn't that also subjective? Which is basically what the rest of your post is about. You're saying you just don't find whatever to be entertaining, which is subjective. So you contradict yourself and still run away like a coward unable to list the shows you like. Because you're scared I'll call you out on the ridiculous storylines and braindead action, which is on par with the mainstream series that you claim to hate.

>I wonder how you would have done it
I would have send them to /wsr/ because I am lazy and most people who ask for recs never give you a lot of information to work wtih. So you're already better than me.

This.

>which is on par with the mainstream series that you claim to hate
I don't hate mainstream series. People always try to claim this when I say I don't like something they like. If I hated mainstream series I'd hate Eva too (and hell, Gundam) which I already said I like earlier in the thread. I first used the word hype because that's what I see TTGL as. But you latched onto my use of that word as if I was talking about things with more hype and not that hype is shit if it's the only thing offered by the show. You accuse me of contradiction when you did it first in your original post by claiming that Geass, Eva, and TTGL are somehow a better source of entertainment value than any other given mecha series. In fact this whole thread is people taking their tastes as objective but at the same time throwing out the subjectivity card to shut down arguments is retarded.

This. The only reason the top three are fun is because it's got other aspects to it then the Mecha. No one would like Code Geass if it was solely robots punching eachother the entire time, and no one would like GL if it wasn't memorable manliness, and no one would like EVA if it wasn't so unique.

I'll admit that I haven't watched most of the older stuff. I watched Eva without knowing it was a mecha, and I hated Shinji the first time when I was a teen looking for more 'badass' MCs after I'd just watched AoT and FMA as babby's first anime. Rewatching it over the past couple years has been a real treat though, now I've developed my sense of taste a lot more and I'm no longer 17.
The show is really stylish, which I like, and the characters are proper characters rather than just archetypes of MC, main girl, senior scientist etc., and it portrays depression and trauma rather well. It probably helps I rewatched it not long after my own life fell apart a bit.
I don't know if I'd want to watch an older Gundam if it was going to be similar to Eva, nor if it was a relluctant pilot but still focused on the mecha fights. What I liked about Eva was that you could ignore the actual mecha scenes much of the time. If an older Gundam was like this, a mecha where the mecha could be ignored, I would certainly be interested.
I guess Mecha might just be an uncanny valley for me, partially for the reasons I gave above

Switch Aldnoah with Franxx and it's pefect

Gundam was designed exactly like this. Tomino never gave 2 shits about the mecha, and just saw it as a tool to let the characters interact. He hated them so much, that one day he smashed a gundam figurine at a convention while screaming "This is your Gundam sequel, are you happy now?"

Compare and contrast this with EVA, in which the Robot was one of the main advertisement points back in the day.

>it's got other aspects to it then the Mecha
This is literally every mecha series ever made. There are very few, if any, series that are just constant mecha fights. Most shit that those three series did were done decades earlier.

macross frontier was good, as well as the other ones but macross delta wasn't as good

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Why?

dead genre for old men

Giant anthro robot fights look stupid thats why. I still regret watching Dung in the Faeces.