Why do people waifu villains if they know they're 90% of the times going to die?
Why do people waifu villains if they know they're 90% of the times going to die?
Nathan Anderson
Ryder Baker
Let's me have more waifus without having to cheat on the previous ones.
Matthew Jones
Evil girls simply tend be the best girls.
Nicholas Carter
that only makes my dick harder, op
Brandon Davis
Dat ryona face tho.
Caleb Thompson
>if they know they're 90% of the times going to die
This might be news to you, but they're all gonna fucking die sooner or later.
Ayden Adams
The ryona is the appeal.
Christian Phillips
The difference is is that you watch them die.
Juan Price
Yeah, kind of hot, isn't it?
Adam Torres
edgy girls are cute
Sebastian Russell
How cute?
Camden Gonzalez
People should waifu "villains" instead of villains, those have better chances.
Charles Butler
Why does it feel like male villians are always or mostly redeemed as opposed to female ones?
Leo Morris
>Let's
Christian Perez
Are there any good shows where the villain ends up winning the MC bowl?
Ian Collins
Thats part of the charm. I imagine that I'll reunite with them when I pass. When I pass I'll be buried with all my figures I've collected over the decades like the Pharaohs of old.
David Thomas
Because female villains usually have to go into irredeemable territory to be taken seriously and actually hated. Male villains have more wriggle room and don't have to do so much to establish their villain credibility.
Grayson Miller
holy fuck what's going on in that gif, is she getting her uterus obliterated by a Justice Beam or some shit?
Nathaniel Bailey
The villains with best chance at either redemption or just running away with everything are either minors or characters that look and act like minors even though they are much older.
Jace Ross
She's taking a "all your combined hopes and dreams attack."
Easton Lewis
Isn't it the best seeing that smug face get annihilated?
Logan Rogers
im a huge faggot for asking but sauce?
dick is diamonds rn
Ryder Harris
So they never have a chance to get rejected
Gavin Sanchez
It's Fate
Owen Wilson
super cute
Ayden Miller
I noticed that light haired villain girls seemed to have made a comeback. A couple years ago, villains usually had darker hair.
Jason Torres
Fate/Grand Order, gacha game
That’s Kama, taking control of Sakura’s body with Loli, Middle Schooler and Ara ara forms
Luke Flores
Don't be gay, user.
Juan White
Because they're usually more mature and hotter with better bodies and style. For some reason the nips don't like hot and mature female protagonists judging by teh severe lack of such characters
Cameron James
Male villains that get redeemed usually have some method to their madness, like wanting to change society because of some trauma or revenge. Female villains are almost all batshit crazy because for some reason writing a female villain with actual motives is ridiculous.
Kayden Reed
This. The female heroine is almost always some boring bland basic girl, while every other girl in the series (especiall the villains) are allowed to have some personality and style.
Nathan Ramirez
>Why do people waifu villains if they know they're 90% of the times going to die?
Not this one
Lincoln Nelson
>writing a female villain with actual motives is ridiculous.
Gotta keep it somewhat realistic
Juan Butler
Kama looks like Sakura, but doesn't have her body. It's a BB sort of situation.
Jose Cox
>ichika is made the villain
>love her even more
Can anyone explain this?
Evan Bennett
The best!
Christian Bailey
It's hot?
Luis Anderson
Why is she crying and what is that light
Jordan Gutierrez
Why is this so?
Mason Perry
>New servant comes out drawn by some H artist
>Spend an even jerking it to his works
The FGO cycle.
Brayden Young
Wouldn't you be crying too if you were being disintegrated from the inside out by light?
Carson Green
It's part of the appeal. Having an on-screen death brings about a sense of closure and completeness to a character. In fiction, deaths are almost always important and if done well can make the character a lot more interesting than it would be if it just lingered on.
Noah Perry
Spicy
Josiah Richardson
This is the sort of content we need.
Andrew Garcia
The dick wants what the dick wants, the problem is they don't accept it and either get mad their waifu got killed and rage at the hero or demand that she lives and gets redeemed. The Sweet Mask fight from OPM is the perfect example of how retarded villain waifu fags can get
Bentley Watson
they're too sexy not to
Noah Gutierrez
I miss ReDrop Asuka doujins. Motherfucker better draw Kama lewds, like Matsuryuu lewded Helena.
Connor Davis
the heart wants what the heart wants
Nathaniel Ward
I just want to take her home and make her good by repeatedly fucking her senseless until she only wants to be my wife.
Asher Perry
Evil grils are always the sexiest.
Levi Brown
the opposite is actually true
Charles Rivera
Which manga is it?
I remember that I read it years ago but I don't remember the name.
Carson Long
What's her name?
Anthony Morris
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Male villains are unceremoniously vaporized 95% of the time, and then they tend to stay dead. If she's hot enough, even the most one-dimensional of evil cunts stand a high chance of getting to stick around forever because boners. There's a reason why even if a half-naked titty villain has been shot in the head, set on fire, and then had her clearly dead burning corpse with half of her brain sticking out picked up and thrown into a meat grinder before the whole contraption explodes into a pile of dust, a lot of people will still expect her to be behind some surprise reveal later.
Robert Johnson
Go away not /ALTER/ nobody likes you.
Parker Lewis
because they're hot
and normally have more personality, humanity and goals than the dumb heroine
Oliver Jackson
Doesn't matter if they die or not. Your love for your waifu is eternal.
Jaxon Jenkins
>mein
>having humanity, personality, or goals
She has the flimsiest fucking reason to be as much of a cunt as she is and only exists to be hatefuck-fuel
Juan Stewart
being a cunt for the sake of being a cunt is much more appealing than serving some bloke just because he was nice
Want to be the absolute ruler of your kingdom even if it means getting your hands dirty is also a much loftier goal than wanting to be together with someone you "love"
Nolan Stewart
what the fuck is a villain
Christian Gomez
>this thread
You wouldn't dick a villainess now would you Yea Forums?
Lucas Richardson
John McCain
Nathan Myers
The only time women are allowed to be personally important to the plot (and not just in that they affect a male) is when they're antagonists.
I would go for protagonists more often if they were anything more than eyecandy that exists to look pretty and lust after the self-insert MC's schlong 95% of the time.
Antagonists are far more often able to have an actual personality and an impact on the plot as a whole compared to utterly impotent female heroes.
Gavin Morris
Brainfart. Replace every instance of "antagonist" with "villain", and "protagonist" with "hero".
Liam Russell
with the force of a thousand suns
Christian Jackson
Being a comedically evil mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon villain who only gets guy because her surrounding cast actually shares a single brain cell does not make her a good villain. I agree with your premise, but Mein is a shitty example
Angel Miller
There aren't that many girls in anime that could be described as evil though, it's more of a trope, or your just describing an antagonist, not to mention the large swatch of "evil" characters that exist just as joke characters in light hearted shows, and even less that are designed in a way to be desirable, it's such a small niche, really the only reason the thread is up is because people like the idea, not because their are a ton of examples
Tyler Lopez
You're reminding me of a thread from a year and a half ago, there's a decent amount of villain females I guess if you think about it, most of them are designed to be likeable though because anime as a medium tends to gravitate towards things that are enjoyable and fun, as opposed to western media or authors like Steven King where things are bad and only going to get worse, in anime if you make a villain they're not usually going to be evil villains, or if they are then they're designed to be unwaifuable hags like Ragyo
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Christian Smith
>I agree with your premise, but Mein is a shitty example
If she was any more charismatic she'd steal the show. People spend hours upon end justifying hero/heroine interacts, dispositions and reasoning but for some reason keep writing her off as a cartoon villain despite her actions and methodology being viable for her time period and position.
It really hurts sometimes to see an author give a character so much background, exposition and time just to have them kill them off, chink novels are the worst offenders but malty/mynes treatment in the original novels pissed me off. She was under used for how much she was built up.
Nicholas Hall
You seem to have generated some kind of head-canon wherein she is a better villain than she is.
Nolan Jenkins
Because she's still redeemable. And I pray for her not to die (almost) every day.
Eli Moore
You retarded bro she performed her mission perfectly. The other frag was clearly the one that was the focus so Malty was always gonna be die anyway, why wouldn't she go the extra mile when she had the chance?
Blake Collins
isnt that what waifuism is all about?
James Garcia
Mondlicht
Samuel Harris
Because starting fucked up and getting somewhat redeemed is a lot more appealing than being a good girl from start.
Zachary Evans
Because they are way hotter.
Ian Morris
evil girls are just hot
Nathaniel Walker
Funny how you posted main protagonist of her own series
Angel Parker
Is it better for a waifu to die pure or being taken by the MC though? In the first case she could be just isekai'd to user's world and user could be her first.
Samuel Butler
They only die if you kill them.
Jack Rodriguez
But Miku has been a slut since day one.
Adam Evans
>his waifu actually eventually dies
Can't be me LMAO
Anthony Rivera
Ever since one particular case, I don't anymore without checking their fate beforehand. If the series is still going I wait. I also do this for other characters in series with a risk of death.
Jaxon Smith
user, the slut is in your mind.
Easton Russell
Gundam Seed Destiny.
Ayden Bailey
Wait, you said "good", nvm.
Wyatt Butler
So is the waifu.
Hudson Taylor
I like those "villainess" in those Shoujo isekai manga, they're actually pretty lovable
Ryan Sullivan
Exactly.
Chase Gomez
Because evil is cute?
Camden Adams
She lives in my chaldea though
Henry Rivera
but she still lives in my heart though
Joshua Lewis
its primal instinct to tame a beast, just like "beauty and the beast" where women love the story of taming the "beast" into gentlemen, male also love the story of taming the "villain" into prime wife material
Joseph Wilson
Waifuvillians end up changing sides 50% of the time. Are you retarded?
More often then not it goes like this:
>Waifu villain gets defeated.
>Transfers to mc's class
>Everyone has their guard up
>Daaaarling~ I love you now
Jose Bell
How common is villainess mindbreak I’m in hentai?
Owen Turner
Any stories where villainess is the main love interest and ends up winning the MCbowl?
Andrew Sullivan
Caligula (anime, not game) has that, but it's a hit or miss show no one even seen.
Robert Davis
All SekaiKei are like that to some extent.
Madoka, Mirai Nikki, Devilman
FROM A CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW
But not explicitly what you are looking for.
There is some fringe unfinished manga that does this, like the Hero is after the demon lord girl or some shit.
There is unironically no series that really does it completely. And I actually extensively and explicitly searched for it once. I am pretty sure it does not exist.
Josiah Lee
Plenty of Eroge do this.
James Murphy
Why are her limbs like that?
Cameron Young
It's hot.
Grayson Anderson
If they are actual villains that do evil shit then they rarely get redeemed (and it's often called shit writing when it does). Can you think of a single female villain that was hated, swapped sides and people liked it?
Jose Long
to be fair she is also the main heroine, but fate stay night
Oliver Kelly
Katanagatari
Brody Gutierrez
People usually enjoy when cute villains change sides even when they don't do anything to redeem themselves.
Aiden Thomas
She's not a proper villain if people find her cute. Hot sure, but if she's a competent villain most viewers will at least dislike her. You're thinking of minor irrelevant villains that do nothing.
Liam Phillips
>villain kills MC's BF
>mindbreaks the MC with hot lesbian sex
Zachary Mitchell
Isn't Seiba the main heroine of FSN?
Aaron Turner
That happens even with objectively not cute arguably relevant villains though.
Carter Brown
Only in one route
Jace Perez
Seibah is the main heroine of the first route
Rin of the second route
and Sakura of the third and final route
Aiden Richardson
>actual villains that do evil shit
Well, villains that do evil for the sake are retarded anyway.
Christopher Collins
shes immortal
Xavier Campbell
Your pic related gets redeemed and joins the throne of heroes though, so she can revive if you summon her
Connor Sullivan
No. People absolutely LOVE great villains.
Great villains are the most popular characters in many franchises.
For example, the Joker is as well-liked as Batman himself.
But they can't just be evil for the sake of evil. That's not a good villain at all. They must have motivations and backstories.
The best villain is the one whose motivations are arguably much better than the heroes.
Who is more competent than the heroes.
And who then wins.
Dominic Ward
Cats are for fucking
Aiden Robinson
Was meant for
Cameron Diaz
Just thought about it. And the only case I know is Princess Tutu - fully and completely what you are asking.
Tyler Bennett
I love villains
Logan Baker
Not that many.
Hunter Reed
Lilith did it in one of their best game ever see
Lune-soft has several games like
vndb.org
and whatever game has Butcha's waifu, see whatever incarnation pic related is in.
Levi Thomas
Aren't Lilithsoft heroines many times evil/villains of another story?
Brayden Adams
>Villain is a super cute blonde teen with literally godlike powers.
>She was fed up with the world she lived in (because it was a ‘corrupted’ form, if you may say, of her original world and she felt alienated in it).
>She fought against the whole world and won. Then, she used her powers to destroy and reshape the world until it transforms back into her original world.
>She did it over a billion times, through billions of years, but she still couldn’t get it back into her original world (because she doesn’t remember what it looked like any more).
>MC of the story (who was born in the version of the world that she hated) is mostly immune to her powers and suffered through the times she endlessly transforms the world.
>MC of the story was fed up with her shit and challenged her, and if he were to win she’d revert the world back to the form where she was born.
>They fought billions of times, but MC lost every single time.
>But as they fought MC noticed the goddess’s weaknesses: she still had a human psyche, so the more she fought, the more she was mentally exhausted. Moreover, the source of her power was unstable and was slowly destroying her.
>MC played the long game and was very close to beating her.
>However, through the countless years they spent together, MC started developing a stupidly severe case Stockholm syndrome over her.
>He gave up and encouraged her to continue her route and find her home.
>Villain’s own Lima syndrome kicks in. She gave up herself, and she was also at a turning point where her powers became so unstable she’d soon implode and die by herself.
>She used her remaining of powers to restore MC’s world back.
>Everyone in that version of the world was still fucking hostile over her and wanted to fuck her up.
>MC’s unparallelled Stockholm syndrome is still in full force, and he decides to fight the whole world to protect her.
>The whole fanbase imploded on itself.
Timeless.
Aiden Torres
>she’d revert the world back to the form where he* was born.
Ayden Scott
Sauce?
Camden James
The villains are very rarely romanceable with a good ending see pic related who died terribly.
Most lilith games are about degredation, brain washing and breaking down the main characters. These themes can be fun but I usually don't like how Lilith does it.
Seigi no Henshin Heroine o Sasaeru Ore to Aku no Onna Kanbu being an exception and is fucking great.
Anyone read Bastard! ??? I think this series is nothing but anti heroes villains.
Ayden Miller
μ is NOT evil. She just wanted to make everyone happy.
Jackson Richardson
By kidnapping people and imprisoning them against their will, then favoring some people's happiness over others including one who wanted to torture his bullies for all eternity (who then got to die in her "safe paradise"). And she even destroys all humanity in the games bad ends.
Aaron Taylor
What happened to sharkgirl anyways?
Juan Walker
She became a rich crime lord in some underdeveloped country and lived a fun life tricking dumb people even without her power.
Christian Jones
Yet everyone on Yea Forums loves Esdeath despite that being her motives.
Ayden Gomez
People loved her way more when it was hinted that she had some depth to her. She lost a lot of fans when it was revealed that she was evil for no raison, and even her good traits were just a mask that she used to manipulate her subordinates.
Grayson Anderson
I am here to remind you.
Caleb Gutierrez
Silly user
You can't help who you fall in love with.
John Sullivan
Why did the anime end so much fucking different than the manga
and why did the manga end with him plowing her with his giant dragon dick
Like what the fuck
Easton Foster
>Quinella
>had both of her arms chopped off, stabbed through the chest (and then the sword exploded in her, blowing a hole through her torso), before being burned alive by a flame elemental (almost literally) sticking a flamethrower to her vagina and blasting her insides with fire
>people still think she survived that
Jacob Ramirez
First off, you don't choose who your waifu is. It just happens.
As for your question, let me elaborate:
I am speaking from experience. Pic related is my waifu, and she dies in most iterations she appears in. While she's usually not that evil, and in the most recent Cutie Honey even switches sides, she is generally considered a villain, often a minor one, and killed by the heroine.
I love her personlaity, her smugness, her compassion, her dedication, her fun-loving positive side, but also how she generally struggles with her loyalties and values.
Does it matter to me that she dies? No. Not at all. She stands for so much more. And she only dies in those fictional works. The idea that she is an expression of is very real and can't be killed.
Does it hurt when she is killed on-screen? Yes. And it hurts even more when she suffers. But that just shows me how much I love her. Again, it's something I expect to happen, but it doesn't matter in the big picture. Not to her and not to me. Our love transcends such petty details.
Dylan Baker
This is Raildex, right? Sounds like terrible writing.
>villain has godlike powers, but agrees to the challenge for no reason
>MC's stockholm syndrome somehow trumps getting killed billions of times
>villain keeps using her powers to kill MC and not just a gun
Ayden Cox
That's not really about object oriented programming, as the class you derive your object instance from doesn't itself change. It sounds more like you're talking about mutability, copy constuctors and program states.
Jackson Reed
It's accurate in prototype based programming (which is OOP), in which you have a generic Miku object and you extend it with pure and slut properties. Though it's clearly talking about people extending the original and instantiating their own version (they never really instantiate the abstract class they actually receive).
Jackson Davis
I just purposely left details otherwise I'd just be rewriting the whole novels. But the writing actually goes into details about everything.
>villain has godlike powers, but agrees to the challenge for no reason
She had a good reason : she needed him around and was essentially afraid to kill him (permanently).
The true nature of MC's powers is that it's a "reference point" to the world where he was born. Its nature gave it the ability to deny any attempt to modify the world through supernatural means (hence why it negates magic and esper powers, which are essentially supernatural attempts to modify the world). But it also holds exhaustive information about MC's world, and although MC can't do anything with that, someone with godlike powers can use that to restore his world (that's how she managed to do it).
And if you paid attention to her motivation, you may have noticed that she's afraid of changing the world too much (in which case she'd lose hope to return to her original world). But with MC's power, she can at least restart from his world if she fucks up too much.
If the holder of that power were to die, it will just transfer to something else. And she can't control where it goes. It may actually transfer to something much more troublesome than him or transfer to herself (which would be troublesome in itself too). So she preferred torturing him mentally until he became unable to oppose her (and she did succeed with that).
>MC's stockholm syndrome somehow trumps getting killed billions of times
He actually forgot 99% of his death experiences due to trauma. And that's also why he managed to push her to her limits, since he forgot 99% of their fight while she remembered everything and had to suffers though much more mental stress from repeating the same shit over and over again.
>villain keeps using her powers to kill MC and not just a gun
What's the point when her powers can kill him? And a gun fired by her would be useless against him.
Luke Ortiz
>It's accurate in prototype based programming
You can harly speak of instances in prototype based programming. Generally speaking, the concept you describe, where you add properties, is inheritance. And I don't think it fits waifuing well. You do not actively alter your waifu, after all.
I'd say that making a mutable copy is the best parallel you can draw between the two: The waifu keeps all her properties but might change her values over time. She is, however, not independent from the original class - that one still defines her very much.
Parker Lewis
The sexy part of a woman isn't how she goes, but how she lives.
Julian Mitchell
What if the villain gets claimed by the MC?
Jose Allen
>where you add properties, is inheritance
I'd say that's not as clear with for example composition and interfaces. That's definitely not Yea Forums though.
Then she becomes the heroine.
Gabriel Davis
Blake Long
>I'd say that's not as clear with for example composition and interfaces.
It still works with those concepts. But let's stick to traditional classes. No one would want to equate a cute anime girl with a shitty interface, right?
You are right that it's not Yea Forums ... but it's an interesting metaphor. Of course, I'd claim that having a waifu is more than just having one instance of her. It's very much about loving all there is to her, her general idea, all that constitutes her character. In that way, you do love the class and all possible instances, with all possible mutations. What the Ancient Greeks would call "dynamis". At least that's how it works for me.
Bentley Cooper
Alexander Jones
So ... should we turn this into a "villainess thread", now that no one seems to be discussing the OP's point anymore?
Who's your favourite non-waifu villainess, anons?
Mine is pic related.
Nicholas Miller
I'd like her more if she wasn't a 13 year old child.
Sebastian Stewart
Christopher Martinez
Sadly, we never had a chance to see her grow up, due to shit writing.
But she looked quite mature for her age, don't you agree?
Grayson Brown
If your waifu is dead nobody can steal her.
Juan Wright
Reminder that she had the biggest hips of her age group (Hinata had the biggest breasts).
Thomas Phillips
Literally team rocket tier only that team rocket is actually self aware.
Jace Martinez
>the biggest hips
And without being fat. She definitely has the best, most fertile, build of all the girls. And it's not as if her breasts were bad. The contrary, actually: I find them extremely desirable. And so does Shikamaru!
Ryan Gutierrez
Nah, Shikimaru didn't give a shit about her. Early Naruto was weird compared to the later series, where every villain, even Orochimaru and Obito, got treated with sympathy, if not by the characters, then by the narrative.
Justin Murphy
>Nah, Shikimaru didn't give a shit about her.
He did respect her intellect and strategic mind. And he certainly respected her body with all the shadow groping going on.
Of course, Kishimoto didn't really know what he was writing and henceforth ignored all of the chemistry he had (accidently) built. But there was lots of tension between them that a better author would have used effectively.
Oliver Roberts
Because they're irresistibly sexy and you want them to be redeemed to see more of them. But if the writer is a brain dead faggot and makes a villain of pure perfection irredeemable and kills them then what was the point?
All waifu villains should have some level of decency so that stupid shit like this will never happen again.
Zachary Johnson
they're hot
Cameron Barnes
Took me like an hour but I found the sauce on this girl and proceeded to beat the fuck out of my dick so goddamn hard that it hurt when I peed
Jacob Bell
They tend to be a lot more interesting than the boring perfectly perfect heroine.
Carter Moore
People seem not to get upset when it's a female doing the raping.
Dominic Smith
Is that SICP?
Asher Rodriguez
Why is Cutehime so cute?
Ryan Taylor
because the villains are cuter?
Angel Sanders
Because they tend to insert into the male getting raped ... and don't find that prospect upsetting.
Oliver Morales
Villainesses get to be sultry, sexy, seductive and a bunch of other S words purityfags read as "slut".
Also hatefucking is a powerful motivator, even in 2D.
Kayden Ramirez
She became 3d, that's the fate worse than death.
Jose Scott
For Othinus I fight the world.
Matthew Baker
you tell me, OP
Robert Cooper
>>The best villain is the one whose motivations are arguably much better than the heroes.
>>Who is more competent than the heroes.
>>And who then wins.
The Joker is none of those things. What you're describing is a villain losers and edgelords want to self insert as. That kind of villain is wish fulfillment bullshit for faggots.
A good villain, like any good character, has a strong desire for something, a believable set of motivations, a distinct personality, and reflects on the themes of the work. A villain specifically works best when their wants are diametrically opposed to the protagonist.
This is why The Joker tends to reference The Killing Joke, since it gave him a real motivation for his character: proving that anyone could turn into him if they had one bad day. Compare and contrast with Batman, whose PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAAD, which motivated him to become a superhero.
Wyatt Harris
because there are no real reasons to like female villains since there isnt a single good written one. might as well waifu one if they look good
Lincoln Hughes
can we have waifu science as a major in the future
Adrian Baker
>there isnt a single good written one
Watch more anime. Also: "well written".
Jason Carter
Hunter Brooks
>leaving out the stockings
INS ARBEITSLAGER MIT DIR!
Andrew Brown
>can we have waifu science as a major in the future
It already is. Not an academic one, but many of us have dedicated a large part of our research to it.
Alexander Clark
To be fair I fell in love with her as she was about to die.
Noah Ward
>everyone watching the show wants to have sex with a character
>someone in the show has sex with that character
>expecting people to feel bad for that someone
hmmm
Oliver Morgan
If they thought it would make enough money they would bring her back.
Stop acting like fictional stories need to stick to literally any rules of logic.
Evan Baker
>PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAAD
This isn't Yea Forums, we haven't all read the classics
spoiler that shit next time thanks
Leo Barnes
That's a double standard then since most girls are filthy sluts who want to get raped as well. Now how is that bullshit fair, huh?
Caleb Baker
When does this happen? Please give context. There is just something so sexy about that expression.
Landon Foster
>Now how is that bullshit fair, huh?
It isn't. We live in an outrage culture that's dominated by puritans. Deal with it. We all have to.
Eli Hernandez
FGO. She essentially became invincible aside one specific weakness, so when we bring a sword that can kill her, she removes her Authority that gave her the weakness. Problem is the retard also gave up her invincibility in the process, so we BTFO her and she starts crying that it didn't count and how she made just one measily mistake so it isn't fair!
She, the Goddess of Love and one of the Beasts, went from universe-tier threat to crybaby really fast
Ethan Sanders
Logan Thomas
What you said didn't make any sense is what I'm saying but you'd think the rational side of all this retarded nonsense would be able to counter these infectious overreactions.
Zachary Fisher
All the girls lacked depth for the most part, AgK was first intended to be a VN so every girl had their own route. Why the author chose Mein's route when changing to a manga instead of the titular Akame or some other girl, well who knows?
Ryder Brown
>the rational side of all this retarded nonsense
There is no rational side to extremism. As I've said, get used to it. There's nothing you can do.
Julian Bennett
Mine was always the heroine, Akame was just the titular girl because the original name he wanted for the manga was already taken.
Dylan Bell
>Why the author chose Mein's route when changing to a manga instead of the titular Akame or some other girl, well who knows?
Because she was a more interesting option than Akame. And one that's rarely the canonical option. That alone makes her a good choice. Chelsea being the other, safer one.
I wouldn't say that Esdese would have worked as well. She didn't really share any values with the MC and was extremely inhumane, which can maybe work in a dating-sim VN, but not in a manga.
Maz, however, was great. Too bad she was on the "wrong" side.
Benjamin Martinez
>Mine was always the heroine
She was literally just another harem member until she suddenly won.
Carson Butler
Local Goddess not so smug since being molested.
Jose Nelson
Akame's true love is dead anyways, and she's not moving on from him.
Jaxon Hughes
The thing is if it went through as a VN, the actions of the MC/Tatsumi would naturally have unlocked different routes through different actions. And again, it was supposed to be a VN to begin with. That's part of the joke when they had Esdeath and Tatsumi stranded.
I wasn't too attached to the series, so from my POV I could definitely see any girl winning just from a slight shift in the plot. Remember, in VN characters tend to not show everything about themselves or even develop their characters very differently depending on the choices the player makes, plus I don't think Esdeathfags ever really cared too much about making her a good girl, that's more like a side quest.
And given how even manga has tons of spin offs or other shit like how the Fate series has a bajillion manga spin offs on the different routes including starting up Prisma by itself, is it really impossible for AgK to have expanded beyond the Mein route? Probably not. The question was whether or not the author had the passion and creativity to pull it off, and the author most likely didn't wanna give anymore fucks at that point.
Sebastian Gray
Brayden Powell
Yeah. He's dead. But Poney lives. And that's all that matters.
Connor Roberts
Wasn't Akame supposed to be a lesbian?
Samuel Roberts
She is meatsexual.
Jace Morales
Not extremism but almost everyone being a melodramatic autist over silly shit should cause an uproar from the people who's fed up with it. If a nation overseas is getting fucked over because of these retards then a large amount of people need to step in and do something about this.
Adrian Morris
Why are evil girls always so smug?
Anthony Turner
Levi Ross
>and the author most likely didn't wanna give anymore fucks at that point
There wasn't one time he even gave half a fuck though.
Brandon Clark
There was never a harem. It was just Mine and Esdeath.
Lincoln Rivera
I felt he put a bit of effort into the drawings. It's nothing special but I wouldn't call it half assed.
Luke Jones
>It was just Mine and Esdeath.
And Esdese wasn't compatible with the MC, no matter what she thought. So, really, it was always ever mine (after Chelsea's death at least).
Angel Scott
>I felt he put a bit of effort into the drawings
The author never drew a single thing, user. I don't think he even can draw.
Jose Garcia
>tfw no Silicon Life GF
Liam Williams
Is the artist someone else? Then I guess you're correct.
Joshua Robinson
>Problem is the retard also gave up her invincibility in the process, so we BTFO her and she starts crying that it didn't count and how she made just one measily mistake so it isn't fair!
Did Type moon just make a reference to gilkeks?
Carson Perry
She's pretty similar.
Ryder Reyes
Being that the LN was written almost a decade ago and the author has made several conscious decisions (like, he's stated in interviews) not to bring Eugeo, Alice Zuberg, or Quinella back despite knowing that it would make him bank and personally wanting to, I think SAO relies less on "how much money" and more "author's convictions". He's made his money already.
Adam Torres
If OP villains don't act dumb and give unnecessary openings they just win.
David Brooks
Gil never says it's not fair retard
>>>/alter/
Brandon Evans
Dark sakura was ridiculously overpowered and Emiya defeated her by the power of his big fat cock. I bet she probably got wet when he unziped rule breaker
Brayden Walker
Read the post again
Joshua Morales
Gilfags don't say it's not fair either champ, it's the jetkeks falseflagging with wojaks.
Liam Watson
Aren't they some sort of super AI?
Colton Foster
>The best villain is the one whose motivations are arguably much better than the heroes.
>Who is more competent than the heroes.
>And who then wins.
A good villain can be defined very simply. He/it explores the extent of the evil or depravity of what the values being explored in the story are capable of. Most often those are the values the heroes champion. Anything else isn't intrinsically related to being a villain. If a character that's the villain has better motivations and is more competent then maybe he's a better character, but not necessarily a better villain. And winning or not definitely doesn't matter.
The reason why Ozymandias works as a villain for example is because he takes the role of the hero to the extreme and in seeking to preserve the peace he takes drastic measure. It works similar with anti-heroes like the Punisher, who take the vigilantism to an extreme, albeit not enough to sacrifice innocents at will like Ozy does. It's the most primitive basis of the villain, not merely an opposer but the one who explores the evil that represents the other other of the story's values. That doesn't necessarily mean it's directly relevant to the hero, which is why just plain evil villains work in the right story, often thematically heavy ones like religious text and legends.
Lucas Reyes
>The Joker
>a good villain
I don't know if I should laugh or tell you to take your retarded ass back to Yea Forums.
Aaron Thomas
>He/it explores the extent of the evil or depravity of what the values being explored in the story are capable of.
Honestly, I like it far better when the villain character can illustrate both sides: The best and the worst of a set of values that might or might not be the same as the hero's,
I like it even more when a villain character struggles with his own values and thus explores our notion of ethics and morality themselves.
Good villains are not always outright evil. They might even be a better person than the hero. But they should always be flawed: That's what makes them good characters, villain or not.
Henry Williams
Because they're fictional characters anyway and there's always headcanon
Jaxson Fisher
>there's always headcanon
You don't just "headcanon" your waifu, user. You love her just as she is, canonically, and don't try to change her one bit. What would even be the point in that? After all, you got to know her without any headcanon of yours, and that was enough for you to fall for her.
Mason James
She got hit by Trishula Shakti, which is a strong weapon in Indian lore
Justin Smith
They live in my heart
Nicholas Collins
She is Angry or whatever it's called, one without a body. She has taken on the body of a host, but her soul is still one without a body but has become a living concept. Her soul is one with the universe after receiving Shiva's flames that completely destroyed her body, and those flames still show up on her limbs.
James Ward
You use headcanon to alter her fate if she dies, and more importantly conjure up a reason she could ever love your pathetic ass
Jason Murphy
>You use headcanon to alter her fate if she dies
Don't do that, user. Dying is part of her. For my waifu, her death meant character growth, learning to get over her weaknesses the hard way. Learning to forgive herself. Her death was meaningful, and only through death did she grow beyond her doubts.
Of course, I do have my version of how I'd "save" her if I was in her story, how I'd keep her from fighting and still teach her to love herself.
But I didn't meet her in her story, we got to know each other "between dimensions", if you so will. And that means that she did die, that she did suffer and that I could do nothing against that. But it's okay, because she can never really die, because she won't suffer anymore now I'm there for her (even though she'll always suffer in the story).
>conjure up a reason she could ever love your pathetic ass
I don't need to do that either. She loves me because I'm as much a part of her personality as she is of mine. She is incredibly loving anyway, and she loves without condition - just like I love her. I give her what she needs, and she gives me what I need. That's just how it is. If it wasn't, she wouldn't be my waifu.
Julian Morales
Theres your fucking answer op
tl;dr its waifuism i aint got to explain shit
Its a mix between personal headcanon, objectification, deification, fault ignoring, putting on a pedestal, looking at and exaggerating positive traits with a pinch of aesthetic bias.
Jack Jones
Not even my final form
>Becomes the universe
Alexander Baker
>Why do people waifu villains if they know they're 90% of the times going to die?
Don't know. I just waifu villainesses because I have a huge femdom fetish. Esdeath is still one my fav waifus despite the anime and manga being complete trash.
Nathan Sullivan
Its a mix between [stuff].
If you need any of that to love your waifu, you don't really love her, user.
>one my fav waifus
And you don't even know what a "waifu" is ...
Daniel Wilson
everyone dies, user
William Price
>And you don't even know what a "waifu" is ...
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! YOU CANT HAVE MORE THAN ONE WAIFU! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
William Sullivan
Exactly. Seems you did get it after all!
Easton Turner
Gavin Howard
>can't be plural
Leo Thomas
Alexander Reyes
Colton Carter
Just watched this last week.
How much cocaine did the creators have to snort out of a catgirl’s gaping asshole to come up with “giant mecha fight aliens during the Cold War when people are still using IBM shitboxes for computers?
I thoroughly enjoyed whatever the fuck this show was.
Carson Brooks
Waifu villians make a bigger impression than every other girl in the short time they're with us. It's not always about who lives or dies user.
Blake Campbell
>If you need any of that to love your waifu, you don't really love her, user.
thats what love is you dolt
Jason Bell
It's the idea that you want to correct the wrongs that lead to them becoming an antagonist, and just support their lives so they never have to suffer again.
Isaac Green
>thats what love is you dolt
No, love is not:
>personal headcanon
but respect for who she actually is.
>objectification
but accepting her personhood and agency.
>deification
but seeing her humanity.
>fault ignoring
but loving her flaws just as much as her strengths. (And I do know a lot about that.)
>putting on a pedestal
but just treating her with dignity, respect and honest love.
>looking at and exaggerating positive traits
but seeing her traits just as they are and reognizing that they are what you fell in love with, that they don't need any exaggeration to be exactly what you want.
>a pinch of aesthetic bias
but looking at her without any bias and just being happy (or at least content) ith how the girl you love looks.
Jackson Ramirez
That's part of the appeal of the otome villainess genre, only (you) aren't doing the saving, but the girl who takes over the villainess' body.
Connor Wilson
Does she ever step on Shirou with her evil, naked feet?
Henry Bailey
Altair is a WINNER.
Ethan Ramirez
She's getting obliterated a second time by the power of Shiva, but this time as lightning instead of fire.
Hagoromo Gitsune had a neat kinda-sorta rehab in Nurarihyon, culminating in a hype team-up against the final boss. But people always liked her because her modern host body had a cool design, even though she was eating maiden hearts through their mouths onscreen a few hundred years ago.
Aiden Wood
>I do have my version of how I'd "save" her if I was in her story
>and she loves without condition
So basically your headcanon
Carson Gonzalez
>So basically your headcanon
No. I specifically wrote that that version is not relevant because it's not what actually happened. That's the thing: Of course I'm always going to wonder: "What if I'd been there? Could I have helped her and prevented her suffering?" But I can't change that - and in a way, everything ended up being alright in the end.
And she does love without condition. Not just me, but everyone. That's who she is. What's special between us is that I love her back, deeply, and that she can feel safe with me - something she rarely has, and never on that kind of deeply understanding level.
Hunter Bell
more mangas should use the ryona tag.
Jayden Bailey
You mean more manga should have ryona or more manga should be tagged "ryona" regardless of how much of it they have?
Caleb Perry
Bump, I guess!?
Aiden Young
any villains that managed to become heroines?
Gabriel Stewart
See:
In the latest iteration, at least.
Oliver Lopez
>villainess gets defeated
>becomes super yandere for hero
That's why Yuusha ga Shinda is based.
Carson Perez
Yandere is boring though. Has there ever been a reformed tsundere villainess?
Benjamin Anderson
Name ONE (1) time this has happened.
Grayson Nelson
/fgog/ calls it the Melt Treatment.
Josiah Sullivan
Shitlord harem manchild fantasy
Elijah Evans
Try reading the original Muv-Luv VN, you literally didn't even see the good part of the franchise.
Dylan Young
Though perhaps not in the way people hoped.
Jeremiah Nguyen
Arguably the S2 geahs too, now that I think about it.
Cameron Scott
It is simply the nature of man.
Austin Peterson
Spin-off never. Resurrection never.
At least she got a ton of cards thanks to the mobage.
Wyatt Thompson
sauce?
Jonathan Garcia
I lost too damn fast, thanks user
Julian Jackson
Well scientific discovery make an acceleration during war time
Jose Harris
You don't waifu or husbando someone for practical reasons but because you love them. I hate that most of the characters I had crushes on died but I can't change it. I won't fall for some boring MC sidekick or something just because I know they never die.
Wyatt Miller
>boring MC sidekick
Kill yourself you shit.
Logan Allen
How many anime have interesting MC friends? Most of them are retarded moe blobbs or the typical try hard male friends that are still way cooler than the shitty MCs but get fucked over all the time because they aren't the author's selfinsert.
Julian Ward
based morgana bro
Angel Torres
>boring perfectly perfect heroine.
Yurushia is canonically perfectly perfect but she isn't boring.
Tyler Turner
Isn't Kama in Sakura's body? If you kill her (him) do you kill Sakura?
Brody Morris
Why does she look like Kirei wife
Oliver Perry
How is Kyouko doing these days? Is she fully redeemed yet?
Brody Green
You can't fight love.
Grayson Lewis
gonna need a sauce my dudes
Jace Peterson
Remember her?
Camden James
whats the source of this, searching gives nothing
Leo Mitchell
This hag has rainbow hair
Caleb Adams
Because love hurts and life is misery.
Juan Gonzalez
>The PV for her event
30 seconds of pure kino
Luke Morgan
And yet you post the only bad thing out of it.
Joseph Nelson
>One day, I'll show you the world, I promise...
Daniel Butler
You can hardly call her a villainess when she died fighting the most villainous character of the franchise, can you?
She's a good girl.
Daniel Evans
Do you prefer your evil girls to be straight or lesbian?
Cameron Rodriguez
Jose Roberts
Because my taste for women is bad
Michael Ramirez
How many villainlovers are also ryonafags?
Bentley Perry
Wyatt Hughes
Why did they make the fanservice character so evil?
Camden Martin
I want to kiss her feet
Oliver Evans
>bedding the final boss
Brayden Cruz
I am. But guro and ryona only works in a very specific window for me: When I like the character enough to care about her, but not so much that her suffering is an instant turn-off.
If it's just the loss of a beautiful body and soul (Baroque-style vanitas), that turns me on, naturally. But if I literally mourn and cry for a character, I can't fap at the same time.
Ryona doesn't go well with waifuing someone. It won't work, unless you manage to separate, in your mind, the event and the visuals from the character you love.
Christian Jones
If by "waifuing female villains" you mean that I want to rape her until her mind breaks and she becomes a human toilet, then yeah, I waifu seryu a lot, with a love that crushes like a mace.
Connor Martin
It's from a discontinued manga called Nirvana. You won't find any information on it. It's allegedly licensed by Seven Seas, but I have never seen any evidence that anybody has actually read it in English.
Luis Garcia
wrong its the corruption and femdom
Anthony Walker
What the fuck? Cool fetish man.
Carson Adams
Yeah.
Is this a common association? I never put two and two together, but that describes my tastes pretty clearly.
Isaac White
Beatrix unironically did nothing wrong.
William Bell
Why is Melt so cool and sexy
Luke Thompson
How do you feel when the villain is canonically the most beautiful and uses her looks to troll men?
Andrew Diaz
Cameron Foster
>Ryona doesn't go well with waifuing someone
Absolutely incorrect.
Matthew Barnes
Did nothing wrong.
All she wanted was to achieve her husbando's dream to unite the world and defeat the BETA, but East Germany couldn't stop being a bunch of retarded commies for 5 seconds, so they had to become an example.
Lincoln Garcia
see
Jonathan Mitchell
How do you do it then? Enjoying to see your waifu suffer? That's not love, user.
Dominic Young
They literally asked for it.
Anthony Cruz
Maria can't possibly be considered a villain, she did nothing wrong.
Jackson Reed
It's a special kind passion that exceeds all but love.
Camden Perry
What is suppose to be implied to have happened in this image?
Noah Campbell
What would a villain mother be like?
David Stewart
>>People suck the vns dick
>>Check it out
>>Find out the only girl I would actually like dies
No thank you.
Jordan Taylor
I am, but I want the villainess to inflict ryona on the MCs.
Jeremiah Evans
So you want femdom?
Kayden Collins
Isaac Robinson
Yes, this is great. Also pretty good if the MC is female
Colton Sanchez
god i wish that was me
Isaac Smith
System Call: Remove Core Protection
Colton Nelson
Hero eventually beats her up then disintegrates her.
Angel Russell
lame
Zachary Lee
Goddamn. And she was trashing him there
Jackson Johnson
It's hot
Jayden James
She was the second cutest in her show.
Elijah Edwards
SEQUEL WHEN AAAAAAA
Lincoln Cruz
Cute
Jackson Adams
Yes
Dylan Harris
So ... any favourite very minor (MotD) villainesses?
Tyler Smith
Yes
Robert Cook
Ah, I remember her. She was cute.
Too bad Saint Seiya had a severe lack of female villains (and characters in general). Well, at least some of the male ones were cute.
Jonathan Gomez
Wrong. Kama is actually demiservant with Sakuras body in a way similar to Ishar and Rin (Dark sakura to be exact).
Josiah Hernandez
Connor Parker
Ah, PeroPero. Cute, but among the lemures, I prefer Ponko-chan.
Benjamin Gutierrez
Melty or whatever from Shield hero.
Anthony Cooper
I wish she'd been in a non-plot episode, would probably have had more screentime then.
Owen Evans
Not necessarily. There were MotD in plot-relevant episodes who got massive amounts of screentime (Oniwabandana comes to mind, and deservedly so, pic related).
And there were some in "filler episodes" (hate that word) that hardly had any screentime at all. Like Toge Toge Jou. Or most cardians (remember that one we only saw getting destroyed at the start of the episode?).
Jaxson Allen
Such a lame death.
Jordan Miller
I wish I can read her LN somewhere
Isaac Gutierrez
Yeah, ryona and gore. Inflicted on females specifically, I hate femdom
Lucas Robinson
I do wonder why the "good guys" in Dragon Ball never wish minor villains (of the not so bad after all variety) back to life. That's definitely what I would do.
Angel Walker
Cause they're evil, duh.
Anthony Ramirez
Are evil girls getting into manly fistfights with heroes something you want to see more or less of?
Eli Anderson
Austin Stewart
Mason King
I definitely would have wanted to see more of this eild girl and this fistfight in particular. What a shame to offscreen it. G. Sakakibara was hot. Best girl of that manga. Still hoping that she somehow survived and will be brought back.
Brandon Campbell
Jose Watson
And here's a colored image of her.
Girls who can take punches are pretty hot.
Lucas Mitchell
>Melty
Who comes up with these names?
Joshua Flores
Her name is actually Malty (and has the adventure name Myne, and is later renamed to Bitch). Melty is her little sister.
Nathan Murphy
Evil is sexy
Dylan Martinez
Is it a rule that villainess fanservice will always beat out heroine fanservice?
Anthony Davis
...
Jayden Rodriguez
This. The appeal is dominating her to the point where you could kill her, neutralizing her, and making her indebted and subservient. It's more lopsided in your favor than if she were submissive to begin with.
Dominic Evans
Sometimes the villaness did nothing wrong. So you just want to protect and take her home.
Nathaniel Ramirez
>Sometimes the villaness did nothing wrong.
If she did nothing wrong, then what's the point? The great thing is loving a flawed girl despite her flaws. Accepting her flaws.
Ethan Baker
Wish she was canonical.
Ryan Baker
Villainous? He dispensed nothing but pure justice. Eyesight is the real victim.
Brandon Campbell
everyone dies, Villains are down with the 14 more
David Perez
>Eyesight is the real victim.
Eyesight died to innocent gluttony.
Do-S died to pride and wrath, to pure evil.
Jace Wood
I liked how the beast trio's armors combined later on. Shiva was scarier but Akaranarta was a more hype boss fight.
Chase Carter
Trio's anime design is kind of a let down to her original design. Guess it was too sexy.
Jackson Gutierrez
Maybe, but I think it was more that they needed someone to bear the additional parts of the combination armor like the wings and tiara. Shame on the lower details though.
But what is it with these transforming armor shows and always having faggot men as the main cast?
Colton Wright
The few girls they get are usually incredible if they're villains tho.
Levi Williams
Circumstances.
Jace Ross
Seeing the villainess die a painful death is half the appeal, especially if they do so while trying to redeem themselves.
Connor Ward
Which DB manga? Reverse image search gives nothing.
Nolan Hughes
The pride and wrath was justified. Eyesight didn't even last long.
Austin Fisher
>The pride and wrath was justified.
Yes. But you can't deny he's pure evil.
Cooper Gutierrez
He's not really evil. He just has a twisted sense of justice. Which is justified since most of the time monsters are always cashing shit even more so than the human criminals. He just has a pretty Genos meeting Saitama mentality.
Adam Gomez
>a twisted sense of justice.
>Which is justified
Contradiction right there. Anyway, stop trying to derail this thread: It's about villainesses, not male villains pretending to be "heroes".
Brody Nelson
Nevermind, found it.
hentaiporns.net
John Rodriguez
Poor girl.
Jeremiah Roberts
Pleb reason: Patrician reason:
Jeremiah Phillips
I agree.
The villainess corrupting the hero or the villainess just having her way with the hero is by far my biggest fetish.
Sadly there is hardly anything out there that satisfies one or the other.
Truly I exist just to suffer.
Jordan Walker
Girly Airforce will all die though
Jace Phillips
fate: the one with the trap
Thomas Cooper
The suffering will not end until the bitter ugly otaku is eradicated.
Nicholas Garcia
Y'know, I see this guy posted a lot in these threads, but I have no idea who this guy is.
Who is he and what has he done?
Eli Taylor
judging from the file name, he's a doujin artist who made a ton of rape and guro stuff